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June 11, 2013, 06:28:59 PM |
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890 machines or 890 people or 890 orders?
890 ppl ≃ 890 orders != 890 machines > 890 machines If 890 ppl,may have 1000 order,may 3000 machines....... |
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Each block is stacked on top of the previous one. Adding another block to the top makes all lower blocks more difficult to remove: there is more "weight" above each block. A transaction in a block 6 blocks deep (6 confirmations) will be very difficult to remove.
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mat542
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June 11, 2013, 06:34:05 PM |
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890 machines or 890 people or 890 orders?
890 ppl ≃ 890 orders != 890 machines > 890 machines If 890 ppl,may have 1000 order,may 3000 machines....... No, it's 890 orders and we don't know how many ppl ordered or how many machines were bought. |
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June 11, 2013, 07:48:39 PM |
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890 machines or 890 people or 890 orders?
890 ppl ≃ 890 orders != 890 machines > 890 machines If 890 ppl,may have 1000 order,may 3000 machines....... Yeah, we don't really know. They said they would limit preorders to 3 per but then they still allowed, for ex., Zephir to preorder 100. Luckily for the other preorder customers, he "only" bought 20sth (24, 27? I forgot - anyway...). Maybe they will tell us the "real" number after bank transfers have arrived (doubtful). |
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canth
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June 11, 2013, 07:58:57 PM |
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Im sorry if this has been said before, I did use the search function on this thread to try to find my answer on shipping and import tax. Just because I am a bit confused, rebelrat said that VAT doesnt exist for the US, another had said there was no import tax, but a solid number on the cost for shipping a KNC miner to the US is not established. Is there any assumptions or speculation as to what the final cost would be to ship a Jupiter or Saturn from Stockholm to the US? Thier site states that all shipping costs will be passed onto those who purchase.
I have never ordered from EU before, so I am a bit unsure. Thanks!
http://www.dutycalculator.com/VAT doesn't apply to US orders, but you will need to pay a small < 1% import merchandise fee. Ok, maybe a stupid question. Does anyone know if KNC is charging us the importation costs associated with importing to the US, or will we have to fill out some form and send it to the docks so that our purchases will not be held up in transit? You'll pay the UPS driver via check or money order for the Merchandise Processing Fee. It's .3464% - minimum of $25 and max of $485. So for a Saturn for example, it'll cost you the minimum - $25. As far as forms go, it's up to the shipper to make sure that the forms are correct and the item doesn't get held up in customs. |
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June 11, 2013, 11:01:29 PM |
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890 machines or 890 people or 890 orders?
890 ppl ≃ 890 orders != 890 machines > 890 machines If 890 ppl,may have 1000 order,may 3000 machines....... Yeah, we don't really know. They said they would limit preorders to 3 per but then they still allowed, for ex., Zephir to preorder 100. Luckily for the other preorder customers, he "only" bought 20sth (24, 27? I forgot - anyway...). Maybe they will tell us the "real" number after bank transfers have arrived (doubtful). I pre-ordered 100 beginning of April, long before they limited pre-order size to 3. And I ordered and paid 24 Jupiters, as stated right after payment here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228525.msg2433502#msg2433502Why this negative attitude? Why doubtful, when I have been as transparent as it can get? Sorry if you feel offended by something I did or did not. Peace. |
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June 12, 2013, 07:14:49 AM
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This page looks so much better with Bitcoinrama, Bargraphics and idee2013 ignored. Goodbye, retards!
might as well add me while you're at it, since my (researched) opinion is congruent with theirs thus far. I actually have no skin in the game as of yet, but am watching very closely. From where I sit, knc is looking very good. I would prefer a US based company for the reason of easier access, but right now there are no such companies likely to deliver and be competitive with these units. Really only Terrahash seems viable in the US, and they are not as capable as KNC appears to be. They are within 800 miles of my current location, however, and that is an important factor. Edited for auto destructcorrect errors. |
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June 12, 2013, 10:00:00 AM |
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I preordered around the same time (your preorder number is 19x and mine is 20x) and the 3 device limit was supposedly in place. I even asked Sam by email if I could increase my 3 device limit somehow, little did I know the website was exploitable/improperly configured allowing anyone to order unlimited units. This is not your problem Zefir, you did nothing wrong. It's a problem with KnC, but it explains the negative attitude since it's not fair. I pre-ordered 100 beginning of April, long before they limited pre-order size to 3. And I ordered and paid 24 Jupiters, as stated right after payment here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228525.msg2433502#msg2433502Why this negative attitude? Why doubtful, when I have been as transparent as it can get? Sorry if you feel offended by something I did or did not. Peace. |
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June 12, 2013, 11:15:26 AM |
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890 machines or 890 people or 890 orders?
890 ppl ≃ 890 orders != 890 machines > 890 machines Great... Just hope that the majority was after you in the pre-order queue. I am pretty sure that I am at the end of the list with a pre-order in the 1700s.  Just hope that manufacturing goes quickly as well as shipping...  that s an easy way to take free money ,around 3 millions us dollars minimum of free money from peolple crazy... |
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June 12, 2013, 11:35:42 AM |
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890 machines or 890 people or 890 orders?
890 ppl ≃ 890 orders != 890 machines > 890 machines Great... Just hope that the majority was after you in the pre-order queue. I am pretty sure that I am at the end of the list with a pre-order in the 1700s. Just hope that manufacturing goes quickly as well as shipping... that s an easy way to take free money ,around 3 millions us dollars minimum of free money from peolple crazy... They are in the EU, they have proofen their existence. Why so crazy? I believe in them, swedish people have a high rep in the IT branche, no? Lets see... |
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June 12, 2013, 11:58:39 AM
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890 machines or 890 people or 890 orders?
890 ppl ≃ 890 orders != 890 machines > 890 machines Great... Just hope that the majority was after you in the pre-order queue. I am pretty sure that I am at the end of the list with a pre-order in the 1700s. Just hope that manufacturing goes quickly as well as shipping... that s an easy way to take free money ,around 3 millions us dollars minimum of free money from peolple crazy... They are in the EU, they have proofen their existence. Why so crazy? I believe in them, swedish people have a high rep in the IT branche, no? Lets see... Ya I agreed , Volvo and Electrolux are good products, but here you are Facing a Critical Time Line, September 2013 to be shipped out .. Butterfly will never meet their time, Avalon batch 1 is ok, but batch 2 & 3 is already kind of late. Asicminer is fast and I can say they are On Time. Maybe they sell shares and host themselves that make them quicker. Butterfly - American / Delay, Asicminer/Avalon -Asian/On Time, now Europe - Kncminer we don't know if they can meet the deadline but the Russian-Bifury/they already admit to their delay. We are counting on Kncminer to set their On Time delivery bench mark as promise, when August come we will know where they are ...... |
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June 12, 2013, 12:04:55 PM |
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Ok, look I'm about to sit down and tackle this now. I flew back yesterday and had some bits to sort out due to being away the past couple of days. At some point I also need to make the bank as they were shut the entire weekend and it was past 5pm when I made it through passport control etc. yesterday.
I have hours worth of audio recording to go through.
Every question was answered, but at points answers were expanded on and there were four other guys also present who whilst allowed the q's to run their course had their own questions/input, plus the 'KnC hotline' buzzed throughout with Andreas and Sam taking it turn to answer, so there was the occasional stop/start as we waited for one or the other to return. So thanks for everybody that had to call repeatedly throughout the open day.
For an open day that started (for me at least) at 2pm, we didn't leave till 7pm, and some of the guys had actually been there since morning. So I hope anything I may forget to mention / may not have been present for will be raised by someone else in attendance.
Daggeteo made a recording which lasted a couple of hours, during that time my iPhone did stop recording at one point without reason, but was fine the rest of the time, so there will be a but of fun working where that happened. Also the video of Mars has some account information Daggeteo wants to make sure isn't visible whilst it was directed at his wallet, as I don't have video editing software on the laptop I will have to find a means to share that with him, so he can see what he is/isn't comfortable with. He mentioned 'blurring out' his personal info. So I will let him handle that.
In any case I have to listen through it all despite remembering most from memory anyway. I'm not typing a transcript though...that would take forever! Plus there were a few off-record moments, but only really pertain to thoughts and opinions with respect to competitors which I pursued and Sam was happy to give an answer as 'Sam Cole', but not a formal opinion as KnC. This purely comes down to the fact KnC are happy to acknowledge what competitors are doing/ where they are at, but not support, condone or criticise actions on a professional level. So whilst Sam was unreservedly honest with those in attendance with respect to whatever was fired at him, and gave his personal professional opinion, this is not about defaming or gossiping about anyone person / entity; that would not be sportsman like so he has asked for those thoughts to be kept private. The day was about KnC.
There was more than me in attendance, and they were all bright guys, so if any of them want to chime in and reveal anything, whilst I tackle this, they are more than welcome. It's not about keeping you lot in the dark, just that there is a lot of audio to listen to with interruptions so this will take some time which is obviously magnified by 100 in bitcointalk time! Chill please, KnC hid nothing, and those ragging on them not dropping everything, payment issues etc., seem to forget a few things; namely they are human (and likely to be divorced come September!) - Sam's up at 4.30 am every day, tacking answer messages and emails left overnight, aside from Mars they've had a mountain of admin, applying for VAT licenses in every EU country (done), liasing with lawyers, many conversations with Paypal and they for sure were having a few visitors yesterday (Tuesday) as well, including one guy coming from quite some distance outside Europe, so he was getting their undivided after making that much effort!!
Concerning Paypal and the preorder resale; the admin involved in confriming name transfer is actually a means to appease Paypal and curb the fraudulent eBay sales Paypal is unhappy about with respect to BFL and Avalon units. Not to mention Cryonics etc. That said, the initial 1-500 orders was a nod to those that helped Andreas and Sam secure ORSoC. Without that this project would be grounded.
There is nothing wrong with the KnC Paypal account after the initial sharp increase in sales. Where guys (or girls) are continuing to encounter issues are generally down to one of two factors;
1) Specifically Asian customers. Paypal is not a dominant payment method in some of those areas, China for instance, as such, Paypal encounters issues with the Asian addresses, simply it doesn't recognise some of their address formatting. This has been resoloved in some cases, through trial and error on the part of the customer as they try entering their address in a means Paypal is happy with. This was the case with one particular blogger who wrote a negative article based upon one Asian customer, only to have that Asian customer leave a comment stating it had been resolved. That same blogger has writtenw other articles stating KnC need to reach out more, yet when they have he has just ignored their attempts to bash them for readership.
2) Paypal will only accept payments of these sizes if your delivery address = your bank account/ card issuing address. If not they will decline. This is not the fault of KnC, it's a security requirement of Paypal and pretty logical, but Paypal just advise you take it up with the merchant as a stock response instead of detailing and dealing with customer service their end.
Other issues will generally be the bank/ card issuer flagging an unusual transaction as a standard security procedure.
No one is getting knocked in queue order, it will all be handled fairly, just don't be impatient and please for their sake appreciate they operate on the GMT+1 time format even if bizarrely Stockholm is in complete daylight come 3am in the morning!!
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June 12, 2013, 12:10:09 PM |
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thx bitcoinorama !
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yolo2222
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June 12, 2013, 12:14:28 PM |
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thx bitcoinorama.
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idee2013
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June 12, 2013, 01:55:24 PM |
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thaaaank you veeery much Bitcoinrama !!!
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June 12, 2013, 02:01:04 PM |
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thumbs up!
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June 12, 2013, 02:05:11 PM |
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i`m thinking where many have failed one will prevail, and from the looks of it the guys at knc just might do it, even if people are foreseeing delays until november or december.
thanks for the update bitcoinorama
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merv77
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June 12, 2013, 02:19:55 PM |
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thanks for giving up your time and money to make all of us who's invested in KnC miners sleep a little better.
you're a genlteman and a scholar Bitcoinorama
Cheers
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June 12, 2013, 02:26:14 PM |
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Bitcoinrama, Thanks dude. let me know where I can send you some bitcents for your troubles. --- Nevermind, just saw your address... .10 btc en route
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June 12, 2013, 02:32:59 PM |
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Congrats $1k!
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June 12, 2013, 03:17:59 PM
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i compiled a short list of what would happen if: miners would be delivered end of September and the difficulty will continue to rise 25% every 11 days (re-target time) In my opinion, this is the more pessimistic view... i'm guessing the difficulty increase will level off towards the end of the year. The -Mining should have been mining hardware cost EDIT: is there a site that shows how much the difficulty rose every 11 days and has a history? EDIT2: this calculation is done @ 108$/BTC  |
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