Is taxation theft?

[Beli99]

It can be both ways if the goverment isnt corrupt and the money goes to right places than its good thing to pay tax offcourse,but if tax is use for personal greed of several individuals that can manipulate with it then its robbing your own people and i think in the world we still have a lot of corrupt countrys that use that tax money for opposite things than to improve their standards of country

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[Squishy01]

Well first off sir, society won't run without taxes. Taxes are basically the oil that makes the government and civilization run--no matter how smoothly or roughly, but it makes it work.

Answering your question, well I believe it depends on the situation. If the government uses the taxes for what it's meant to be used for (i.e. healthcare, infrastructure, education, insurance, roads and highways) then it is not theft.

However, we know there lots of corrupt politicians out there who take advantage of the system for their selfish needs. When people like them are put into power, then that is when taxation becomes theft.

But to conclude, my point is we -society- can never survive without taxes. It is not a matter of choice--it is there and will always be there. The real problem is how to make it useful for all of us and not let corrupt politicians have their way.

[Breanne]

No, I do not think that way. First, governments need money to build roads, schools and hospitals. One way to get that money is to tax businesses and people. When you leave in developed countries, you know that the quality of the infrastructures is good. People in poor countries will not be able to say the same. It is a fact. Infrastructures in those countries are really bad and even some do not have decent hospitals. There, governments do not earn enough tax money. For that reason, the quality of public service is a shame. Secondly, taxation helps us build a better society. Not everybody is rich. Well, wealthy people can help others by paying some extra taxes. All this is good, biblical and wise. I see nothing wrong with the system.

What you say makes sense. Thanks!

[Elwar]

The answer is:

Whatever my tax funded school taught me.

[mbiticles200]

Tax in itself isn't really a bad thing. I actually feel it goes a long way to help improve lives of resident citizens. But what really gets on my nerves is when governments try to find ways and means of ripping people off all in the name of tax collection. Take for instance a country like Ghana, you pay quite a lot to be able to import a car into the country but surprisingly, the government there has decided to charge a luxury vehicle tax. You pay taxes for vehicles with over 3.0ltrs engines every year on top of what was spent during importation. How on earth do you determine à car to be luxurious purely from the engine capacity? That to me is plain cold stealing.

[Elwar]

Governments enable collusion, especially in the US, by making entry into a market more difficult. Either through regulations, permits, expensive legal hoops to jump through, etc.
Imagine you have a car design that is better and cheaper than all current cars sold. You build the car in your garage and want to start selling and scaling up to full production of these cars. Do you really think you could just set up a factory and start selling them? No. The amount of regulations required to become a car manufacturer is insane. It's almost as if the 3 or 4 auto manufacturers in the country are paying politicians or something. Tesla tried to do it on their own but had to play ball and pay off the government to get to the point of being able to sell cars.
Almost every other industry has permits, required certifications and schooling, etc. These are not for any useful purpose other than keeping out competition.

I currently live in French Polynesia where there are only 3 banks. No new banks can be created due to the amount of regulation requirements to open one. So the 3 banks set the prices on various things very high. It costs about 20% to exchange dollars to francs. And of course, only the banks are allowed to exchange currencies due to government regulations. If there were no government intrusion into money exchanges you'd have people at the airport charging 2-3% just standing there waiting as people get off the plane. You'd have your taxi driver exchanging cash for you. I'd be able to set up a bitcoin exchange here, an ATM at the airport. But it's not allowed.

That makes sense. I guess you sort of have to be a powerhouse already to break into most industries and shake them up. I mean, if you have a lot of money and your main goal is to disrupt an industry, it sounds doable. I can certainly see how it would be more beneficial to have more freedom in starting new businesses. Sometimes it's amazing how deep things go in the government. There are so many restriction at every turn. Probably the only thing I like about spending time in the US is it's competition. You can feel that business are truly competing and competing smart. The leads to better prices for customers and higher quality services.

It does go deep, not just in government but in promises that go back generations.

They say that the countries that advance the fastest are those that just had a revolution and are starting from scratch. They have a clean slate and can move forward as a country without the baggage of backroom deals made decades ago.

[Bugsy22]

It sure is, cause if it weren't, most people in most countries would have a lot higher standards of living and better infrastructure, etc., etc.
Is there a way out of it? I don't know...

[CainCoin]

I believe, yes! And crypto seems to be one of the options to equalize the situation.

[mamacitosi]

For me i dont think if taxation is theft because this is made by the government for so many reasons, not for fraud or any illegal purposes.

[mangjemsy]

Taxation is not a theft unless the government will steal taxes. Taxation is necessary in a nation-state. Tax is a lifeblood of country; because it is needed to make a progress.

[BADecker]

Governments don't need taxes to run. What they need is support, and some of it in the form of money. Where can they get money? Just like all the rest of us: Advertise a benefit; offer the benefit for sale; sell the benefit.

If government did it this way, we could vote for the government that we wanted, simply by how much of their products and services we purchased... and all of it with no taxes.

The "No State Project:"
http://marcstevens.net/
https://www.facebook.com/nostateproject/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCm_TxV6Zow

[Earl Ragnaar]

Well I do not mind any thing about the texation if it is being used for the good purpose. Because it is the and the duty of the present governament to put the tex they collect from the public into good use But one thing I detest about it however is exhausting the more extravagant individuals more. As said previously, you can't make the poor more extravagant by making the rich poorer. Proceeding with the great uses, my township doesn't appear to make great utilization of the cash. They remove the easy route from things, yet dump more cash meanwhile. Something as straightforward as the movement lights are pulling a large number of dollars a year only for that.
What's more, they do it as wastefully as workable for all the cash they put in, and it demonstrates in light of the fact that the lights are completely horrendous.

[BADecker]

Well I do not mind any thing about the texation if it is being used for the good purpose. Because it is the and the duty of the present governament to put the tex they collect from the public into good use But one thing I detest about it however is exhausting the more extravagant individuals more. As said previously, you can't make the poor more extravagant by making the rich poorer. Proceeding with the great uses, my township doesn't appear to make great utilization of the cash. They remove the easy route from things, yet dump more cash meanwhile. Something as straightforward as the movement lights are pulling a large number of dollars a year only for that.
What's more, they do it as wastefully as workable for all the cash they put in, and it demonstrates in light of the fact that the lights are completely horrendous.

If you like taxation, then it is a donation for you. So, of course, you WOULD like taxation, which it is for the people who don't want it. After all, then you get some of their money through the government programs you have signed up for.

If it isn't a donation, it is theft, robbery, fraud, and other similar things.

[Elwar]

*beep* *oop* *burp*
*I am a robot*
*taxation is not theft if the government spends the money right*
*end of transmission*
*derp* *fap* *boop*

[MrFeasible]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

I think taxation, as long as it's done right, should hopefully mean regulation in a way that supports investors, rather than penalising. Supportive regulation isn't necessarily a bad thing

[BADecker]

Taxation isn't theft. It's just a percentage of our earnings to contribute to the society.

Pro is opposite of con, like progress is opposite of Congress. Notice con - tribute. No progress when you pay tribute to Congress.

[Blackredeemer]

Governments don't need taxes to run. What they need is support, and some of it in the form of money. Where can they get money? Just like all the rest of us: Advertise a benefit; offer the benefit for sale; sell the benefit.

If government did it this way, we could vote for the government that we wanted, simply by how much of their products and services we purchased... and all of it with no taxes.

The "No State Project:"
http://marcstevens.net/
https://www.facebook.com/nostateproject/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCm_TxV6Zow

Good point.

[BADecker]

Governments don't need taxes to run. What they need is support, and some of it in the form of money. Where can they get money? Just like all the rest of us: Advertise a benefit; offer the benefit for sale; sell the benefit.

If government did it this way, we could vote for the government that we wanted, simply by how much of their products and services we purchased... and all of it with no taxes.

The "No State Project:"
http://marcstevens.net/
https://www.facebook.com/nostateproject/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCm_TxV6Zow

Good point.

Thank you.


TheTinyDot

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[Wizardbizari]

Run George, run... You can run but you cant hide from IRS! 

That's a good one 

[Elwar]

*beep* *oop* *burp*
*I am a robot*
*fear the IRS*
*end of transmission*
*derp* *fap* *boop*