Is taxation theft?

[freeyourmind]

An average cop in north america makes over $80,000. Now add in all the prosecutors, probation officers, judges, sheriffs, bail bondsmen, not to mention all the federal law enforcers and politicians. It's very clear to see that they don't plan on cutting their own consumption any time soon. And why would they, when they can simply print more money to keep the masses happy and well-fed? Why would they suffer themselves when they can just build more prisons, pass new laws, and amend previous laws?


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On top of that, our traffic cops have quotas on the number of tickets they need to issue.

Step 1 - build poor transportation infrastructure to cause a traffic jam
Step 2 - decrease the speed limit after the traffic jam
Step 3 - set up a hidden speed trap with a radar

Now everyone is safe right...god forbid they let those criminals actually get to work or back home on their commute without a penalty

Meanwhile a pedophile goes unnoticed.

[1kosmos12]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?

How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?

Hmm... Hellooooooo?
Are you even aware that taxation does NOT fund healthcare in USA?
That's exactly what I'm talking about...

The Medicare is partially financed through a special tax on all employees, a certain percentage of which they pay themselves, the other to the employer. In General, this tax is about 15 % of the income of employed Americans of the United States. The other part of Medicare is financed from General income tax revenues. And then there is Medicaid.

[wolfracer]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?

How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?

Hmm... Hellooooooo?
Are you even aware that taxation does NOT fund healthcare in USA?
That's exactly what I'm talking about...

The Medicare is partially financed through a special tax on all employees, a certain percentage of which they pay themselves, the other to the employer. In General, this tax is about 15 % of the income of employed Americans of the United States. The other part of Medicare is financed from General income tax revenues. And then there is Medicaid.

There are more programs or politics like medicare, taxation are used to do a lot of improvement and investment for a country.

[CrownPolly]

Taxes are a defect of humanity, because even in ancient times rulers plundered their people with taxes, and today the situation repeats with the same accuracy.

[BADecker]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?

How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?

Hmm... Hellooooooo?
Are you even aware that taxation does NOT fund healthcare in USA?
That's exactly what I'm talking about...

The Medicare is partially financed through a special tax on all employees, a certain percentage of which they pay themselves, the other to the employer. In General, this tax is about 15 % of the income of employed Americans of the United States. The other part of Medicare is financed from General income tax revenues. And then there is Medicaid.

There are more programs or politics like medicare, taxation are used to do a lot of improvement and investment for a country.

Invest in the country in which I live, if you want. But don't steal my property from me to do it.

[countryfree]

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

So if you got a basic income and you get a cancer, treatment costing about 2 or 3 millions, how do you do?
You die?
Because it doesn't matter how hard you work or how honest you are, you can't get 3 millions normal way.

So, you die. What's wrong with that?
I don't get it that plenty of people believe the human race is some kind of a superior species with a given right to well-being, healthcare, housing, food, etc...

[Lancusters]

Taxes are a defect of humanity, because even in ancient times rulers plundered their people with taxes, and today the situation repeats with the same accuracy.

This happens because people have not learned to control the power. Taxes can not live with no state, but there are no mechanisms of control over the flow of public money. Maybe because they are not enough on all programs.

[nfcmgjh]

On the one side, nobody disputes that taxes are handled poorly by governments and usually administered by assholes who consider it their duty to terrorize citizens into paying taxes.

On the other side though, is that some taxes are spent well, even if most are not.

People should have a line item veto for what taxes are spent on, but at this point the concept of taxation has turned into such a dark subject that some people would rather have no services than good services https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/us/anti-tax-fervor-roseburg-oregon-.html

[Sithara007]

On the one side, nobody disputes that taxes are handled poorly by governments and usually administered by assholes who consider it their duty to terrorize citizens into paying taxes.

On the other side though, is that some taxes are spent well, even if most are not.

People should have a line item veto for what taxes are spent on, but at this point the concept of taxation has turned into such a dark subject that some people would rather have no services than good services https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/us/anti-tax-fervor-roseburg-oregon-.html

Defense spending is the most controversial of them all. For example, the majority of the American taxpayers remain opposed to spending the tax revenue on reckless invasions of third world nations, such as Iraq and Libya.

[mainpmf]

So if you got a basic income and you get a cancer, treatment costing about 2 or 3 millions, how do you do?
You die?
Because it doesn't matter how hard you work or how honest you are, you can't get 3 millions normal way.

So, you die. What's wrong with that?
I don't get it that plenty of people believe the human race is some kind of a superior species with a given right to well-being, healthcare, housing, food, etc...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Omg man I keep your comment it's beautiful!
Thanks man

In fact human race is a kind of normal species and you know what happens in normal species if one member wants to keep every ressource of the group?

[youdamushi]

So, you die. What's wrong with that?
I don't get it that plenty of people believe the human race is some kind of a superior species with a given right to well-being, healthcare, housing, food, etc...

Yeah clearly humans aren't special at all.
Nooooooooooooooot at all. Says the guy behind his computer writing on the net.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT SPECIAL!

You're the kind of guy explaining that "this is not natural" while using a computer or a smartphone...

[BADecker]

So, you die. What's wrong with that?
I don't get it that plenty of people believe the human race is some kind of a superior species with a given right to well-being, healthcare, housing, food, etc...

Yeah clearly humans aren't special at all.
Nooooooooooooooot at all. Says the guy behind his computer writing on the net.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT SPECIAL!

You're the kind of guy explaining that "this is not natural" while using a computer or a smartphone...

Clearly humans are extremely special. In what way?

God built the whole universe for us.

God gave us the ability to manipulate His strength so we could have free will... we weren't strong enough to do the least of anything on our own.

When we used God's strength to aim everything towards destruction, God gave us a way out - called Jesus salvation - but still didn't take our free will away.

We are the children of God. We are tiny infants, more like embryos, not even fetuses. It will take us all eternity to be like our Parent. But when we become like Him, even eternity will be as nothing for us regarding the strength and ability we will have.

Come and join us as brothers and sisters, children of God, and take up your place in the greatness of things.

[bravehearth0319]

Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others.

Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.

I will support your statement that taxation is not a
Theft, actually it is a legal matter even in the bible it is written there that we need to pay for tax to our government.

[BADecker]

Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others.

Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.

I will support your statement that taxation is not a
Theft, actually it is a legal matter even in the bible it is written there that we need to pay for tax to our government.

Along with Bible support for taxes is Bible support for obeying the laws of your country.

The US Constitution says no un-apportioned taxes. The income tax is an excise tax that operates like an un-apportioned tax. Thus, it is a tax that uses a legal loophole to make it work, but also one that is against the spirit of the founding documents.

But, in America there is deeper law than that. America is a "private property" country. Taxation takes private property away from people. The only reason why people lose in court is, a few Government people have found how to use the law in ways that the people don't understand. If the people all understood what Karl Lentz (http://www.broadmind.org/ - Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz Common law"), personal taxation would be gone.

If personal taxation were gone, Government would have to get its money from the legal places - taxes on interstate transportation, and on USA import/export. Government would shrink, jobs would come back to America, and America would become the strongest nation in the world, economically, again.

So, it is the criminal taxation in America that is stealing from people and bringing the whole nation down.

[BADecker]

America is a "private property" country.

As soon as the banks start handing out mortgages and free money, there's no such thing as private property any more. Socialism and communism lead back to the jungle.

Taxation takes private property away from people.

If you want free health care and pleasure and comfort, somebody has to pay.

Whatever you get, somebody has to make it or do it for you. Be honorable. Buy it. Don't steal the money from others through taxation. Rather, work for what you get, and buy it.

[Cazkys]

America is a "private property" country.

As soon as the banks start handing out mortgages and free money, there's no such thing as private property any more. Socialism and communism lead back to the jungle.

Taxation takes private property away from people.

If you want free health care and pleasure and comfort, somebody has to pay.

Whatever you get, somebody has to make it or do it for you. Be honorable. Buy it. Don't steal the money from others through taxation. Rather, work for what you get, and buy it.

Alright but sometimes taxation is just to maintain the wealth of a country economically. To also avoid all the money from being exported to other countries. Taxation also is a means to get budget in order to help the citizens. But there are really others who avoid taxes and the main example here is th church. I don't have something bad against them i just use them as an example. And we can notice it is rich in many ways.

[Okurkabinladin]

Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others.

Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.

I will support your statement that taxation is not a
Theft, actually it is a legal matter even in the bible it is written there that we need to pay for tax to our government.

Cant speak for United States, but in Europe overwhelming majority of fees and taxes are being redistributed to welfare and health care with only about 5% used on defense.

That doesnt mean "means justify the end" however. Vast governments (with as much as 10% of population directly employed by it) consume alot of tax revenue just to sustain itself, also the concept of "social justice" take precedence before both families and God in these secular countries. What does it mean in practice is complete disconnect between those who are net givers and those who are only takers. Basically, putting the former into the role of unwilling slaves.

This obssesion with equality of results and not opportunities took alot of vitality and life out of Europe.

[nfcmgjh]

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Defense spending is the most controversial of them all. For example, the majority of the American taxpayers remain opposed to spending the tax revenue on reckless invasions of third world nations, such as Iraq and Libya.

The money spent invading Iraq could have bought cheap housing for 90% of America's homeless, and still be money left over to feed 10 million hungry people in the 3rd world for 10 years. Pulled those numbers out of my ass but they are probably close.

[freeyourmind]

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Defense spending is the most controversial of them all. For example, the majority of the American taxpayers remain opposed to spending the tax revenue on reckless invasions of third world nations, such as Iraq and Libya.

The money spent invading Iraq could have bought cheap housing for 90% of America's homeless, and still be money left over to feed 10 million hungry people in the 3rd world for 10 years. Pulled those numbers out of my ass but they are probably close.

A couple years ago, I heard that the cost of eliminating world hunger was $30 billion a year.  US "defense" spending is at $700 billion currently I believe.  And lol @ using the word defense, when it none of it takes place on US soil...everything is initiating offence on foreign soil.

Not sure how many people aren't getting adequate food and water, but one year without making guns, bombs, tanks and fighter jets...would give approximately 23 years of food and clean water...and probably a sustainable infrastructure that could provide it for even longer (water filtration + farming infrastructure).  But who needs that when you have the mother of all bombs?

[mainpmf]

America is a "private property" country.

As soon as the banks start handing out mortgages and free money, there's no such thing as private property any more. Socialism and communism lead back to the jungle.

Taxation takes private property away from people.

If you want free health care and pleasure and comfort, somebody has to pay.

Whatever you get, somebody has to make it or do it for you. Be honorable. Buy it. Don't steal the money from others through taxation. Rather, work for what you get, and buy it.

And if you work hard but can't pay simply because the cost is above what a normal human can pay, then die.
No one cares if you got a cancer.
No one will pay for you and help you.
So just take you and your cancer and go die somewhere else.

And it's socialists who are the savages