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[swogerino]

Checo Perez won the GP but again both RBR cheated today.

Perez is under investigation while Max got no investigation at all.

Yeah, Perez has been under investigation due to safety car infringement. But I don't know if he'd get a time penalty that is big enough for Leclerc to take the lead. I still don't see any update about the investigation though so let's see what will happen. Whatever result we have from that, I believe that Perez deserved the win from the beginning to the end.

Leclerc must be angry with himself now because he wasted a huge opportunity after getting so close to Perez to overtake him thanks to DRS as well. Leclerc had a big problem on controlling the car at one point and he shouldn't have made that mistake in a critical moment. This was another race he started in pole position but gave up the lead after.

I also think that Perez deserved the win and the teams both of Ferrari and Redbull gave their drivers the orders,Ferrari said keep the lead less than 5 seconds while Redbull told Perez to make the gap more than 5 seconds because he is under investigation for Safety Infringement.Honestly the Safety Car was really driving slow and sure in the heat of the race every driver can get mad,the Safety Car needed to go faster especially in a track where the tires needed to stay in temperature because of the wet tarmac.

Leclerc did not waste a huge opportunity,it was the track that didn't let him win despite the DRS,if the same situation was on another track Leclerc would have won.

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Usually I don't expect interesting race in Singapore, but today it wasn't bad and it was worth waiting extra 1 hour for it's start. Well deserved win for Perez, great start and he managed to keep Leclerc behind when he was very close. After received 5 second penalty for safety car infringement, but he had enough gap from Leclerc to remain 1st.
Ferrari have 2 drivers on podium, but that's probably case when they're not happy about result. Crazy razy for Vertappen, so many things happened for him today. It looked that he will finnish where he started - 8th, but on last lap he managed to overtake Vettel.
Good race for both Mclaren drivers, such rare thing this season. Also, Aston Martin went up by 2 places in constructors championship after Stroll and Vettel delivered points.
And anotherdace in office for GOATifi - he literally pushed Zhou to the wall and his excuse was epic - Latifi said that he didn't saw Zhou. He got 5 place penalty in next race for this accident

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Finally no Verstappen as the winner. But guess what, another Red Bull as the winner. I don't think it matters much for the final standings and statistics either, Leclerc might have liked to win this race but his car is just not good enough yet. Leclerc is certainly not a worse rider than Perez. I think Verstappen is simply the best driver. Strange that Hamilton has been invisible all season. He still has motivation, but Mercedes will have to give him another car. I don't see a switch to another team happening anytime soon, but then things will have to be different next season of course.

[LGD2Business]

I think the checks regarding the problems during the race should have been done quickly and announced before the podium. He could have been penalized 2 times by 5 seconds but those checks were delayed and he was penalized only by one. This didn't affect the result either. I knew they couldn't give a penalty that would change the ranking after they made the podium.

As a result, we watched a race that was not very enjoyable, on a track that was not very enjoyable. RBR won again. Verstappen had to wait another week to declare his title.
In fact, it seems like the season is over. With Verstappen opening such a point gap, the excitement of Formula 1 has decreased significantly. I wish we could have watched a more competitive season.

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2 hours for deciding the punishment of Perez and they give him 5 seconds, basically, they give him no penalty since he had 7 seconds of advantage.

We already know what will happen this weekend with the punishment for RBR and the salary Cap.



Spoiler: Nothing.

[swogerino]

2 hours for deciding the punishment of Perez and they give him 5 seconds, basically, they give him no penalty since he had 7 seconds of advantage.

We already know what will happen this weekend with the punishment for RBR and the salary Cap.



Spoiler: Nothing.

Even if they punish the Redbull now it does not make any sense because for this year they have already won everything,it was Verstappen that screw up his race today as normally he could have also finished in the podium so it does not make sense.Everybody now should be focusing on next season like most of the teams are already doing.I never expect FIA to give a punishment to Redbull especially every time I recall the last lap of last season which they changed something like letting other lapped cars pass or something like that and at that time it was the title at stake,now there is nothing as the titles have been already decided.

[emrecemsan]

It was nice to see a different driver winning a race finally after a long time. Because Verstappen won the previous five races which started to make things boring for us. Perez had a wonderful race and he completely deserved the win by his high effort. He raced under the same conditions with Leclerc in the end so Leclerc should have been more concentrated on his race after catching up with Perez so much. He was the victim of his own mistakes I believe.

Everyone was waiting for Perez's penalty to be announced. There was an expectation of 10-sec penalty however they decided upon an only 5-sec penalty which was enough for Perez to retain his victory. I hope that this punishment is exactly the same in the rule book also. Otherwise it's a big disrespect to the rest of the drivers. We've already witnessed a huge mistake at the end of last season so FIA shouldn't have the luxury of acting however they'd like anymore.

[Koal-84]

A very important day for Bagnaia yesterday and also very good that there is no stable order at Ducati. A bad day for Fabio, the lead is now gone, and Aleix has also made up points.

Aleix is also only 20 points behind Fabio, so there is still a lot of room for improvement, very good for the fans and there are still 3 races to go, so a maximum of 75 points is still possible.

[ILuckyGuyI]

This race was the biggest opportunity for Leclerc to win. He was very close to taking the lead after DRS was active finally after a long time passed. But Leclerc started to have a serious problem on keeping the car stable and lost a lot of time in the meantime. After Perez was ordered by the team to push more he opened a huge gap in a short time. Even the time penalty didn't save Leclerc from finishing in the second place.

Perez has been really impressive in street races this season. After winning in Monaco GP this is another win in a street race. Maybe things would have been way different if it didn't rain heavily but I'm not underestimating his win by saying this of course. They all raced under the same conditions in the end.

[swogerino]

This race was the biggest opportunity for Leclerc to win. He was very close to taking the lead after DRS was active finally after a long time passed. But Leclerc started to have a serious problem on keeping the car stable and lost a lot of time in the meantime. After Perez was ordered by the team to push more he opened a huge gap in a short time. Even the time penalty didn't save Leclerc from finishing in the second place.

Perez has been really impressive in street races this season. After winning in Monaco GP this is another win in a street race. Maybe things would have been way different if it didn't rain heavily but I'm not underestimating his win by saying this of course. They all raced under the same conditions in the end.

In this track is very difficult to overtake despite using or not DRS,we saw that even drivers like Verstappen and Hamilton,world Champions made errors here,one hit the wall,the other raged all the way to pass a McLaren and got completely out of track so it was not Leclerc fault,he did his best,the only fault he has is that he consumed the tires so much that Perez easily created a gap of more than 5 seconds which was needed for him to secure the win.Perez is also known as the "minister of defense" so it is much more difficult to overtake him in tracks like this one.

[Davian144]

A very important day for Bagnaia yesterday and also very good that there is no stable order at Ducati. A bad day for Fabio, the lead is now gone, and Aleix has also made up points.

Aleix is also only 20 points behind Fabio, so there is still a lot of room for improvement, very good for the fans and there are still 3 races to go, so a maximum of 75 points is still possible.

In the three remaining races of the season, it looks like it will be quite difficult for Fabio Quartararo because considering the Phillip Island, Sepang and Ricardo Tormo Valencia circuits as the last ones are circuits that are not difficult for Bagnaia and Aleix Espargaro if the conditions are not rainy or dry conditions. So Fabio Quartararo needs to work hard during qualifying to get a good position on the starting grid so that he can be more flexible when starting the race.

[püsür]

Checo Perez won the GP but again both RBR cheated today.

Perez is under investigation while Max got no investigation at all.

Yeah, Perez has been under investigation due to safety car infringement. But I don't know if he'd get a time penalty that is big enough for Leclerc to take the lead. I still don't see any update about the investigation though so let's see what will happen. Whatever result we have from that, I believe that Perez deserved the win from the beginning to the end.

Leclerc must be angry with himself now because he wasted a huge opportunity after getting so close to Perez to overtake him thanks to DRS as well. Leclerc had a big problem on controlling the car at one point and he shouldn't have made that mistake in a critical moment. This was another race he started in pole position but gave up the lead after.

Red Bull's influence on Fia and the decisions is starting to bother me a bit. They are even more influential than mercedes and ferrari in political matters. This is really successful for the team, but they have been damaging the general understanding of justice for the last 2 years. And yes, as someone who likes Alonso and doesn't like Hamilton, my opinion is that they stole the championship from Hamilton last season. The best of the day are Perez, Aston Martin and Mclaren. Others were very bad. Especially verstappen and hamilton were extremely bad. Hamilton drove like amateurs. In my opinion, it was the most unpleasant race of recent years. The race stopped too much. It was arguably Mercedes' worst race in the 2022 season. Both Russell and Hamilton had a lousy weekend. But if there is a clean race in Japan next week, I expect a double podium.

[lixer]

This race was the biggest opportunity for Leclerc to win. He was very close to taking the lead after DRS was active finally after a long time passed. But Leclerc started to have a serious problem on keeping the car stable and lost a lot of time in the meantime. After Perez was ordered by the team to push more he opened a huge gap in a short time. Even the time penalty didn't save Leclerc from finishing in the second place.

Perez has been really impressive in street races this season. After winning in Monaco GP this is another win in a street race. Maybe things would have been way different if it didn't rain heavily but I'm not underestimating his win by saying this of course. They all raced under the same conditions in the end.

There is a reason why Perez got the nickname "minister of defense of Mexico", dude knows how to defend incredibly well, just look at last year's last race, he managed to keep Hamilton behind him for so long wit basically dead tires versus Hamiltons fresh tires and better car, Max couldn't even reach Hamilton whereas Perez kept him behind him. Sure, it's hard for him to race faster and over take others that easily, he is not good there, but when it comes to defending, he is just insanely good at it.

This is why it is understandable for Charles to fail as well, he tried, but Perez defended again, and Charles just gave up after a while not to crash his car.

[tokeweed]

This race was the biggest opportunity for Leclerc to win. He was very close to taking the lead after DRS was active finally after a long time passed. But Leclerc started to have a serious problem on keeping the car stable and lost a lot of time in the meantime. After Perez was ordered by the team to push more he opened a huge gap in a short time. Even the time penalty didn't save Leclerc from finishing in the second place.

Perez has been really impressive in street races this season. After winning in Monaco GP this is another win in a street race. Maybe things would have been way different if it didn't rain heavily but I'm not underestimating his win by saying this of course. They all raced under the same conditions in the end.

Yup but the Red Bulls are just fast in the straights.  Newey out did himself with these cars with the new specs.  Binnoto too.  He also built a great car from scratch but prolly needs more tweaks and development under the new specs to out do Red Bull.  Maybe next year...  Hopefully.  It would really be boring if Red Bull dominates next season.  Which I think there's a high possibility they might. 

And for the Singapore GP, for a race with lots of incidents it was kinda boring.

[Davian144]

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A new record has been set in MotoGP this season (2022) where there have been 10 riders who have earned the Pole position so far and this has never been before so what happened this season is the latest record for MotoGp. Will there be another rider who gets the Pole position in the remaining three races of the season? Let's see and wait together because MotoGP in this season is not long.

[swogerino]

A very important day for Bagnaia yesterday and also very good that there is no stable order at Ducati. A bad day for Fabio, the lead is now gone, and Aleix has also made up points.

Aleix is also only 20 points behind Fabio, so there is still a lot of room for improvement, very good for the fans and there are still 3 races to go, so a maximum of 75 points is still possible.

In the three remaining races of the season, it looks like it will be quite difficult for Fabio Quartararo because considering the Phillip Island, Sepang and Ricardo Tormo Valencia circuits as the last ones are circuits that are not difficult for Bagnaia and Aleix Espargaro if the conditions are not rainy or dry conditions. So Fabio Quartararo needs to work hard during qualifying to get a good position on the starting grid so that he can be more flexible when starting the race.

At least here different from F1 the last three races will be intense regarding emotions and I am sure they will have a lot of them.I would love to see rainy conditions in these last races as that would make those races even more interesting.A championship which looked like it was destined to go to Fabio Quartararo is now in the middle of a crossroad,we don't know who will win and he is not the main favorite anymore.For me Bagnaia is the main favorite to win the title based on the recent results from the last races but even the third guy can be a Champion if accidents happen to the first two trying to fight their way to win races.

[Koal-84]

In the three remaining races of the season, it looks like it will be quite difficult for Fabio Quartararo because considering the Phillip Island, Sepang and Ricardo Tormo Valencia circuits as the last ones are circuits that are not difficult for Bagnaia and Aleix Espargaro if the conditions are not rainy or dry conditions. So Fabio Quartararo needs to work hard during qualifying to get a good position on the starting grid so that he can be more flexible when starting the race.

The momentum is definitely on Bagnaia's side for the last 3 races, it's going to be very very difficult for Fabio, here you can see Bagnaia's form curve.



Bagnaia has dropped out a lot this season, otherwise it probably wouldn't have been so exciting at the end, but I would be happy for him and Ducati if they could make it this year. Aleix's consistency is also impressive...

[boltz]

It seems the Abu Dhabi scandal is back on trending and to be fair , I don't think we will see the result this year as that 2 weeks window seems like a joke. You don't have time to study and analyze everything that happened before Abu Dhabi but also on that track so yea ...the result might be delay for next year but we should have a final decision once and for all for 2021 F1 season.

[swogerino]

It seems the Abu Dhabi scandal is back on trending and to be fair , I don't think we will see the result this year as that 2 weeks window seems like a joke. You don't have time to study and analyze everything that happened before Abu Dhabi but also on that track so yea ...the result might be delay for next year but we should have a final decision once and for all for 2021 F1 season.

I doubt the decision will be ever changed.Maybe people are thinking just because Verstappen is winning the 2022 title the FIA can remove the 2021 title but then it would create an ever bigger scandal than the one we already know about which up to now seems closed.

I don't think that FIA is going to reverse the 2021 Abu Dhabi decision despite the huge controversies found there and for me it would not make sense to reverse the decision of a 2021 race in the year 2022 no matter that the race we talk is the last one of 2021 season.They would create a lot more drama and this is the least needed now that we are ending the season.

[jostorres]

It seems the Abu Dhabi scandal is back on trending and to be fair , I don't think we will see the result this year as that 2 weeks window seems like a joke. You don't have time to study and analyze everything that happened before Abu Dhabi but also on that track so yea ...the result might be delay for next year but we should have a final decision once and for all for 2021 F1 season.

I am not saying that it is "impossible" for it to change, it could very well change if there is any financial non-regulaties found. But, let's be honest with each other and realize that changing the championship of last year, after nearly a whole year passed, is not going to be likely for F1 at all.

We are going to see them maybe get a penalty for the future, and that way they would be getting like a lesser cost cap for 2023 season or something, but it's not going to be taking away the championship for sure. At the end of the day it's not a simple thing, and it costs so much to run a business, adding Honda engine addition to them, it's not going to be easy.