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Author Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com  (Read 3039465 times)
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June 02, 2013, 09:44:46 PM
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@10,000 chips per group buy that = a potential 76 group buys!!!

Jspielberg was the forum member that confirmed this...
I'd assume about 200-400k are from group buys and another 150k from companies that plan to sell assembled units with a 200% profit margin.
Isn't it irrelevant though? We know that there are 760k chips being made and added to the network around August, that's all that matters when making projections. What is much more of an issue is whether BFL ships and to what ends; additionally if there are any other manufacturers/groups working in the background that add a lot of units.
I tried calculating ROI with 100 and 200m difficulty, that's where I expect it to be around October; but then it's all worthless anyway, it's pretty much impossible to project ROI since the price is going up and down all the time and the smallest news leave a huge impact. You can make estimates of difficulty but by the time KnCMiner ships the BTC price could be anywhere between $.1 and $600, and this is true all the same after you receive the miner, but it has an even worse effect; if BTC crashes then, you have no possibility of getting your money back.

Dude, there's also ASICminer for sure, potentially Bitfury as well.

BTC price I see floating between $100 and €100. Until they break through another psychologically important milestone. Perhaps --> ASICs --> more confidence investing in the currency because of a more secure and efficient network --> more vendors and merchants excepting the money transfer --> consumer confidence/interest --> etc.

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June 02, 2013, 10:35:06 PM
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Dude, there's also ASICminer for sure, potentially Bitfury as well.

BTC price I see floating between $100 and €100. Until they break through another psychologically important milestone. Perhaps --> ASICs --> more confidence investing in the currency because of a more secure and efficient network --> more vendors and merchants excepting the money transfer --> consumer confidence/interest --> etc.
I know about those two, but neither of those will have as big of an impact as BFL would if they actually fulfilled a large portion of their orders. Of course saying that that's highly unlikely is an understatement.

I don't really expect ASICs to increase confidence though, if anything, the relative stability of the btc price might do it. Of course, if nothing horrible happens in the coming months to bitcoin, it's definitely not going to drop too much either way.
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June 03, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
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qq: what is Sam's Email? The one of the site (info@...?)
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June 03, 2013, 12:37:40 AM
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qq: what is Sam's Email? The one of the site (info@...?)

It's on everyone of his recent posts. Wink

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June 03, 2013, 08:16:08 AM
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Is the Mars unit gone from their pages? It's not showing up on my end.
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners
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June 03, 2013, 08:21:12 AM
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Is the Mars unit gone from their pages? It's not showing up on my end.
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

Yep, same here. I guess only a limited number of units are needed to add confidence that they are serious...

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June 03, 2013, 08:22:08 AM
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Is the Mars unit gone from their pages? It's not showing up on my end.
https://www.kncminer.com/categories/miners

Yes, it also appears you can no longer pre-order...

The site has 'add to cart', and 'checkout' functions, but adding to cart is not quite functioning yet...

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June 03, 2013, 08:26:41 AM
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Front page has had one of the three sliders how images removed, though the Mars prototype picture is there.

FAQ harps had an update, mentioning ex-VAT in pricing and office location (the same as the ORSoC Stockholm HQ);

KnCMiner AB
Regeringsgatan 111
111 39 Stockholm, Sweden
Org number: 556931-9725

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June 03, 2013, 08:27:13 AM
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Yes, it also appears you can no longer pre-order...

The site has 'add to cart', and 'checkout' functions, but adding to cart is not quite functioning yet...
Indeed, it has a few flaws. I suppose they want to open orders sometime around the open days.
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June 03, 2013, 08:33:42 AM
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Yes, it also appears you can no longer pre-order...

The site has 'add to cart', and 'checkout' functions, but adding to cart is not quite functioning yet...
Indeed, it has a few flaws. I suppose they want to open orders sometime around the open days.

Yeah it's a bit glitchy it goes from, shipping cart empty, to having an orders, to empty, in any case nothing to pay. The checkout gives a choice of UPS courier; $240.80 for next day delivery to the UK, or 'Stockholm Pickup' $0, as the delivery options.

Bank Transfer, Paypal and Bitpay appear to be the payment options...

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June 03, 2013, 08:39:20 AM
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And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:

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    Item total $5,596.00
    Tax $1,399.00
    Shipping and handling: $124.00

    Total $7,119.00 USD
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June 03, 2013, 08:44:47 AM
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And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:

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    Item total $5,596.00
    Tax $1,399.00
    Shipping and handling: $124.00

    Total $7,119.00 USD

Sorry for what have you attempted to order? The site seems too glitchy to be open for real orders...

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June 03, 2013, 08:50:54 AM
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And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:

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   Item total $5,596.00
    Tax $1,399.00
    Shipping and handling: $124.00

    Total $7,119.00 USD

Sorry for what have you attempted to order? The site seems too glitchy to be open for real orders...

A Jupiter ...
 5596.00 + 1399.00 = 6995.00 The advertised price ie. VAT included  Angry
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June 03, 2013, 09:02:34 AM
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A Jupiter ...
 5596.00 + 1399.00 = 6995.00 The advertised price ie. VAT included  Angry

You must be doing something wrong :



Anyways, order went through. And it seems they started at #1 again.
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June 03, 2013, 09:03:52 AM
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And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:

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   Item total $5,596.00
    Tax $1,399.00
    Shipping and handling: $124.00

    Total $7,119.00 USD

Sorry for what have you attempted to order? The site seems too glitchy to be open for real orders...

A Jupiter ...
 5596.00 + 1399.00 = 6995.00 The advertised price ie. VAT included  Angry

I know I've emailed about this, and the basket glitches. I was wondering if the price stated was to include VAT originally...

EDIT: MAT542, odd...I also was given a no-vat price at completion....still don't understand the pre-ordering?! Presumably none of this is complete and live?

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June 03, 2013, 09:15:33 AM
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And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:

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   Item total $5,596.00
    Tax $1,399.00
    Shipping and handling: $124.00

    Total $7,119.00 USD

Sorry for what have you attempted to order? The site seems too glitchy to be open for real orders...

A Jupiter ...
 5596.00 + 1399.00 = 6995.00 The advertised price ie. VAT included  Angry

I know I've emailed about this, and the basket glitches. I was wondering if the price stated was to include VAT originally...




EDIT: MAT542, odd...I also was given a no-vat price at completion....still don't understand the pre-ordering?! Presumably none of this is complete and live?


I believe that the price did include VAT originally. KNC picked up the "enthusiasm" and decided to add that later. Think about it...on all mining rig sales, do you see prices listed without VAT or targeted at "professional miners" only? I would still like to know how many of KNC's orders are from "professional miners"  Huh
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June 03, 2013, 09:24:05 AM
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did anyone notice the Mars Miner is not on their website?
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June 03, 2013, 09:27:36 AM
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And following through to PayPal Payment, this is what is presented. And THAT is what it should be:

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   Item total $5,596.00
    Tax $1,399.00
    Shipping and handling: $124.00

    Total $7,119.00 USD

Sorry for what have you attempted to order? The site seems too glitchy to be open for real orders...

A Jupiter ...
 5596.00 + 1399.00 = 6995.00 The advertised price ie. VAT included  Angry

I know I've emailed about this, and the basket glitches. I was wondering if the price stated was to include VAT originally...




EDIT: MAT542, odd...I also was given a no-vat price at completion....still don't understand the pre-ordering?! Presumably none of this is complete and live?


I believe that the price did include VAT originally. KNC picked up the "enthusiasm" and decided to add that later. Think about it...on all mining rig sales, do you see prices listed without VAT or targeted at "professional miners" only? I would still like to know how many of KNC's orders are from "professional miners"  Huh

Ok, we're getting ahead of ourselves. They're actively updating each EU countries individual tax surcharge on the site as we type. So if we hang 5, the VAT should be added on another pass..

There will be an official announcement later, apparently..

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June 03, 2013, 11:45:19 AM
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I can't see the Mars mining device either!! Also i can't see any of my pre-orders in the history tab. Is that normal>?

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June 03, 2013, 11:46:12 AM
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So for pre-order we re-start from #1 again ?
And we have 7 days to pay that's right ?
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