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Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 26371462 times)
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March 07, 2014, 12:14:02 AM

So will BTC be on the cover of the next Newsweek?


Either Satoshi or Bitcoin will be Time's man of the year.... hehehe   Cheesy


By the way, what is CCMF?  Is it "Choo Choo Mother Fucker?"
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March 07, 2014, 12:15:54 AM

So will BTC be on the cover of the next Newsweek?


Either Satoshi or Bitcoin will be Time's man of the year.... hehehe   Cheesy


By the way, what is CCMF?  Is it "Choo Choo Mother Fucker?"


What about Mark? haha I wonder if mainstream knows Mark Karpelese more than Satoshi.
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March 07, 2014, 12:16:17 AM

DAILY CROSS!
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March 07, 2014, 12:19:15 AM

DAILY CROSS!
This was always a good indicator in the past for starting rally's. Nice.
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March 07, 2014, 12:31:42 AM

today was a low volume day

~10,230 coins were traded for ~6,800,000$

price ranged from 675 - 650


i'm pretty sure depth on both sides is meaningless

You nailed it.
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March 07, 2014, 12:34:27 AM

who the fuck is hodling the bitch up at 660 Huh so its all goverment controlled already?


Personally, I do NOT believe that this BTC price matter is govt controlled.    What I believe happens, is that a wall is created... for example at $700, and then the wall creator, whale, manipulates to make it appear that there is a lot of selling resistance,  and then he allows build up of sellers to build up until all of a sudden he will pull the wall and also probably stimulate sales incrementally and the price will go up. He then cashes in on a lot of those sold BTC and then puts up another wall.. maybe at 700 or some other amount that the market will NOT easily penetrate... rinse and repeat ... these whales are making a killing... and they do so within the parameters of what we, as a conglomerate, are willing to pay for BTC.



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March 07, 2014, 12:39:52 AM

who the fuck is hodling the bitch up at 660 Huh so its all goverment controlled already?


Personally, I do NOT believe that this BTC price matter is govt controlled.    What I believe happens, is that a wall is created... for example at $700, and then the wall creator, whale, manipulates to make it appear that there is a lot of selling resistance,  and then he allows build up of sellers to build up until all of a sudden he will pull the wall and also probably stimulate sales incrementally and the price will go up. He then cashes in on a lot of those sold BTC and then puts up another wall.. maybe at 700 or some other amount that the market will NOT easily penetrate... rinse and repeat ... these whales are making a killing... and they do so within the parameters of what we, as a conglomerate, are willing to pay for BTC.


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March 07, 2014, 12:41:01 AM

13BTC at 666

NOT GOOD!!!!!
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March 07, 2014, 12:47:17 AM

The AP story is out:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-man-denies-hes-bitcoin-founder
Apparently they had a two hour interview with Nakamoto where he denied being bitcoin's Satoshi...not sure what else could have been said in two hours?  Huh
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March 07, 2014, 12:48:38 AM

The AP story is out:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-man-denies-hes-bitcoin-founder
Apparently they had a two hour interview with Nakamoto where he denied being bitcoin's Satoshi...not sure what else could have been said in two hours?  Huh

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March 07, 2014, 12:54:28 AM

hopefully that...ahem..."reporter" loses her job and ends up pole dancing for crack money

in other news

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March 07, 2014, 01:00:58 AM

Interesting choice of words. Denies "being the creator of Bitcoin"...

We all know bitcoin evolved. Only the cultist wing-nuts believe it was created.

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I believe that my thinking is kind of aligning with yours on this point... maybe the longer we read each other's posts the more our thinking aligns... hehehe...

Surely there was some early creations that became inspirational to the evolution of bitcoin... and the evolution does seem kind of fanciful, when one thinks back upon it...... and whether some of the story or the lore of bitcoin is true may NOT be relevant - however, these kinds of stories will be used by pro and by cons to argue their points or even to argue concerning the original intent... and the direction that we should go with bitcoin.

 The white paper does describe aspects of the original intent, and maybe some of those concepts within the white paper will have to evolve to in order to adapt bitcoin to the real world bitcoin application and maybe unexpected turns of events that may take place, to the extent that the unexpected may come about?  Yes... evolution .. NOT creation.. . hehehe
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March 07, 2014, 01:16:21 AM

today was a low volume day

~10,230 coins were traded for ~6,800,000$

price ranged from 675 - 650


i'm pretty sure depth on both sides is meaningless

How can depth be meaningless? The ask end filled, the bid side didnt.

You mean people are expecting it to break out? So they placing more orders? I would say the depth is more meaningful, when the price of the order is realistictly reachable in a couple of hours.

But this now 7300btc to 700$ might hard to beat, but maybe some of them get pulled...

whats going to make it break is when suddenly the mini walls on the front lines won't be replaced when filled

coming soon...

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YEAH... and the whales pull some of these walls (under their control) on purpose b/c they want to buy up those orders and move the price upward and suck up all those coins


But this now 7300btc to 700$ might hard to beat, but maybe some of them get pulled...

How will this look when we are at $3000-$4000 per BTC? Impossible for me...

It will look the same or at least very similar, just less volatile b/c it takes 5 times more fiat to manipulate.



So will BTC be on the cover of the next Newsweek?


Either Satoshi or Bitcoin will be Time's man of the year.... hehehe   Cheesy


By the way, what is CCMF?  Is it "Choo Choo Mother Fucker?"


What about Mark? haha I wonder if mainstream knows Mark Karpelese more than Satoshi.


Yeah... that is why we had that sword picture of Mark stabbing Satoshi b/c Mark considers Satoshi to be his competition ... that fucking evil little brat!!!









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March 07, 2014, 01:20:12 AM

13BTC at 666

NOT GOOD!!!!!

666 is considered an extremely lucky number in China. Just to get some perspective.
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March 07, 2014, 01:36:02 AM

unless you're a shareholder (or investor) then you don't get to see the report [of a company]. 
That does not change the fact that the report was not published; it only gives an excuse for it.

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However the sort of audit we are discussing here verifies the viability/solvency of the institution and I don't see too many banks publishing that kind of information.  Where can I see that my bank can honour all deposits if the account holders choose to withdraw ?
Banks don't have to be solvent in that sense, unfortunately.  However, they must keep a certain fraction in the central bank, and the government audits them (or should audit them) to make sure that they do.

Banks have extremely detailed internal accounting procedures, with multiple checks and records, to prevent their own staff from embezzling their money.  They may cheat on the government in many other ways, but AFAIK not by doctoring their books.

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I suggest for an exchange to be solvent A-X should be positive and so should B-Y.
Essentially all account holders should be able to withdraw 100% of their funds at any time in the currency the balance is held in.
That is certainly the safest policy.  However an exchange could keep clients' EURs as USDs or treasury bons, for example,  without being technically insolvent.  Of course there would be a risk of it becoming insolvent if the currency rates change too fast in the wrong direction. If it did that with BTC x USD, that risk would be enormous; but that would not make it insolvent either.

To avoid those risks, clients should make sure that the company at least promises to keep their BTC as BTC, in the service contract. Which ones make such promise?

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Any assets/liabilities (bank loans, investments, etc etc) relate to the profitability of the company and is a separate balance sheet.
No, a real audit must include everything, otherwise it is worthless.  If the exchange has just enough funds to cover the cilent balances, but also owes 100 million USD to a bank, then it is insolvent.  The clients do not have priority over the bank, they are all creditors.

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[ By moving the coins, Bitstamp ] proved they have access to the private keys of wallets totalling 194,933 BTC.
We have their word that this represents "A" and is the balance held to honour customer accounts.

Depending on how the auditing was done, they did not even prove that they have access to the private keys.  Here is how the fictitious Bitscamex-e echange, which sold all their coins to Graball Investments, still "proved" to the auditor that they owned them.  (If half a billion dollars were at stake, I am sure much cleverer schemes could be set up.)

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I would hope that they found X by adding up all the customer balances where the currency is BTC.
They would also need to account for trades sitting on the exchange of course but this should be trivial.
But who provided them with the client balances?  Presumably the exchange has a single database of account balances, without the extensive checks and redundancies that banks have.   It shouldn't be hard to "prune" such a database by leaving out inactive accounts with positive balance.  How would the auditor check whether the database is complete?
 
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The letter does not mention B and Y.

But they did.... well for USD at least so I admit there's no mention of the EUR balance but I think that's their primary Fiat balances covered.

"The report identified that Bitstamp held 100% of validated BTC balance and USD funds."

Read that sentence CAREFULLY and try figure out what it EXACTLY means; why they used those words, specifically,  and why the words are in that order. 

It may help to think what the auditor could say that he meant, if he were to be questioned in court after an eventual collapse of Bitstamp.  Wink
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March 07, 2014, 01:36:56 AM

13BTC at 666

NOT GOOD!!!!!

666 is considered an extremely lucky number in China. Just to get some perspective.

this is very reassuring
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March 07, 2014, 01:40:14 AM

It's not him. http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/m/discussion?id=2003008%3ATopic%3A9402Satoshi replied.
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March 07, 2014, 01:48:36 AM


No way..
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March 07, 2014, 01:49:29 AM


you are joking doesn't he have need to use his PGP key or something?
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March 07, 2014, 01:51:23 AM

Also, bitcoinwisdom is absolute garbage and I wish people would stop using it.

Oops, would you care to elaborate, please?  What part of it is "garbage"?  The order book summary?

(One complaint I have is that it uses my local time and date for display, but sumarizes traffic into UTC intervals; so the total for Mar/03 00:00-23:59 UTC, say, is labeled "Mar/02 21:00" on my screen.  Is that the problem?)
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