Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

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[spooderman]

if bitcoin made you poor, you're doing it wrong.

[Mervyn_Pumpkinhead]

I used to think that BTC will experience at least one more bubble before it's final demise, but it doesn't look like it anymore.

I think that the fall of bitcoin will be caused mainly by one of it's biggest flaws - inefficient new coin creation. The bitcoin network has become too expensive to run, and it needs more and more new money to enter, just to sustain it's value. If not enough new money will enter, then mining will start to eat the dollar value of bitcoin. Some miners are claiming that they will temporary cover the losses and wait for better times to sell. Some of them outright lie to support the positive sentiment and some of them actually can cover their losses for a limited time. This also means that their coins will be accumulating together with their losses. This is only building up to an avalanche where the miners can't cover their losses anymore and they have to sell their coins to whatever the price that they can get. When this happens, then the amount of coins that will be thrown at the market will be large enough to destroy any trust that bitcoin still had left.
Cryptocurrencies will live on, but new and better models will take over that have solved the important problems that bitcoin has.

replace bitcoin with government and miners with banks and you'll be spot on.

I don't care much about anti-government agendas and other expressions of teenage rebellion. I care about finding a practical financial tool, that can be used to develop both the finance and the economy. Bitcoin was the first to show that open-sourced monetary systems can be done, and I am thankful for that. But sadly, bitcoin the currency just isn't advanced enough to be used as a practical tool. The blockchain technology can be used as a practical tool to implement into new and better currencies, and the idea of bitcoin can be used as an source of inspiration for new cryptographic innovations.

Bitcoin the currency itself, is just a slot machine, that is shrouded with virtuous looking illusions. People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". The sad thing is, that if they can't see how it's really just a slot machine, then they can't also see that the machine is rigged to create profit for the house - the biggest holders of coin, and the people who run the unregulated exchanges. They have the power to raise or lower the price as they see fit, while having private information about their customers trading methods and habits.
A practical currency should be unattractive for speculative play, so gamblers who cause instability would stay away. A practical currency should be attractive to merchants, and without the need of middlemen like BitPay who take profit for offering stability. The technology can be used to make money efficient  and cheap (the cost of maintaining the monetary system). Bitcoin the currency is far from realizing the potential, and as long as the core devs aren't considering changing PoW mining and fixed coin supply, then I just can't see a way for that to change.

[Wandererfromthenorth]

Fucking nailed it LOL:

In before Shroomskit turns bear once again and pretends that the things he just said about idiots selling and him HODLING never occurred.

LOL!

So where are all those idiots who were cheering for cheap coins all those months?
I don't see your daily posts about how much you are buying anymore. What happened? You stopped "loading up on cheap coins"?

[_biO_]

I used to think that BTC will experience at least one more bubble before it's final demise, but it doesn't look like it anymore.

I think that the fall of bitcoin will be caused mainly by one of it's biggest flaws - inefficient new coin creation. The bitcoin network has become too expensive to run, and it needs more and more new money to enter, just to sustain it's value. If not enough new money will enter, then mining will start to eat the dollar value of bitcoin. Some miners are claiming that they will temporary cover the losses and wait for better times to sell. Some of them outright lie to support the positive sentiment and some of them actually can cover their losses for a limited time. This also means that their coins will be accumulating together with their losses. This is only building up to an avalanche where the miners can't cover their losses anymore and they have to sell their coins to whatever the price that they can get. When this happens, then the amount of coins that will be thrown at the market will be large enough to destroy any trust that bitcoin still had left.
Cryptocurrencies will live on, but new and better models will take over that have solved the important problems that bitcoin has.

replace bitcoin with government and miners with banks and you'll be spot on.

I don't care much about anti-government agendas and other expressions of teenage rebellion. I care about finding a practical financial tool, that can be used to develop both the finance and the economy. Bitcoin was the first to show that open-sourced monetary systems can be done, and I am thankful for that. But sadly, bitcoin the currency just isn't advanced enough to be used as a practical tool. The blockchain technology can be used as a practical tool to implement into new and better currencies, and the idea of bitcoin can be used as an source of inspiration for new cryptographic innovations.

Bitcoin the currency itself, is just a slot machine, that is shrouded with virtuous looking illusions. People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". The sad thing is, that if they can't see how it's really just a slot machine, then they can't also see that the machine is rigged to create profit for the house - the biggest holders of coin, and the people who run the unregulated exchanges. They have the power to raise or lower the price as they see fit, while having private information about their customers trading methods and habits.
A practical currency should be unattractive for speculative play, so gamblers who cause instability would stay away. A practical currency should be attractive to merchants, and without the need of middlemen like BitPay who take profit for offering stability. The technology can be used to make money efficient  and cheap (the cost of maintaining the monetary system). Bitcoin the currency is far from realizing the potential, and as long as the core devs aren't considering changing PoW mining and fixed coin supply, then I just can't see a way for that to change.

So you're in the "blockchain tech is great, but bitcoin is useless" camp?

[Erdogan]

I used to think that BTC will experience at least one more bubble before it's final demise, but it doesn't look like it anymore.

I think that the fall of bitcoin will be caused mainly by one of it's biggest flaws - inefficient new coin creation. The bitcoin network has become too expensive to run, and it needs more and more new money to enter, just to sustain it's value. If not enough new money will enter, then mining will start to eat the dollar value of bitcoin. Some miners are claiming that they will temporary cover the losses and wait for better times to sell. Some of them outright lie to support the positive sentiment and some of them actually can cover their losses for a limited time. This also means that their coins will be accumulating together with their losses. This is only building up to an avalanche where the miners can't cover their losses anymore and they have to sell their coins to whatever the price that they can get. When this happens, then the amount of coins that will be thrown at the market will be large enough to destroy any trust that bitcoin still had left.
Cryptocurrencies will live on, but new and better models will take over that have solved the important problems that bitcoin has.

replace bitcoin with government and miners with banks and you'll be spot on.

I don't care much about anti-government agendas and other expressions of teenage rebellion. I care about finding a practical financial tool, that can be used to develop both the finance and the economy. Bitcoin was the first to show that open-sourced monetary systems can be done, and I am thankful for that. But sadly, bitcoin the currency just isn't advanced enough to be used as a practical tool. The blockchain technology can be used as a practical tool to implement into new and better currencies, and the idea of bitcoin can be used as an source of inspiration for new cryptographic innovations.

Bitcoin the currency itself, is just a slot machine, that is shrouded with virtuous looking illusions. People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". The sad thing is, that if they can't see how it's really just a slot machine, then they can't also see that the machine is rigged to create profit for the house - the biggest holders of coin, and the people who run the unregulated exchanges. They have the power to raise or lower the price as they see fit, while having private information about their customers trading methods and habits.
A practical currency should be unattractive for speculative play, so gamblers who cause instability would stay away. A practical currency should be attractive to merchants, and without the need of middlemen like BitPay who take profit for offering stability. The technology can be used to make money efficient  and cheap (the cost of maintaining the monetary system). Bitcoin the currency is far from realizing the potential, and as long as the core devs aren't considering changing PoW mining and fixed coin supply, then I just can't see a way for that to change.

You haven't seen the light, man!

[oda.krell]

A practical currency should be unattractive for speculative play, so gamblers who cause instability would stay away. A practical currency should be attractive to merchants, and without the need of middlemen like BitPay who take profit for offering stability.

Two words: Forex, and Visa.



Bitcoin is doing fine. The current per unit market value is in a bit of a slump. Not the first time this happened, and probably not the last time.

[cbeast]

I used to think that BTC will experience at least one more bubble before it's final demise, but it doesn't look like it anymore.

I think that the fall of bitcoin will be caused mainly by one of it's biggest flaws - inefficient new coin creation. The bitcoin network has become too expensive to run, and it needs more and more new money to enter, just to sustain it's value. If not enough new money will enter, then mining will start to eat the dollar value of bitcoin. Some miners are claiming that they will temporary cover the losses and wait for better times to sell. Some of them outright lie to support the positive sentiment and some of them actually can cover their losses for a limited time. This also means that their coins will be accumulating together with their losses. This is only building up to an avalanche where the miners can't cover their losses anymore and they have to sell their coins to whatever the price that they can get. When this happens, then the amount of coins that will be thrown at the market will be large enough to destroy any trust that bitcoin still had left.
Cryptocurrencies will live on, but new and better models will take over that have solved the important problems that bitcoin has.

replace bitcoin with government and miners with banks and you'll be spot on.

I don't care much about anti-government agendas and other expressions of teenage rebellion. I care about finding a practical financial tool, that can be used to develop both the finance and the economy. Bitcoin was the first to show that open-sourced monetary systems can be done, and I am thankful for that. But sadly, bitcoin the currency just isn't advanced enough to be used as a practical tool. The blockchain technology can be used as a practical tool to implement into new and better currencies, and the idea of bitcoin can be used as an source of inspiration for new cryptographic innovations.

Bitcoin the currency itself, is just a slot machine, that is shrouded with virtuous looking illusions. People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". The sad thing is, that if they can't see how it's really just a slot machine, then they can't also see that the machine is rigged to create profit for the house - the biggest holders of coin, and the people who run the unregulated exchanges. They have the power to raise or lower the price as they see fit, while having private information about their customers trading methods and habits.
A practical currency should be unattractive for speculative play, so gamblers who cause instability would stay away. A practical currency should be attractive to merchants, and without the need of middlemen like BitPay who take profit for offering stability. The technology can be used to make money efficient  and cheap (the cost of maintaining the monetary system). Bitcoin the currency is far from realizing the potential, and as long as the core devs aren't considering changing PoW mining and fixed coin supply, then I just can't see a way for that to change.

Idle speculation.

Worse. Armchair Philosophy.

[NotLambchop]

...People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". ...

Naah...   You think?

vodka straight up... not for everyone...

oh ya i;m gana puke...

...
LMAO

buy Buy BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NotLambchop]

...
Worse. Armchair Philosophy.

...because REAL philosophizing is done on the football field

[cbeast]

...People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". ...

Naah...   You think?

vodka straight up... not for everyone...

oh ya i;m gana puke...

...
LMAO

buy Buy BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's having chick problems. Give the kid a break.

[NotLambchop]

...People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". ...

Naah...   You think?

vodka straight up... not for everyone...

oh ya i;m gana puke...

...
LMAO

buy Buy BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's having chick problems. Give the kid a break.

His wife left him because Bitcoin.  He still can't stop "investing."  Case in point.

[cbeast]

...
Worse. Armchair Philosophy.

...because REAL philosophizing is done on the football field

You're in real form today. That metaphor was mixed worse than an Appleby's cocktail.

[cbeast]

...People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". ...

Naah...   You think?

vodka straight up... not for everyone...

oh ya i;m gana puke...

...
LMAO

buy Buy BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's having chick problems. Give the kid a break.

His wife left him because Bitcoin.  Case in point.

Thanks Dr Phil.

[buddhamangler]

I used to think that BTC will experience at least one more bubble before it's final demise, but it doesn't look like it anymore.

I think that the fall of bitcoin will be caused mainly by one of it's biggest flaws - inefficient new coin creation. The bitcoin network has become too expensive to run, and it needs more and more new money to enter, just to sustain it's value. If not enough new money will enter, then mining will start to eat the dollar value of bitcoin. Some miners are claiming that they will temporary cover the losses and wait for better times to sell. Some of them outright lie to support the positive sentiment and some of them actually can cover their losses for a limited time. This also means that their coins will be accumulating together with their losses. This is only building up to an avalanche where the miners can't cover their losses anymore and they have to sell their coins to whatever the price that they can get. When this happens, then the amount of coins that will be thrown at the market will be large enough to destroy any trust that bitcoin still had left.
Cryptocurrencies will live on, but new and better models will take over that have solved the important problems that bitcoin has.

replace bitcoin with government and miners with banks and you'll be spot on.

I don't care much about anti-government agendas and other expressions of teenage rebellion. I care about finding a practical financial tool, that can be used to develop both the finance and the economy. Bitcoin was the first to show that open-sourced monetary systems can be done, and I am thankful for that. But sadly, bitcoin the currency just isn't advanced enough to be used as a practical tool. The blockchain technology can be used as a practical tool to implement into new and better currencies, and the idea of bitcoin can be used as an source of inspiration for new cryptographic innovations.

Bitcoin the currency itself, is just a slot machine, that is shrouded with virtuous looking illusions. People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". The sad thing is, that if they can't see how it's really just a slot machine, then they can't also see that the machine is rigged to create profit for the house - the biggest holders of coin, and the people who run the unregulated exchanges. They have the power to raise or lower the price as they see fit, while having private information about their customers trading methods and habits.
A practical currency should be unattractive for speculative play, so gamblers who cause instability would stay away. A practical currency should be attractive to merchants, and without the need of middlemen like BitPay who take profit for offering stability. The technology can be used to make money efficient  and cheap (the cost of maintaining the monetary system). Bitcoin the currency is far from realizing the potential, and as long as the core devs aren't considering changing PoW mining and fixed coin supply, then I just can't see a way for that to change.

i suppose you're calling the 400M of bitcoin VC "dumb money"?  Get real.  Please enlighten us on how to instantaneously create a digital currency with perfect distribution and no volatility in relation to already volatile fiats with automatic 100% merchant adoption and regulation in place.  fiats are speculated upon all the time, get your head out of the us dollars ass.

[empowering]

Out in force today.

Hilarious.

(I wonder, oh I wonder why)

[NotLambchop]

...People with gambling problems can create a narrative to their spouses, that they are in fact "investors in an highly innovative technological project". That's the intriguing narrative that gets the permission to use the family's life savings on this "new and world changing project". ...

Naah...   You think?

vodka straight up... not for everyone...

oh ya i;m gana puke...

...
LMAO

buy Buy BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's having chick problems. Give the kid a break.

His wife left him because Bitcoin.  Case in point.

Thanks Dr Phil.

What don't you get?  A d00d's life gets ruined by Bitcoin, he gets hammered so he could continue "investing" in this "disruptive technology."

[NotLambchop]

Out in force today.

Hilarious.

(I wonder, oh I wonder why)

Price tanks--bullish!
Yearlong decline--going up up up!

No shit it's hilarious.

[empowering]

Out in force today.

Hilarious.

(I wonder, oh I wonder why)

Price tanks--bullish!
Yearlong decline--going up up up!

No shit it's hilarious.

Yes dear.

Hilarious indeed.

You are hilarious and so transparent.

As I said out in force today.

Enjoy.

[ChartBuddy]

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