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I'm always taking FP3 more serious than the other practice sessions. Because the first ones are more like a warm-up. But in FP3 drivers start performing way better as it is like a preparation for qualifying session.

So far Norris looks really determined which isn't surprising. He wants to dominate his home Grand Prix. But I don't expect such domination of course. Verstappen would never give up and we will probably see his usual defending style once again. He is going to be tough to be overtaken again surely. I don't expect any domination by any of them but a great rivalry.    My qualifying prediction is that Norris takes pole position.

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1   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m26.549s
2   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m26.880s
3   Sergio Perez   GBR   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m26.983s
4   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m26.990s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m27.150s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m27.202s
7   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m27.233s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m27.249s
9   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m27.274s
10   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m27.294s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m27.372s
12   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m27.381s
13   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m27.645s
14   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m27.732s
15   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m27.743s
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m27.745s
17   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m27.809s
18   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m27.813s
19   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m27.916s
20   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m28.122s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1051743/1/2024-f1-british-grand-prix-friday-practice-results

As said they were slow with this year car.

In projection they can even go 1.25.5 or 1.25.0 , crazy improvments after the past year.

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1   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m26.549s
2   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m26.880s

McLaren has a better chance of winning this race than Mercedes or RB, they have really proven that the upgrades they have made are effective and capable of fighting RB. Hopefully it won't rain in this race, because this is a quite important race for McLaren and Lando, and the rain could destroy their strategy to get a podium in this race.

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FP2 and German MotoGP Qualification will start soon and hopefully there will be no riders on this quite technical circuit because yesterday there was a red flag because the foam on the edge of the circuit broke. I'm a little curious about Marquez's appearance at this circuit because in the past he often won here on a Honda motorbike and now he is riding a different motorbike. So I want to see if he can win at his favorite circuit in the Sprint and Race tomorrow because Ducati also won here through Jorge Martin last season after competing fiercely with Bagnaia until the final lap.

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Moto Gp had a intersting qualifying for the spring race.
We have Martin in pole position with a Bagnaia and in 4th position and Marquez in 13th.

Marquez really need improve the consistency if next year he wants to fight for the title when he will be on the main ducati

Second and third for for Aprilia, looks they are good in this track, can they win? probably no.

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Moto Gp had a intersting qualifying for the spring race.
We have Martin in pole position with a Bagnaia and in 4th position and Marquez in 13th.

Marquez really need improve the consistency if next year he wants to fight for the title when he will be on the main ducati

Second and third for for Aprilia, looks they are good in this track, can they win? probably no.

I did not follow this week FPs and Qualifying, but I read some news that Marc got injuries in his finger and ribs during the first free practice.
Perhaps it affects his performance a lot so he was unable to perform his best in the qualifying race.
However he experienced similar thing twice at least, when he started from 13 and 14 but he managed to get podium.
Will he able to do it again with his current condition (finger and ribs injuries)?

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1   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m26.549s
2   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m26.880s
3   Sergio Perez   GBR   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m26.983s
4   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m26.990s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m27.150s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m27.202s
7   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m27.233s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m27.249s
9   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m27.274s
10   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m27.294s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m27.372s
12   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m27.381s
13   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m27.645s
14   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m27.732s
15   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m27.743s
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m27.745s
17   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m27.809s
18   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m27.813s
19   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m27.916s
20   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m28.122s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1051743/1/2024-f1-british-grand-prix-friday-practice-results

As said they were slow with this year car.

In projection they can even go 1.25.5 or 1.25.0 , crazy improvments after the past year.

FP3 got me disappointed after seeing a wet track.  :/  Both Hamilton and Russell got the top two spots.  So I'm wondering, are the Mercedes cars fast on the wets or inters?  And since there's a really high chance that quali will also have a wet track are the books right to have Mercedes af 2.25 to get pole while Red Bull is at 2.85 and McLaren is at 3.10?  

Another thing, how high are Ferrari's chance to be fast on the wet track?  Will 13.00 be worth it or nah?

And there's a red flag for the F2 race btw...  So it isn't looking good for quali.  I think am just gonna do my errands and skip this one.

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FP3 was under rain indeed and we have seen how much capable McLaren is under these conditions also.    They aren't joking at all for the weekend. They are here for the win and bring the maximum amount of points to the team. We are pretty likely to watch a really challenging race for the win considering the current odds given to qualifying and race both.



The odds on TrustDice: https://trustdice.win/sports/formula-1/outrights

Norris has really close odds to Verstappen to take pole once again just as the Austria one.    I think he has a really decent chance for the pole. Mercedes drivers are also expected to have a really competitive weekend.

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1   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m37.529s
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m37.564s
3   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m37.714s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m38.139s
5   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m38.393s
6   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m38.454s
7   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m38.654s
8   Sergio Perez   GBR   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m39.284s
9   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m39.340s
10   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m39.579s
11   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m39.603s
12   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m39.702s
13   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m39.820s
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m39.868s
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m40.242s
16   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m40.430s
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m40.539s
18   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m41.166s
19   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m41.785s
20   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   No Time Set

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1051869/1/2024-f1-british-grand-prix-final-practice-results

Raind day as expected, but the top drivers are always the same.

Expecing MAx pole if heavey rain, and Norris pole if light rain.

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Russell takes the pole! It was a really insane qualifying session.    Mercedes has made such a big progress recently. I thought they would be in the second row but they captured the first row. Norris seemed like the only driver who could answer but he used his last attempt really ineffectively. Verstappen also drove poorly. I don't know maybe it was him or the car. He lost control for a little time period but it caused him to lose important seconds.

Tomorrow the race is likely to be really fun.    Hamilton has the duty to keep Norris behind if he doesn't manage to overtake Russell at the start. I still think Norris has a good chance to win and Verstappen will finish right behind in that case.

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2024 F1 British Grand Prix - Qualifying Results
Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Q1   Q2   Q3
1   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m30.106s   1m26.723s   1m25.819s
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m29.547s   1m26.770s   1m25.990s
3   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m31.596s   1m26.559s   1m26.030s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m31.342s   1m26.796s   1m26.203s
5   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m30.895s   1m26.733s   1m26.237s
6   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m31.929s   1m26.847s   1m26.338s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m30.557s   1m26.843s   1m26.509s
8   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m31.410s   1m26.938s   1m26.585s
9   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m31.135s   1m26.933s   1m26.640s
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m31.264s   1m26.730s   1m26.917s
11   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m30.496s   1m27.097s   
12   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m31.608s   1m27.175s   
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m30.994s   1m27.269s   
14   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m31.190s   1m27.867s   
15   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m31.291s   1m27.949s   
16   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m32.431s       
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m32.905s       
18   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.557s       
19   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m38.384s       
20   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m39.804s       

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1051933/1/2024-f1-british-grand-prix-qualifying-results


Crazy results in Britain.
Mercedes on top, and good result for Max with a damaged car he managed to be 4th.

The question is


Can Norris and Max do the 1st turn without collision?

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I did not follow this week FPs and Qualifying, but I read some news that Marc got injuries in his finger and ribs during the first free practice.
Perhaps it affects his performance a lot so he was unable to perform his best in the qualifying race.
However he experienced similar thing twice at least, when he started from 13 and 14 but he managed to get podium.
Will he able to do it again with his current condition (finger and ribs injuries)?

I am also a little pessimistic about Marc Marquez's condition for this race even though yesterday in the Sprint race he was able to finish in sixth position. However, for today I think he can aim for a third podium if he has the ability to do so because winning will be very difficult for him, especially since he starts the race in 13th on the grid in the next race. Apart from that, yesterday in the Sprint race Jorge Martin also looked strong so he will also remain in that condition in today's race so he could be an obstacle for other riders who want to win, including Marquez himself.

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2024 F1 British Grand Prix - Qualifying Results
Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Q1   Q2   Q3
1   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m30.106s   1m26.723s   1m25.819s
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m29.547s   1m26.770s   1m25.990s
3   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m31.596s   1m26.559s   1m26.030s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m31.342s   1m26.796s   1m26.203s
5   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m30.895s   1m26.733s   1m26.237s
6   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m31.929s   1m26.847s   1m26.338s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m30.557s   1m26.843s   1m26.509s
8   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m31.410s   1m26.938s   1m26.585s
9   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m31.135s   1m26.933s   1m26.640s
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m31.264s   1m26.730s   1m26.917s
11   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m30.496s   1m27.097s   
12   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m31.608s   1m27.175s   
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m30.994s   1m27.269s   
14   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m31.190s   1m27.867s   
15   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m31.291s   1m27.949s   
16   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m32.431s       
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m32.905s       
18   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.557s       
19   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m38.384s       
20   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m39.804s       

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1051933/1/2024-f1-british-grand-prix-qualifying-results


Crazy results in Britain.
Mercedes on top, and good result for Max with a damaged car he managed to be 4th.

The question is


Can Norris and Max do the 1st turn without collision?

Some words swirling around that before a drivers' meeting Zak Brown raising the issue of 'moving under breaking' which is a dangerous maneuver made infamous by none other than Max Verstappen.  Lol.  But if the stewards do nothing about it then I guess Norris has no choice but to toughen up and hold his line even if it means a collision...  :/  Which then will make the next GP another exciting race weekend.    

I'm all for it!  Let those guys race!

Books have it at Russell at 4.50, Hamilton at 5.00, Norris at 2.90 and Verstappen at 2.90?  So we really take Verstappen at 2.90 here?  It's tempting tbh.

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I did not follow this week FPs and Qualifying, but I read some news that Marc got injuries in his finger and ribs during the first free practice.
Perhaps it affects his performance a lot so he was unable to perform his best in the qualifying race.
However he experienced similar thing twice at least, when he started from 13 and 14 but he managed to get podium.
Will he able to do it again with his current condition (finger and ribs injuries)?

I am also a little pessimistic about Marc Marquez's condition for this race even though yesterday in the Sprint race he was able to finish in sixth position. However, for today I think he can aim for a third podium if he has the ability to do so because winning will be very difficult for him, especially since he starts the race in 13th on the grid in the next race. Apart from that, yesterday in the Sprint race Jorge Martin also looked strong so he will also remain in that condition in today's race so he could be an obstacle for other riders who want to win, including Marquez himself.

He did it again, from 13th to podium (2nd) in the main race although he did not do it in the sprint race.
Bad luck for Martin as he crashed while he was leading + less than 2 laps remaining which give a gift to Pecco
Now Pecco take over the standing (as what I said last week) and now the position is that Pecco leading 10 points ahead.
Younger Marquez completed the podium, he did reall well too today as well as his older brother who gave the best performance.

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He did it again, from 13th to podium (2nd) in the main race although he did not do it in the sprint race.
Bad luck for Martin as he crashed while he was leading + less than 2 laps remaining which give a gift to Pecco
Now Pecco take over the standing (as what I said last week) and now the position is that Pecco leading 10 points ahead.
Younger Marquez completed the podium, he did reall well too today as well as his older brother who gave the best performance.

For Marc Marquez's podium, I really wasn't surprised because the German circuit is his favorite circuit and that can be seen from his record of winning races when he was with Honda in previous seasons. However, for Marquez's younger brother, Alex, it was really beyond my expectations because he was able to get third on the podium in this race, which I didn't even predict Pecco to win today. But Martin, who was too persistent in the remaining two laps, caused more advantages for the riders behind him, especially for Pecco Bagnaia.

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Leclerc switched to inters TOO EARLY.  LOLOL!

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And the winner is Sir Hamilton.

It was really quite an unpredictable race, because from the start Piastri and Lando really pushed and left no room for Hamilton, Russell and Max to get a good position. But unfortunately Russell had to DNF due to a water system problem and Hamilton had to push himself to win this race. Hamilton really understands the characteristics of this circuit, in fact on several occasions he said that it didn't matter to him and he was very confident of being able to get P1 - and it was true that the result was that he came out on top, even when Norris and Max had pushed to the maximum.
And as for Charles, I don't know what the problem is with him, even though he was able to get P7 from the start, but Ferrari's stupid strategy meant he had to switch to inter too quickly and caused him to lose a lot of positions. I really felt sorry for him, how disappointed he was with his performance in this race. Hopefully this bad luck will end soon for him and he can record good results in the Hungarian race later.

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/c3g0qq7j7m8o

This is the last time we see Hamilton winning a home Grand Prix with Mercedes.    But it was such a deserved win though. He was ambitious from the start considering how he dealt with Russell after being patient.

Verstappen was really scary in the last laps but he didn't have enough laps to catch up with Hamilton. But it was really smart of him to go for inters in the right time. It made him gain 3 places and later he was super fast with hards.

McLaren pit crew did a horrible pit with Norris.    If he had a decent pit maybe he could have still fought for the win. Congrats to Hamilton on his win once again and a really unlucky ending for Russell.

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Martin led unchallenged and crashed his bike without being pressurised by Bagnaia... I don't understand it, but now Bagania is leading the world championship again, so now Martin has the bigger pressure again.

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It was a good day in Great Britain.    Hamilton did a mega job by taking the win home indeed. I'm going to be honest, I was fully focused on a Norris win. I didn't expect Mercedes drivers to keep a solid race pace unlike the qualifying one. But they surprised me a lot. Even Verstappen couldn't keep up and had serious issues during most of the race.

The Red Bull dominance is gone these days. This is what makes me really happy at the same time. I'm enjoying this season a lot after starting to see surprising results. I hope McLaren and Mercedes go on like that. Hopefully we can see Ferrari rejoining the competition too.