Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[sana54210]

I guess racing isn't all gambling. Ferrari and Red Bull are by far the best, and on a normal day there is no one who can come close to either team. Hamilton doesn't stand a chance either. That LeClerc or Verstappen will become world champion is 99.9%. And if that doesn't happen, then it's Perez or Sainz. I'm more curious with a view to next season what will happen to Mercedes and what Hamilton will do. Does it still want to drive this way if you're just filling? In the current state he is going to become world champion, and I don't see any significant changes taking place for the time being.

It is sort of gambling in any case. I mean Man City beats lower level teams at all times and yet you still gamble on that game right? People mainly gamble on City and that is what matters. For example, if you had a brand new amazing F1 car, and then like some beetle from 60's, that would still be a wager, it's still gambling because even though we most likely know the result, we are not going to end up with 100% result until it's over.

What if f1 car gets issues and stops? Then the beetle would win. This is how you end up wagering on anything outside of Ferrari or red bull. For example I like to gamble on Aston Martin or Williams getting a point, that really is a big wager .

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[Velvet78]

Leclerc got a really nice pole position by deserving it all the way. If Verstappen didn't mess up in the final moments then maybe he could have got it. I expect a really tough rivalry between them in the race tomorrow. Leclerc is still my favourite for this race but it is all about tactics in the end. I don't trust Ferrari completely about this and I hope that they don't mess it up. They did a good job in the Austria GP actually and I will be expecting to see the same again.

[tokeweed]

There it is...  Another throttle pedal issue for Leclerc according to the radio.  You can really feel his pain.  He doesn't deserve this.



More memes from Formula Dank.

[ingiltere]

Had an another mechanical issue and Leclerc got spinned and got out of the race while he was in a comfortable first position. What a bad luck for him. Meanwhile Sainz climbed from last place to fourth, just passed Russell now. But he got a 5 second time penalty from dangerous pit exit.
Lewis Hamilton is going good in his 300th race. He has a really good chance to see another podium.

[tokeweed]

The Ferrari pit wall is a joke.  I mean seriously...



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[coinlocket$]

Solid race from Sainz and a dumb mistake from Lecler, today Max probably won the title.


About the pit stop, was for safety.

In other words, if they didn't make a pitstop and the tires exploded what would you have said?

[swogerino]

Solid race from Sainz and a dumb mistake from Lecler, today Max probably won the title.


About the pit stop, was for safety.

In other words, if they didn't make a pitstop and the tires exploded what would you have said?

I agree with Ferrari this time,they did the best choice for Sainz,sure he would have been second as he would have passed also Hamilton with the pace he had but I am sure he would have had a puncture if he kept racing at that pace or if he would not get the pace the tire would degrade surely in the last 10 laps and everybody else would have surpassed him again.So Ferrari did for once the right call with Sainz,they even got the fastest lap of the race.

Leclerc made the mistake exactly where he needed the most not to do it,now Verstappen 62 points ahead and when Leclerc loses Verstappen extend the gap with minimum of 15-25 points,when Verstappen loses Leclerc closes the distance by just 6-12 points and this says a lot for the title fight.I agree that in 10 races is almost impossible to close the gap by 62 points unless bad things happen to Verstappen.

[coinlocket$]

I agree with Ferrari this time,they did the best choice for Sainz,sure he would have been second as he would have passed also Hamilton with the pace he had but I am sure he would have had a puncture if he kept racing at that pace or if he would not get the pace the tire would degrade surely in the last 10 laps and everybody else would have surpassed him again.So Ferrari did for once the right call with Sainz,they even got the fastest lap of the race.

Leclerc made the mistake exactly where he needed the most not to do it,now Verstappen 62 points ahead and when Leclerc loses Verstappen extend the gap with minimum of 15-25 points,when Verstappen loses Leclerc closes the distance by just 6-12 points and this says a lot for the title fight.I agree that in 10 races is almost impossible to close the gap by 62 points unless bad things happen to Verstappen.

Ferrari may have the most performant car right now but Max is more solid at the moment.

Keep also in mind Max is already in his 8th year in F1, even if he is so young he is still experienced, the rookie Max was the more exciting driver but too reckless.


Another advantage in the second part of the season,  Ferrari already got a penalty so they have some free parts for the cars, while if Redbull will need more they will take a penalty.

[swogerino]

I agree with Ferrari this time,they did the best choice for Sainz,sure he would have been second as he would have passed also Hamilton with the pace he had but I am sure he would have had a puncture if he kept racing at that pace or if he would not get the pace the tire would degrade surely in the last 10 laps and everybody else would have surpassed him again.So Ferrari did for once the right call with Sainz,they even got the fastest lap of the race.

Leclerc made the mistake exactly where he needed the most not to do it,now Verstappen 62 points ahead and when Leclerc loses Verstappen extend the gap with minimum of 15-25 points,when Verstappen loses Leclerc closes the distance by just 6-12 points and this says a lot for the title fight.I agree that in 10 races is almost impossible to close the gap by 62 points unless bad things happen to Verstappen.

Ferrari may have the most performant car right now but Max is more solid at the moment.

Keep also in mind Max is already in his 8th year in F1, even if he is so young he is still experienced, the rookie Max was the more exciting driver but too reckless.


Another advantage in the second part of the season,  Ferrari already got a penalty so they have some free parts for the cars, while if Redbull will need more they will take a penalty.

I agree that Ferrari has the most performing car but only in tracks like this one where a lot of turns makes up the track.I am pretty sure that Ferrari will struggle at tracks like Monza despite them showing today that brilliant 344 Km/h from Carlos Sainz.Redbull has a better top speed in the race so far and it would be nice for this to change in the upcoming remaining tracks except Hungary which we know it is a low speed track,this would give Ferrari equal ability to fight for the title although it looks really difficult after today race.

A penalty may result decisive for the title fight but only if the gap is closed.

[coinlocket$]

The penalties are cumulative.

The 1st time you unlock a new engine it is 10 position penalty but the second time it is only five.

I don't know what will happen after and why the second time is a small punishment.

[Zackgeno96]

Verstappen has achieved a very important victory. I thought Leclerc seemed to have very good chances of winning at first, but when he crashed it was all over. Not only does Verstappen now have a lot of points again, but because Leclerc does not have a single point, Verstappen is quite out. Verstappen took another big step towards the championship today. At Mercedes they were also very happy I think.

[LTU_btc]

Seems that Ferrari is biggest enemy for themselves. Something always should go wrong for them. Either their strategy fails, either it's reliability issues or driver mistake like this time. And inviting Sainz to pit when is literally fighting for postion - c'mon seriously? Then mistake for unsafe release... I'm not going to question his 2nd pit stop, maybe Ferrari decided better safe than sorry.
Russel complaining about Perez when it was fault of Russel that Checo left track. Offcourse, Perez wasn't better when in final laps he was complaining about Russel leaving track. But that when Russel caught Perez not ready for the end of VSC was nice.
And for me moment of race was Stroll telling to team to leave him alone in Raikkonen's voice

[emrecemsan]

Ferrari are really such a failure this season. They are still unable to solve the problems of their car and they are still making bad decisions in the race. Leclerc stated that he made a mistake in that turn maybe but he couldn't come back to the race because of a throttle issue. This issue repeated itself after the same happened in the Austria GP. I really don't understand how Ferrari can be this much bad when they actually have the best car in the grid. Now the gap between Leclerc and Verstappen is way open like 63 points.

[püsür]

Ferrari forces drivers to make mistakes; They make so many mistakes during the season that the pilot has to deal with more pressure than he should and the result is frustration. We saw it in Alonso, we saw it in Massada, we saw it in Vettel and the new victim is Leclerc. To be successful at Ferrari, you have to be reckless and maverick like Kimi. I think it is the most inexplicable event in f1 history that Alonso and Vettel did not become champions in Ferrari. By the way leclerc is a fine driver but is it enough to be a champion?? There is speed, there is defense and he can control the race by himself, so the problem is not caused by him. Also, seb and alonso made mistakes many times, but there is no team to cover up the mistakes.

[FanEagle]

This was a smart decision for a single driver, but not as a team. Basically what Ferrari achieved was getting the pole position and if Leclerc doesn't start very well on this race, they will be left behind and they would not get something great result, it's a whole race and anything could happen, getting that pole is a big deal but not the whole thing, on the other hand we have seen Red Bull not reply in kind, and didn't do any tow, but they got 2-3 and that's good enough, it means that they will get a better total as a team. Which one is more important?

I wouldn't know, I guess that Max is ahead enough that he could finish second and would be fine as long as Perez finishes third because Sainz is nowhere to be found.

[Captain Corporate]

Honestly, mercedes did have a double podium, BUT that was mainly because ferrari was out. Charles was out proper, but Sainz nearly got the podium but he had to serve his penalty and thats why his race result was purely gone, this is why I am not shocked about the mercedes podium. We all said that it was obvious from the get go that mercedes was the third best team, and thats not shocking result, hence why I believe that we shouldn't really believe that we couldn't really claim anything shocking with a podium for them when ferrari is out. They could have even finished first, eventually will, when all other options are having trouble.

[1kodumtek7]

It was another disappointing race for Ferrari. Leclerc crashed into the wall after losing the control of the car and couldn't return to the race after that. Throttle was his biggest enemy once again. If he was able to return then maybe the race would have ended much different. Verstappen was too comfortable after this incident and won the race easily. Now there is a huge gap of 63 points between them. The time is running out slowly for Leclerc to catch up with Verstappen. From now on he really needs to be very lucky.

[Koal-84]

After the good teamwork in qualifying that brought Leclerc pole position, he not only shits away the race but probably also the world championship due to a stupid mistake. 63 points are now a lot and Leclerc could even be overtaken by Perez.

Reminds me a little of Vettel at Hockenheim.

[swogerino]

After the good teamwork in qualifying that brought Leclerc pole position, he not only shits away the race but probably also the world championship due to a stupid mistake. 63 points are now a lot and Leclerc could even be overtaken by Perez. 

I completely agree that Leclerc cannot hold pressure very well as we have seen that in Imola and at yesterday race in France.Most likely it was a costly mistake but Ferrari looked yesterday like the most performing car compared to Redbull and Mercedes so there is still some little hope left.

As for Perez he was sleeping yesterday during the whole race,he was not with his mind and not at all concentrated in the race,he was even passed like a complete noob/rookie from George Russell.By such performance I wonder why he should continue to have a place at Redbull.

[püsür]

The Italians, yes, may have created a world brand in vehicle construction and aesthetics, but a team that brings such a big brand down in human management and team management does not really suit. If you're racing with a Ferrari car, you can't make people ask 'oh boy.. what will happen this time', it's very clear!! When the driver is good, the car is bad. When the car is good, the driver is bad. But the worst part comes from the team captain. They say to lecrec, who makes 20 laps, take more laps and open the distance. He tells Sainz, who has done 20 laps, to pit quickly.