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[deplorableaustriantroll]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right.  Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe.

Ok, so I can go and do a "referendum" with a bunch of my friends and decide, for example, that we are not going to pay any taxes anymore?

So if the miners decide to hardfork you follow them? Or do you stick to the consensus rules you choose? Imo Bitcoin shows the flaws of our legacy governance systems. They are are not able to soft fork. Only hard forks possible. Either you are with us or against us. Where it leads to can be found in various history books. Seems learning from past mistakes is impossible.

I don't like Bitcoin forks. I don't like country forks. But I do recognise it is an interesting analogy... and it seems that both result on airdrops if you choose the "right" side of the fork.

If you choose the "wrong" country fork those airdrops might be not that pleasant and may get you killed. And in the end both chains lose value.

[bitserve]

What a pleasant little rise... up a c-note in less than an hour.  

Go Bitcoin go.

Price is looking pretty good - a lot of funds are coming from people selling alts - looks like the market cap % of BTC/Alts is increasing again

I do feel a little bad about my alts... but then I remember I got them as some sort of hedge and they are exactly doing its job (and got me a good profit already). I feel sorry for those that are overexposed to alts but, hey, this is the game!

Switch them to BTC with Changelly and switch back when you think ATH has been reached. 

I won't. That would completely defeat their purpose as a hedge. I don't care how low they go as long as Bitcoin keeps rising

[fluidjax]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Illegal or not, you shouldn't beat your own people for: a) Peacefully protesting. b) Voting.

I do completely agree. AFAIK noone was beaten for that (trying to vote or peacefully protesting). Police had strict orders from Judge to seize ballot boxes, the only people that were beaten were actively hindering (not sure if that is the right english word) the police job. In fact, in most the places they were not able to comply orders because it would have mean a major confrontation and put people (and police units themselves) in higher danger. It was an extremely complex operative, probably the most complex this country has ever coped with.

I do also recognize this incident have had a very bad impact in international media. It would have been way better to have intervened way sooner and just arrest the promoters of the rebelion without exposing any law-abiding citizens to any innecesary risk.

What possible motivation could there be for removing someones freedom of expression by using law?
It is acceptable that a government may take a different view to a sub set of it's people, but it is not acceptable that a government denies those people from  expressing themselves in a peaceful way,

[bitserve]

Ok, Puigdemont has finished his speech. No Unilateral Declaration of Independence (DUI) as promised. Complete fiasco. He says he want to negotiate.... again... more extortion. He doesn't keep his own word. Pro-independence radicals must be very "happy" with him today.

[bitserve]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Illegal or not, you shouldn't beat your own people for: a) Peacefully protesting. b) Voting.

I do completely agree. AFAIK noone was beaten for that (trying to vote or peacefully protesting). Police had strict orders from Judge to seize ballot boxes, the only people that were beaten were actively hindering (not sure if that is the right english word) the police job. In fact, in most the places they were not able to comply orders because it would have mean a major confrontation and put people (and police units themselves) in higher danger. It was an extremely complex operative, probably the most complex this country has ever coped with.

I do also recognize this incident have had a very bad impact in international media. It would have been way better to have intervened way sooner and just arrest the promoters of the rebelion without exposing any law-abiding citizens to any innecesary risk.

What possible motivation could there be for removing someones freedom of expression by using law?
It is acceptable that a government may take a different view to a sub set of it's people, but it is not acceptable that a government denies those people from  expressing themselves in a peaceful way,

It is a common misunderstanding that freedom of expression is an unlimited freedom. It isn't. You can't publish clearly racist manifests, etc...

But this is not a matter of free speech. It is a matter of breaking the law.

Expressing anything (not ilegal) in a peaceful way is ok.

Who has said/or done anything against that?

[podyx]

Can anybody give some clarity on segwit 2x? I don't get it.

How high chance is it that it happens? Is it confirmed to happen and will it be a fork like bitcoin cash?

[Phil_S]

Russia ban Bitcoin
<-->PUMP

Nah, "Russia ban" is out of the question. Putin was on TV just now, discussing cryptocurrencies, said "I'm aware of Central Bank's position" , but "it's important not to create too many barriers".

[Ludwig Von]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Illegal or not, you shouldn't beat your own people for: a) Peacefully protesting. b) Voting.

I do completely agree. AFAIK noone was beaten for that (trying to vote or peacefully protesting). Police had strict orders from Judge to seize ballot boxes, the only people that were beaten were actively hindering (not sure if that is the right english word) the police job. In fact, in most the places they were not able to comply orders because it would have mean a major confrontation and put people (and police units themselves) in higher danger. It was an extremely complex operative, probably the most complex this country has ever coped with.

I do also recognize this incident have had a very bad impact in international media. It would have been way better to have intervened way sooner and just arrest the promoters of the rebelion without exposing any law-abiding citizens to any innecesary risk.

What possible motivation could there be for removing someones freedom of expression by using law?
It is acceptable that a government may take a different view to a sub set of it's people, but it is not acceptable that a government denies those people from  expressing themselves in a peaceful way,

It is a common misunderstanding that freedom of expression is an unlimited freedom. It isn't. You can't publish clearly racist manifests, etc...

But this is not a matter of free speech. It is a matter of breaking the law.

Expressing anything (not ilegal) in a peaceful way is ok.

Who has said/or done anything against that?

Lol, the only thing they expressed in a peaceful way is their desire to separate from Spain. Which was promptly declared illegal and hence the following violence. Also, I do not think they expressed or published racist manifests... .

[DeathAngel]

Russia ban Bitcoin
<-->PUMP

Nah, "Russia ban" is out of the question. Putin was on TV just now, discussing cryptocurrencies, said "I'm aware of Central Bank's position" , but "it's important not to create too many barriers".

Superb!
Doubt it’d create any permanent damage any way. The community doesn’t give a crap about the China ban so it’d be no different if Russia did the same.

[starmman]

Russia ban Bitcoin
<-->PUMP

Nah, "Russia ban" is out of the question. Putin was on TV just now, discussing cryptocurrencies, said "I'm aware of Central Bank's position" , but "it's important not to create too many barriers".

Good to hear - its good to have Russia on board

[bitserve]

About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.

Illegal or not, you shouldn't beat your own people for: a) Peacefully protesting. b) Voting.

I do completely agree. AFAIK noone was beaten for that (trying to vote or peacefully protesting). Police had strict orders from Judge to seize ballot boxes, the only people that were beaten were actively hindering (not sure if that is the right english word) the police job. In fact, in most the places they were not able to comply orders because it would have mean a major confrontation and put people (and police units themselves) in higher danger. It was an extremely complex operative, probably the most complex this country has ever coped with.

I do also recognize this incident have had a very bad impact in international media. It would have been way better to have intervened way sooner and just arrest the promoters of the rebelion without exposing any law-abiding citizens to any innecesary risk.

What possible motivation could there be for removing someones freedom of expression by using law?
It is acceptable that a government may take a different view to a sub set of it's people, but it is not acceptable that a government denies those people from  expressing themselves in a peaceful way,

It is a common misunderstanding that freedom of expression is an unlimited freedom. It isn't. You can't publish clearly racist manifests, etc...

But this is not a matter of free speech. It is a matter of breaking the law.

Expressing anything (not ilegal) in a peaceful way is ok.

Who has said/or done anything against that?

Lol, the only thing they expressed in a peaceful way is their desire to separate from Spain. Which was promptly declared illegal and hence the following violence. Also, I do not think they expressed or published racist manifests... .

YOu are right, they didn't (mostly) it was just an example that even freedom of expression has limits but, as I said, this is not a matter of freedom of expression.

The "violence" you are referring to was the outcome of police following an order from the Judges to seize the ballot boxes of an illegal "referendum". No videos I have seen show the people peacefully cooperating with law enforment on their task, on the contrary you can clearly see people actively obstructing the judicial mandate.

Anyone has the right to express their desire to separate from Spain or anything else that is not clearly ilegal (as blatant racism as an example) but NOONE has the right to be above the law and obstruct law enforcement in a task that has been ordered by the Judges. I don't think that is allowed anywhere in the world.

That said... I would have put all this shitshow to an end way sooner going directly for the promoters of the rebellion.  It is sad and very unfortunate things let go up to this point.

[starmman]

Switch them to BTC with Changelly and switch back when you think ATH has been reached.  

I won't. That would completely defeat their purpose as a hedge. I don't care how low they go as long as Bitcoin keeps rising

I suspect they will bounce back after the next fork - prices took a bit of a beating when [BCC|BCH] was released and bounced back immediately after the fork. I made more out of the alt volatility than if I'd pushed everything into BTC. Not sure if history will repeat itself though

[strawbs]

I know that the Bitcoin Gold fork is due to happen on October 25 but can anyone provide a date for the Segwitx2 fork? Thanks

[buyandhold]

I know that the Bitcoin Gold fork is due to happen on October 25 but can anyone provide a date for the Segwitx2 fork? Thanks

http://bashco.github.io/2x_Countdown/

Saturday, November 18, 2017, 5:29 AM
Greenwich Mean Time
This is a rough estimate based on the current block height, proposed block height
to attempt a hard fork, and an average block time of ten minutes per block.
current block: 489245
fork block: 494784
blocks remaining: 5539

[Raja_MBZ]

$4905... Next stop, reverse gear to $4500? Take it as my prediction, I don't want that to happen though.

[El duderino_]

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  Common , win iT 2 times This would be amazing in This unpredictable market

[Ted E. Bare]

We're getting close!!

[El duderino_]

We're getting close!!

I’m thinking if not today its you tommorrow ..... but 2 times same Guy would be like endboss

[vroom]

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🤞🏻 🤞🏻 Common , win iT 2 times This would’t be amazing in This unpredictable market

that would be really amazing. What was bikerlezno's explanation?

[bikerleszno]

We're getting close!!

I’m thinking if not today its you tommorrow ..... but 2 times same Guy would be like endboss

I told u I am still waiting for my answer on priv messages...