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[JayJuanGee]

However, it involves the government propping up financial institutions or big companies or "protecting" the military and police and private property, that is called democracy and capitalism... which is a "good" thing....

That would be crony capitalism, which is equally evil.

I'm from Europe and I completely agree. France is the last country in Europe I'd want to live. They`re basically communists. And yes stealing the wealth of people actually contributing to the country is indeed a bad thing. Very few people in my country agree

distributing money to the people does NOT sound like a bad thing... especially considering the other extreme could be attempting to privatize public goods... there is such a thing as public goods and there is such a thing as privatizing what should be public goods.

I could not disagree more. Public goods should not exist. All public goods are stolen, directly or indirectly.

Yeah, right....  Sounds as if you have some pretty incomplete thinking about what is a public good and what should be a public good.  I would hate to have someone with your kind of thinking in charge of balancing community needs.

Who owns the air and water, for example?  Should air and water, for example, be privately owned?

[JayJuanGee]

distributing money to the people does NOT sound like a bad thing

It is.  Central planning is notoriously bad at predicting where capital needs to be invested.  It leads to massive inefficiencies, which usually means a slower economy, loss of jobs, and poorer conditions for the working class.  Distribution of money by those in government is a form of central planning.  Individuals and small groups of people are simply not good at knowing where to invest.

A truly free market will perform much better than central planners.  Note that crony capitalists need not apply.  They are just as bad as central planners, picking out businesses to receive money instead of individuals.

Who said anything about central planning?

I mentioned that distribution of money to the people does NOT sound like a bad thing... Of course, such distribution is going to depend on context and degree...  The devil is likely in the details.

[wachtwoord]

we can do the same; we just have to pay our workers like they re chinese. Check the hartz laws, why do you talk economy if you don t even know how your neighbor shits

i m not nationalist, i fugg with em every day

htown? you are from france and you live in Houston?

I am currently in Paris but i was in Houston for five years -for work-. American industry love french ppl because they work, and they work good......

anyway, im not a fuggin nationalist, im just aware of the strenght of my country. Because i read from everywhere, and not only in plotist blogshit like hdbuck ^^ peace ^^

and when i read "lepen in 2017 plus civil war" from a french i want to cry ^^

However, it involves the government propping up financial institutions or big companies or "protecting" the military and police and private property, that is called democracy and capitalism... which is a "good" thing....

That would be crony capitalism, which is equally evil.

I'm from Europe and I completely agree. France is the last country in Europe I'd want to live. They`re basically communists. And yes stealing the wealth of people actually contributing to the country is indeed a bad thing. Very few people in my country agree

which country is that if i may ask?

I bet on Denmark, the country where fuggin with animals is okay
burn this shit

Netherlands (and no, fucking animals is no longer legal).

[lolbtc]

Netherlands, weird folk too

how can you say its bad to distribute money to ppl, its not about throwing money to ppl who don t want to work. If you don t work you have like 400€, tuna pasta errday, enjoy your life ^^
oh god i want to buy a buggati for my son's 18 but i have to wait one more mounth because my employees needs to get paid its rly hard to be rich in france
one of the biggest france s problem is the "larbins". They want to protect the rich at all cost even if they re not rich and will never be. Sad, livin through them, like if they deserve to be poor and are okay with that. SAD TRUTH.

It s about creating free hospital or school

the problem of the world is usa (and its not new), they do what they want, just look what they do in argentina, or what they did to france with these fuggers of bnp. Wait till europa says fugg you us, we will laugh rly hard


BACKLASH YO

[wachtwoord]

Netherlands, weird folk too

how can you say its bad to distribute money to ppl, its not about throwing money to ppl who don t want to work. If you don t work you have like 400€, tuna pasta errday, enjoy your life ^^

It s about creating free hospital or school

the problem of the world is usa (and its not new), they do what they want, just look what they do in argentina. Wait till europa says fugg you us, we will laugh rly hard

Because they steal it from people. If they want to give money to people because they 'deserve' it they should try giving their own and not mine.

[lolbtc]

they steal LOL

they steal what ? You are rich because french are heavy consumers, because they re educated.
You are not rich but you have a free education. Quality education, how the fugg they steal you ?

ALL IS LINKED. BUTTERFLY EFFECT

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Dotto]

We know that America is bankrupt, the economy is wobbly, and that the Stock Markets are completely over-inflated, also that Russia and China are breaking away from the dollar.  So why not start a major war and use the conflict to re-correct the economy and steal the gas?  Blaming the economy crash on war and betting on the crash by selling days before it crashes.

Remember all wars are bankers wars.



http://www.waykiwayki.com/2014/07/mh17-war-economy.html

[JayJuanGee]

Netherlands, weird folk too

how can you say its bad to distribute money to ppl, its not about throwing money to ppl who don t want to work. If you don t work you have like 400€, tuna pasta errday, enjoy your life ^^

It s about creating free hospital or school

the problem of the world is usa (and its not new), they do what they want, just look what they do in argentina. Wait till europa says fugg you us, we will laugh rly hard

Because they steal it from people. If they want to give money to people because they 'deserve' it they should try giving their own and not mine.

Everybody needs to pay their fair share in order to protect the public goods and to safeguard various  public values and interests, and what is the fair share will vary depending upon how the people choose... Your complaining about  your paying too much or about your being robbed seems to be your having a perspective problem and your lack of being in touch with the values of public goods, values and interests

[hdbuck]

there doesn't exist a good financial system yet, whether in the USA or EU or Asian countries or even Arabic countries.... the real system that could serve all parties fairly is yet to exist, and I believe that we are not far away from it, however, it is funny because choosing between capitalism or socialism is like choosing between slavery or constant rape.... there is no reason to defend the actual systems but finding a way for a better system is what everyone should be seeking.


To be honest, IMHO I feel that we are at a very critical point that will change the picture of the world in the next 10 -20 years, it will be so different from today and I don't mean technologically, but the world leadership, policy making, map borders, region influence....

I suspect/hope this new system to be something close to Amir Taaki's anarchy theory (i like to call it DWO as in Decentralized World Order ^^):

We dont need to seek approval from a higher power, from a central party that is responsible for allocating and managing our lives. Because we believe we can do it better. Ourselves. We can serve our needs better when we do it between ourselves. We need to be responsible because, at the end of the day, if you are going to go to some mafia and ask them to be responsible for your life, they are always going to look after themselves and their friends and their people first..

Instead to go trough a legal system, with lawyers, and judges, and police, and bureaucrates, and politicians and legislators. Now we can use mathematical laws. And we can disintermediate a huge body of institutions, of power, of greed, to create pure law between people, governed by ourselves, with a mathematicaly undisputable consensus...

But it really have to crash hard in order for people to wake up and wipe that sh*t in bluring their sight so they can make real steps towards such concept.

[Erdogan]

they steal LOL

they steal what ? You are rich because french are heavy consumers, because they re educated.
You are not rich but you have a free education. Quality education, how the fugg they steal you ?

ALL IS LINKED. BUTTERFLY EFFECT

ÉTIENNE DE LA BOÉTIE:

"Roman tyrants . . . provided the city wards with feasts to
cajole the rabble. . . . Tyrants would distribute largesse, a
bushel of wheat, a gallon of wine, and a sesterce: and then
everybody would shamelessly cry, “Long live the King!”
The fools did not realize that they were merely recovering
a portion of their own property, and that their ruler could
not have given them what they were receiving without hav-
ing first taken it from them. A man might one day be pre-
sented with a sesterce and gorge himself at the public feast,
lauding Tiberius and Nero for handsome liberality, who on
the morrow, would be forced to abandon his property to
their avarice, his children to their lust, his very blood to the
cruelty of these magnificent emperors, without offering any
more resistance than a stone or a tree stump. The mob has
always behaved in this way—eagerly open to bribes. . . ."

https://mises.org/rothbard/boetie.pdf

[JayJuanGee]

Netherlands, weird folk too

how can you say its bad to distribute money to ppl, its not about throwing money to ppl who don t want to work. If you don t work you have like 400€, tuna pasta errday, enjoy your life ^^

It s about creating free hospital or school

the problem of the world is usa (and its not new), they do what they want, just look what they do in argentina. Wait till europa says fugg you us, we will laugh rly hard

Because they steal it from people. If they want to give money to people because they 'deserve' it they should try giving their own and not mine.

Everybody needs to pay their fair share in order to protect the public goods and to safeguard various  public values and interests, and what is the fair share will vary depending upon how the people choose... Your complaining about  your paying too much or about your being robbed seems to be your having a perspective problem and your lack of being in touch with the values of public goods, values and interests

1. There are zero public goods
2. 'fair' share? Okay and the masses decide what's fair? lol

Your statement about zero public goods seems to be fogging your thinking and your view of the reality of things in the world and living in various communities...

I already mentioned, in my previous post, air and water as examples of potential public goods, and I asked you to explain the ownership of air and water.  You did NOT respond to that post.   

Additionally, there are a lot of other examples of potential public goods, values and interests, but I wanted to start with something easy, something tangible , real and concrete, since likely it appears that we have to go back to 5 year-old thinking b/c based on your previously made conclusory comments regarding the lack of public goods, you seem to be having some difficulties with more abstract ideas.

[empowering]

[hdbuck]

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[JayJuanGee]

Netherlands, weird folk too

how can you say its bad to distribute money to ppl, its not about throwing money to ppl who don t want to work. If you don t work you have like 400€, tuna pasta errday, enjoy your life ^^

It s about creating free hospital or school

the problem of the world is usa (and its not new), they do what they want, just look what they do in argentina. Wait till europa says fugg you us, we will laugh rly hard

Because they steal it from people. If they want to give money to people because they 'deserve' it they should try giving their own and not mine.

Everybody needs to pay their fair share in order to protect the public goods and to safeguard various  public values and interests, and what is the fair share will vary depending upon how the people choose... Your complaining about  your paying too much or about your being robbed seems to be your having a perspective problem and your lack of being in touch with the values of public goods, values and interests

1. There are zero public goods
2. 'fair' share? Okay and the masses decide what's fair? lol

Your statement about zero public goods seems to be fogging your thinking and your view of the reality of things in the world and living in various communities...

I already mentioned, in my previous post, air and water as examples of potential public goods, and I asked you to explain the ownership of air and water.  You did NOT respond to that post.   

Additionally, there are a lot of other examples of potential public goods, values and interests, but I wanted to start with something easy, something tangible , real and concrete, since likely it appears that we have to go back to 5 year-old thinking b/c based on your previously made conclusory comments regarding the lack of public goods, you seem to be having some difficulties with more abstract ideas.

very simple: everything is private property.

Yes.  Very simple indeed.  That way you do NOT need to think about anything except for your fantasy world.          

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[nioc]

http://youtu.be/d-_DuWWPvKg  
Published on 22 Oct 2013

VERY Interesting interview with R Kurzweil .. also there is a brief bit about Bitcoin and there is some discussion of decentralisation.

Bitcoin @ 4 minutes and 11 minutes  

whole vid is good though.

Exponential perspective.

Anyone watch the video?

Raises hand.  

Fuck virtual.  I like to smell real flowers.  Did you know that every color pansy has a subtlety different smell?
Every cat has a different feel to their fur.

Years ago I had 2 dogs that lived in the city and had only been to the suburbs.  The first time I took them on the 4 hour ride to my country home the following happened.  When we left the city and were in the suburbs their interest went up.  When we got to the country they were very excited, this was the first time experiencing this.  When we turned off the highway and onto the dirt road that followed the stream up the mountain they started to vibrate with excitement.  They knew it was right.  This was the world that they had evolved in since they were blue green algae billions of years ago and it resonated within them.

Currency is an invention of man so having it be virtual is ok because it already was.

[nioc]

Back on topic.  After delaying it several weeks I was forced to sell a small amount.  You should therefore see a price rise.