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June 18, 2013, 11:27:24 PM
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so maybe ebay just fills up with BFL and ASICminer Erupters?

This is what I sort of imagine happening. If KnC products do prove to be the fastest / most efficient, I imagine there will be a number of us looking to offload 'weaker' equipment..at least for people who have a vested interest in mining and a lot of equipment already ordered.

I'd also be curious to see how BFL, Avalon, and ASICMiner adjust their strategies to compete with KnC.

With some quick calcs the BFL chips are in the same area when it comes to cost / hashing power.

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June 18, 2013, 11:33:52 PM
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This is what I sort of imagine happening. If KnC products do prove to be the fastest / most efficient, I imagine there will be a number of us looking to offload 'weaker' equipment..at least for people who have a vested interest in mining and a lot of equipment already ordered.

I'd also be curious to see how BFL, Avalon, and ASICMiner adjust their strategies to compete with KnC.

With some quick calcs the BFL chips are in the same area when it comes to cost / hashing power.

Hmm..so maybe BFL would need to cut their margins a bit to compete more closely (or begin building a better chip)?

And as I think more about it, KnC already stated they're tailoring more towards the bigger spenders ..so BFL may do just fine by keeping with their Jalapenos and Minis to appease mining newbies and the "average joe".

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June 19, 2013, 12:01:42 AM
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so maybe ebay just fills up with BFL and ASICminer Erupters?

This is what I sort of imagine happening. If KnC products do prove to be the fastest / most efficient, I imagine there will be a number of us looking to offload 'weaker' equipment..at least for people who have a vested interest in mining and a lot of equipment already ordered.

I'd also be curious to see how BFL, Avalon, and ASICMiner adjust their strategies to compete with KnC.

With some quick calcs the BFL chips are in the same area when it comes to cost / hashing power.

are you talking about DIY?   
the mythical old mini rig was the same price per hash, but seems they changed that and everything else in having to raise prices

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June 19, 2013, 12:11:52 AM
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so maybe ebay just fills up with BFL and ASICminer Erupters?

This is what I sort of imagine happening. If KnC products do prove to be the fastest / most efficient, I imagine there will be a number of us looking to offload 'weaker' equipment..at least for people who have a vested interest in mining and a lot of equipment already ordered.

I'd also be curious to see how BFL, Avalon, and ASICMiner adjust their strategies to compete with KnC.

With some quick calcs the BFL chips are in the same area when it comes to cost / hashing power.

are you talking about DIY?   
the mythical old mini rig was the same price per hash, but seems they changed that and everything else in having to raise prices

~4 GHs per chip. Cost per chip is ~0.6BTC = ~65$

You need ~88 BFL chips to get the same amount of hashing power as jupiter

88 BFL chips * 65$ = 5720$ + board + building = ~6500$

Very quick and dirty calcs Smiley

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June 19, 2013, 01:28:59 AM
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KNC seems cocky enough to deliver on time. If they do, there might be some chaos on ebay Smiley

Chaos sounds like an understatement.  Wouldn't be surprised if jupiters were going for 50k on ebay for the first few shipped.
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June 19, 2013, 01:30:21 AM
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so maybe ebay just fills up with BFL and ASICminer Erupters?

This is what I sort of imagine happening. If KnC products do prove to be the fastest / most efficient, I imagine there will be a number of us looking to offload 'weaker' equipment..at least for people who have a vested interest in mining and a lot of equipment already ordered.

I'd also be curious to see how BFL, Avalon, and ASICMiner adjust their strategies to compete with KnC.

With some quick calcs the BFL chips are in the same area when it comes to cost / hashing power.

are you talking about DIY?   
the mythical old mini rig was the same price per hash, but seems they changed that and everything else in having to raise prices

~4 GHs per chip. Cost per chip is ~0.6BTC = ~65$

You need ~88 BFL chips to get the same amount of hashing power as jupiter

88 BFL chips * 65$ = 5720$ + board + building = ~6500$

Very quick and dirty calcs Smiley

you can't really compare a DIY to a finished product... how about Avalons then too.  But any of those might end up being crap.  I have a few avalon DIY pending but  dont have high expectations

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June 19, 2013, 01:32:47 AM
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It was quick and dirty numbers.. I dont want to touch BFL atm. Still waiting for equipment there..

Also have a Avalon Batch3 somewhere in the future..

I think BFL will deliver before KnC. Lets see what happens. w00p w00p

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June 19, 2013, 02:13:54 AM
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It was quick and dirty numbers.. I dont want to touch BFL atm. Still waiting for equipment there..

Also have a Avalon Batch3 somewhere in the future..

I think BFL will deliver before KnC. Lets see what happens. w00p w00p

shame about the batch3 avalon..  i was going to grab that too if i had btc ready to fire but were gone so fast.. they must have issues over there they dont talk about

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June 19, 2013, 02:17:14 AM
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KNC getting out there: http://www.techpowerup.com/185854/new-asic-bitcoin-mining-products-producing-350-ghash-s-from-kncminer.html
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June 19, 2013, 02:28:31 AM
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I wondered about the PCB as support walls too... might want to makeshift some support beams or use a cereal box or something

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June 19, 2013, 02:32:30 AM
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Waking up and reading about KnC's decision to sponsor the new living on bitcoin documentary really made my day.  Not only is this a brilliant PR move for KnC, but for the wider bitcoin ecosystem in general.  If the documentary gains traction, this will be huge.

Hey KnC... tell us who's idea this was so I can buy them a couple of beers.
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June 19, 2013, 03:33:21 AM
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Waking up and reading about KnC's decision to sponsor the new living on bitcoin documentary really made my day.  Not only is this a brilliant PR move for KnC, but for the wider bitcoin ecosystem in general.  If the documentary gains traction, this will be huge.

Hey KnC... tell us who's idea this was so I can buy them a couple of beers.

I agree. Brilliant!
My wife patted me on the back... "nice decision on the ASIC company honey"
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June 19, 2013, 03:40:19 AM
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My wife patted me on the back... "nice decision on the ASIC company honey"

Does she have a sister?
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June 19, 2013, 03:45:36 AM
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My wife patted me on the back... "nice decision on the ASIC company honey"

Does she have a sister?

Ha! Negative bro
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June 19, 2013, 05:00:49 AM
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Is KnC selling chips? Or just planets? I want to buy an asteroid. Jupiters are too big.

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June 19, 2013, 05:24:57 AM
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Is KnC selling chips? Or just planets? I want to buy an asteroid. Jupiters are too big.

KnC doesn't really have customer support staff sufficient to cater to 'smaller' customers.  Based on the transcript from the show and tell I wouldn't expect them to start offering to that price range any time soon.  They are more likely scale up not down.
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June 19, 2013, 06:08:30 AM
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ok. Let me rephrase:

I want an asteroid belt.

I mean raw chips of course. Not a gas giant planet with PSU, boards, software... Just chips, so we, in the bitcoin community, can get to work on making Jupiter clones. Just like Avalon is selling chips, and now BFL is also selling chips.

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June 19, 2013, 07:05:14 AM
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ok. Let me rephrase:

I want an asteroid belt.

I mean raw chips of course. Not a gas giant planet with PSU, boards, software... Just chips, so we, in the bitcoin community, can get to work on making Jupiter clones. Just like Avalon is selling chips, and now BFL is also selling chips.

I asked about the sale of chips. They were strong. Never will

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June 19, 2013, 07:09:43 AM
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any why would they? you get a lot of bang for your bucks. and you don't have the hassle of returning defective chips etc.

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June 19, 2013, 10:02:36 AM
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Pretty much, that and the fact the market they want to deal with direct are miners wanting to become professional, predominantly wanting server housing and buying completely made mining devices.

They said in time, maybe a couple of years or so, they may open source their work, but for now, they certainly don't want customer service outside what they know they can accommodate.

You have to remember you haven't seen the final form Saturn/Jupiter will take. Those accepting delivery, may be a different form factor to those being housed, which will take more of a rack mounted server case form factor...

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