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[Torque]

Thanks for the info. We westerners have little visibility into the particulars and details of European politics and history. I'm sure we get plenty of misinformation or outright propaganda here as well.

It's hard to get honest news reporting anymore, pretty much anywhere in the world now. So sad that news agencies now have hidden agendas given to them by their corrupt bosses.

[Asrael999]

Putin  mouthing off on Crypto at the moment
Russian regulation incoming

[bitserve]

Thanks for the info. We westerners have little visibility into the particulars and details of European politics and history. I'm sure we get plenty of misinformation or outright propaganda here as well.

It's hard to get honest news reporting anymore, pretty much anywhere in the world now. So sad that news agencies now have hidden agendas given to them by their corrupt bosses.

There is a lot of propaganda nowadays yeah. In this case in particular, many of the images that circulated about the "brutal" police intervention weren't even "real": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo-injuries-fact-checking

Some were, though... and unfortunately there were at least two real critical injured that day: One man that suffered a heart attack (and recovered) and another one that was hit in an eye with a ricocheted gum ball. The man that suffered the heart attack was not because of the police intervention and was in fact helped by one Guardia Civil.

I am salso sure there were many more people with minor injuries but no other medical report has been published by any source. The woman that said a policeman broke his fingers later backed-off when it was confronted with evidence that she self-bandaged the wrong hand and then said that "it was just an exageration out of nervoussness of the moment". (yeah, right!)

Anyway, I have to reckon they won the "battle" in the media. But also that made many people (like myself) that usually give a fuck about this stuff to recover a sentiment of unity of our country (which is or should be above any interested politics).

It's not a big country, not very wealthy, not perfect by any means.... but it's our fucking country damnit!

[JayJuanGee]

...lol with the recent news from Russia re competing with China in Bitcon mining - coupled with the faux China ban , and taken into context with the usual bullshit the MSM spout..

This "supposed" Russia "ban"

Who could really give a flying fuck.

Not me that is for sure.

Not a single fuck given.

(Even if Putin were to come into my  house and smack the hardware  wallet outta my hands I would still laugh in his face)

He would do a little martial arts on you, and you would not be laughing, then ... 

[Febo]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

[ragnar0k]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Nobody living in EU would speak about Europe like that - do you live in Europe?

[bitserve]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Ok, so I can go and do a "referendum" with a bunch of my friends and decide, for example, that we are not going to pay any taxes anymore?

Can now Barcelona go a do a "referendum" and secede from catalonia? Can Girona?

Maybe they can.... is it legal? No. Do they have the right? No. Should they have that right? I don't think so, but it is of course opinable.

That said... I don't think any country would let me independence from it (and not pay taxes) while leaving inside its territory. Also, it would probably a chaos if it were possible because..... who the fuck wouldn't independece then? Who would pay taxes? Who would build roads, hospitals  or anything?

I don't think it is that simple as saying that there's absolutely no limits to freedom.

P.S.: If anyone knows of a country where that is possible (and living is GOOD), just tell me. I can relocate

[conspirosphere.tk]

It has become more and more expensive for big projects to happen, like tunnels through mountains, huge highways or bridges. People don't understand

Do they have the right? No.

Then they are fucking cattle. Interesting.

[bitserve]

Do they have the right? No.

Then they are fucking cattle. Interesting.

Not having a right doesn't mean not having an opinion or even fighting for it. Anyway, any utopian place in the world where that would be possible?

[conspirosphere.tk]

Do they have the right? No.

Then they are fucking cattle. Interesting.

Not having a right doesn't mean not having an opinion or even fighting for it. Anyway, any utopian place in the world where that would be possible?

You don't ask for permissions to practice anarchy.

[bitserve]

Do they have the right? No.

Then they are fucking cattle. Interesting.

Not having a right doesn't mean not having an opinion or even fighting for it. Anyway, any utopian place in the world where that would be possible?

You don't ask for permissions to practice anarchy.

Then anarchy is unpractical

[savetherainforest]

It has become more and more expensive for big projects to happen, like tunnels through mountains, huge highways or bridges. People don't understand

Bravo Sir!




But we only live one life. And need to protect and treasure it!... The ones of us that don't bust our asses for others, and just steal from other newbs from the exchanges, we may have a higher standards regarding "what is fair?". And the sheeple seem to wake up as well. So, dunno for how long there will be such complex system of slavery in place. Or how we will come up with something to replace the old unfair one, but I think probably robots.

[Febo]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Ok, so I can go and do a "referendum" with a bunch of my friends and decide, for example, that we are not going to pay any taxes anymore?

If your country can run without why not. But yes you should have right to start own country. With your friends yes. and you will together decide if you need taxes or not.  I do believe 5 milions people can run one for themself.  you and your fiends might have troubles. specially without taxes.

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Nobody living in EU would speak about Europe like that - do you live in Europe?

Yes. Why should I bother otherwise. I also live on Earth.

Europe without free Europeans is not an Europe!


In general. Catatonians without their own army will never independent.  They need every 20 years old male to be able to handle weapons and own army. Spain politicians will never let lose 20% of their country with the fight. And Europe politicians will just follow nonhuman laws.

[BitcoinBunny]

On the Catalan independence:

----
European Council President Donald Tusk is among those to have urged Mr Puigdemont not to declare independence. In his latest comments on the crisis, the EU leader said the consequences would be "obviously be bad for the Catalans, for Spain and for the whole of Europe".

"Let us always look for what unites us and not for what divides us. This is what will decide the future of our continent."

----

Yeah the Romans, Napoleon and Hitler also tried to "unite" us... Further east Lenin and later Stalin gave it a shot.

 

[d_eddie]

...lol with the recent news from Russia re competing with China in Bitcon mining - coupled with the faux China ban , and taken into context with the usual bullshit the MSM spout..

This "supposed" Russia "ban"

Who could really give a flying fuck.

Not me that is for sure.

Not a single fuck given.

(Even if Putin were to come into my  house and smack the hardware  wallet outta my hands I would still laugh in his face)

He would do a little martial arts on you, and you would not be laughing, then ...  

With current USA gun laws, if a foreigner comes and smacks anything precious out of the houseowner's hands, are you really sure it is the trespasser who's going to laugh last?

"At first I only kneecapped him, but then he grabbed the hammer and threw it at me... I was really afraid for my (my wife's/my children's) safety... so I kept on shooting until he stopped moving... honest, officer."

[bitserve]

...lol with the recent news from Russia re competing with China in Bitcon mining - coupled with the faux China ban , and taken into context with the usual bullshit the MSM spout..

This "supposed" Russia "ban"

Who could really give a flying fuck.

Not me that is for sure.

Not a single fuck given.

(Even if Putin were to come into my  house and smack the hardware  wallet outta my hands I would still laugh in his face)

He would do a little martial arts on you, and you would not be laughing, then ... 

With current USA gun laws, if a foreigner comes and smacks anything precious out of the houseowner's hands, are you really sure it is the trespasser who's going to laugh last?

If the tresspasser is Vladimir Puttin, maybe. It is being rumored he killed Chuck Norris with a single finger.

[BitcoinBunny]

...lol with the recent news from Russia re competing with China in Bitcon mining - coupled with the faux China ban , and taken into context with the usual bullshit the MSM spout..

This "supposed" Russia "ban"

Who could really give a flying fuck.

Not me that is for sure.

Not a single fuck given.

(Even if Putin were to come into my  house and smack the hardware  wallet outta my hands I would still laugh in his face)

He would do a little martial arts on you, and you would not be laughing, then ... 

With current USA gun laws, if a foreigner comes and smacks anything precious out of the houseowner's hands, are you really sure it is the trespasser who's going to laugh last?

If the tresspasser is Vladimir Puttin, maybe. It is being rumored he killed Chuck Norris with a single finger.

...whilst Vladimir was also fending off a pack of Canadian bears and angry seagulls.

[JimboToronto]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see we've kept most of yesterday's gains and continue to consolidate around $4.8k... currently $4808USD/$6007CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Meanwhile AltCash has recovered a little after yesterday's disaster but is still down on the day... currently $322USD/$403CAD (Coinmarketcap).

Consolidation is good.

A new ATH by the weekend would be good too though.  

[vit05]

52%. Is anyone believing that could pass 60% before November?

[Lauda]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Illegal or not, you shouldn't beat your own people for: a) Peacefully protesting. b) Voting.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Nobody living in EU would speak about Europe like that - do you live in Europe?

Doubt it. He's highly uneducated apparently or just a random signature spammer (even though there are no signatures in this thread).

A new ATH by the weekend would be good too though.  

I'm waiting for a certain Jimbo from Toronto to pump it.