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I think it's a bit embarrassing that Verstappen, who is already the world champion, doesn't want to help Perez to become a safe vice world champion. I think he has already forgotten what Perez did for Verstappen last season, just think of the final where he kept Hamilton behind him for a long time.

Verstappen could have easily passed Perez, RedBull also wants the vice world championship title at all costs and for Verstappen it's all about nothing, because he had no chance of winning.

Everybody knows, Verstappen is a great driver and a little man, the past speaks for itself.

I've also seen a TikTok video, not sure if it was authentic where he said he pushed Hamilton on purpose to ruin his race, again not sure if it was a true video or a fan fake video.

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[emrecemsan]

Everybody knows, Verstappen is a great driver and a little man, the past speaks for itself.

I've also seen a TikTok video, not sure if it was authentic where he said he pushed Hamilton on purpose to ruin his race, again not sure if it was a true video or a fan fake video.

I think that video could be fake most probably. Because I don't see any reason for Verstappen to do this to Hamilton on purpose. Let's say Hamilton did something big to him before and Verstappen was very angry about it then I would expect Verstappen to try to destroy his race. Because he is really serious about this kind of topics as we have seen an example between him and Perez recently. Verstappen must have done that to Perez for a reason as well. When he was asked about the reason like whether it could be related to the incident in Monaco, he just talked implicatively. It must definitely be the reason.


The last race of the season can be so much fun due to the competition for the second spot in the standings. Maybe Russell also has a chance mathematically but it is quite low comparing to Leclerc and Perez's. Depending on how strong Ferrari will be, Leclerc can do this I believe.

[dothebeats]

The last race of the season can be so much fun due to the competition for the second spot in the standings. Maybe Russell also has a chance mathematically but it is quite low comparing to Leclerc and Perez's. Depending on how strong Ferrari will be, Leclerc can do this I believe.

If Sainz can perform accordingly and help Charles get in a better position then it's entirely possible, otherwise it's just another ruined run for the Monaco-born driver. He had a good run all throughout this season and always a nail-biter against Perez, especially in times when Sainz is just far back and just chilling. The podium swap could have easily given Leclerc more points and a higher chance of stealing that 2nd place, but I still don't buy the reason that Sainz never heard anything from the radio all those times.

[Jackl87]

Yup...  Very embarassing.  But if you read into it, it looks like Perez did something really naughtly at Monaco this season.  Perez was caught to have admitted that he deliberately crashed at Monaco quali to cause a red flag, deprive Verstappen for a chance at pole and get the pole position himself.  In the radio at Brazil, Verstsppen was saying something like 'you know my reasons, we've talked about this' when he didn't follow team orders to let Perez pass.  There' something going on behind all this.  And I don't think Perez gets a new contract after his current one...  

My first reaction when i saw the race and Verstappen did not give back that position to his team mate Perez even though he desperately needed that points was also that Verstappen is such selfish and arrogant idiot. Then i read about that rumors that Perez crashed intentionally in the qualifying in Monaco in order to prevent Verstappen and other drivers to place in front of him. That back then happened when the championship was still completely open so if this is true then this really was a very dirty and damaging move from Perez and i can understand Verstappen if he still does not want to help Perez after this.
I guess Perez will have to leave Red Bull after this season.

[swogerino]

The last race of the season can be so much fun due to the competition for the second spot in the standings. Maybe Russell also has a chance mathematically but it is quite low comparing to Leclerc and Perez's. Depending on how strong Ferrari will be, Leclerc can do this I believe.

If Sainz can perform accordingly and help Charles get in a better position then it's entirely possible, otherwise it's just another ruined run for the Monaco-born driver. He had a good run all throughout this season and always a nail-biter against Perez, especially in times when Sainz is just far back and just chilling. The podium swap could have easily given Leclerc more points and a higher chance of stealing that 2nd place, but I still don't buy the reason that Sainz never heard anything from the radio all those times.

I also think that he didn't heard in the radio is just an excuse,it was not a defect during the race and he talked several times with his team through the radio during that race,how come the only time when he needed to give a position to his team mate he didn't heard.
Both Ferrari drivers did not excel during this year despite Leclerc winning some races and quite some pole positions,things would have been different if most of these races would not have been screwed by the Ferrari team management.

Let's leave it to the last race then which we welcome this weekend in the Yas Marina circuit in Abu Dhabi,which I think it will be a beautiful night race to end the season in class.

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We got a rumor in the day about the sacking of Binotto but it seems it has been classified as FAKE news by Ferrari.

[Koal-84]

I don't think anyone should give back their own position. But here Verstappen didn't rise to that position by himself, he was ahead tactically, but he couldn't catch the front group, so the tactic didn't work. Normally I'm against such relocations, but here Verstappen should have given his place back. If such tactics will not be implemented, why do teams compete with two pilots? Then everyone race alone.
On the other hand, it was funny that Leclerc wanted a position when there was little difference between him and Alonso. In such a situation, relocating would be quite risky. Moreover, the podium was Sainz's right. It was a strange request, but luckily it went unanswered.

It's very strange what happened there, Perez was rightly pissed off in my opinion, I think there's still a lot to talk about within the team. Apparently it was a kind of payback for Monaco, but I still don't understand it, Verstappen is not a team player, Perez also let him pass, as you wrote, to try to catch up with the front runners.

[tokeweed]

We got a rumor in the day about the sacking of Binotto but it seems it has been classified as FAKE news by Ferrari.

Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto.  He's the best technical guy they've had in years.  I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship...  Maybe within three seasons or so.  But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy...  I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.

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Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto.  He's the best technical guy they've had in years.  I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship...  Maybe within three seasons or so.  But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy...  I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.

We got more speculation later in the day about a change of rule for Binotto in Ferrari (he is after all a motor engineer and not a really "race" engineer) and a change with the Vasseur for leading the team.

Again the rumor has been turned off by Ferrari but the media here in Italy are very sure about it, so IDK what to think about.

[LTU_btc]

Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto.  He's the best technical guy they've had in years.  I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship...  Maybe within three seasons or so.  But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy...  I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.

I'm not sure about Binotto. He had goal to become champions, but in seasons in Ferrari, they weren't even near to it. Ferrari mostly failed in strategy, he is directly responsible for it, but when something goes wrong, usually head of team have to take responsibily.
BTW, remember former Ferrari boss Arrivabene. I'm interested what he is doing now. And seems that he is CEO of Juventus FC. Very unexpected, I thought that he is still working somewhere in Ferrari.

[blue Snow]

Quartararo got a surprise receive prize YZR-M1 from Yamaha Motor Racing when Attending the event in Milan. This is not usual because the biker will get a motor prize when got the champion. Maybe the official wants to motivate him like in 2021 when got the title, but I don't think so interested because the problem speed is still unresolved, YZR-M1 is still slower than Ducati, which they have to solve immediately before race 2023 begins.

[Fakhrulenclix]

Quartararo got a surprise receive prize YZR-M1 from Yamaha Motor Racing when Attending the event in Milan. This is not usual because the biker will get a motor prize when got the champion. Maybe the official wants to motivate him like in 2021 when got the title, but I don't think so interested because the problem speed is still unresolved, YZR-M1 is still slower than Ducati, which they have to solve immediately before race 2023 begins.

it looks like this is an attempt by the Yamaha team to be able to keep Quartararo because Quartararo has said several times that he will move to another team if Yamaha is unable to provide a good motorbike for him, and I think that is very reasonable.

Currently Yamaha is very behind from several teams for motorbike speed, and I hope that next year they can develop more rapidly to be able to compete strictly with other manufacturers in the front row, one of which is Ducati, which is currently very fast.
Yamaha has qualified riders like Quartararo and they only need to provide a good motorbike for him to be able to compete with other teams.

[wmaurik]

After Alvaro Bautista celebrated this season's world champion at WSBK. According to local news sources, for the time being there are five unique similarities between the world champion won by Alvaro Bautista and the world champion won by Francesco Bagnaia, they are;

• Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista are both world champions with Ducati motorcycles and factory teams
• Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista both beat riders on motorbikes and factory Yamaha teams
• Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista both won the world title from a driver with the status of defending champion
• Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista both claim world titles in their fourth season racing in each other's championships
• Francesco Bagnaia and Alvaro Bautista both won the first world title in the premier class in their respective championships and their second world title in general

And the possibility of having six equations is also still very open for Alvaro Bautista because considering that WSBK still has one leg series in Australia and if Alvaro Bautista is able to bring Ducati to a triple crown in WSBK, then it will be the sixth equation for Alvaro Bautista with Francesco Bagnaia in each championship.

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I just can't wait for next year to see how Perez vs Max will be. It's clearly that the fracture between them has been produce and it cannot be undone. Max know has to think well what if RedBull won't have a winning car next year, what it's next for him ? He's tight to RedBull until 2028 lmao ...that's a pretty huge deal if you ask me and RedBull won't dominate F1 for so many years.

Rumors about Binotto getting replaced seems legit and whenever they decline statements like this ...the decision was already made by them to sack Binotto but they will announce it officially after the season ends.

[swogerino]

Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto.  He's the best technical guy they've had in years.  I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship...  Maybe within three seasons or so.  But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy...  I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.

We got more speculation later in the day about a change of rule for Binotto in Ferrari (he is after all a motor engineer and not a really "race" engineer) and a change with the Vasseur for leading the team.

Again the rumor has been turned off by Ferrari but the media here in Italy are very sure about it, so IDK what to think about.

In F1 Instagram official page they showed something in those lines but then they said it was not true.Judging from the press in Italy and elsewhere it is clear that something will happen yet they are just extending it before making it public because there is the last race to run this weekend and they do not want to remove the focus from this race as they are still fighting for that second place in the drivers Championship meanwhile they need to defend the second place in the Constructors Championship from a Mercedes becoming better and better in these last years.

Most probably they will make it public after the end of this race.

[tokeweed]

Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto.  He's the best technical guy they've had in years.  I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship...  Maybe within three seasons or so.  But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy...  I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.

I'm not sure about Binotto. He had goal to become champions, but in seasons in Ferrari, they weren't even near to it. Ferrari mostly failed in strategy, he is directly responsible for it, but when something goes wrong, usually head of team have to take responsibily.
BTW, remember former Ferrari boss Arrivabene. I'm interested what he is doing now. And seems that he is CEO of Juventus FC. Very unexpected, I thought that he is still working somewhere in Ferrari.

That's because Binotto is more of an engineer than a team principal.  It's like if Red Bull gave the team principal role to Adrian Newey instead of Horner.  

Binotto is a good engineer and he's irreplaceable.  If Ferrari does give him the sack then that would be the most idiotic decision making for the team.  Ferrari should put him where he's good at as chief technical officer for the team and let him continue making competitive cars.  Removing him totally will bring Ferrari back to square one imho.

[CLS63]

We are in the final race week now.

I will be eyeing Hamilton's performance in this race. This is his last chance for winning at least one race in this season. There is a record for him such as winning at least one race every season since 2007. It would be sad for him if he can't win in Abu Dhabi. Mercedes drivers started to perform much better in the recent times with some improvements in the car. Maybe we can watch another rivalry between Russell and Hamilton for the win here as well.

[fullhdpixel]

Ferrari will never totally sack Binotto.  He's the best technical guy they've had in years.  I don't think Ferrari can afford a set back at this point in the game as they're close in winning a championship...  Maybe within three seasons or so.  But what Ferrari can do is put Binotto back to his former role as the chief technical officer and remove him from any role that has something to do with race strategy...  I'm mostly a fan of RBR but I also root for Ferrari and other teams like Williams and would also appreciate to see them do something great again in F1.

I'm not sure about Binotto. He had goal to become champions, but in seasons in Ferrari, they weren't even near to it. Ferrari mostly failed in strategy, he is directly responsible for it, but when something goes wrong, usually head of team have to take responsibily.
BTW, remember former Ferrari boss Arrivabene. I'm interested what he is doing now. And seems that he is CEO of Juventus FC. Very unexpected, I thought that he is still working somewhere in Ferrari.

The idea that he is the best technical guy? Seriously? I mean building a good car is one thing, but during the races the team sucks, we all know this and they have made the wrong decisions plenty of times at every turn. Just on the last weekend with the horrible decision on the inter tires when they could have gone soft, and everyone else did, that was a wrong move and caused Charles to start from 10th because of that.

In the end, we are talking about Binotto being terrible for ferrari, they need to hire someone else but it is not easy to just sack someone and get a better one, because these people are not dozens out there, they are rarely found. Unless they manage to hire horner or toto, I doubt they would be able to find a marvellous replacement.

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Still not sure about Binotto, we have increasing rumors about Vassour from France.

But how they will explain the deny twitter about it if we will have him in 1 month? 

[blue Snow]

Quartararo got a surprise receive prize YZR-M1 from Yamaha Motor Racing when Attending the event in Milan. This is not usual because the biker will get a motor prize when got the champion. Maybe the official wants to motivate him like in 2021 when got the title, but I don't think so interested because the problem speed is still unresolved, YZR-M1 is still slower than Ducati, which they have to solve immediately before race 2023 begins.

it looks like this is an attempt by the Yamaha team to be able to keep Quartararo because Quartararo has said several times that he will move to another team if Yamaha is unable to provide a good motorbike for him, and I think that is very reasonable.

Currently Yamaha is very behind from several teams for motorbike speed, and I hope that next year they can develop more rapidly to be able to compete strictly with other manufacturers in the front row, one of which is Ducati, which is currently very fast.
Yamaha has qualified riders like Quartararo and they only need to provide a good motorbike for him to be able to compete with other teams.

The speed problem will can not resolve even if have a top racer like Quartararo, because when we look at the trial a moment ago, The top speed Yamaha is 327 km/h far behind Ducati's 335 km/h. Those 8 different calculation is more bit effect on the track even having skill overtaking around the corner because when occurring on a straight track Ducati can definitely pass Yamaha's speed. That problem will make Quartararo think hard about in the bike and how to ahead thus making crashes.