Is taxation theft?

[Okurkabinladin]

If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

Donating to charity should be an independent decision.

I wouldn't want to live in a society where citizens only pay taxes because they fear punishment.

Exactly, its not charity anymore, if you do XY out of fear of state. It is form of slavery then.

I have to assume to poster above is the snowflake, that need assistance all the time in his life. To the point he considers it his "human right" and feels entitled to it on basis, that he has a pulse. Question is, does that make him a piece of shit?

[GreenBits]

If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

Donating to charity should be an independent decision.

I wouldn't want to live in a society where citizens only pay taxes because they fear punishment.

Exactly, its not charity anymore, if you do XY out of fear of state. It is form of slavery then.

I have to assume to poster above is the snowflake, that need assistance all the time in his life. To the point he considers it his "human right" and feels entitled to it on basis, that he has a pulse. Question is, does that make him a piece of shit?

Yes, I'm a giant melting snowflake, ROFL. And hell yes I'm a shit piece. I wouldn't trust me as far as you could throw me.

See above response :

If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

Donating to charity should be an independent decision.

I wouldn't want to live in a society where citizens only pay taxes because they fear punishment.

Yes, it should. But this isn't charity. Taxes are subsidy for participating in society, and using infrastructure. Since failure to promote the general welfare could mean civil unrest, it is in the public interest, and hence, civic duty.

[crwth]

I don't think taxation is theft except if it's really has a high percentage of the amount you are being taxed on. It's okay for me because the tax should go to the right place, the government. What I think of theft now on that part is where the people who handle the tax payers money, would get from that money, and that's the theft part.

[youdamushi]

Taxation is not theft, because citizens have agreed to pay taxes. This is part of the “social contract,” which is a kind of agreement between citizens and the government, whereby the citizens agree to pay taxes and obey the laws, in return for the government’s protection. By using government services (such as roads, schools, and police), and remaining present in the government’s territory, you indicate that you accept the social contract

No one has "agreed" to pay the taxes. On the other hand, they are being forced to do so. If you are living in Western nations such as the US and UK, it is still OK. The government is at least using your tax money in a meaningful way. But the same can't be said about third world nations such as India and Nigeria.

Well the thing is that no one agreed to be part of their society...
Your parents did it for you.
If thay accepted to have a child in a society then you have to follow the rules already in place in that society...
Not so fair but what can you do? :/

[signature200]

Taxes is not theft, it is robbery. When we pay our money we should know what they will be spent. Unfortunately in front of us no one is accountable and the government spends the money at its discretion. This is a robbery.

[blackhawkeye1912]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not a theft, it is legally by laws of the government of each nation except in middle east country. Which I don't see any wrong with it. because it is also written in the Bible that we need to pay tax, like what Jesus said give to ceasar to ceasar and to god is to God.

[Lieldoryn]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not a theft, it is legally by laws of the government of each nation except in middle east country. Which I don't see any wrong with it. because it is also written in the Bible that we need to pay tax, like what Jesus said give to ceasar to ceasar and to god is to God.

The Bible says about tithing. Do you know what percentage? If for you it will be easier to be perceived, then anything more than 10% it is theft.

[crwth]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not a theft, it is legally by laws of the government of each nation except in middle east country. Which I don't see any wrong with it. because it is also written in the Bible that we need to pay tax, like what Jesus said give to ceasar to ceasar and to god is to God.

The Bible says about tithing. Do you know what percentage? If for you it will be easier to be perceived, then anything more than 10% it is theft.

I think it's better to think that there are no percentages to give, you just have to give what you can and wholeheartedly give it not just half, it should be whole. It will depend on what the other people would do with it.

[Sithara007]

Taxes is not theft, it is robbery. When we pay our money we should know what they will be spent. Unfortunately in front of us no one is accountable and the government spends the money at its discretion. This is a robbery.

The tax money we are paying are used for buying BMWs for the politicians and to wage wars. For example, the United States is invading third world nations such as Syria and Libya using the tax payer money, although a majority of the citizens remain opposed to these invasions.

[mainpmf]

If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

Donating to charity should be an independent decision.

I wouldn't want to live in a society where citizens only pay taxes because they fear punishment.

Lol because you know anyone willingly paying taxes?

[Razzoel]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Well, at least they use it for something productive in society. Because we need things like street lights or else nobody would build those. Also we need police, because not everyone is a trained assassin to defend themselves. I'm all for less tax though!

[BADecker]

Why Taxation is Slavery: Words From Frederick Douglass

Slavery is being forced to work against your will for the benefit of your master, your owner. The only reason they own the products of your labor is because they own you. If you had exclusive control over what is done to and with your body, the most basic right of self-ownership, you would not owe anybody your labor.

So then a lesser percentage of forced labor is also slavery, though to an obviously lesser degree.

Whether a cent or a million dollars is taken without consent, it is theft. And if someone forces you to work for them 1% of the time, or 100% of a time, that is still slavery.

Frederick Douglass was a slave, by any reckoning. So it is interesting to read his own words, on having his rightfully earned wages taken by force. In his book My Bondage and My Freedom, Douglass laments the state of his servitude, that all his hard work is confiscated from him.

Besides, I was now getting—as I have said—a dollar and fifty cents per day. I contracted for it, worked for it, earned it, collected it; it was paid to me, and it was rightfully my own; and yet, upon every returning Saturday night, this money—my own hard earnings, every cent of it—was demanded of me, and taken from me by Master Hugh. He did not earn it; he had no hand in earning it; why, then, should he have it? I owed him nothing.

Read more at http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/why-taxation-is-slavery-words-from-frederick-douglass/.

[sergio red]

Why taxation is theft?.
At first you need to realize that you belong to a country or state. All of your responsibility go to the authority of respective office. So you have to pay them for caring of you. Why are they bound to pay service without getting payment?.
So I don't agree with you on this point.

[BADecker]

Why taxation is theft?.
At first you need to realize that you belong to a country or state. All of your responsibility go to the authority of respective office. So you have to pay them for caring of you. Why are they bound to pay service without getting payment?.
So I don't agree with you on this point.

Just remember what a "state" is. It is paperwork. The state can do nothing of itself.

How does a state become able to do something? It is activated by people. Only when state people become active does the state do anything.

This means that it is people against people. It is people of the state against people not of the state.

Why don't state people have to obey people who are not of the state - in state office? The people in office should pay the people who are not.

This shows how foolish it is to have taxation. Taxation is simply one group of people taking money from another group. It is stealing if the people don't want to pay, but are forced to. It isn't taxation if the people willingly giver; then it is donation.

All governments are simply people. Why should they get the money of people not in government? Taxation is theft.

[Seccerius]

With taxes the issue is very interesting on the one hand the state exists at the expense of taxation of citizens on the other hand people lose a lot of money without getting anything in return the best with Bitcoin users do not pay any taxes can This is correct or not?

[coolcoinz]

With taxes the issue is very interesting on the one hand the state exists at the expense of taxation of citizens on the other hand people lose a lot of money without getting anything in return the best with Bitcoin users do not pay any taxes can This is correct or not?

I always thought of it as theft for one simple reason. It's not voluntary.
If I could say I won't pay taxes and I won't use any services we couldn't call it theft, but if you can be jailed for not paying it's nothing more than abuse.
There should be a way to allow people to pay taxes only to their local governments. They would be able to track the money flow and see what actually is being done, but it won't be done because it's harder to steal.

[Eternu]

I do not thing it is theft. Why i do not consider it theft, well because you live in some country that needs to protect you. To protect your own property and stuff. And for that country needs money, so we pay a little sum for protection of our country. Also we need rules, and country provide that too. Imagine what would happen if it was every man for him self... yes its not fun

[coolcoinz]

I do not thing it is theft. Why i do not consider it theft, well because you live in some country that needs to protect you. To protect your own property and stuff. And for that country needs money, so we pay a little sum for protection of our country. Also we need rules, and country provide that too. Imagine what would happen if it was every man for him self... yes its not fun

Making people pay for protection is called extorting. Gangsters thought about it long time ago.
How would you react if I came to you and told you I'll protect you for cash and if you don't pay I'll take your home and put you in jail? Would you feel bullied?

Rules... you pay for them to be established and then get screwed by them.
Example? Your taxes are funding the police, you oppose a newly established policy, go to a protest and get beaten by the police, sprayed with gas and shot with rubber bullets. Did you just pay someone to beat you up?

[laissezfaire]

When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."

So, we should descend into anarchy?

And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?

Simple correction... Ascend.  Ascend into Anarchy.  Anarchy would be an improvement.  People do not need people to walked them through life, hand grasped by momma government.

Theft, rape, murder, fraud and acting like apes is already a rampant problem.  Getting political power out of corrupt individuals' hands and dismantling the institutions that produce perverse incentives would actually alleviate societies from the problematic behaviors aforementioned.

Taxation IS theft, due primarily to the lack of choice you get in the matter.  Yes, one may benefit funds that were previously stolen from someone else, but that doesn't make the thievery right in any way.

I recommend anyone interested in learning more about this topic, to consider watching a video on youtube called, "George Ought to Help" by a producer called BitButter.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

[Mometaskers]

The alternative to not having to pay taxes is to pay for everything out of your pocket. Sure, you might still have insurance, but would you be able to pay for your own police force and army, or construct road for your car to drive on?

I don't have problems with paying taxes provided they were:

1. Sane, I wouldn't want to have crazy stuff like Russia's beard tax from the old days.

2. Appropriate, rate would be something someone in my situation would be able to pay and everyone pay their fair share.

3. Strictly monitored, no sense paying taxes if they're just gonna be stolen.