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[Koal-84]

Assen has always been a good track for Yamaha, I think it depends on the start, is Fabio in front and can pull through his program and set the pace, Bagnaia comes under pressure and like the last race again crash. That would then be the final world championship fight out for Bagnaia. When driving behind and overtake the Yamaha is not so strong.

Yamaha is very compatible with the Assen circuit, yes that's true and in terms of speed, Yamaha is inferior to Ducati but Yamaha's acceleration and braking are far superior, at the Assen circuit there are not many straight tracks which therefore there is no advantage that Bagnaia can take with his Ducati bike. .
and last season Fabio Quartararo was able to win the Assen MotoGP, and it is not impossible that he will also reap the same success this season.

Exactly Yamaha is very competitive in Assen, but if Yamaha rides behind the Ducati it will still be very difficult for Fabio to overtake, there Fabio must be very late on the brakes to be able to overtake Ducati, but we'll see since Aleix and Aprilia is also to be reckoned with.

In Formula 1 may soon be announced the entry of Porsche (RedBull) and Audi (possibly Sauber), it is only waiting for the new engine Reglemant.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-einstieg-porsche-audi-motor-reglement-2026/

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Mistake fromm Fabio, sorry before him and Aleix, so i Hope Bagnaia one, that's good for the world championship. So it remains exciting after the summer break.

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[Luzin]

From the start I wasn't sure about Quartararo and it happened. Quartararo fell, he seemed to have pushed his way through the inside a bit. He looks like he wants to get into second place. Not only once after changing the bike he fell again in the same place. Only then did he stop dropping out of the race.
Here are the results of the 1-10 races in the Netherlands.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/gp-results/2022/NED/MotoGP/RAC/Classification

[FanEagle]

The fact that Ferrari changed their engine before Silverstone shows that they are really meaning business this race and winning there is a big win, that's not an ordinary race, winning Silverstone is special for all drivers, just like monaco and few other places which are special for F1 to race. In the end, even with a new engine, if they do some silly pitstop mistakes that they will not end up with a win and they will lose out even with a better car, so they need to be careful.

I do not remember many times Red Bull pit wall made any mistakes, their strategies are always impeccable, maybe a few mistakes in history that I can't remember but they rarely ever do, and in order to beat them, you need to be perfect like that too.

[Zackgeno96]

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

[Pulsar77]

We are going to have another Grand Prix in Silverstone next weekend and I'm getting more excited day by day. This time Hamilton's chance to win the race seems very low unfortunately. Mercedes are newly recovering and the latest change in the regulation would take some time for Mercedes to start being able to compete with the biggest teams in the grid now. As long as we don't see big surprises in this race it isn't happening this time for sure. For the victory, I'm favouring Leclerc despite having problems lately.

[swogerino]

The fact that Ferrari changed their engine before Silverstone shows that they are really meaning business this race and winning there is a big win, that's not an ordinary race, winning Silverstone is special for all drivers, just like monaco and few other places which are special for F1 to race. In the end, even with a new engine, if they do some silly pitstop mistakes that they will not end up with a win and they will lose out even with a better car, so they need to be careful.

I do not remember many times Red Bull pit wall made any mistakes, their strategies are always impeccable, maybe a few mistakes in history that I can't remember but they rarely ever do, and in order to beat them, you need to be perfect like that too.

Ferrari needs to make the most out of these races which the tracks are mixed one between fast and slow corners making Silverstone a medium speed track and extremely technical,after that there is Hungary and Austria which are also not the fastest tracks out there.They need to be perfect both the drivers and the team,I know for sure the drivers will deliver here as they are eager to show what they are worth and especially Leclerc which is in the fight for the title however even a small error from the pit wall crew can screw any driver race.

Today was a boring Sunday without F1 so I already look forward to the upcoming Sunday and the race.

[coinlocket$]

We are going to have another Grand Prix in Silverstone next weekend and I'm getting more excited day by day. This time Hamilton's chance to win the race seems very low unfortunately. Mercedes are newly recovering and the latest change in the regulation would take some time for Mercedes to start being able to compete with the biggest teams in the grid now. As long as we don't see big surprises in this race it isn't happening this time for sure. For the victory, I'm favouring Leclerc despite having problems lately.

Not sure if Ferrari should be better than Redbull in Silverstone.

We will have high-speed turns, and Ferrari is the best car for low-speed turns, we will see.

Also the weather, rain is a possibility.

[AndySt]

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

I would like to make a big mistake, but I think that only Ferrari in the person of Leclerc can still impose a fight on Red Bull in the person of Max Verstappen for the Formula 1 champion title. Just for this, Ferrari needs to solve problems with the reliability of its car and it seems that there is still time for this, even if not so much and coming the races will be decisive in this sense. Still, in general, losing points due to a car going off the track in the middle of the season due to ongoing problems with engine reliability is not the case, in theory, it's time now to simply eliminate minor roughness. By the way, Ferrari's F1 client cars also have reliability problems. I also think that Mercedes is able to solve problems with its cars and claim podiums and even victories in the remaining races, but I agree with the team leader Toto Wolff that the train has already left and there is no chance of winning the championship anymore.

[alegotardo]

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

Worse than that is a disappointing truth...
As soon as the season started I believed that Ferrari had the ideal car to shine again on the podiums, but this enthusiasm soon turned to disappointment.
I would like to believe that the big problem this year was the radical changes imposed on the teams, but nothing justifies so many problems.
This is going to be a pretty unpredictable season, so it's best to hold on to your enthusiasm and save your chips for the next season.

[blue Snow]

From the start I wasn't sure about Quartararo and it happened. Quartararo fell, he seemed to have pushed his way through the inside a bit. He looks like he wants to get into second place. Not only once after changing the bike he fell again in the same place. Only then did he stop dropping out of the race.

That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)

[Bitinity]

From the start I wasn't sure about Quartararo and it happened. Quartararo fell, he seemed to have pushed his way through the inside a bit. He looks like he wants to get into second place. Not only once after changing the bike he fell again in the same place. Only then did he stop dropping out of the race.

That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)

Aleix Espargaro did it really great after the crash because of Quartararo. He was down to 15th (if I remember it correctly) but finished in 4th with a great moment in the last turn before finish by overtake Jack Miller and Brad Binder. I think Aleix could be the winner of the race if there was no crash or maybe if there are at least 3-4 laps more. Pecco almost without pressure since the start of the race, the crash between Aleix and Quartararo was absolutely an advantage for him. The result of the race makes the competition for the championship become more attractive as Aleix is getting closed to Quartararo in the standing.

[Juggy777]

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

Worse than that is a disappointing truth...
As soon as the season started I believed that Ferrari had the ideal car to shine again on the podiums, but this enthusiasm soon turned to disappointment.
I would like to believe that the big problem this year was the radical changes imposed on the teams, but nothing justifies so many problems.
This is going to be a pretty unpredictable season, so it's best to hold on to your enthusiasm and save your chips for the next season.

@alegotardo I’ll second that after all the hype created by Ferrari they have totally disappointed their fans, and now I believe that it’s best to wager against them because I don’t think that they’ll win the championship this season. Furthermore depending on the odds wagering on Max only makes sense as he’s bound to win the maximum races this season, and I’m no longer expecting miracles from Ferrari to instantly fix their problems.

[swogerino]

Ferrari still has a lot of work to do. In fact, Red Bull of the top teams only seems to have its affairs in order now. Mercedes was disappointing at the start of the season and is still disappointing. Every race they should be happy if they fall into the points, and Hamilton will be happy if he can be on the podium with a 3rd place. That was different in recent years, of course. I don't see Mercedes solving this problem just like that. The gap to Red Bull and Ferrari is huge at the moment. Leclerc will be very disappointed with his retirements.

Worse than that is a disappointing truth...
As soon as the season started I believed that Ferrari had the ideal car to shine again on the podiums, but this enthusiasm soon turned to disappointment.
I would like to believe that the big problem this year was the radical changes imposed on the teams, but nothing justifies so many problems.
This is going to be a pretty unpredictable season, so it's best to hold on to your enthusiasm and save your chips for the next season.

@alegotardo I’ll second that after all the hype created by Ferrari they have totally disappointed their fans, and now I believe that it’s best to wager against them because I don’t think that they’ll win the championship this season. Furthermore depending on the odds wagering on Max only makes sense as he’s bound to win the maximum races this season, and I’m no longer expecting miracles from Ferrari to instantly fix their problems.

I think it is early to make these statements,the perfect time to make that statement that Max is going to win the most races during this season is after the three upcoming races which are not favoring Redbull at all.If Ferrari is able to make the most out of these tracks then most probably we will be in a situation where the chances to win the F1 Championship will be equal between a Ferrari driver and a Redbull driver.For this to happen though in these three races Ferrari needs to be impeccable and make 0 mistakes in their strategy during the race and also hopefully the reliability problem to be fixed.If this does not happen it is only natural that Max then will win the most number of races during this season.

[Davian144]

Aleix Espargaro did it really great after the crash because of Quartararo. He was down to 15th (if I remember it correctly) but finished in 4th with a great moment in the last turn before finish by overtake Jack Miller and Brad Binder. I think Aleix could be the winner of the race if there was no crash or maybe if there are at least 3-4 laps more. Pecco almost without pressure since the start of the race, the crash between Aleix and Quartararo was absolutely an advantage for him. The result of the race makes the competition for the championship become more attractive as Aleix is getting closed to Quartararo in the standing.

Aleix Espargaro is only 21 points different from Quartararo in the standings and one more thing for Pecco where he has also started to appear in the standings even though he is still in fourth place with a difference of 66 points with Quartararo. But on the other hand Valentino Rossi is also very happy because two Italian riders (one of whom is a rookie of the year) were able to get 1 & 2 podiums at Assen Netherland, both of whom were also educated in the VR46 academy even though Pecco was already in the factory Ducati team.

The next race will probably go directly to Silverstone, England, because the Kymiring race in Finland has been cancelled. Hopefully there will be more exciting competition at the time of the race.

[Koal-84]

Aleix Espargaro is only 21 points different from Quartararo in the standings and one more thing for Pecco where he has also started to appear in the standings even though he is still in fourth place with a difference of 66 points with Quartararo. But on the other hand Valentino Rossi is also very happy because two Italian riders (one of whom is a rookie of the year) were able to get 1 & 2 podiums at Assen Netherland, both of whom were also educated in the VR46 academy even though Pecco was already in the factory Ducati team.

The next race will probably go directly to Silverstone, England, because the Kymiring race in Finland has been cancelled. Hopefully there will be more exciting competition at the time of the race.

It was a very important race for the tension in the World Championship (even if I don't want to see a crash), Bagnaia won and Aleix also made up points on Fabio by catching up, but Fabio can also make mistakes under pressure. The race could make the championship exciting again after the summer break.

Fabio got a longlap penalty in the next race because of the accident against Aleix.

[Fakhrulenclix]

Aleix Espargaro did it really great after the crash because of Quartararo. He was down to 15th (if I remember it correctly) but finished in 4th with a great moment in the last turn before finish by overtake Jack Miller and Brad Binder. I think Aleix could be the winner of the race if there was no crash or maybe if there are at least 3-4 laps more. Pecco almost without pressure since the start of the race, the crash between Aleix and Quartararo was absolutely an advantage for him. The result of the race makes the competition for the championship become more attractive as Aleix is getting closed to Quartararo in the standing.

Aleix Espargaro is only 21 points different from Quartararo in the standings and one more thing for Pecco where he has also started to appear in the standings even though he is still in fourth place with a difference of 66 points with Quartararo. But on the other hand Valentino Rossi is also very happy because two Italian riders (one of whom is a rookie of the year) were able to get 1 & 2 podiums at Assen Netherland, both of whom were also educated in the VR46 academy even though Pecco was already in the factory Ducati team.

The next race will probably go directly to Silverstone, England, because the Kymiring race in Finland has been cancelled. Hopefully there will be more exciting competition at the time of the race.

the next series which will be held at Silverstone will of course be very interesting, I am sure there will be a fierce duel there and of course Fabio Quartararo will rise, he was the winner at the Silverstone circuit last year.

Francesco Bagnaia's victory at the Assen circuit is inseparable from the accidents that befell Aleix Espargaro and Quartararo, if that didn't happen it might not be easy for Bagnaia to win at the Assen circuit because as we know that Ducati is not so fast at this circuit.

and Aleix Espargaro, he's been very strong the results are already very good with what has happened, I think Aleix Espargaro is a strong candidate for world champion this season. in the rest of the series this season it is the consistent driver who will be able to become world champion and Aleix Espargaro so far has been very consistent by being able to continue to be in the front row.

[Luzin]

That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)

He looked like he wanted to overtake Espargaro immediately. Maybe he realized if he was far enough behind he'd be in more trouble. But it seems their impatience made him careless. He should have been more experienced and more patient. Not getting points is very detrimental. The point difference is getting closer. When I fell the second I was actually surprised, because the place is the same. I don't know why it repeats itself, It seems he was too tilted and the tire grip was lost. The next series at Silverstone in August looks like we have a 2 week gap.

[Cnut237]

Not sure if Ferrari should be better than Redbull in Silverstone.

We will have high-speed turns, and Ferrari is the best car for low-speed turns, we will see.

Ferrari may end up being faster, but of course it means nothing if they can't finish the race. Reliability has to be the main concern at the moment, it's something they need to fix very quickly, or else the season is already over.

Mercedes are newly recovering and the latest change in the regulation would take some time for Mercedes to start being able to compete with the biggest teams

The change doesn't necessarily mean Mercedes will be able to compete. If Red Bull don't have a problem, which they say they don't, then they won't have to adjust their car at all... so the Merc (which will have to be adjusted) will get slower relative to the fastest team. We'll have to see which teams need to adjust their cars, and by how much.

[savetheFORUM]

I think it is early to make these statements,the perfect time to make that statement that Max is going to win the most races during this season is after the three upcoming races which are not favoring Redbull at all.If Ferrari is able to make the most out of these tracks then most probably we will be in a situation where the chances to win the F1 Championship will be equal between a Ferrari driver and a Redbull driver.For this to happen though in these three races Ferrari needs to be impeccable and make 0 mistakes in their strategy during the race and also hopefully the reliability problem to be fixed.If this does not happen it is only natural that Max then will win the most number of races during this season.

I do not think that getting close to each other would be that much a possibility. Sure if Charles wins all three next races, that would be 75 points, but if Max ends in podium in all those races, he would have at least 35-40 points, and that means he is going to be still ahead. Sure that's closer, but we just gave Charles three wins in a row and he is still at least one more win away, how much leeway Max needs to guarantee his championship in our minds?

I believe the season is already over and Max is the champion. Sure it may take a while before people realize that, or if anything substantially unexpected, like Max getting an injury that keeps him away for a long time, then things could change but I doubt that.

[Davian144]

It was a very important race for the tension in the World Championship (even if I don't want to see a crash), Bagnaia won and Aleix also made up points on Fabio by catching up, but Fabio can also make mistakes under pressure. The race could make the championship exciting again after the summer break.

Fabio got a longlap penalty in the next race because of the accident against Aleix.

The first half of the season is over and it's time for the riders to take a 41 day holiday before the second half of the season starts again which will take place at British silverstone. However, what is very unfortunate is the Long Lap Penalty that was given to Fabio by the stewards, because the Nakagami crash that occurred in Barcelona did not receive any sanctions even though the incident had already harmed two other riders such as Pecco and Rins.

the next series which will be held at Silverstone will of course be very interesting, I am sure there will be a fierce duel there and of course Fabio Quartararo will rise, he was the winner at the Silverstone circuit last year.

I also predict that, but anything can still happen as seen in Assen, even though last year Fabio won at Assen, but it is not easy this year. Regardless of the accident that happened to him in the race.

Francesco Bagnaia's victory at the Assen circuit is inseparable from the accidents that befell Aleix Espargaro and Quartararo, if that didn't happen it might not be easy for Bagnaia to win at the Assen circuit because as we know that Ducati is not so fast at this circuit.

If Aleix Espargaro had not had a collision incident with Fabio, then he would definitely be competing with Bagnaia for his victory because dropping to 15th place after the incident alone could still finish the race in 4th place and this is proof that Aprilia is actually very strong.

and Aleix Espargaro, he's been very strong the results are already very good with what has happened, I think Aleix Espargaro is a strong candidate for world champion this season. in the rest of the series this season it is the consistent driver who will be able to become world champion and Aleix Espargaro so far has been very consistent by being able to continue to be in the front row.

I'm also sure that Aleix Espargaro will put up a slightly tougher fight in the second half of the season because Aprilia's bike is getting better and stronger in every circuit.