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Valentine's day.



Almost time for the new season

Source:https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1605896553582907392

It is very interesting to see this new car from Ferarri, because this is the first car launch under the leadership of Frederic Vasseur and it seems that there are several things that are different and have been improved by Vasseur. And moreover Ferarri has improvised several parts of their car such as increasing speed by improve aerodynamic efficiency and tire management and degradation. It will be very interesting to see the competition from the Ferrari team in the coming season.

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[Pulsar77]

Ferrari are trying to make us hyped about them again but I don't know.  

I was fascinated with their great start to the previous season but they failed hard later on. Of course there are some changes happening in the team finally. Let's see how much Vasseur will be successful with his new crew. This is an important step forward because the old crew were really horrible. Neither in pit nor about the development of the car they were doing a good work. Now there is hope for Ferrari fans. Ferrari need to get back to their strength at the beginning of the previous season at least. Even that might not be enough because Red Bull and Mercedes will be improving their car much more until the start of the new season.

[coinlocket$]

Mercedes turned on the engine of the new car.

Here the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aHf3RrVbyU


It is almost time for a new season.

[CLS63]

Ferrari are claiming that they are back in their old strength again now. They are saying that they have the fastest car on the grid once again. I have heard about another thing also like they had to cut the power of the engine by a significant percent and this held them back from fighting with Red Bull at the same level.

Maybe they are saying the truth about winning their real power back now. We saw an example of it at the beginning of this season in the end. They were very promising. The only thing they need to do this time is to keep consistency. They need to work with better workers to have a season with minimum amount of problems. If we see them having durability issues again it would be a really big disappointment.

They're 'old strength' again now?  And how can that really be when their best engineer has already resigned.  People seem to forget that Binotto was the guy who has done a lot of the work on Ferrari's title winning cars with Michael Schumacher.  I think to really get their old strength back, the Ferrari F1 board should go to Binotto then grovel and plead for him to work with them again because if he goes to another team with money, say McLaren, then the rest better watch out.

I really don't know how they can get their strength back in such a short time. I know that they have been working on their car but I don't think they have made that much improvement yet. Because they have newly replaced Binotto with Vasseur. They will need some time for him to start applying the plans in his mind with his crew.

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

[alegotardo]

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

I don't know if it's still confirmed, but I had read that Ferrari would have an engine with 30 more horsepower for the 2023 Formula 1 season, a result achieved with an "innovative solution" in the design of the unit.
Furthermore, they promised to "attack" and solve the reliability problems that so plagued Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz this last season.

Ferrari's problems arose because they needed to "pump" their engine to the maximum before the blockade that affected all teams, but now, by the rules, they can still make some adjustments to try to solve the problems that remain, and that's what they want extract that extra power.

I still have hope that Ferrari will perform well in 2023, I really root for this team and hope that it can match Mercedes.

[FanEagle]

It is explained that Ferrari had the best engine out of anyone else, and they started the season last year with full power, back when Red Bull couldn't even catch up, and had DNF because they pushed their car to be as fast as Ferrari. However, they had to dial it back down because their car had reliability issues, most known Sainz being caught on fire on Austria. So they didn't had the fastest engine anymore because of that.

This year they are dialling it up again and they will try to be a lot more careful and supposedly fixed the issues. In a season where they have the best engine, no reliability issues and no strategic mistakes like so many they did last year, they could actually fight for a title I believe.

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It is explained that Ferrari had the best engine out of anyone else, and they started the season last year with full power, back when Red Bull couldn't even catch up, and had DNF because they pushed their car to be as fast as Ferrari. However, they had to dial it back down because their car had reliability issues, most known Sainz being caught on fire on Austria. So they didn't had the fastest engine anymore because of that.

This year they are dialling it up again and they will try to be a lot more careful and supposedly fixed the issues. In a season where they have the best engine, no reliability issues and no strategic mistakes like so many they did last year, they could actually fight for a title I believe.

According to rumors they were allowed to work on the engine during this break for safety reasons, the upgrades are banned until 2026.

Also according to rumors thanks to this, they have increased the power by around 30 horses power.

[ILuckyGuyI]

I was so hopeful to see Norris taking Hamilton's seat after Hamilton's retirement announcement in the future. However I must admit that I was very surprised to hear about Mick's arrival at Mercedes as the third driver. I would rather seeing him at Ferrari for taking a seat normally. In memory of Michael Schumacher, it would have been great to see Mick driving for Ferrari. Who knows maybe we might still see this happening in the future. But to pave the way for him, Sainz needs to leave.

In the end, Leclerc would be with Ferrari for long years. But Sainz's position is not very guaranteed now. He needs to do better next season.

[swogerino]

I was so hopeful to see Norris taking Hamilton's seat after Hamilton's retirement announcement in the future. However I must admit that I was very surprised to hear about Mick's arrival at Mercedes as the third driver. I would rather seeing him at Ferrari for taking a seat normally. In memory of Michael Schumacher, it would have been great to see Mick driving for Ferrari. Who knows maybe we might still see this happening in the future. But to pave the way for him, Sainz needs to leave.

In the end, Leclerc would be with Ferrari for long years. But Sainz's position is not very guaranteed now. He needs to do better next season.

I don't think that Sainz did that well,he also won his first race and in the last few races of the season he was driving normally,I think the duo at Ferrari will stay for longer and that is why most probably Mick decided to go to Mercedes as a third driver because he sees more chances there to drive for a winning team than in Ferrari.

I am afraid we are not going to see him drive the same car his father did but I am happy for such move because it means he will drive for a Mercedes which lately has been doing much better than Ferrari,so can't wait to see him drive for Mercedes.

[Zackgeno96]

Too bad we now have to wait a few months for them to race in F1 again. But it's also hard to drive all the races, and you also have to travel from country to country every week. You actually have very little time to prepare optimally. It is tough mentally and physically. And now the teams have a few months to prepare. At Red Bull they won't change that many things, as last season was the best season a team could wish for. Or would they want to raise the bar even higher for the upcoming season? Almost unthinkable. I hope that Mercedes can also compete for the championship again. It was actually a very monotonous season last season.

[beerlover]

It is very interesting to see this new car from Ferarri, because this is the first car launch under the leadership of Frederic Vasseur and it seems that there are several things that are different and have been improved by Vasseur. And moreover Ferarri has improvised several parts of their car such as increasing speed by improve aerodynamic efficiency and tire management and degradation. It will be very interesting to see the competition from the Ferrari team in the coming season.

Finding that extra speed without any reliability issue is the hardest thing there is in racing. I mean it is easy to build a car that would be the best car ever, it's actually "easy", not easy for williams or aston martin of course, but teams like red bull or ferrari or mercedes could have cars that are much much better, and I mean like not even close, like domination levels and win 23 races in a row with 1-2 type of domination.

The only reason why they don't do that? Most probably those cars would fall apart at lap 20, because you can't push the car to its limits and expect it to hold, it will crash and burn each time. So, you have to find that perfect setting where it's not max and crashes, but not low to make you lose, so balance it between them.

[Zackgeno96]

We may also get some changes in the regulations for the coming season. Something similar happened 2 seasons ago and then Mercedes was suddenly the top favorite to win. I thought it had to do with a distance from the front wing to the ground or something like that. But they will not be fooled again at Red Bull by letting something like this happen next season. Very strange things have to happen if Red Bull is not to become champion again. Verstappen 1st man and Perez the 2nd man seem fine to me. Although Verstappen has shown that it is actually still just a toddler after that incident with Pereze.

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Las Vegas is Las Vegas.

The prices for the tickets for the next F1 GP are now out.

The most expensive Pass for the GP will cost 5 million $. (it has 12 tickets)

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-las-vegas-prezzi-fuori-scala-mega-pacchetto-cinque-milioni-dollari

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Las Vegas is Las Vegas.

The prices for the tickets for the next F1 GP are now out.

The most expensive Pass for the GP will cost 5 million $. (it has 12 tickets)

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-las-vegas-prezzi-fuori-scala-mega-pacchetto-cinque-milioni-dollari

So 5 million dollars for watching a F1 race,I know that in the USA they like to make it big but I think they have exaggerated big time during such a race.Personally if I had 5 million dollars I would be a very happy happy person that would enjoy life much more than I actually do right now,playing lotteries and try to change life  .

As much as a fan I am of F1 I think this is something not normal and I believe this will be the opinion of many F1 fans regarding the price of this premium/gold pass or whatever they may be calling it.

[püsür]

I didn't like Verstappen's statements about Perez at the end of the season, as a person who jumped into the air when he became champion in abu dhabi who supported him. Yes, Perez didn't slow down for you, he defended hamilton who was trying to pass him, and you were expected to slow down. I understand that there were different scenarios, but still the style of those statements were not pleasant. I think he could have explained the situation in a different way. I hope they solve this problem and look ahead as a team. Because f1 is a sport where teammates can be a very important driving force, although it may seem individual.

[ILuckyGuyI]

I didn't like Verstappen's statements about Perez at the end of the season, as a person who jumped into the air when he became champion in abu dhabi who supported him. Yes, Perez didn't slow down for you, he defended hamilton who was trying to pass him, and you were expected to slow down. I understand that there were different scenarios, but still the style of those statements were not pleasant. I think he could have explained the situation in a different way. I hope they solve this problem and look ahead as a team. Because f1 is a sport where teammates can be a very important driving force, although it may seem individual.

I have just started to wait for the time Perez leaves his seat and Ricciardo takes it from him. Because after these things happened I don't expect Perez to be a part of Red Bull for long years from now on. He would race next season and do his best to stay close to Verstappen to increase the in-team competition level. However I doubt whether he can get close to Verstappen very much. Because Perez has made many more mistakes than him so far. Perez will need to increase his concentration level a lot before the beginning of the season.

When Ricciardo takes the seat it might be quite interesting to see him back at the place he left because of not being the main driver. But I don't see him as competitive as in the past so he wouldn't be a big threat to Verstappen anymore.

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So 5 million dollars for watching a F1 race,I know that in the USA they like to make it big but I think they have exaggerated big time during such a race.Personally if I had 5 million dollars I would be a very happy happy person that would enjoy life much more than I actually do right now,playing lotteries and try to change life  .

As much as a fan I am of F1 I think this is something not normal and I believe this will be the opinion of many F1 fans regarding the price of this premium/gold pass or whatever they may be calling it.

Yeah for sure but this PASS is for billionaires.
American billionaires will be there Musk, Bezos, and more for them 5 million are nothing.

[darewaller]

It is very interesting to see this new car from Ferarri, because this is the first car launch under the leadership of Frederic Vasseur and it seems that there are several things that are different and have been improved by Vasseur. And moreover Ferarri has improvised several parts of their car such as increasing speed by improve aerodynamic efficiency and tire management and degradation. It will be very interesting to see the competition from the Ferrari team in the coming season.

Finding that extra speed without any reliability issue is the hardest thing there is in racing. I mean it is easy to build a car that would be the best car ever, it's actually "easy", not easy for williams or aston martin of course, but teams like red bull or ferrari or mercedes could have cars that are much much better, and I mean like not even close, like domination levels and win 23 races in a row with 1-2 type of domination.

The only reason why they don't do that? Most probably those cars would fall apart at lap 20, because you can't push the car to its limits and expect it to hold, it will crash and burn each time. So, you have to find that perfect setting where it's not max and crashes, but not low to make you lose, so balance it between them.

Every year teams say somethings, and then we watch them fail at what they said. Last year they looked to be great as well, the first 3 races where they had 2 wins for Charles as an example, and then what happened? I understand they may start the season with confidence, and that's a good thing because it would give them a chance to fight for a title race in the first 4-5 races.

However, if they fail and do mistakes and lose races then after 5th game even Charles would stop racing for a top position and lose hope. Hence, if they really want to make sure they are good, they shouldn't just look for what they are capable of doing now, but instead look how they could improve even during the season.

[coinlocket$]

We starting having a calendar for the presentation of the car, is still early but it is something, it is in Italian but it is understandable.

Calendario presentazioni F1 2023
11 febbraio: AlphaTauri (AT04)
13 febbraio: Aston Martin (AMR23)
14 febbraio: Ferrari (progetto 675, nome ancora da definire)
Red Bull (RB19): da confermare
Mercedes (W14): da confermare
McLaren (MCL37): da confermare
Alfa Romeo (C43): da confermare
Alpine (A523): da confermare
Haas (VF23): da confermare
Williams (FW45): da confermare

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/calendario-presentazioni-2023-date-orari-modelli-ferrari-progetto-675-aston-martin-redbull-mercedes

[swogerino]

We starting having a calendar for the presentation of the car, is still early but it is something, it is in Italian but it is understandable.

Calendario presentazioni F1 2023
11 febbraio: AlphaTauri (AT04)
13 febbraio: Aston Martin (AMR23)
14 febbraio: Ferrari (progetto 675, nome ancora da definire)
Red Bull (RB19): da confermare
Mercedes (W14): da confermare
McLaren (MCL37): da confermare
Alfa Romeo (C43): da confermare
Alpine (A523): da confermare
Haas (VF23): da confermare
Williams (FW45): da confermare

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/calendario-presentazioni-2023-date-orari-modelli-ferrari-progetto-675-aston-martin-redbull-mercedes

The dates are a bit far but what I am more interested than in the car presentation of the different teams is in the tests,there will be only few days from what I heard for testing of these new cars and I think it will either be only in Barcelona or only in Bahrain or Qatar.

We can also see from the car aerodynamics the differences and how will these translate during the first race so we will learn more about which car got it better during this year,I only hope that this upcoming season there will not be changes of the rules during the season as that can prove as a season killer.