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[JayJuanGee]

Why would anybodies coins be lost by HODLING in Core addresses? Anybody else please deny or confirm this?

I run bitcoin-qt and my biggest security concern is me losing my password.

How does bitcoin-qt treat passwords?  Do you have a password and a back-up phrase, or only a password?

[Ibian]

Blah blah blah more garbage ramblings

A poor and witless man[lad] will protect his ego before he will protect his Bitcoins.

Yes... everyone do what troll anunymint suggests, and that way your coins will be safe.. panic, everyone.

Why do you care where other people keep their coins? In twenty words or less.

Segwit has been activated and implemented into bitcoin by normal consensus... therefore, if you support bitcoin, then you should be attempting to utilize and support its current and newest features... eg.. segwit... Keep a decent percentage of your coins on segwit addresses and using segwit features,...Ibian.    Get with the bitcoin program... modern bitcoin... not old bitcoin.

So "because you say so". That's not much of an argument. Besides being pretty pathetic.

I am not going to put any burden on myself to attempt to persuade you or anyone else about what to do.  There seems to be a practice and a current propagandizing that suggest to people not to use segwit or to minimize the use of segwit based on theories that segwit addresses have a decent chance of getting attacked (at least enough of a decent chance of becoming attacked that folks should be taking precautions to NOT have any coins in segwit address).  I posture that the burden is upon you folks (yes... I said you folks to include yourselfie, Ibian, to provide convincing evidence that segwit should not be used and should be avoided or that it is for the good of bitcoin to fail/refuse to use such segwit addresses).  Good luck with your attempts of persuasion, and I am not going to do it or to engage with you troll/shill anti-segwit nutjobs (yes, including uie, Ibian) on this topic.       

I'm not gonna take a fucking selfie just for you.

[mymenace]

Not just crypto currency WAR but National currencies, Petro dollar and the gold standard all in a Global Currency War.


Update July
Bitcoin media war

Misdirection is the weapon of choice for the criminals in a media war that is spanning various platforms;

1) News rooms - fake news
2) Forums - fake shill on fake shill
3) Social networks - Trolls







Bitcon under attack, decentralized blockchain dangerous

Roger ver and the hard forks was used to discredit bitcoin
Currently debate is raging over distributed lightning network and decentralized lightning network
Again an attack to create hegemony and centralize bitcoin through transactions on the lightning network

Segwit is a failure due to the inability to decentralize lightning networks

Why they are attacking bitcoin
It would do more than just provide a currency system it is a truth system as well

Truth of central bank inflation and tax lies
Truth of illegal money transfer
Truth of corruption

....and the currency wars continue



Furthermore use of media, forums, social networks, by those few attacking bitcoin run narratives with each other on these platforms to look like infighting

Only a few, what you have to deal with to survive the currency war.

Update

Whats interesting to note is the amount of attacks on bitcoin saying it supposedly does not work
1) Bcash shills
2) Segwit shills
3) Lightning shills
4) Republic shills
5) Blocksize shills



Thanks to the continued attacks on bitcoin, the public now know where to look, the truth in the blockchain can be exposed.

[Last of the V8s]

...

Except there is a severe lack of security on the sites he is posting (misdirection?)

So meh

http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-123791

[mymenace]

...

Except there is a severe lack of security on the sites he is posting (misdirection?)

So meh

http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-123791

true that

[JayJuanGee]

Segwit has been activated and implemented into bitcoin by normal consensus... therefore, if you support bitcoin, then you should be attempting to utilize and support its current and newest features... eg.. segwit... Keep a decent percentage of your coins on segwit addresses and using segwit features,...Ibian.    Get with the bitcoin program... modern bitcoin... not old bitcoin.

So "because you say so". That's not much of an argument. Besides being pretty pathetic.

Your segwit coins will be safe and sound on any fork that enforces the segwit rules. The only reason to be paranoid is if you believe a fork will be implemented that will not follow the segwit rules and instead treat the segwit transactions as anyonecanspend transaction, and you wish to have the option to participate in this hypothetical chain. You can also be extra paranoid, and make sure that you do not have any segwit tainted coins. But that new fork would have to basically force a reorg, to replay the old segwit transactions. The more & more blocks it would reorg would be more and more expensive to implement. This is the same principal that protects us from 51% attacks in the 1st place. If you want to HODL your coins in P2PKH (legacy) addresses and make sure you have no segwit tainted coins, you are free to do that. You just will not be able to participate in the lightning network and you will not enjoy the benefit of slightly cheaper fees that you enjoy with segwit.

The luddites destroyed looms because they thought they would get them killed.

Looms.

Bitcoin is a new step in money, orders of magnitude more disruptive than weaving machines. It's not paranoia, it's just basic historical knowledge. The amount of resources needed to carry out large scale attacks on the network of the type we have been talking about recently seems like a lot of money to us, but that doesn't mean that there isn't someone out there with enough money and inventive to do so. And a serious attempt will not be telegraphed in advance, it will just strike out of the blue. Given that the cost of insuring against such an event is... fifteen cents on the transfer... there simply is no good argument against doing so.

Ibian doubling down as a shill...

who would have thunk that a racist shill would convert into an anti-bitcoin shill?  You go!!!!  everyone protect themselfies... down with segwit because fearmongers, like Ibian, say that it is a cost-effective self-centered move.   

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

This thread is numpty today. What happened? All the sane people took the weekend off?

The corrupt are panicking, they are being hunted

A few in here

freakin out

Only a few though

they know we know... what is really shameful for us is how long we have been tricked... just the indestructible passport in wtc 1,2,7 should have waken us... but no, we stayed glued to our games and didn't ask questions, and worst tolerated the answers of the enemies of mankind. listen to mr Mudd from the fbi speaking about wtc7...

for now it is only the top imperialists that are paniking, all their decoys and fail switch are still splurging the pussies of the hypergamists whores.

the real fight will begin when their turn will come...

like all purges, killing the top is useless if the middle ranks aren't wiped... it's from force enforcement (fbi, cia, dod etc) to the 20m to less than 10b.

This thread is numpty today. What happened? All the sane people took the weekend off?

The corrupt are panicking, they are being hunted
A few in here
freakin out
Only a few though

Will admit anonymint concerned me re: Segwit addresses. I’ve looked through every single address that I have coins in though & they all start with a 1 so fuck it - as you were

Is any of this normal?
Think sealed indictments.
Think resignations of CEOs.
Think resignations of Senators.
Think resignations of Congress.
Think termination of senior FBI….
Think termination of senior DOJ….
Media BLACKOUT.

Huber, who has the power to seek indictments and prosecute cases, and teamed him up with Horowitz, who has 470 investigators at his disposal

just lol, show me a single body? where is john corzine? jeffrey epstein? okay, just show...

resignation? this is disnee land? what the fuck dead bodies.

execute comey, mudd, lynch, hillary, jeffrey, harvey, andrew and we can start to talk...

otherwise it is black as usual, aka american oligarchy is holding the most male captives in the world, to fuck their sisters, daughters, wives or even mothers.

they have no shame, no soul and worst no brain.

but they lie like even the greeks would be impressed.

anyway.

about the western medias and their children, the only thing usefull with them is to feed fishes... rivers of blood before the rain or at sea directly, I don't care as long as they are all dead. the guility and those who didn't expose the guilty.

I find it absolutely hilarious how hypocritical the people in this thread are. The constant rhetoric in this thread is that shills/scammers resort to name calling, misdirection, and censoring attempts at silencing people who disagree with them.

anonymint came in here and provided an intellectually stimulating conversation for once; backed by a logical progression of his thoughts and where he derived them from (whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant). How many posters here actually do that? Maybe 10? Hell, even roach falls in this category!

What was the response to his posts?
- A few individuals read what he wrote, and had a decent discussion about it with a few even offering a well written rebuttal (they are part of the 10 posters mentioned before).

- Called a "fucking retard" or some variation with zero reference to what he said, let alone trying to refute it.
- Labeled him a bcash shill, which is laughable as he says it is shit in pretty much everything he writes
- You have banana man taking out his dick and trying to show people how big it is, talking about how much bitcoin he's bought and sold which has no relevance to the conversation at hand.
- Then there are calls for his removal and for him to delete his posts because it's off topic... as if 90% of the garbage posts on here aren't off topic.

Name calling. Misdirection. Censoring.

If anything, the absurd reaction to his posts leads me to believe he's more correct than not, and I have only just started reading it. This thread has fallen apart, because the few people that are interesting to read and who are actually contributing worthwhile information are slowly being driven away one by one.

the thing is that after the virgin child girl was raped, they took second pass and third and so on... so they are as guilty as the first one. they are all covering their asses. anyway... it's the west (aka the land of the dead).

Blah blah blah more garbage ramblings

A poor and witless man[lad] will protect his ego before he will protect his Bitcoins.

Yes... everyone do what troll anunymint suggests, and that way your coins will be safe.. panic, everyone.

Why do you care where other people keep their coins? In twenty words or less.

Segwit has been activated and implemented into bitcoin by normal consensus... therefore, if you support bitcoin, then you should be attempting to utilize and support its current and newest features... eg.. segwit... Keep a decent percentage of your coins on segwit addresses and using segwit features,...Ibian.    Get with the bitcoin program... modern bitcoin... not old bitcoin.

So "because you say so". That's not much of an argument. Besides being pretty pathetic.

I am not going to put any burden on myself to attempt to persuade you or anyone else about what to do.  There seems to be a practice and a current propagandizing that suggest to people not to use segwit or to minimize the use of segwit based on theories that segwit addresses have a decent chance of getting attacked (at least enough of a decent chance of becoming attacked that folks should be taking precautions to NOT have any coins in segwit address).  I posture that the burden is upon you folks (yes... I said you folks to include yourselfie, Ibian, to provide convincing evidence that segwit should not be used and should be avoided or that it is for the good of bitcoin to fail/refuse to use such segwit addresses).  Good luck with your attempts of persuasion, and I am not going to do it or to engage with you troll/shill anti-segwit nutjobs (yes, including uie, Ibian) on this topic.    

can a segwit tx be censored : yes or no. binary. will the next update of segwit allows tx censorship : yes or no. binary.

you said you like crypto? it's only binary beyond what you believe to see.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jul/1/us-really-did-have-manchurian-candidate-white-hous/

America really did have a Manchurian Candidate in the White House


 

jeff and his little media propaganda crew (cia)... in the fight of their life against the mercheants of china, because once the american people understand for who they covered for decades.. they may be blood, lot of it... who said that the release in virginia / langley school area will be foreign?

where is the hq of the fbi? and where are their children schools located? the private one in particular... who cares where the toilet cleaner children are going to school... mudd, comey... we want to know 9.11.

the real name of the usd isn't the petrodollar but the pedodollars... and once free commodity stop to fuel the war machine, that ebt buys nothing foreign... will see how america will react, if you add the collapse of a narrative made to hide the oppression, cheating, usury and abuse of those who protect the ruling class... I mean the little sucka with his 4-20m yacht, the game begin.

the first rule is when those mid rank turn, kill them, they are useless, hypocrites.

[JayJuanGee]

Segwit has been activated and implemented into bitcoin by normal consensus... therefore, if you support bitcoin, then you should be attempting to utilize and support its current and newest features... eg.. segwit... Keep a decent percentage of your coins on segwit addresses and using segwit features,...Ibian.    Get with the bitcoin program... modern bitcoin... not old bitcoin.

So "because you say so". That's not much of an argument. Besides being pretty pathetic.

Your segwit coins will be safe and sound on any fork that enforces the segwit rules. The only reason to be paranoid is if you believe a fork will be implemented that will not follow the segwit rules and instead treat the segwit transactions as anyonecanspend transaction, and you wish to have the option to participate in this hypothetical chain. You can also be extra paranoid, and make sure that you do not have any segwit tainted coins. But that new fork would have to basically force a reorg, to replay the old segwit transactions. The more & more blocks it would reorg would be more and more expensive to implement. This is the same principal that protects us from 51% attacks in the 1st place. If you want to HODL your coins in P2PKH (legacy) addresses and make sure you have no segwit tainted coins, you are free to do that. You just will not be able to participate in the lightning network and you will not enjoy the benefit of slightly cheaper fees that you enjoy with segwit.

The luddites destroyed looms because they thought they would get them killed.

Looms.

Bitcoin is a new step in money, orders of magnitude more disruptive than weaving machines. It's not paranoia, it's just basic historical knowledge. The amount of resources needed to carry out large scale attacks on the network of the type we have been talking about recently seems like a lot of money to us, but that doesn't mean that there isn't someone out there with enough money and inventive to do so. And a serious attempt will not be telegraphed in advance, it will just strike out of the blue. Given that the cost of insuring against such an event is... fifteen cents on the transfer... there simply is no good argument against doing so.

Are you really going to do a blockchain analysis to ensure that all of the UTXO in your wallet is not segwit tainted? Furthermore, in a reorganization attack, the old coinbase transactions as well as all of their child UTXO will be invalidated. If the fork doesn't do any reorganization, the only way it is going to be able to steal segwit coins is when they are actually spent. Otherwise, they will just sit in the segwit address, inert. If it appears this new chain is going to be the accepted chain with the longest work, only the uninformed are going to spend these coins and donate to the miners. To collect some kind of "bounty" from these stranded coins, they are going to have to offer some kind of deal to entice the holdouts to go along. Depending on how desperate people are, it may be satosis on the BTC. There could also be a savior miners that will do it for free or a nominal price. You just send the rawtx to the miner in an alternative way, not over the network, and they will include the tx in the next block and send the proceeds to you rather than themselves.

Bones going to town to clarify the situation... Thanks, Bones.

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

Not just crypto currency WAR but National currencies, Petro dollar and the gold standard all in a Global Currency War.


Update July
Bitcoin media war

Misdirection is the weapon of choice for the criminals in a media war that is spanning various platforms;

1) News rooms - fake news
2) Forums - fake shill on fake shill
3) Social networks - Trolls







Bitcon under attack, decentralized blockchain dangerous

Roger ver and the hard forks was used to discredit bitcoin
Currently debate is raging over distributed lightning network and decentralized lightning network
Again an attack to create hegemony and centralize bitcoin through transactions on the lightning network

Segwit is a failure due to the inability to decentralize lightning networks

Why they are attacking bitcoin
It would do more than just provide a currency system it is a truth system as well

Truth of central bank inflation and tax lies
Truth of illegal money transfer
Truth of corruption

....and the currency wars continue



Furthermore use of media, forums, social networks, by those few attacking bitcoin run narratives with each other on these platforms to look like infighting

Only a few, what you have to deal with to survive the currency war.

Update

Whats interesting to note is the amount of attacks on bitcoin saying it supposedly does not work
1) Bcash shills
2) Segwit shills
3) Lightning shills
4) Republic shills
5) Blocksize shills



Thanks to the continued attacks on bitcoin, the public now know where to look, the truth in the blockchain can be exposed.

the pedodollars must die for the pedorulers to be nexted.

[nakamura12]

Not just crypto currency WAR but National currencies, Petro dollar and the gold standard all in a Global Currency War.


Update July
Bitcoin media war

Misdirection is the weapon of choice for the criminals in a media war that is spanning various platforms;

1) News rooms - fake news
2) Forums - fake shill on fake shill
3) Social networks - Trolls







Bitcon under attack, decentralized blockchain dangerous

Roger ver and the hard forks was used to discredit bitcoin
Currently debate is raging over distributed lightning network and decentralized lightning network
Again an attack to create hegemony and centralize bitcoin through transactions on the lightning network

Segwit is a failure due to the inability to decentralize lightning networks

Why they are attacking bitcoin
It would do more than just provide a currency system it is a truth system as well

Truth of central bank inflation and tax lies
Truth of illegal money transfer
Truth of corruption

....and the currency wars continue



Furthermore use of media, forums, social networks, by those few attacking bitcoin run narratives with each other on these platforms to look like infighting

Only a few, what you have to deal with to survive the currency war.

Update

Whats interesting to note is the amount of attacks on bitcoin saying it supposedly does not work
1) Bcash shills
2) Segwit shills
3) Lightning shills
4) Republic shills
5) Blocksize shills



Thanks to the continued attacks on bitcoin, the public now know where to look, the truth in the blockchain can be exposed.

Some didn't want to exposes the truth for their own currency to be use and will be successful in the future for great profit but they won't be succesful once their intentions will also be exposed the truth behind their lies and corrupt people.

[El duderino_]

This thread is numpty today. What happened? All the sane people took the weekend off?

i'm maybe not the most sane BUT as many i do need a sunday recovery day

[JayJuanGee]

Prediction Of The Week
Bitcoin Needs To Breakthrough $6,300 In Order To Rally, Says Fundstrat Analyst

Fundstrat’s Robert Slyumer believes that Bitcoin needs a short-term breakthrough at $6,300 in order to reverse its current downtrend. According to his analysis of Bitcoin’s 15-day moving average charts as of May 2018, Slyumer noted that the resistance level is $6,300 to $6,400, with a critical stop level at $5,800 to $5,800.

from: https://cointelegraph.com/news/hodler-s-digest-june-24-july-1-facebook-brings-back-crypto-ads-the-woz-calls-bitcoin-just-amazing

I don't see any trend change still.

Come back when the trend is bullish, everything else is just gambling and not trading.

If you wait until the trend is bullish, then you might miss decent buying opportunities, and you would also likely be engaged in a more pussified perspective regarding bitcoin fundamentals (meaning lacking confidence in bitcoin fundamentals).  But, hey, to each his own, right?

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

Some didn't want to exposes the truth for their own currency to be use and will be successful in the future for great profit but they won't be succesful once their intentions will also be exposed the truth behind their lies and corrupt people.

some have more experience with the cycle your describe. will this difficulty be overcome, I have no idea.

however, the PEDOdollars must die for us to have a chance to live in peace and love, and sadly the pedorullers of the PEDOdollars aren't interested in suicide. it would be simpler for them and us.

legalize that :     C17H21NO4

end of the discussion.

war.

This thread is numpty today. What happened? All the sane people took the weekend off?

i'm maybe not the most sane BUT as many i do need a sunday recovery day

we have a new term: the pedodollars... the currency used by the predatory parasitic oligarchic pedophile imperialist americans and their western allies who try to enslave, rape and exploit the world like they did to america.

you even have it's sign on your keyboard : $ .

[Last of the V8s]

if only the escape button worked

[Ibian]

Segwit has been activated and implemented into bitcoin by normal consensus... therefore, if you support bitcoin, then you should be attempting to utilize and support its current and newest features... eg.. segwit... Keep a decent percentage of your coins on segwit addresses and using segwit features,...Ibian.    Get with the bitcoin program... modern bitcoin... not old bitcoin.

So "because you say so". That's not much of an argument. Besides being pretty pathetic.

Your segwit coins will be safe and sound on any fork that enforces the segwit rules. The only reason to be paranoid is if you believe a fork will be implemented that will not follow the segwit rules and instead treat the segwit transactions as anyonecanspend transaction, and you wish to have the option to participate in this hypothetical chain. You can also be extra paranoid, and make sure that you do not have any segwit tainted coins. But that new fork would have to basically force a reorg, to replay the old segwit transactions. The more & more blocks it would reorg would be more and more expensive to implement. This is the same principal that protects us from 51% attacks in the 1st place. If you want to HODL your coins in P2PKH (legacy) addresses and make sure you have no segwit tainted coins, you are free to do that. You just will not be able to participate in the lightning network and you will not enjoy the benefit of slightly cheaper fees that you enjoy with segwit.

The luddites destroyed looms because they thought they would get them killed.

Looms.

Bitcoin is a new step in money, orders of magnitude more disruptive than weaving machines. It's not paranoia, it's just basic historical knowledge. The amount of resources needed to carry out large scale attacks on the network of the type we have been talking about recently seems like a lot of money to us, but that doesn't mean that there isn't someone out there with enough money and inventive to do so. And a serious attempt will not be telegraphed in advance, it will just strike out of the blue. Given that the cost of insuring against such an event is... fifteen cents on the transfer... there simply is no good argument against doing so.

Ibian doubling down as a shill...

who would have thunk that a racist shill would convert into an anti-bitcoin shill?  You go!!!!  everyone protect themselfies... down with segwit because fearmongers, like Ibian, say that it is a cost-effective self-centered move.   

Yes I'm'a shillin for fifteen centos, so mucho moneyo.

You are pathetic and beneath my contempt.

[hodl_2015]

This thread is numpty today. What happened? All the sane people took the weekend off?

Sane people are enjoying the end of the weekend-dip and have all insane posts on ignore.  This thread is quite nice with half the posts hidden.
Oh, I randomly un-ignore, everyone deserves a second (or tenth) chance, but it usually confirms my original choice very soon.

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

if only the escape button worked

watching the end of your show might be worth it... who knows what will happen...

one day they were the romanov, tsar of all russia, their friends had palaces that trump place are just horsedorm, and the next winter, they were mostly dead, hidding but surely not as arrogant as the summer before...

the thing is that with 10k kill, at first it is possible to really disorganize their conspiracy, of course, there will be collateral damage, peon that the pedollarruler have placed, nice dumb loyal guys, who have no idea what is really going on... the sport drones or as they call them nicely know "the communities"...

This thread is numpty today. What happened? All the sane people took the weekend off?

Sane people are enjoying the end of the weekend-dip and have all insane posts on ignore.  This thread is quite nice with half the posts hidden.
Oh, I randomly un-ignore, everyone deserves a second (or tenth) chance, but it usually confirms my original choice very soon.

trying to reinforce conditionning... sheep don't look afraid, this is a nice house... but what does slaughterhouse means said one... all is good he said, put him on ignore.

loser.

1-0,

[JayJuanGee]

Thanks for the response, and it seem that we agree about a lot of things, except perhaps regarding the contributions of the ideas of what I believe to be a disingenuine troll, anunymint.  You seem to be giving way too much credit to his ideas and arguments, but whatever, we will see how long anunymint's troll life will last.  

From my perspective, hopefully, he does not establish a long one (several years) like Roach... or even a medium long one like NOTlambchop (a bit over a year for himself/herself and seemingly over two years with what seemed to be his/her various sockpuppets).

Anonymint has been around for years, using various alt accounts. Many of his other accounts were banned. (Although I am not sure they were permabanned.) I believe he came on the scene in 2012, but could have been even earlier. He just hasn't frequented this thread. However, it appears that he doesn't tolerate being the lone wolf for long. This thread didn't appear to give him many allies to root for him. Therefore, he is moving on. Chances are his current account of anunymint will likely get banned too. He'll just show back up in a few months/years using a new account.

Thanks for the clarification, and I agree that it is likely that we will continue to see him, and it is quite likely that he is the same poster as the earlier accounts, as you indicated.

[JayJuanGee]

[edited out]

the plan to use segwit coin while keeping real bitcoin to fork is smart... it was explained a few post earlier.

wrong, perfect is the only path against the leeches, scamers and all their cohort of minion who have for centuries enslaved mankind.

We disagree... as you likely already realize.   

[keystroke]

Given what bitcoin's price will become down the road we may have to make Pluto a planet again.