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[ILuckyGuyI]

It seemed to be a boring race first but I really started to enjoy the race after one point. The start was really unlucky for Sainz. He was hit by Russell from the left side of his car and he couldn't continue racing after entering pit. It was a big hit to Ferrari at the beginning already as well. But Leclerc still did a good job I think. Of course Tifosis would have liked to see him getting past Hamilton also at least but Hamilton was faster than him in this race.

When it comes to Hamilton this was really like the race that he was the closest to a win. Red Bull's terrible pit gave a chance to Hamilton to take the win. But Hamilton was just the victim of having a slower car and he was overtaken by Verstappen at one point. They were on limits about penalties too. Both of them got their last warnings after this overtake and a possible mistake would have cost big for Verstappen especially. But he completed the race cleanly and brought the constructors' championship to his team. 

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[jaberwock]

It seemed to be a boring race first but I really started to enjoy the race after one point. The start was really unlucky for Sainz. He was hit by Russell from the left side of his car and he couldn't continue racing after entering pit. It was a big hit to Ferrari at the beginning already as well. But Leclerc still did a good job I think. Of course Tifosis would have liked to see him getting past Hamilton also at least but Hamilton was faster than him in this race.

When it comes to Hamilton this was really like the race that he was the closest to a win. Red Bull's terrible pit gave a chance to Hamilton to take the win. But Hamilton was just the victim of having a slower car and he was overtaken by Verstappen at one point. They were on limits about penalties too. Both of them got their last warnings after this overtake and a possible mistake would have cost big for Verstappen especially. But he completed the race cleanly and brought the constructors' championship to his team. 

I believe that Sainz could have been a podium one if he didn't got hit. Vettel was another one that I felt so sorry for, dude was at the front when he got in, and was like 13th or something when he got out, all because of bad pit he had, he could have been fighting for a podium too. Hamilton wasn't just in a slower car, but he was also in hard tires versus Max being on medium tires, which creates a good amount of difference, plus add Max being crazy and nearly crashing just to underbreak and take the lead, and it's really hard to keep him at bay. It was a good race to watch, definitely plenty of things to watch and see which was what viewers wanted to begin with.

[LTU_btc]

That shows that FIA management does not give a slight f*ck about the rules and they interpret everything as they see fit dictated by I don't know which benefit.The Haas has the right to protest but by getting points for doing such things shows how small of a team they are.

Most probably this decision with pass on without much fuss as the Championship is already set and no team is really interested to know on which motivation such decision was taken,well except Haas maybe.

Well, Haas protest is kinda understandable. In past stewards several times told for Magnussen tha he have to make pit stop because his car is damaged. So, new Haas is salty and looking for consistency in stewards decisions. And offcourse, for Haas every points matters now, they're fighting with Alpha Tauri for 8th place.
I wouldn't call it small team mentality. We have seen big teams like Ferrari or Red Bull reporting their rival to stewards.

[Republikcoin.com]

Following the excitement of the Malaysian MotoGP yesterday, where Francesco Bagnaia and Fabio Quartararo shared the podium at Sepang in close quarters. Francesco Bagnaia and Fabio Quartararo are finally ready to face the real final at the Valencia MotoGP and will compete for the 2022 MotoGP title.

My prediction is that Valencia will be a difficult race for Fabio Quartararo, because there are two sectors of the Valencia circuit that can be utilized by all Ducati riders, especially young riders who are still hungry for victory like Marco Bezzecchi who during yesterday's race in Malaysia had beaten Marc Marquez. This makes Fabio Quartararo have to fight even harder because he is the only one at Yamaha who is able to perform well and this is clearly different from the riders at Ducati who on average can perform better than Fabio Di Giannantonio.

Bagnaia is undoubtedly in a better position heading into the final draw on November 6 in Valencia with 258 points. However, Quartararo who collects 235 points cannot be underestimated because he will fight hard to defend the world title he won last year.

What I admire from Fabio Quartararo is that he is able to bring the notoriously weak Yamaha motorcycle to compete with Ducati, which is clearly known to be fast in almost all MotoGP circuits. This shows that Fabio Quartararo has a talent that is different from other riders, because if a rider like Francesco Bagnaia can win the world with a strong bike like Ducati, plus more input from his teachers Valentino Rossi and Casey Stoner while in Australia. I think it's only natural for Francesco Bagnaia to be world champion this year because Francesco Bagnaia already has more support to become world champion than Fabio Quartararo who is fighting alone.

[swogerino]

That shows that FIA management does not give a slight f*ck about the rules and they interpret everything as they see fit dictated by I don't know which benefit.The Haas has the right to protest but by getting points for doing such things shows how small of a team they are.

Most probably this decision with pass on without much fuss as the Championship is already set and no team is really interested to know on which motivation such decision was taken,well except Haas maybe.

Well, Haas protest is kinda understandable. In past stewards several times told for Magnussen tha he have to make pit stop because his car is damaged. So, new Haas is salty and looking for consistency in stewards decisions. And offcourse, for Haas every points matters now, they're fighting with Alpha Tauri for 8th place.
I wouldn't call it small team mentality. We have seen big teams like Ferrari or Red Bull reporting their rival to stewards.

However when Redbull and Ferrari have reported their rivals I rarely remember anything done by the stewards,in 99.99% of the cases they let the race run while only in the race of this weekend they decided to give a penalty after the race because Haas which by the way is a US team asked for such sanctioning,this says a lot about the full scale level of corruption in the FIA nowadays and they do not care much about the sport unfortunately.

Anyway this is just an incident with teams not fighting for the title as I am sure FIA would have done nothing if this happened between 1st and 2nd driver fighting for victory.

[tokeweed]

Here are the results for completeness' sake.  I didn't watch the race tbh.  Lol.  Felt like Ferrari could win it as Verstappen could be on a mental holiday but no...  He's still into it and wants to win the rest of the races.    Greedy mother fker.

2022 F1 United States GP Race Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   56 Laps
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 5.023s
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 7.501s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   + 8.293s
5   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 44.815s
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 53.785s
7   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 65.354s
8   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   + 65.834s
9   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    + 70.919s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 72.875s
11   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   + 75.057s
12   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 76.164s
13   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 81.763s
14   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   + 84.490s
15   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 85.078s
16   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 90.487s
17   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   + 1:03.588s
    Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   DNF
    Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   DNF
    Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   DNF

Mexican GP this weekend guys.  Perez prolly gets the win here?

2022 F1 Mexican GP Schedule

Friday 28 October   Practice 1   13:00-14:00
Friday 28 October   Practice 2   16:00-17:30
Saturday 29 October   Practice 3   12:00-13:00
Saturday 29 October   Qualifying   15:00-16:00
Sunday 30 October   Race   20:00  14:00

[Juggy777]

Here are the results for completeness' sake.  I didn't watch the race tbh.  Lol.  Felt like Ferrari could win it as Verstappen could be on a mental holiday but no...  He's still into it and wants to win the rest of the races.    Greedy mother fker.

2022 F1 United States GP Race Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   56 Laps
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 5.023s
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 7.501s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   + 8.293s
5   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 44.815s
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 53.785s
7   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 65.354s
8   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   + 65.834s
9   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    + 70.919s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 72.875s
11   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   + 75.057s
12   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 76.164s
13   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 81.763s
14   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   + 84.490s
15   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 85.078s
16   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 90.487s
17   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   + 1:03.588s
    Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   DNF
    Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   DNF
    Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   DNF

Mexican GP this weekend guys.  Perez prolly gets the win here?

2022 F1 Mexican GP Schedule

Friday 28 October   Practice 1   13:00-14:00
Friday 28 October   Practice 2   16:00-17:30
Saturday 29 October   Practice 3   12:00-13:00
Saturday 29 October   Qualifying   15:00-16:00
Sunday 30 October   Race   20:00  14:00

@tokeweed even I’m kinda surprised that Max won, and it seems that he’s yet hungry to win more races and further it’s clear that he won’t let his opponent’s win even a single race. Furthermore I expect Max to once again be competitive, and besides him I feel that Hamilton can win the Mexican GP and Ferrari as usual will be happy to just race and won’t win this race too.

[blue Snow]

My prediction is that Valencia will be a difficult race for Fabio Quartararo, because there are two sectors of the Valencia circuit that can be utilized by all Ducati riders, especially young riders who are still hungry for victory like Marco Bezzecchi who during yesterday's race in Malaysia had beaten Marc Marquez. This makes Fabio Quartararo have to fight even harder because he is the only one at Yamaha who is able to perform well and this is clearly different from the riders at Ducati who on average can perform better than Fabio Di Giannantonio.

It's not the main factor I think because Quartararo must be riding hard to be no.1 on Valencia which I think like mission impossible to champion for this year. he is so burdened, while Bagnaia, just doesn't need to crash to be the champions, Bagnaia only needs to finish at 13th, whatever the result even Quartararo on 1st. So, I have no doubt Ducati, especially Bagnaia been a champion since in Sepang.

[Koal-84]

After the points were awarded to Alonso because of an appeal from Haas, which I find ridiculous because of the mirror and the resulting penalty. A funny photo found on the internet after the crash at the last Grand Prix.



So the safety way for Alonso 🤣🤣

[wmaurik]

Yamaha has revealed two of its weaknesses in this 2022 season. Lin Jarvis as Managing Director of Yamaha MotoGP said about this to Speedweek.com that they really paid attention to a number of strengths and weaknesses in the Yamaha YZR-M1 for this year so that Yamaha itself has also brought in top technician (Luca) Marmorini (electronic system engineer who has worked for the Toyota F1 and Scuderia Ferrari teams).

And on the other hand Lin Jarvis also explained that the cause of the large performance gap between the Yamaha YZR-M1 and the Ducati Desmosedici GP22 in this MotoGP season was because Yamaha did not have enough time and energy to make better aerodynamics, so they are currently doing a series of tests in wind tunnels in Europe and claims to be making progress. Source: motorsport.com

[ILuckyGuyI]

Mexican GP this weekend guys.  Perez prolly gets the win here?

It wouldn't be easy for Perez to get the win here.

Verstappen is the latest winner in this Grand Prix and Perez completed that race as the 3rd. Hamilton was right between them and Mercedes were having their good days. But now things are a little more different. Perez has an advantage as Red Bull is much faster than them now. But on the other hand the last race wasn't very good for Perez. He finished it behind Leclerc and Hamilton both. Besides even Verstappen is still racing very ambitiously despite announcing his title. In the circumstances, it is quite difficult for Perez to get the win here. But he can at least be on the podium.

[swogerino]

Mexican GP this weekend guys.  Perez prolly gets the win here?

It wouldn't be easy for Perez to get the win here.

Verstappen is the latest winner in this Grand Prix and Perez completed that race as the 3rd. Hamilton was right between them and Mercedes were having their good days. But now things are a little more different. Perez has an advantage as Red Bull is much faster than them now. But on the other hand the last race wasn't very good for Perez. He finished it behind Leclerc and Hamilton both. Besides even Verstappen is still racing very ambitiously despite announcing his title. In the circumstances, it is quite difficult for Perez to get the win here. But he can at least be on the podium.

Mexican GP is another beautiful track that we are going to enjoy during night again for us Europeans I mean.I agree that chances of Perez are extremely low and that Verstappen has not any intention to help his friend gets the second place while all he is concerned right now is getting at least one victory from the remaining races to get his name in the history of F1 as the only man with 14 wins during a single season,he is now equally sharing 13 wins with Schumi and Vettel.

Based on this I doubt Perez will get any help in his home GP,he is all on his own.He needs to find the courage to drive ambitiously like Verstappen does,I have seen Perez lose the concentration from many races now and I doubt his home GP will be any different.

[Koal-84]

Yamaha has revealed two of its weaknesses in this 2022 season. Lin Jarvis as Managing Director of Yamaha MotoGP said about this to Speedweek.com that they really paid attention to a number of strengths and weaknesses in the Yamaha YZR-M1 for this year so that Yamaha itself has also brought in top technician (Luca) Marmorini (electronic system engineer who has worked for the Toyota F1 and Scuderia Ferrari teams).

And on the other hand Lin Jarvis also explained that the cause of the large performance gap between the Yamaha YZR-M1 and the Ducati Desmosedici GP22 in this MotoGP season was because Yamaha did not have enough time and energy to make better aerodynamics, so they are currently doing a series of tests in wind tunnels in Europe and claims to be making progress. Source: motorsport.com

So the Yamaha has been very weak for a few years now and by stopping the engine development Yamaha was even more handicapped, the engine is the weakest in the whole field and everybody knows that, I think it's cheap to talk about aerodynamics. Just because Fabio can ride over 100%, but not over the whole season, all Yamaha riders except Fabio are at the bottom of the field. So there is very little excuse for Yamaha they just slept a lot and rested on one rider's form, seems familiar from Honda....

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The GP of China 2023 can be deleted again for their strict rules against COVID.

While the world basically opened everything they are still pretty close.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/gp-cina-cancellazione-calendario-2023-638344.html

[Republikcoin.com]

It's not the main factor I think because Quartararo must be riding hard to be no.1 on Valencia which I think like mission impossible to champion for this year. he is so burdened, while Bagnaia, just doesn't need to crash to be the champions, Bagnaia only needs to finish at 13th, whatever the result even Quartararo on 1st. So, I have no doubt Ducati, especially Bagnaia been a champion since in Sepang.

I'm saying something a little different from what you think, because what you're saying is what everyone is thinking right now, including myself. And one more thing is, Bagnaia doesn't need to finish in 13th place if she wants to become world champion this season, but it is enough to finish 14th to become world champion even though Quartararo finished first. Because when the number of points is the same, then the leader of the standings will still be the world champion, especially in terms of the number of wins this season is also more on Bagnaia's side.

But in this case I just want to say about the competition that Quartararo has so far provided with the weakest bike on the MotoGP grid. If Quartararo hadn't crashed in Assen, Aragon, Australia and had failed to score one point in Thailand during a wet race, then the story would have been a little different even though Bagnaia would have also become world champion this season. But the competition will be much fiercer and it won't look easy for either of them, because this season no rider from another manufacturer can compete until the end like Bagnaia and Quartararo did.

[swogerino]

The GP of China 2023 can be deleted again for their strict rules against COVID.

While the world basically opened everything they are still pretty close.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/gp-cina-cancellazione-calendario-2023-638344.html

It is their decision,we as F1 fans do not care much and especially us in Europe because we have to wake up really early on a Sunday to follow the races in Asia.We have a lot of other tracks and I am especially looking forward to what I predict to be the best race ever of F1,the Las Vegas GP of 2023 in the capital of gambling of the world.

There are a lot of other countries who are eager to continue and be a part of FIA,as far as I heard even Albania is building a track called "Automotopark" based on standards of FIA and built with their collaboration.Of course it is in an early stages but this to show that even not very well developed countries would love to be part of the racing calendar.

[tokeweed]

Here are the results for completeness' sake.  I didn't watch the race tbh.  Lol.  Felt like Ferrari could win it as Verstappen could be on a mental holiday but no...  He's still into it and wants to win the rest of the races.    Greedy mother fker.

2022 F1 United States GP Race Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   56 Laps
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 5.023s
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   + 7.501s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   + 8.293s
5   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 44.815s
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 53.785s
7   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 65.354s
8   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   + 65.834s
9   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    + 70.919s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 72.875s
11   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   + 75.057s
12   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 76.164s
13   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 81.763s
14   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   + 84.490s
15   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 85.078s
16   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 90.487s
17   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   + 1:03.588s
    Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   DNF
    Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   DNF
    Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   DNF

Mexican GP this weekend guys.  Perez prolly gets the win here?

2022 F1 Mexican GP Schedule

Friday 28 October   Practice 1   13:00-14:00
Friday 28 October   Practice 2   16:00-17:30
Saturday 29 October   Practice 3   12:00-13:00
Saturday 29 October   Qualifying   15:00-16:00
Sunday 30 October   Race   20:00  14:00

@tokeweed even I’m kinda surprised that Max won, and it seems that he’s yet hungry to win more races and further it’s clear that he won’t let his opponent’s win even a single race. Furthermore I expect Max to once again be competitive, and besides him I feel that Hamilton can win the Mexican GP and Ferrari as usual will be happy to just race and won’t win this race too.

I wouldn't exactly say 'surprised' as Red Bull has one of the best drivers currently in F1 and still has the car on the grid.  It was more like a situational bet.  You get a scenario that Verstappen's opponents should've taken advantage of.  Especially Ferrari.  But due to Sainz's DNF and Leclerc moving down to 12 on the grid, how could they?  It's prolly just not meant to be.

Anyway how many more races?  Mexico, Brazil and back to the middle east?  I want it to be the next season please...  Lol.  There's nothing to anticipate in this one.

[wmaurik]

So the Yamaha has been very weak for a few years now and by stopping the engine development Yamaha was even more handicapped, the engine is the weakest in the whole field and everybody knows that, I think it's cheap to talk about aerodynamics. Just because Fabio can ride over 100%, but not over the whole season, all Yamaha riders except Fabio are at the bottom of the field. So there is very little excuse for Yamaha they just slept a lot and rested on one rider's form, seems familiar from Honda....

The most unique thing I've seen at Yamaha is that they were able to win the world championship last season even though the bike still looks weak and even weaker compared to other manufacturers' bikes. I was surprised by Ducati, which after 2007 looked so difficult to get a world champion, even though they (Ducati) already have a powerful engine, good traction, and also good acceleration in MotoGP. And if this year Ducati managed to bring its rider to become a World champion, then this is the second time for Ducati to get a World champion for their rider after the first in 2007 for Casey Stoner.

[coinlocket$]

Alfa Romeo will leave the Sauber in F1 in 2024.
Sauber will have Audi in 2026.

Alfa wants to stay in F1.

Not clear what will happen to Sauber in 2024 and 2025 before the deal with AUDI.

[RealMalatesta]

I wouldn't exactly say 'surprised' as Red Bull has one of the best drivers currently in F1 and still has the car on the grid.  It was more like a situational bet.  You get a scenario that Verstappen's opponents should've taken advantage of.  Especially Ferrari.  But due to Sainz's DNF and Leclerc moving down to 12 on the grid, how could they?  It's prolly just not meant to be.

Anyway how many more races?  Mexico, Brazil and back to the middle east?  I want it to be the next season please...  Lol.  There's nothing to anticipate in this one.

Three more, maxico, brazil, abu dhabi and thats it then we are off to the new season. It’s going to be quite boring however to wait for next season and this new regulations and new car is not even there yet, the 2026 regulation changes will give us the big big change, it is going to be insane, both new cars that we have now and everyone works on the car (the chasis, the wings, the sidepods etc etc) but then in 2026 we are going to get HUGE technical changes to the engine and the works.

I am not worried about this year or next year, but I really cannot wait for that 2026, we are going to apparently have Audi as well who I assume will be last for first year, but that year will be the most epic in a long time, EVERYONE will be starting fresh, and we can see a race where aston martin and williams winning and mercedes/ferrari/redbull being at the bottom and losing. To be fair it will probably not be like that, but it could definitely see huge changes in the order.