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[Luzin]

The end of the class showed that Ducati is ready to be dominant next season. Ducati's long wait comes this year. This makes it look like the competition will shift to Ducati. They have 8 drivers for the 2022 season. It was very profitable to be able to become a constructors' champion.
For next year maybe they will still be dominant if their drivers don't wane. In addition, the potential for a re-champion seems quite open, until now I have not found any news about the development of Yamaha bikes, and Honda.

I read if there will be many updates in the MotoGP class. There will be 2 new teams namely Tech3 GASGAS Factory Racing and Aprilia's RNF MotoGP. Here's temporary data for the 2023 season.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/11/03/provisional-2023-entry-lists-who-sits-where-next-year/443474

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[Pulsar77]

In this season we have watched;

- Ferrari started solidly and gave big hopes for their fans but it didn't last long. They failed big time by huge mistakes especially and caused Leclerc's title chance to end early.
- Red Bull dominated the whole season and Verstappen reached a very comfortable title this time after that unforgettable race with Hamilton in the previous season.
- Mercedes started really badly but they made a big improvement and started to get ahead of Ferrari as well.

Next season I don't expect less than this from Red Bull. Mercedes really have a potential to fight at a similar level with them. But Ferrari might still be a disappointment unless they make significant changes.

[darewaller]

Image source: https://gpracingstats.com/seasons/2022-world-championship/pole-positions/

This image shows the drivers who have taken pole positions so far. Even though Verstappen is already the champion even he is behind Leclerc about pole position statistics. Leclerc has 9 poles while Verstappen has 7 now. This proves how strong Ferrari have been in qualifying sessions so far despite their having weaknesses and making big mistakes in races. On this week Ferrari managed to get past Mercedes. Leclerc is starting right behind Perez which is really going to be interesting.

Both drivers need as much points as possible for securing the second spot in the driver championship. Leclerc is normally a more aggressive driver than Perez indeed. If he doesn't have important problems with the car or any other mistakes by the team then I think he can finish ahead of Perez. But as Perez is a great driver about defense he can make big difficulties for him at the same time. We can watch a wonderful rivalry in this very last race of the season.

Ferarri truly had one of the best cars for dominating just one lap speed, they were really good there. They weren't good at race speed and overtaking, that was a problem for them, and definitely had a trouble with defending for sure but when it comes to just one lap speed then they were as good as any other team, even better than Red Bull if you ask me.

They just failed because they had plenty of mistakes, DNF's and tire selection issues, and plenty of things like that, when you combine all of those together, they could have gotten like at least another 100+ points, which also means drop in points for Max because of that as well, but it's racing for you, sometimes you can do all right, and then one mistake causes you the whole race.

[Koal-84]

The end of the class showed that Ducati is ready to be dominant next season. Ducati's long wait comes this year. This makes it look like the competition will shift to Ducati. They have 8 drivers for the 2022 season. It was very profitable to be able to become a constructors' champion.
For next year maybe they will still be dominant if their drivers don't wane. In addition, the potential for a re-champion seems quite open, until now I have not found any news about the development of Yamaha bikes, and Honda.

I read if there will be many updates in the MotoGP class. There will be 2 new teams namely Tech3 GASGAS Factory Racing and Aprilia's RNF MotoGP. Here's temporary data for the 2023 season.

It's a real shame that Suzuki pulled out of MotoGP, the grid is very Ducati at the moment, and it shouldn't be a Ducati World Championship. At the moment there are only 5 manufacturers, Ducati, Honda, Yamaha, KTM and Aprilia. GASGAS is also just a repainted KTM, GASGAS has been completely owned by KTM since 2019/20.

[Luzin]

It's a real shame that Suzuki pulled out of MotoGP, the grid is very Ducati at the moment, and it shouldn't be a Ducati World Championship. At the moment there are only 5 manufacturers, Ducati, Honda, Yamaha, KTM and Aprilia. GASGAS is also just a repainted KTM, GASGAS has been completely owned by KTM since 2019/20.

Today it's all money, they seem to have difficulty funding so they don't participate in MotoGP. Of course, the hope is that they will come back again, I don't know when.
Regarding Ducati, I think they have a lot of money so they have 8 ducati riders. Their development is also amazing, they can break the dominance of Asian manufacturers. Eight drivers are an advantage their Ducati will be easier for the constructors' champion. I think that opportunity is huge next season.

[el kaka22]

Max just recently said in an interview that after his contract is over with Red Bull he could retire. His goal was to become a world champion, and he became one and there was a controversy with the first one, so he won it again this year and that is purely his, there is no drama going on with this one, and by the time his contract ends, he will be 31 years old and probably will get another 1-2 titles, which would show that he is good enough and he is a world champion with no question marks.

After that, his goals are over, he doesn't have any other goal while racing, he wanted to win, he won, and it's over. I don't know if he will actually do it, but it looks like he didn't race just to race, he raced to win, so after that it feels futile to him I guess.

[safari88]

Mercedes has not been able to compete for the championship all season, but in the last race we saw that there is enough potential in the team. I hope for Mercedes that they can bring the shape and quality of the car back to the start in the coming season. We like nothing better than a battle for the world title between Verstappen, Leclerc, Hamilton and Russell. It must be said that Verstappen makes almost no mistakes, only Hamilton is capable of that. Ferrari has a lot of work to do on the car, while at Red Bull it has been stable all season. Incidentally, Red Bull has good management in many sports.

[alegotardo]

Mercedes has not been able to compete for the championship all season, but in the last race we saw that there is enough potential in the team. I hope for Mercedes that they can bring the shape and quality of the car back to the start in the coming season. We like nothing better than a battle for the world title between Verstappen, Leclerc, Hamilton and Russell. It must be said that Verstappen makes almost no mistakes, only Hamilton is capable of that. Ferrari has a lot of work to do on the car, while at Red Bull it has been stable all season. Incidentally, Red Bull has good management in many sports.

In my opinion, Ferrari has evolved their cars a lot this season, as they started this year's championship scaring their opponents, but unfortunately the problems didn't take long to start to occur.
They are planning to invest a few more million for the season and 2023... I hope it pays off, because I've always really liked this team.

As for Mercedes, I believe that now they have really made the adjustments that they sought so much, tested and failed throughout 2022.
I expect a huge evolution for Mercedes in 2023.

[wmaurik]

It's a real shame that Suzuki pulled out of MotoGP, the grid is very Ducati at the moment, and it shouldn't be a Ducati World Championship. At the moment there are only 5 manufacturers, Ducati, Honda, Yamaha, KTM and Aprilia. GASGAS is also just a repainted KTM, GASGAS has been completely owned by KTM since 2019/20.

The team name that changed was the influence of the sponsor who entered the team even though they were still using the engine from the same manufacturer as before. A close example is GASGAS. Besides that, I see no difference even though only five manufacturers will stay in MotoGP next season because Suzuki's departure has reduced one factory slot for next season.

Today it's all money, they seem to have difficulty funding so they don't participate in MotoGP. Of course, the hope is that they will come back again, I don't know when.
Regarding Ducati, I think they have a lot of money so they have 8 ducati riders. Their development is also amazing, they can break the dominance of Asian manufacturers. Eight drivers are an advantage their Ducati will be easier for the constructors' champion. I think that opportunity is huge next season.

Yes, it is because of money. Because money is the main thing that allows the team owner to move together with his crew to make things needed such as developing better engines and being able to give engines to independent teams like Ducati did this season. And the race for the title in MotoGP next season I think will be even more challenging because there are some riders from Ducati who have gained more experience this season so they will try not to make more mistakes next season.

[Koal-84]

Today it's all money, they seem to have difficulty funding so they don't participate in MotoGP. Of course, the hope is that they will come back again, I don't know when.
Regarding Ducati, I think they have a lot of money so they have 8 ducati riders. Their development is also amazing, they can break the dominance of Asian manufacturers. Eight drivers are an advantage their Ducati will be easier for the constructors' champion. I think that opportunity is huge next season.

Ducati has developed a lot over the last few years and not just relied on one rider like Yamaha and Honda. The Ducati used to be very difficult to ride, but unlike Honda they have found a middle way to make the Ducati competitive for several riders. And this development has paid off, maybe if Lorenzo had been allowed to stay longer with Ducati he would have won the riders' world championship title with Ducati too. Ducati has learned that a star rider is not everything to win a world championship. The overall package is now simply better than that of the competition.

[Jackl87]

In my opinion, Ferrari has evolved their cars a lot this season, as they started this year's championship scaring their opponents, but unfortunately the problems didn't take long to start to occur.
They are planning to invest a few more million for the season and 2023... I hope it pays off, because I've always really liked this team.

As for Mercedes, I believe that now they have really made the adjustments that they sought so much, tested and failed throughout 2022.
I expect a huge evolution for Mercedes in 2023.

I also always thought that the criticism of the Ferrari team this year was way to hard from the fans but also from experts. I mean we should never forget where the Ferrari team was last year and the years before. They managed to build a car that was able to fight for the championship this year after they were so far behind in the seasons before. So that achievement alone is pretty big in my opinion. Now they need to build upon that and also make the car more reliable.

Mercedes was very strong in the last quarter of the season. So if they are able to keep that level then they will definitely be fighting for the championship again next season.

[coinlocket$]

Daniel Riccardo is officially back at RBR as 3rd driver for the next season.



Source: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1595401790169694211


Unexpected, does he aim at Perez's seat?

[swogerino]

Daniel Riccardo is officially back at RBR as 3rd driver for the next season.



Source: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1595401790169694211


Unexpected, does he aim at Perez's seat?

It all depends on how Perez performs next year,if he is the obedient team mate that he has been during all his time to Max Verstappen then most probably Redbull will extend his contract further.If he does not perform well and he is of no help to Verstappen (not that Verstappen needed any help during this season) then most likely it is true that his contract won't be extended and that Ricciardo will probably be back in the Redbull and also there is a really high probability he to end his career there as he is not that young anymore.

[emrecemsan]

Daniel Riccardo is officially back at RBR as 3rd driver for the next season.



Source: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1595401790169694211


Unexpected, does he aim at Perez's seat?

I really don't understand Ricciardo. I mean that he left Red Bull not to be the second driver there. He was having serious problems with Verstappen there as well. You must be remembering their silly accident in 2018 Azerbaijan Grand Prix too. Considering all of these things I just don't see any reason for him to return here as long as Verstappen is the main driver of the team. It is obvious that Verstappen will be permanent here for many more years. Ricciardo can take only Perez's place.

Instead he could have joined Mercedes as the third driver and it would have been more sensible for him. After Hamilton retires he would have made up a nice team with Russell there.

[swogerino]

Daniel Riccardo is officially back at RBR as 3rd driver for the next season.



Source: https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1595401790169694211


Unexpected, does he aim at Perez's seat?

I really don't understand Ricciardo. I mean that he left Red Bull not to be the second driver there. He was having serious problems with Verstappen there as well. You must be remembering their silly accident in 2018 Azerbaijan Grand Prix too. Considering all of these things I just don't see any reason for him to return here as long as Verstappen is the main driver of the team. It is obvious that Verstappen will be permanent here for many more years. Ricciardo can take only Perez's place.

Instead he could have joined Mercedes as the third driver and it would have been more sensible for him. After Hamilton retires he would have made up a nice team with Russell there.

Maybe RIcciardo thinks that he is not dreaming anymore of getting world title and thus he may have promised Redbull that I will act as a second driver for the team when Perez leaves or is sacked as long as Verstappen is here and I will only fight for the title if Verstappen performs really badly which is highly unlikely.

I agree,the best option would have been Mercedes as once Hamilton would retire probably at the end of the next season or just a bit more because his age does not permit him anymore to have better reflexes than 20-26 years old talented drivers like Verstappen is and then Ricciardo could have tried one last time the fight for the title.

[AakZaki]

Ducati has developed a lot over the last few years and not just relied on one rider like Yamaha and Honda. The Ducati used to be very difficult to ride, but unlike Honda they have found a middle way to make the Ducati competitive for several riders. And this development has paid off, maybe if Lorenzo had been allowed to stay longer with Ducati he would have won the riders' world championship title with Ducati too. Ducati has learned that a star rider is not everything to win a world championship. The overall package is now simply better than that of the competition.

They know talented drivers, they then maintain and continue to do research to be able to get to the present and be champions. They have potential riders so they keep doing research for the bike. They developed aerodynamics and were modeled by other plants. In addition, since they collaborated with Lenovo, it seems that they have the support of technology to always research with Remote Garage.

[BitcoinAccepted]

It has been a sad season for Russell. He showed how well he can drive in the last race, but for the rest of the season Mercedes was not in good shape with its management and car. Hamilton was also unable to prepare anything because of that and did not even win a single race. But at least they ended the season with value. If Mercedes has a reliable car next year, then they can certainly compete for the world championship. Hamilton will still remain the first driver at Mercedes, but you should not be surprised if it is mainly Russell who will compete with Verstappen for the world championship.

[CLS63]

Maybe RIcciardo thinks that he is not dreaming anymore of getting world title and thus he may have promised Redbull that I will act as a second driver for the team when Perez leaves or is sacked as long as Verstappen is here and I will only fight for the title if Verstappen performs really badly which is highly unlikely.

I agree,the best option would have been Mercedes as once Hamilton would retire probably at the end of the next season or just a bit more because his age does not permit him anymore to have better reflexes than 20-26 years old talented drivers like Verstappen is and then Ricciardo could have tried one last time the fight for the title.

I agree with your point of view.

Ricciardo is already 33 years old now. Of course this isn't a hindrance for any driver to be the world champion normally. However Ricciardo has started to seem like he doesn't have the same ambition for having solid races. We rarely see him fighting really hard in a race. It has been like this at McLaren at least. He was much more ambitious and successful than this at Renault before.

Of course even in this situation there is no guarantee that he wouldn't have the same issues with Verstappen again. Maybe we would be wrong and Ricciardo might start being more competitive again after having one of the fastest cars on the grid. The time will tell us about that.

[coinlocket$]

Maybe RIcciardo thinks that he is not dreaming anymore of getting world title and thus he may have promised Redbull that I will act as a second driver for the team when Perez leaves or is sacked as long as Verstappen is here and I will only fight for the title if Verstappen performs really badly which is highly unlikely.

I agree,the best option would have been Mercedes as once Hamilton would retire probably at the end of the next season or just a bit more because his age does not permit him anymore to have better reflexes than 20-26 years old talented drivers like Verstappen is and then Ricciardo could have tried one last time the fight for the title.

Maybe he thinks he can beat Max.

Riccardo is a great driver, back in day he won many races on RBR, the problem is that I don't think RBR wants to have a competitive driver in a competitive car who can race against MAX.

Never put 2 lions in the same cage.


The history speaks for itself,

Rosberg-Hamilton 2016
Alonso-Hamilton 2007
Senna-Prost '90

[LTU_btc]

Maybe he thinks he can beat Max.

Riccardo is a great driver, back in day he won many races on RBR, the problem is that I don't think RBR wants to have a competitive driver in a competitive car who can race against MAX.

Never put 2 lions in the same cage.


The history speaks for itself,

Rosberg-Hamilton 2016
Alonso-Hamilton 2007
Senna-Prost '90

Ricciardo logic is very strange for me. He left Red Bull as he didn't wanted to be 2nd driver, as they preferred Verstappen. He also didn't wanted to reace for team which isn't very competetive, like Haas. And now he joins Red Bull just to be 3rd driver. I don't know what to think about it.
As much as I like Perez, he didn't reached his and team goal of seaon - end 2nd in driver's championship. It seems that he have more ambitions than to be back wing of Verstappen, but it's more than obvious that Red Bull won't let him to fight with Max for the title. You said very well that it's not good idea to have 2 lions in same cage. But for me it seems that sooner or later driver who have role just to help for leader, sooner or later become pissed off.