Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order

[d57heinz]

Seems like everyone is running their S9s in controlled environments?  Can anyone who is hosting this summer in non-ideal conditions answer the question?

 - What is the approx hottest ambient temp you can run an S9?

Midwest here.  I've been as high as 98F with damn near 80-90% humidity. I use two 24 inch fans ported thru a wall for exhaust as well as some fans blowing on the machines.  The boards never exceeded 67c pcb  and 98 c chip temp. They would have a bit more hw errors on the third board as it heated up but nothing unacceptable.   If your going to run it in that hot temps. You have to move great volumes of air

Best Regards
d57heinz

[tharani]

Guy's i was considering buying the s9


I just want to know its daily power consumption in volts.

so that i can calculate the current costs for it.

Also it would be good to know how much would it be able to produce in a day , thanks !!!

[philipma1957]

Guy's i was considering buying the s9


I just want to know its daily power consumption in volts.

so that i can calculate the current costs for it.

Also it would be good to know how much would it be able to produce in a day , thanks !!!

volts means nothing

watts  is what you want

about 1400 watts per hour  that is 1.4 kwatts

which is 33.6 kwatts a day
or 1008 kwatts a month


More for you to consider when buying from bitmaintech:

And as noted  in the main s9    one board up and died.

Happened when I went to freq 525. Which I did when I moved it to the solar array.

So we now have 5 and ⅔ s's and 1 s7 running  we could add two more s9's as the circuits are 20 amp 240

  3 run at about 15-16 amps

so we can max at nine units.

I will post either warranty process on the dead s9 board or I will send it to sidehack to play with.


Here are 2 good boards with light and the one dark board.

Which died after running at freq 525 for under a few hours
Somewere some place I have a spare 18 pin cable maybe it can fix issues.  But with tests that I did I think the board is dead.

 

So Phil what will you do?  Are you going to contact bitmainwarranty in the USA?

I sent this email today.  Notice I said I wanted to avoid shipping to China and that I am willing to forgo the warranty for an s9 board at a fair price.

[Sierra8561]

Yeah I'm not spending over 100 to ship it to Hong Kong .

I will pester Yoshi from bitmainwarranty. See what he can do.

No luck with s9 repairs through bitmain warranty, they forwarded my gear to Hong Kong. Hopefully they are able to soon.

[Shiroslullaby]

Man. With all these complaints I guess Im glad I didnt get one of these miners.
philipma1957 definitely knows what hes doing, so there would be no hope for a noob like me to get this running properly lol.
I guess I would consider their "warranty" useless at this point...

[wmabern]

Yeah I'm not spending over 100 to ship it to Hong Kong .

I will pester Yoshi from bitmainwarranty. See what he can do.

No luck with s9 repairs through bitmain warranty, they forwarded my gear to Hong Kong. Hopefully they are able to soon.

Yes, I contacted Bitmain Warranty in Colorado this week regarding my dead S9 board and a bad BB Black board. They said they had no repair parts for S9, but maybe soon.
So I bit the bullet yesterday and sent them both to China. It wasn't cheap. I better get back some fixed (new) parts.

[philipma1957]

Man. With all these complaints I guess Im glad I didnt get one of these miners.
philipma1957 definitely knows what hes doing, so there would be no hope for a noob like me to get this running properly lol.
I guess I would consider their "warranty" useless at this point...

Yeah I'm not spending over 100 to ship it to Hong Kong .

I will pester Yoshi from bitmainwarranty. See what he can do.

No luck with s9 repairs through bitmain warranty, they forwarded my gear to Hong Kong. Hopefully they are able to soon.

Yeah I'm not spending over 100 to ship it to Hong Kong .

I will pester Yoshi from bitmainwarranty. See what he can do.

No luck with s9 repairs through bitmain warranty, they forwarded my gear to Hong Kong. Hopefully they are able to soon.

Yes, I contacted Bitmain Warranty in Colorado this week regarding my dead S9 board and a bad BB Black board. They said they had no repair parts for S9, but maybe soon.
So I bit the bullet yesterday and sent them both to China. It wasn't cheap. I better get back some fixed (new) parts.

Now back on this date  right here in this quote  I gave them a solution to their warranty problems:

 Lets face it  we all know about bitmaintech and the warranty issues they have.

@ bitmaintech  here is a suggestion offer no warranty option  and if a buyer takes it give he a coupon to use on a future miner.  If the buy wants the  warranty don't give them a coupon.

This way  the buyer will not take you up on the warranty problems you have.  Since you don't honor them anyway.

I certainly would rather buy an s-9 with no warranty  and you give me a 10% coupon on my next s-9.
Then no one is in suspense about the warranty.

I would think you see that ETH and ETC are doing pretty well.

Mostly many people like buying from
 intel
amd
 nvidia
samsung
western digital

to get mining gear with real warranties.

A very good   eth rig costs less then your s-9 ,uses less power ,earns btc faster , runs quieter, has a real warranty.

here is their answer:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1580285.msg15875358#msg15875358

 Lets face it  we all know about bitmaintech and the warranty issues they have.

@ bitmaintech  here is a suggestion offer no warranty option  and if a buyer takes it give he a coupon to use on a future miner.  If the buy wants the  warranty don't give them a coupon.

This way  the buyer will not take you up on the warranty problems you have.  Since you don't honor them anyway.

I certainly would rather buy an s-9 with no warranty  and you give me a 10% coupon on my next s-9.
Then no one is in suspense about the warranty.

I would think you see that ETH and ETC are doing pretty well.

Mostly many people like buying from
 intel
amd
 nvidia
samsung
western digital

to get mining gear with real warranties.

A very good   eth rig costs less then your s-9 ,uses less power ,earns btc faster , runs quieter, has a real warranty.

Thank you for the suggestion philipma1957, we will consider it.

[not.you]

I have room for one more S9 but considering the problems people are having and the lack of meaningful warranty support (of which Phil is really just the latest - although technically he hasn't been denied warranty yet but considering the hassle and expense to even see if you will get lucky and have it honored, well...) I think I will forgo another antminer.  The two S9's I have are working reasonably well so far, although one of them has a problematic board so I have to run it underclocked.  But I think I will consider myself lucky and wait for something from a bitmain competitor for my next miner.  Since I am only running three high wattage miners total, having one arrive broken without warranty would be a huge impediment towards ROI.  Especially when ROI is already many, many months out from purchase.

I have a few GPU's working on alts, I may look in that direction for future mining expansion instead also.

[philipma1957]

I have been contacted by Yoshi of Bitmain warranty.  

I will need to pull board take photos and send to Colorado. Better then spending 110-149 to ship to China.

   I will drive to the solar array on monday and pull boards.  I will continue to post how it is handled.  Include Emails with redacted info I.E. my personal info.  I go back to older times in BTC  when BFL  and real asic ripoffs were all over the place. So I actually want Bitmaintech to figure a better warranty method.  Including the idea I posted above.  I.E.  a discount for no warranty  Since shipping a piece of gear and spending 110-150 to be told no warranty is bad for business.

[not.you]

I would rather they simply honored the warranty.  If it breaks in the first 90 days it gets replaced without a lot of rigamarole on their part.  Buying a miner and getting a 10% coupon on the next is worthless if the miner I bought only performs to 66% of spec.  There are a lot of tech companies that provide excellent and reliable warranties.  Bitmain could be one if they wanted to.

[Biodom]

I have been contacted by Yoshi of Bitmain warranty.  

I will need to pull board take photos and send to Colorado. Better then spending 110-149 to ship to China.

   I will drive to the solar array on monday and pull boards.  I will continue to post how it is handled.  Include Emails with redacted info I.E. my personal info.  I go back to older times in BTC  when BFL  and real asic ripoffs were all over the place. So I actually want Bitmaintech to figure a better warranty method.  Including the idea I posted above.  I.E.  a discount for no warranty  Since shipping a piece of gear and spending 110-150 to be told no warranty is bad for business.

I salute you for your efforts and I get it that you want it to be better for everyone.
Hopefully, it would not be a one-off deal, but something that will change their understanding of the situation.
People cannot continue to buy miners that brake even in a year while warranty is so inadequate.
That said, no warranty at all is just a recipe for potential abuse. They need to make it 1 year.

[philipma1957]

I would rather they simply honored the warranty.  If it breaks in the first 90 days it gets replaced without a lot of rigamarole on their part.  Buying a miner and getting a 10% coupon on the next is worthless if the miner I bought only performs to 66% of spec.  There are a lot of tech companies that provide excellent and reliable warranties.  Bitmain could be one if they wanted to.

Yeah but the shipping back to China  at high cost is a killer along with no cross shipping.

   It is not like an Intel CPU  which ships at low cost.  BTW  When I killed my Intel i5 6600k   I had two options cross ship at an extra cost of 25 usd  or send  it in and wait .  I went the cheap way and had a new CPU in 8 days.  If I cross shipped for 25 extra  I could wait to ship the dead one back  and would of had it in 2 days. I did not need it that fast so I saved the 25 extra cost.

I actually do not hate bitmaintech but they are a bit short on service if gear breaks down.   They need to adapt on this.  

Some reasons:

 1) they are helping gpu miners with their short warranty
 2) break even on asic gear is not 60 to 120 days. So the 90 day warranty means your gear is almost certain to not roi under warranty  this helps gpu mining
 3) they are pretty well known for not honoring warranty   this helps gpu mining

Basically  here is my Eth setup  and I convert most coins to btc.  Bitmaintech has created demand for gpu mining.  Mostly over their warranty issues.
18 cards two 4 card rigs and five 2 card rigs.  Every piece has at least 1 year warranty or more.  Most have a 2 year warranty.

[Biodom]

I would rather they simply honored the warranty.  If it breaks in the first 90 days it gets replaced without a lot of rigamarole on their part.  Buying a miner and getting a 10% coupon on the next is worthless if the miner I bought only performs to 66% of spec.  There are a lot of tech companies that provide excellent and reliable warranties.  Bitmain could be one if they wanted to.

Yeah but the shipping back to China  at high cost is a killer along with no cross shipping.

   It is not like an Intel CPU  which ships at low cost.  BTW  When I killed my Intel i5 6600k   I had two options cross ship at an extra cost of 25 usd  or send  it in and wait .  I went the cheap way and had a new CPU in 8 days.  If I cross shipped for 25 extra  I could wait to ship the dead one back  and would of had it in 2 days. I did not need it that fast so I saved the 25 extra cost.

I actually do not hate bitmaintech but they are a bit short on service if gear breaks down.   They need to adapt on this.  

Some reasons:

 1) they are helping gpu miners with their short warranty
 2) break even on asic gear is not 60 to 120 days. So the 90 day warranty means your gear is almost certain to not roi under warranty  this helps gpu mining
 3) they are pretty well known for not honoring warranty   this helps gpu mining

Basically  here is my Eth setup  and I convert most coins to btc.  Bitmaintech has created demand for gpu mining.  Mostly over their warranty issues.
18 cards two 4 card rigs and five 2 card rigs.  Every piece has at least 1 year warranty or more.  Most have a 2 year warranty.

https://i.imgur.com/R72hWho.png

phil, what are you doing?  
releasing the "secret" of how to get the same amount of btc with 2.5-3 times less watts and a real warranty?

[philipma1957]

I would rather they simply honored the warranty.  If it breaks in the first 90 days it gets replaced without a lot of rigamarole on their part.  Buying a miner and getting a 10% coupon on the next is worthless if the miner I bought only performs to 66% of spec.  There are a lot of tech companies that provide excellent and reliable warranties.  Bitmain could be one if they wanted to.

Yeah but the shipping back to China  at high cost is a killer along with no cross shipping.

   It is not like an Intel CPU  which ships at low cost.  BTW  When I killed my Intel i5 6600k   I had two options cross ship at an extra cost of 25 usd  or send  it in and wait .  I went the cheap way and had a new CPU in 8 days.  If I cross shipped for 25 extra  I could wait to ship the dead one back  and would of had it in 2 days. I did not need it that fast so I saved the 25 extra cost.

I actually do not hate bitmaintech but they are a bit short on service if gear breaks down.   They need to adapt on this.  

Some reasons:

 1) they are helping gpu miners with their short warranty
 2) break even on asic gear is not 60 to 120 days. So the 90 day warranty means your gear is almost certain to not roi under warranty  this helps gpu mining
 3) they are pretty well known for not honoring warranty   this helps gpu mining

Basically  here is my Eth setup  and I convert most coins to btc.  Bitmaintech has created demand for gpu mining.  Mostly over their warranty issues.
18 cards two 4 card rigs and five 2 card rigs.  Every piece has at least 1 year warranty or more.  Most have a 2 year warranty.

https://i.imgur.com/R72hWho.png

phil, what are you doing?  
releasing the secret of how to get the same amount of btc with 2.5-3 times less watts and a real warranty?

It is an open secret.

Bitmaintech is king of ASIC world

And they need to watch for gpu world more then anything else.

[tharani]

Guy's i was considering buying the s9


I just want to know its daily power consumption in volts.

so that i can calculate the current costs for it.

Also it would be good to know how much would it be able to produce in a day , thanks !!!

volts means nothing

watts  is what you want

about 1400 watts per hour  that is 1.4 kwatts

which is 33.6 kwatts a day
or 1008 kwatts a month

It might not mean something but volts is what we pay the electricity bill for

kwatts gets converted to volts in meter reading.


also we need the amps of the current which is connected and the normal current supply to homes is ac depends on what psu you are using

(all calculations below are for dc as per the psu you are using values may differ for ac)

lets say s9 has 5 amps

it will consume 201600 volts

450 volts is 15 dollars at current rate.

the current pay would be 13440 dollars for a month

on calculation for 5 amps .

http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/kw-to-volt-calculator.htm

the value will differ from country to country

this is just a example calculation

in my country the voltage consumed is taken into consideration .

maybe it is nothing to you but for this country it means thousands of dollars income to the gov .

[tmfp]

It might not mean something but volts is what we pay the electricity bill for

kwatts gets converted to volts in meter reading.


the normal current supply to homes is dc


the current pay would be 13440 dollars for a month

Wut? Where on earth is that?

[IconFirm]

It might not mean something but volts is what we pay the electricity bill for

kwatts gets converted to volts in meter reading.


the normal current supply to homes is dc


the current pay would be 13440 dollars for a month

Wut? Where on earth is that?

Caravan site?  

[tmfp]

It might not mean something but volts is what we pay the electricity bill for

kwatts gets converted to volts in meter reading.


the normal current supply to homes is dc


the current pay would be 13440 dollars for a month

Wut? Where on earth is that?

Caravan site?  

Apparently the answer is India.
You learn something every day......

[IconFirm]

It might not mean something but volts is what we pay the electricity bill for

kwatts gets converted to volts in meter reading.


the normal current supply to homes is dc


the current pay would be 13440 dollars for a month

Wut? Where on earth is that?

Caravan site?  

Apparently the answer is India.
You learn something every day......

India is 240V AC same as the Brits who first installed it there......

[tmfp]

India is 240V same as the Brits who first installed it there......

Yes, that's my experience, but a search of the infallible Google reveals that dc supply is available, also it's where the poster tharani comes from.