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I just read this interesting post where it was said that how Piastri won the race with a "mini DRS" designed by their engineers. Especially at the Baku circuit yesterday which has a fairly long track, it is thought to help McLaren gain an advantage over other teams. Actually this is the result of the flexi wings where when experiencing high pressure it lifts a little and creates a "mini DRS" effect. And until now the FIA ​​has not given any explanation regarding this.

I can only say that F1 engineers are very smart to be able to come up with something like this.

Yes they have a mini DRS basically for the whole lap.
The point is if it is legal under a gray area of the regulation of if it not regular.

IF it is ok, I'm not sure that teams can adapt before the end of the season.

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/did-mclarens-mini-drs-rear-wing-trick-help-piastri-keep-leclerc-at-bay-in-baku/10654884/

I just read this interesting post where it was said that how Piastri won the race with a "mini DRS" designed by their engineers. Especially at the Baku circuit yesterday which has a fairly long track, it is thought to help McLaren gain an advantage over other teams. Actually this is the result of the flexi wings where when experiencing high pressure it lifts a little and creates a "mini DRS" effect. And until now the FIA ​​has not given any explanation regarding this.

I can only say that F1 engineers are very smart to be able to come up with something like this.

About a thousand people work on those cars, coming up with these type of ideas should be what they are doing to be fair, not every team has that many workers of course but there are ones that has a factory that keeps working on these cars like crazy and because of that there are teams that come up with a great idea at times.

The reason why we are not seeing more of these is because teams have limited amount of time to try these things, and usually not every idea gets a test, and this results with teams testing only few of the ideas per season and sometimes good ideas thrown to trash because they can't try it out. This time, one of them got away and got itself a test here and it worked as well as hoped for, Norris had a great race too, while he started far back, he managed to finish above Max which was what he needed, not enough points difference like he would have desired but at least closed the gap a bit more and that's what matters right now.

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About a thousand people work on those cars, coming up with these type of ideas should be what they are doing to be fair, not every team has that many workers of course but there are ones that has a factory that keeps working on these cars like crazy and because of that there are teams that come up with a great idea at times.

Evertything depends if what they are doing it is legal accordin FIA, or if it is illegal.
And how FIA will respond to it.

FIA usually allows the new thing and ban the for the following year it will be probably the same.

The last time I remember that FIA quickly banned something was in 2019 when they banned the discovery of Ferrari with the "secret deal" they did.

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Just as I said in my previous post, Ferrari tried to copy McLaren's debatable rear wing quickly.    McLaren is hiding their rear wing in garage for now as far as I know.



This is the look of the current constructor standings now. McLaren has already captured the first position by 20 points.    It sounds really good to me as I think they deserve it all the way.

I think Ferrari still has a chance for the championship also. At least they can get past Red Bull considering the gap. This Singapore Grand Prix will help with that most probably. I don't think it will be a good weekend for Red Bull.

As it is a street track I expect Perez to step forward again. Verstappen could struggle once again too.

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Hungary has officially entered the MotoGP calendar next season with the name of the circuit is Balaton Park and I also see it as a beautiful circuit for the MotoGP event next season. In addition, Jack Miller has also found a team for next season where he has been confirmed to join the Pramac Racing team which will use Yamaha engines next season with his tandem Miguel Oliveira. These are two interesting news for MotoGP and tomorrow we will all watch FP1 and Practice for MotoGP Emilia Romagna.

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Lecler did an interview today saying

In Ferrari there is a dialogue about the flexible wing of Mclaren.
He said that they will go deeper in the investigation but he said that it is alteast controversial.
He also said that he will no speak nomore about it and only Fred will do.

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Lecler did an interview today saying

In Ferrari there is a dialogue about the flexible wing of Mclaren.
He said that they will go deeper in the investigation but he said that it is alteast controversial.
He also said that he will no speak nomore about it and only Fred will do.

This is a controversial issue that will still generate much discussion.
The fact is: "there is nothing in the regulations that prohibits this", therefore... it is not illegal.

However, morally speaking, it is very clear that this new "material" on McLaren's wing is greatly favoring the team, as the performance of Oscar Piastri's car in the Azerbaijan GP, ​​where he managed to maintain a large straight-line speed advantage over Ferrari's Charles Leclerc, is quite "revealing" and indicates that this is an unfair competition with the others.
It is obvious that McLaren's rear wing has a unique design that allows the slot gap to open, reducing air resistance and increasing speed, so the 'mini DRS' is something that, although it is unlikely to be prohibited this year, will most likely be prohibited next season.

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Lecler did an interview today saying

In Ferrari there is a dialogue about the flexible wing of Mclaren.
He said that they will go deeper in the investigation but he said that it is alteast controversial.
He also said that he will no speak nomore about it and only Fred will do.

Ferrari will see that this is something to consider developing on their car, because from what we see that it provides a good opportunity especially in a straight line. But from what Charles explained, it seems that Ferrari will not just copy what McLaren did, they came with a new front wing, and they hope that it can help them compete with McLaren in the next few races. This shows how Ferrari, although interested in what McLaren did, they did not follow suit because it could be that what McLaren did did not have a good output as they expected.

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About a thousand people work on those cars, coming up with these type of ideas should be what they are doing to be fair, not every team has that many workers of course but there are ones that has a factory that keeps working on these cars like crazy and because of that there are teams that come up with a great idea at times.

Evertything depends if what they are doing it is legal accordin FIA, or if it is illegal.
And how FIA will respond to it.

FIA usually allows the new thing and ban the for the following year it will be probably the same.

The last time I remember that FIA quickly banned something was in 2019 when they banned the discovery of Ferrari with the "secret deal" they did.

Like you said, usually they ban it later on. I believe that McLaren wouldn't do something that would be illegal directly, that would make no sense they are doing fine why would they risk losing too many points and even tunnel time when they could just do fine this year, that seems like the most important part of the racing, just keeping up with the rules.

However, I believe that this is something that is not illegal, and yet could be made illegal in the future, depends on how easy or hard it is as well, there are some things that one team does and other teams find easy to do and they all do it and then it's made legal and everyone does it, there are things where it's hard to do and that is when other teams decide that it should be banned and then FIA bans it as well. This is what I think is the situation right now, we need to see if other teams will also do it or not, if they can do it then it will definitely make everyone faster a bit more.

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Hungary has officially entered the MotoGP calendar next season with the name of the circuit is Balaton Park and I also see it as a beautiful circuit for the MotoGP event next season. In addition, Jack Miller has also found a team for next season where he has been confirmed to join the Pramac Racing team which will use Yamaha engines next season with his tandem Miguel Oliveira. These are two interesting news for MotoGP and tomorrow we will all watch FP1 and Practice for MotoGP Emilia Romagna.

Thank you very good information, I will definitely be in Brno next year, I am already looking forward to it, but possibly if the date fits, Hungary is now definitely an alternative. Or Brno one year and Hungary the year after, definitely very good news for me as an Austrian, I'm already looking forward to it.

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/did-mclarens-mini-drs-rear-wing-trick-help-piastri-keep-leclerc-at-bay-in-baku/10654884/

I just read this interesting post where it was said that how Piastri won the race with a "mini DRS" designed by their engineers. Especially at the Baku circuit yesterday which has a fairly long track, it is thought to help McLaren gain an advantage over other teams. Actually this is the result of the flexi wings where when experiencing high pressure it lifts a little and creates a "mini DRS" effect. And until now the FIA ​​has not given any explanation regarding this.

I can only say that F1 engineers are very smart to be able to come up with something like this.

It is true, yeah. Here there is an image describing the situation clearly.



This looks interesting. Maybe FIA might really find McLaren guilty for using a possibly illegal wing design. I hope it isn't illegal though. Otherwise they might lose some pace. 

If it is legal then surely the other top teams would also be keen on copying it right away. We will see what happens in the coming days. We are in a new race week and the new place is Singapore. It looks like it might rain at the weekend. I already see another failure by Red Bull.   

Seeing these things through the years following F1, it's mostly not 'illegal'.  These cheeky designs made by different teams are mostly loop holes.  They're not really legal but they're not illegal either.  And what's gonna happen is after the FIA says it's not illegal this season but could make it illegal next season, the other teams then start copying the design...  Same with the one Vettel had at Red Bull with the blown diffuser.

Anyway what's this talk about Verstappen getting summoned by the FIA for using bad language?  Is he getting unhappy with the team?  He'll prolly leave Red Bull before 2028.

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Thank you very good information, I will definitely be in Brno next year, I am already looking forward to it, but possibly if the date fits, Hungary is now definitely an alternative. Or Brno one year and Hungary the year after, definitely very good news for me as an Austrian, I'm already looking forward to it.

I also like the quite classic track of Brno because it is a circuit that often presents quite interesting competition in the MotoGP scene, but I am also a little curious about the race in Hungary next season because it is a new circuit for MotoGP next season. Soon there will be Practice for MotoGP Emilia Romagna where every rider will try to make their best time in order to be able to go straight to Q2 and in FP1 Marquez has been able to make a good time so he is in the top position today.

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So the back wing of Mclaren has been banned.
After going viral on social media, FIA had no choice.

From the next race they will not able to use it anymore, so maybe their advantage its gone, like its gone when they removed, AGAIN, the asymmetrical breaking for RedBull.

IF they lose some tens of a second, Ferrari is back in the title for the constructors

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Seeing these things through the years following F1, it's mostly not 'illegal'.  These cheeky designs made by different teams are mostly loop holes.  They're not really legal but they're not illegal either.  And what's gonna happen is after the FIA says it's not illegal this season but could make it illegal next season, the other teams then start copying the design...  Same with the one Vettel had at Red Bull with the blown diffuser.

Anyway what's this talk about Verstappen getting summoned by the FIA for using bad language?  Is he getting unhappy with the team?  He'll prolly leave Red Bull before 2028.

It ended up with FIA's finding this rear wing design creating a mini DRS illegal. I'm not surprised though as this asymmetrical brake thing was also banned a short time later. 

I think this change will cause McLaren to lose a little pace. But I don't expect a big pace loss. However considering Ferrari's speed lately, they would really be more competitive against McLaren as of now.

When it comes to the Verstappen situation, FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem stated his displeasure but Verstappen insisted. He is really frustrated with the power loss at Red Bull lately. He can't control his temper.

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Charles and Norris competed in FP1 and FP2 with a time difference of only a fraction of a second, it seems that in this race we will most likely see how Charles and Norris compete fiercely, especially when the FIA ​​has banned McLaren's "mini DRS", it will make Ferrari's chance to get a podium in this race also as big as McLaren. It seems that this will be quite an exciting race.

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1   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m30.727s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m30.785s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m31.356s
4   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m31.468s
5   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m31.474s
6   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m31.478s
7   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m31.488s
8   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m31.598s
9   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m31.650s
10   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m31.667s
11   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m31.709s
12   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m31.750s
13   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m31.793s
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m31.957s
15   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m32.021s
16   Franco Colapinto   ARG   Williams Racing   1m32.057s
17   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m32.119s
18   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m32.222s
19   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m32.359s
20   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m32.786s


Results of p2

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1055803/1/2024-f1-singapore-grand-prix-friday-practice-results

This confrim once again that ferrari and Mclaren are at the moment the best 2 cars in the circus.

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Hungary has officially entered the MotoGP calendar next season with the name of the circuit is Balaton Park and I also see it as a beautiful circuit for the MotoGP event next season. In addition, Jack Miller has also found a team for next season where he has been confirmed to join the Pramac Racing team which will use Yamaha engines next season with his tandem Miguel Oliveira. These are two interesting news for MotoGP and tomorrow we will all watch FP1 and Practice for MotoGP Emilia Romagna.

very happy to see hungary back in moto gp. i see that it is quite a nice circuit with some corners that will definitely give a good spectacle to moto gp fans. can't wait to see how the moto gp riders compete there.

and about jack miller, his joining pramac racing is quite interesting news, because they are using yamaha engines which they have never used before. the combination of miller and yamaha will be a very good combination because he has experience and yamaha really wants to support pramac racing with the resources they have, this will put jack miller and pramac racing in pretty good shape.

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Charles and Norris competed in FP1 and FP2 with a time difference of only a fraction of a second, it seems that in this race we will most likely see how Charles and Norris compete fiercely, especially when the FIA ​​has banned McLaren's "mini DRS", it will make Ferrari's chance to get a podium in this race also as big as McLaren. It seems that this will be quite an exciting race.

It has been lovely to watch so far indeed!    As long as we don't see any surprise it seems like the pole position race will be between these drivers. Even for the race win as well. However after banning the rear wing McLaren used in Baku, I expect McLaren to be quite slower. Because this "mini DRS" was not actually mini. The drivers were gaining 0.1-0.2s per lap. It is really a big difference in F1.

I'm sure nobody will be surprised if Red Bull fails here as well. They already don't look promising. Maybe Perez could do nice things because of his nice skills on street tracks. But not more than that...

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Bagnaia has now done the best for himself once, so the race is in his own hands if he is on pole position, so he must not mess up the start and go into the first corner focussed, preferably as the leader.

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FP3 has been completed.
Norris got the fastest time with nearly half of a second ahead of Gerorge Russel.
3rd position for Oscar Piastri.

Max in 4th and Leclerc in 5th.

Qualify in 1 hour.