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[Jackl87]

Ferrari were still dealing with serious problems even though they were faster than Red Bull today. Sainz got rid of a disaster by getting out of his car in time. Leclerc was nearly DNF too if there were at least a few more laps to go. The team must solve their issues as quick as possible. We are in the middle of the season but they still haven't learned their lesson. Otherwise being the champions will stay as a dream for them. These problems will most probably cause Leclerc to end the season without being the champion as well.

Well i don't think it is that easy. I think they definitely know that they really need to improve their reliability of the whole car but especially of the power unit in order to have a chance to fight for the drivers championship and also for the constructors championship, but this is pretty hard to do. I am not a mechanical engineer but i would guess that it is way harder to fix reliability issue with your engine then to just try out new aerodynamic parts. First of all you have to find the cause of the problems which is already pretty complicated because a f1 engine is consists of so many parts and then you have to find a way to fix that problem. Ferrari is doing their best but it is a difficult task.

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Ferrari were still dealing with serious problems even though they were faster than Red Bull today. Sainz got rid of a disaster by getting out of his car in time. Leclerc was nearly DNF too if there were at least a few more laps to go. The team must solve their issues as quick as possible. We are in the middle of the season but they still haven't learned their lesson. Otherwise being the champions will stay as a dream for them. These problems will most probably cause Leclerc to end the season without being the champion as well.

Well i don't think it is that easy. I think they definitely know that they really need to improve their reliability of the whole car but especially of the power unit in order to have a chance to fight for the drivers championship and also for the constructors championship, but this is pretty hard to do. I am not a mechanical engineer but i would guess that it is way harder to fix reliability issue with your engine then to just try out new aerodynamic parts. First of all you have to find the cause of the problems which is already pretty complicated because a f1 engine is consists of so many parts and then you have to find a way to fix that problem. Ferrari is doing their best but it is a difficult task.

If I remember correctly they suffered from the same problem some years ago with Vettel when they had the fastest car but they lost the Championship to Mercedes because of reliability problems and for the bad luck of Vettel also because of him getting out of track by pushing the car beyond limits.The same is doing Leclerc and hence it was lucky he won because we were in such a short track that the race time was way below two hours.

We are going to France now and in this track if you have engine or pedal problems most probably you cannot end up winning the race like it happened in Austria.What I think is the design error of Ferrari is that they are trying to squeeze as much as possible speed from the engine and by doing so overlooking other parts which we saw cause problems like the Baku race.

[Koal-84]

Honda “has to change way of thinking” to end MotoGP slump
Honda team boss Alberto Puig says the marque must “change our way of thinking” to end the current MotoGP slump it is enduring.

It's very sad for the Honda team in MotoGP at this time because Honda themselves have changed the shape of their bike in 2022 in order to increase traction at the rear, but are experiencing problems at the front and it has tortured their riders overall by not being able to reach very good results or just achieve results beyond the expectations of Honda.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/honda-change-way-thinking-slump/10337023/

That's correct Honda itself needs to change the mindset, it's been fine for years building a bike that's only tailored to one rider and virtually no one else can handle it. Honda has to take itself by the nose, Marc is and will eventually not reach the fitness to steer and control the bike as he did before the accident. But Honda has a lot of work to do.

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Tsunoda got an ultimatum.
He has no more possible errors in his line.

The boss of Alpha Tauri chose the hard way, if Tsunoda will keep making mistakes during the season, he will be out from the team.


I think he is right, so far he has shown almost nothing for deserving a spot in F1.

[Davian144]

That's correct Honda itself needs to change the mindset, it's been fine for years building a bike that's only tailored to one rider and virtually no one else can handle it. Honda has to take itself by the nose, Marc is and will eventually not reach the fitness to steer and control the bike as he did before the accident. But Honda has a lot of work to do.

It is now very clear that there is a lot of work to be done and changed by Honda so that Honda needs a lot of time to change this and hopefully it will be better next season.
Because for this season it is no longer possible to change it and after all, every change must also follow the regulatory rules from Dorna so that any manufacturer can only do personal tests for now and in the future the number of tests will also be limited by Dorna.

[Fakhrulenclix]

That's correct Honda itself needs to change the mindset, it's been fine for years building a bike that's only tailored to one rider and virtually no one else can handle it. Honda has to take itself by the nose, Marc is and will eventually not reach the fitness to steer and control the bike as he did before the accident. But Honda has a lot of work to do.

It is now very clear that there is a lot of work to be done and changed by Honda so that Honda needs a lot of time to change this and hopefully it will be better next season.
Because for this season it is no longer possible to change it and after all, every change must also follow the regulatory rules from Dorna so that any manufacturer can only do personal tests for now and in the future the number of tests will also be limited by Dorna.

The Honda team's dependence on Marc has now become a big loss for them after Marc could not make a big contribution again after suffering a serious injury, and it is likely that in the future Marc will also be the same because it is difficult for a rider to be able to return to his best form after a serious injury. even i say it is not possible.
but to replace someone who has been prioritized for a long time is very difficult it takes time for the team to recruit new drivers and adjust accordingly. but I have no doubt that the Honda team will be able to bounce back in the next few years, I believe in what the team is doing.

[wmaurik]

There's great news for @marcmarquez93 fans that @marcmarquez93 the 8-time World Champion is recovering well and we can't wait to see him back in the paddock when he's ready. Source: motogp

And on the motorsport.com website it is also explained that Marc Marquez has started the next stage of recovery from arm surgery and will start physiotherapy and cardio training, his Honda MotoGP team announced. The following is a confirmation and explanation from the doctor who handled @marcmarquez93

“In the medical examination carried out on Marc Marquez, six weeks after surgery on his right humerus, a good clinical and radiological evolution was confirmed which allowed progress in the program to restore mobility and strength of the right arm. The patient will undergo a new examination in the next six weeks,” said Dr Sanchez Sotelo.

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There's great news for @marcmarquez93 fans that @marcmarquez93 the 8-time World Champion is recovering well and we can't wait to see him back in the paddock when he's ready. Source: motogp

And on the motorsport.com website it is also explained that Marc Marquez has started the next stage of recovery from arm surgery and will start physiotherapy and cardio training, his Honda MotoGP team announced. The following is a confirmation and explanation from the doctor who handled @marcmarquez93

“In the medical examination carried out on Marc Marquez, six weeks after surgery on his right humerus, a good clinical and radiological evolution was confirmed which allowed progress in the program to restore mobility and strength of the right arm. The patient will undergo a new examination in the next six weeks,” said Dr Sanchez Sotelo.

It would be very nice to see him back in racing.I have said it before,the MotoGP without big names is really not so entertaining anymore and Marquez is one of the last big names remaining active in racing,he will only bring back the lost hopes of Honda and although I doubt he will win races as soon as he come back,I am sure that he will win races.That is needed to give some boost to MotoGP which has for the moment no exceptional riders this season and that is why many people have lost interest in following MotoGP,when Rossi,Lorenzo and Marquez were racing,the races were of another level.

[tokeweed]

Tsunoda got an ultimatum.
He has no more possible errors in his line.

The boss of Alpha Tauri chose the hard way, if Tsunoda will keep making mistakes during the season, he will be out from the team.


I think he is right, so far he has shown almost nothing for deserving a spot in F1.

Yeah well the were words swirling around that one of the bigger reasons why Alpha Tauri, which is really Red Bull's sister team, is because of the deal they had with Honda before.  Now that Red Bull is taking over the whole power unit operation and starting a partnership with other engine manifacturers, they don't have an obligation to keep him after his contract expires.  And it looks like they're planning to even get rid of him before it expires.  Lol. 

I wonder who Tsunoda's replacement is gonna be.  Any talented Vettel - Verstappen type in Red Bull's junior team on the rise?

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There's great news for @marcmarquez93 fans that @marcmarquez93 the 8-time World Champion is recovering well and we can't wait to see him back in the paddock when he's ready. Source:

Can be only propaganda.
We already got similar news back on days, even after the 1st surgery and we already know how it went.

Moto GP is losing viewers so they need to generate hype.

(in the other hands F1 is gaining views)

[Bitinity]

There's great news for @marcmarquez93 fans that @marcmarquez93 the 8-time World Champion is recovering well and we can't wait to see him back in the paddock when he's ready. Source:

Can be only propaganda.
We already got similar news back on days, even after the 1st surgery and we already know how it went.

Moto GP is losing viewers so they need to generate hype.

(in the other hands F1 is gaining views)

I'm thinking the same, MotoGP is losing a lot of viewers since the retirement of VR46 and it will be losing more if Marc93 cant continue his career because of his physical condition. It can be true that he is recovering well but I dont think he will come back soon. As a motoGP lover, it is obvious that I want to see Marc make a come back as soon as possible to make the competition become more attractive. I think Marc should not force himself to come back as soon as possible, it is better if he can fully recovered so he will be in his best condition once he come back to the race.

[jostorres]

Tsunoda got an ultimatum.
He has no more possible errors in his line.

The boss of Alpha Tauri chose the hard way, if Tsunoda will keep making mistakes during the season, he will be out from the team.


I think he is right, so far he has shown almost nothing for deserving a spot in F1.

Yeah well the were words swirling around that one of the bigger reasons why Alpha Tauri, which is really Red Bull's sister team, is because of the deal they had with Honda before.  Now that Red Bull is taking over the whole power unit operation and starting a partnership with other engine manifacturers, they don't have an obligation to keep him after his contract expires.  And it looks like they're planning to even get rid of him before it expires.  Lol. 

I wonder who Tsunoda's replacement is gonna be.  Any talented Vettel - Verstappen type in Red Bull's junior team on the rise?

They had Vips but he said some racist stuff during a twitch gaming session and he is basically out for the time being. Plus, I know it's not like "that" much better, but Haas has Mick, and Red Bull really wants him. So, the offer could be "get the spot from Tsunoda for the remainder of the season, and then get the place of Perez next season if you show any improvement with a new and better car"?

This would have made a lot of sense last year when Alpha Tauri was "that" much better, but as we all know, Haas is not doing that bad this year, if you look at the standings they are literally above AT right now, hence it wouldn't make sense for Mick to move for the time being.

[swogerino]

Tsunoda got an ultimatum.
He has no more possible errors in his line.

The boss of Alpha Tauri chose the hard way, if Tsunoda will keep making mistakes during the season, he will be out from the team.


I think he is right, so far he has shown almost nothing for deserving a spot in F1.

Yeah well the were words swirling around that one of the bigger reasons why Alpha Tauri, which is really Red Bull's sister team, is because of the deal they had with Honda before.  Now that Red Bull is taking over the whole power unit operation and starting a partnership with other engine manifacturers, they don't have an obligation to keep him after his contract expires.  And it looks like they're planning to even get rid of him before it expires.  Lol. 

I wonder who Tsunoda's replacement is gonna be.  Any talented Vettel - Verstappen type in Red Bull's junior team on the rise?

They had Vips but he said some racist stuff during a twitch gaming session and he is basically out for the time being. Plus, I know it's not like "that" much better, but Haas has Mick, and Red Bull really wants him. So, the offer could be "get the spot from Tsunoda for the remainder of the season, and then get the place of Perez next season if you show any improvement with a new and better car"?

This would have made a lot of sense last year when Alpha Tauri was "that" much better, but as we all know, Haas is not doing that bad this year, if you look at the standings they are literally above AT right now, hence it wouldn't make sense for Mick to move for the time being.

That is a lot of "conspiracy" going on in the F1 world that most fans are not aware of.It does not make any sense for Mick to move to Alpha Tauri who this year has failed miserably to achieve the same result that they used to get in the last season.At Haas the new Ferrari power unit was excellent as it gave Haas and Mick the possibility to go on in fights that they could not even dream before getting this unit.I think Ferrari has not yet stopped with this year car development and first they try the new packages for any reliability problems in the Haas team which uses a Ferrari engine.It would be stupid for Mick to move from such team to Alpha Tauri which is clearly struggling this season despite them blaming the fault on Tsunoda (not that Tsunoda is a good driver).

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The big loser this year seems to really be Mercedes. They have not won a single race so far and they are happy every time Lewis is on the podium. The chance of winning the world championship is even smaller than small. This year it will mainly be trying to make the car drive as well as possible and then with full luggage to next season. I thought Max would definitely win the title, but in 2 races Leclerc seems to have come pretty close again.

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The big loser this year seems to really be Mercedes. They have not won a single race so far and they are happy every time Lewis is on the podium. The chance of winning the world championship is even smaller than small. This year it will mainly be trying to make the car drive as well as possible and then with full luggage to next season. I thought Max would definitely win the title, but in 2 races Leclerc seems to have come pretty close again.

Actually, Mercedes is now recovering and they are very competitive.

With this car they can win some races during the season when Max or Leclerc will have problems/penalties, they are already ahead sometimes, especially in qualify.

[püsür]

As happy as I was when Leclerc won, I was just as upset when Sainz's engine exploded on lap 57 when he was so fast. If the race was 75-76 laps in Leclerc, it would seem like it would have gone towards the DNF. Ferrari gives no confidence. Though, Leclerc really races like a champion. This is the biggest difference with Sainz. If Sainz continues like this, he will be doomed to become the 2nd pilot. As Tifosi, I must say that Max is still a better pilot than Leclerc, but I think Leclerc will catch up in a year or two. I also think that if Leclerc had been in Redbull, he would have won many more races as a team, Redbull is way above Ferrari.

[tokeweed]

Tsunoda got an ultimatum.
He has no more possible errors in his line.

The boss of Alpha Tauri chose the hard way, if Tsunoda will keep making mistakes during the season, he will be out from the team.


I think he is right, so far he has shown almost nothing for deserving a spot in F1.

Yeah well the were words swirling around that one of the bigger reasons why Alpha Tauri, which is really Red Bull's sister team, is because of the deal they had with Honda before.  Now that Red Bull is taking over the whole power unit operation and starting a partnership with other engine manifacturers, they don't have an obligation to keep him after his contract expires.  And it looks like they're planning to even get rid of him before it expires.  Lol. 

I wonder who Tsunoda's replacement is gonna be.  Any talented Vettel - Verstappen type in Red Bull's junior team on the rise?

They had Vips but he said some racist stuff during a twitch gaming session and he is basically out for the time being. Plus, I know it's not like "that" much better, but Haas has Mick, and Red Bull really wants him. So, the offer could be "get the spot from Tsunoda for the remainder of the season, and then get the place of Perez next season if you show any improvement with a new and better car"?

This would have made a lot of sense last year when Alpha Tauri was "that" much better, but as we all know, Haas is not doing that bad this year, if you look at the standings they are literally above AT right now, hence it wouldn't make sense for Mick to move for the time being.

Yeah I heard about that...  And I saw the Twitch video that he was in when he said the 'n word'.  It was totally not said in a way to offend black people.  It was just said in a way how black people say it.  He was playing his game and was like 'c'mon n***a'.  That's it. 

And Mick Schmacher to Red Bull?  Who said?  I don't think it's even a possibility since he's a Ferrari academy driver.  He could get a Ferrari drive within 5 years.

[Luzin]

Can be only propaganda.
We already got similar news back on days, even after the 1st surgery and we already know how it went.

Moto GP is losing viewers so they need to generate hype.

(in the other hands F1 is gaining views)

It is possible, nowadays, many media are smart to make news with interesting titles but very contrary to the content. So at this time we have to read the whole article so as not to misunderstand. Indeed a few weeks ago I saw the news that he had removed his arm support aid. Even Marquez was already on vacation.
Of course it would be a surprise if he came back soon. But if you look at the injuries I think it still takes some work to come back. Overcrowding will make marquez's body even more damaged. If the Honda impose then it's the same they're destroying Marquez's career.

[Velvet78]

It is time for the French GP this weekend. It is a track that Lewis Hamilton dominated in the last two races. Mercedes are getting stronger now as well but they still need time to reach the level of Red Bull and Ferrari both. Hamilton must just get very lucky to be able to win again. Unless there is any surprise I expect a rivalry between Verstappen and Leclerc as usual. Verstappen would like to have his revenge after the Austria GP. On the other hand Leclerc would do his best to keep winning. I think he will win as well.

[Davian144]

The Honda team's dependence on Marc has now become a big loss for them after Marc could not make a big contribution again after suffering a serious injury, and it is likely that in the future Marc will also be the same because it is difficult for a rider to be able to return to his best form after a serious injury. even i say it is not possible.
but to replace someone who has been prioritized for a long time is very difficult it takes time for the team to recruit new drivers and adjust accordingly. but I have no doubt that the Honda team will be able to bounce back in the next few years, I believe in what the team is doing.

That's why the Honda team has started to change its thinking towards dependence on a Marc, because Marc also needs special training for himself so that he can become more fit while understanding the character of the existing bike and also the character of the new bike next year because next year the Honda team will also will make changes to their bikes in order to get good performance.