Beware of PayPal and other reversible transfer services

[test121212]

Where can you find an escrow?

If you use an escrow and are selling paysafe/bitcoin for paypal balance, can the buyer still reverse the transaction?

[OmegaStarScream]

Where can you find an escrow?

If you use an escrow and are selling paysafe/bitcoin for paypal balance, can the buyer still reverse the transaction?

Escrow list : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0 (Dont use Master-P , he will get removed soon anyway).
Paypal is probably the easiest payment method that can get reversed so yeah , it doesn't really matter if it's sent as gift or not .

[firetreeactual]

Bit-X adverts that they can issue a Visa debit card to make direct draws. The identity/etc. restrictions are similar to the top tier at other exchanges, which I think is good. The bank is in the UK, I believe.

Has anyone had direct experience with this?

[Spoetnik]

PayPal unlike many other services forbids the use of digital currencies.
They have been seizing accounts for years.. it happened to me.
When i google searched the email Paypal sent me i seen a guy post the same one her back in 2012.
It's not chargebacks you need to be worried about it's simply forbidden !
and THEY WILL seize your account and take money.

Avoid Paypal with Crypto or suffer the consequences.

[firetreeactual]

Bit-X adverts that they can issue a Visa debit card to make direct draws. The identity/etc. restrictions are similar to the top tier at other exchanges, which I think is good. The bank is in the UK, I believe.

Has anyone had direct experience with this?

No feedback...posting again to see if I can find some decent info. 

[matete]

I had a rough experience with Paypal about 4 months ago. I wanted to sell 1 btc online and found a better deal with a buyer offering to buy at USD440 (at that time the price of bitcoin was ranging between USD 320 to USD 350). Little did I know that this person was a scammer. We did the transaction very well and I sent him the 1 bitcoin after his funds had reflected in my Paypal account. When I logged into my account about 2 hours later, I realized that the account had been frozen and was asked to explain the transaction. I explained through the support ticket by giving evidence of the transactions and even the communication I had with the buyer. I did not know that I was fixing myself and Paypal ended up freezing the account for good with all the funds.

[firetreeactual]

I had a rough experience with Paypal about 4 months ago. I wanted to sell 1 btc online and found a better deal with a buyer offering to buy at USD440 (at that time the price of bitcoin was ranging between USD 320 to USD 350). Little did I know that this person was a scammer. We did the transaction very well and I sent him the 1 bitcoin after his funds had reflected in my Paypal account. When I logged into my account about 2 hours later, I realized that the account had been frozen and was asked to explain the transaction. I explained through the support ticket by giving evidence of the transactions and even the communication I had with the buyer. I did not know that I was fixing myself and Paypal ended up freezing the account for good with all the funds.

I'm well aware of that issue...what I'm asking is if anyone can give any feedback on whether Bit-X's debit card does what they say it will do at Level IV.

[tncmdd]

Hello, how to ensure safe transactions on Paypal by preventing reversible requests ? Does sending money as a friend&family gift work ? Does that garantee the buyer cannot ask reversible transfer? What about the note left while purchasing through paypal, should it be left empty or mention something such as "i, the buyer, honor the fact that this operation is final and will not be reversible". Thannks

[JITENDERPAR2]

oh ! my god!!! earlier i don't care about this risk .
now i am very serious that how to sell or buy bitcoins
now it become a problem for my thinking and also my
any of friend yet not told me about this .
but seriously i want know how to sell  bitcoins without risk . anyone friend who know the  solution of the same problem then tell me . because usually i uses paypal for sell and buy.

[TheButterZone]

Hello, how to ensure safe transactions on Paypal by preventing reversible requests ? Does sending money as a friend&family gift work ? Does that garantee the buyer cannot ask reversible transfer? What about the note left while purchasing through paypal, should it be left empty or mention something such as "i, the buyer, honor the fact that this operation is final and will not be reversible". Thannks

NO.

[cptdome1]

Hello, how to ensure safe transactions on Paypal by preventing reversible requests ? Does sending money as a friend&family gift work ? Does that garantee the buyer cannot ask reversible transfer? What about the note left while purchasing through paypal, should it be left empty or mention something such as "i, the buyer, honor the fact that this operation is final and will not be reversible". Thannks

You can try selling BTC for paypal if you wait 180+ days to send the BTC after receiving paypal payment.  Very doubtful anyone would want to trade with you if they have to wait that long, but its the only way I can think of to make sure you dont get a chargeback.

[rikugou]

is e-transfer safe?

[bitcoinpete]

Be ware of selling with skrill or paypal I have been scammed both ways selling btc and having the charges reversed several days later. I was using localbitcoins platform for the trade.

[crazy-igzo]

how do I secure my self if I want to sell my btc for paypal usd? (newbie)

[firetreeactual]

how do I secure my self if I want to sell my btc for paypal usd? (newbie)

You don't. DO NOT try to use PayPal to convert your BTC. You'll end up with your account seized and no recourse. PayPal sees BTC as a direct competitor and does everything possible to monkeywrench the works in that regard.

Join an exchange. There's one that will issue a debit card you can use to draw cash or make POS purchases in USD.

[crazy-igzo]

how do I secure my self if I want to sell my btc for paypal usd? (newbie)

You don't. DO NOT try to use PayPal to convert your BTC. You'll end up with your account seized and no recourse. PayPal sees BTC as a direct competitor and does everything possible to monkeywrench the works in that regard.

Join an exchange. There's one that will issue a debit card you can use to draw cash or make POS purchases in USD.

is there an exchange that send usd to paypal?

[firetreeactual]

how do I secure my self if I want to sell my btc for paypal usd? (newbie)

You don't. DO NOT try to use PayPal to convert your BTC. You'll end up with your account seized and no recourse. PayPal sees BTC as a direct competitor and does everything possible to monkeywrench the works in that regard.

Join an exchange. There's one that will issue a debit card you can use to draw cash or make POS purchases in USD.

is there an exchange that send usd to paypal?

Sorry...you're still not "getting" me. DO NOT USE PAYPAL FOR ANY BTC-RELATED TRANSACTION. PERIOD. To answer your question, though...no, none of the exchanges will deal with PayPal...at least not the reputable ones.

[Timelord2067]

Who wants to neg rep this one who has a self moderated thread just started for me ?

Paypal, Neteller and Skrill to avoid users requesting refunds after we are done.

[tifossi]

Thanks for your info mate.

[matete]

Exchange of bitcoins can be done through PayPal only when exchanging peer to peer. Exchanges are not allowed and your PayPal account will be frozen and the money reversed. When you exchange peer to peer, you have to use a different reason other than exchange of bitcons, e.g. purchase of eBooks, etc