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They want to begin the run by being the biggest coin holder in the pond.

What do you think Anon136? Have you observed this in the past?

That's what it's about isn't it. It's not about them having the coins, they already have plenty of coins, it's about others on the exchange NOT having them. So that said others can not impede the bull run by selling on the exchange during the way up. That is the insight I was missing. Shake everyone else out so that there are no sellers.
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They want to begin the run by being the biggest coin holder in the pond.

What do you think Anon136? Have you observed this in the past?

That's what it's about isn't it. It's not about them having the coins, they already have plenty of coins, it's about others on the exchange NOT having them. So that said others can not impede the bull run by selling on the exchange during the way up. That is the insight I was missing. Shake everyone else out so that there are no sellers.

Exactly! They want only buyers left on the way up. The guppies are the exchange buyers that are simply riding on the momentum trade, chasing the wave. The whales want to be the only sellers at the blowoff top, in complete control of the float on the exchange markets so they can decide/control when to massively short/dump and wipe everyone else out. Then scoop up cheap(er) coins on the bounce.
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Hey all you tough talking Jew haters where are your balls now you, fags?

I'm standing up to Goldman BallSacks and I don't see any of you anywhere.

Poloniex is not some small fly by night exchange now it is a Gargantuan Financial institution backed by Goldman BallSacks.

Is Polo liable?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4400856.0

I only have a grand or 2 on there but it is the fact they are trying to take away our rights that I cannot abide. I could easily verify and get my funds but I know there are many who cannot. So I am willing to stand up for us all, but I will need support people, so stand the fuck up.



TOP for standing up to the rothschild schills  Grin Cheesy Wink

Pansies deleted my post!!!!  what a bunch of hypocritical fucks!

Whats worse is they didn't have the courtesy to explain why. Where is the invisible MODERATION line in this thread?

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There's a lot of tolerance here, but just coming in and hurling blanket insults isn't cool. What pushed your post into delete territory was probably the "fags" part. And I don't owe you any courtesy.  Undecided
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Hey all you tough talking Jew haters where are your balls now you, fags?

I'm standing up to Goldman BallSacks and I don't see any of you anywhere.

Poloniex is not some small fly by night exchange now it is a Gargantuan Financial institution backed by Goldman BallSacks.

Is Polo liable?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4400856.0

I only have a grand or 2 on there but it is the fact they are trying to take away our rights that I cannot abide. I could easily verify and get my funds but I know there are many who cannot. So I am willing to stand up for us all, but I will need support people, so stand the fuck up.
Ok well, just in case that was partly directed at me since I have posted in here before about the JQ I guess I'll respond. The people who control the media, banks and academia are Jewish, and those people are our enemies. That said I certainly wouldn't consider myself a "jew hater". Some random dentist who is a Jew does not have my animus. I am foremost an individualist. Now Goldman Sachs hater? Yea, sure.

As for your cause. I read your post. It sounds interesting. I don't know enough about the law to comment on it. If you did talk to a lawyer and found out that goldman had done something illegal, sure I would join you in a class action against goldman if I could. They are evil bastards and part of the reason I am in the crypto space is to hurt them and if that was another way to do it than I would welcome a multi pronged approach. But you just need to talk to a lawyer bro. It won't be expensive to find out if you have a case. Find out if your idea has any merit. Then talk to us.


They want to begin the run by being the biggest coin holder in the pond.

What do you think Anon136? Have you observed this in the past?
That's what it's about isn't it. It's not about them having the coins, they already have plenty of coins, it's about others on the exchange NOT having them. So that said others can not impede the bull run by selling on the exchange during the way up. That is the insight I was missing. Shake everyone else out so that there are no sellers.
Exactly! They want only buyers left on the way up. The guppies are the exchange buyers that are simply riding on the momentum trade, chasing the wave. The whales want to be the only sellers at the blowoff top, in complete control of the float on the exchange markets so they can decide/control when to massively short/dump and wipe everyone else out. Then scoop up cheap(er) coins on the bounce.
Very insightful. I bet you are exactly right.
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All the jew hating on here..my /ignore list is filling up! Smiley

It is all so 'silly' and such a 'generalization' to blame a group for whatever reason....

it's a money thing..those that have and those that do not...money and power concentrate...at least in uncontrolled 'crony capitalism' of the

18th century and standard oil and the Rockefellers etc....seems it is doing so quite rapidly again this decade as well...there will be backlash IMHO,

as it has 'swung' too far ..but we will see...

money has no religion ...it is all about 'power' over others to your advantage.

any other theory is just silly

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All the jew hating on here..my /ignore list is filling up! Smiley

It is all so 'silly' and such a 'generalization' to blame a group for whatever reason....

it's a money thing..those that have and those that do not...money and power concentrate...at least in uncontrolled 'crony capitalism' of the

18th century and standard oil and the Rockefellers etc....seems it is doing so quite rapidly again this decade as well...there will be backlash IMHO,

as it has 'swung' too far ..but we will see...

money has no religion ...it is all about 'power' over others to your advantage.

any other theory is just silly
Consider why the jews have been kicked out of 300 different areas in the world over the past few thousand years. What is it that makes everyone hate them. I'm sure you have an answer to share with the class, given how silly the whole thing is. There surely must be a simple and entirely rational answer.
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the big alts are bubbling up relative to BTC

back in business in my ladders edit/now even in LTC/edit

people are thinking up
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Front page of some scam website right now -> dodgy articles, though
http://www.imf.org/external/index.htm https://archive.is/EVFQi -> http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2018/06/pdf/fd0618.pdf https://archive.is/lfAqK
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Of course, we've seen times before where the deep pocket whales begin the next bull run with a bang, aka a massive dump/short and stop loss hunt to liquidate all the of the leveraged longs first. If the whales accumulate for a long sideways period, this would give them the ammo they need. So I imagine the next bull run trigger will start with something like that. It could take us spiking down briefly to the $5K range in a flash, before heading back up.

Running stops seems to be fundamentally about acquiring product and not so much about effecting the price. Do whales need the coins that are on offer on the exchanges? It seems to me that a whale would interact with an exchange for the purpose of effecting the price more than the purpose of accumulating/liquidating his position. If he were either accumulating or liquidating he would want to do either of those things OTC because if he were accumulating he wouldn't want to drive the price up and if he were liquidating he wouldn't want to drive the price down. So he makes changes to his position OTC but perhaps he tries to use a small portion of his stash to manipulate the price down before making an OTC purchase and vice a verca before making an OTC sale.

I'm not really trying to argue against you here. I'm mostly just interested in how you will respond to these thoughts.

I'd think a whale might want run stops to drive down the market price, just to affect the OTC price. And he'd make some side money on shorts, of course.

In many cases the market manipulators may be the OTC brokers themselves when they realize they have a whale at the end of their harpoon. Whale gets an OTC quote to sell, broker blows his load to drive market price down, whale executes, broker buys back in driving price up again when the next whale comes to buy, profits on his 1-3% margin. Bart pattern complete.

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it's a money thing..those that have and those that do not...money and power concentrate...at least in uncontrolled 'crony capitalism' of the

18th century and standard oil and the Rockefellers etc....seems it is doing so quite rapidly again this decade as well...there will be backlash IMHO,

as it has 'swung' too far ..but we will see...

.. and if/when the big reset comes, there will be golden era for bitcoin and cryptos in general..

all it takes is one or few bit developed countries slowly moving towards gigantic wealth redistribution.
I cant imagine governments doing it without massive tax on rich or outright nationalization of private property and companies. + hyperinflation to cancel debts. (like Venezuela today, with some 50% weekly inflation) There were many examples in the past and its sure it will be repeated again and again.
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In many cases the market manipulators may be the OTC brokers themselves when they realize they have a whale at the end of their harpoon. Whale gets an OTC quote to sell, broker blows his load to drive market price down, whale executes, broker buys back in driving price up again when the next whale comes to buy, profits on his 1-3% margin. Bart pattern complete.

The 6 Costliest Mistakes People Make When Trading Bitcoin OTC

Well, I started to read the article and almost completed. Then I realized that I will probably never be put in a situation where I have to start trading OTC in fear that any moves that I would make would deeply affect the markets in any way.  Cheesy
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Too many bitcoin forks

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next person who says 'EOS' I am coming over there and slapping them with a wet haddock
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looks like a minor support around 7600 was tested and holds well, so another attempt to break out above 7700 may be coming next



next person who says 'IT' I am coming over there and slapping them with a wet haddock
who was the first mentioning it today?  Cheesy
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it's a money thing..those that have and those that do not...money and power concentrate...at least in uncontrolled 'crony capitalism' of the

18th century and standard oil and the Rockefellers etc....seems it is doing so quite rapidly again this decade as well...there will be backlash IMHO,

as it has 'swung' too far ..but we will see...

.. and if/when the big reset comes, there will be golden era for bitcoin and cryptos in general..

all it takes is one or few bit developed countries slowly moving towards gigantic wealth redistribution.
I cant imagine governments doing it without massive tax on rich or outright nationalization of private property and companies. + hyperinflation to cancel debts. (like Venezuela today, with some 50% weekly inflation) There were many examples in the past and its sure it will be repeated again and again.

Not to put fear in anything, but it is a war

Their made up money (controlled) against our made up money (decentralized)
War is inevitable, depends which one wins (Currency war - current, Financial war - imminent, Military - where central banks want to go)

Hard to know what to do.

The other global war going on the Information War (Propaganda/Fake News/Censorship).
To persuade you to follow the government that is going to back the right money(better be our money) is very "confusing" for the average information soldier.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_(cryptocurrency)
https://cointelegraph.com/news/pax-crypto-russia-proposes-first-multinational-cryptocurrency-expert-blog
https://cointelegraph.com/news/member-of-chinas-main-political-advisory-proposes-national-crypto-trading-platform
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/should-australia-start-its-own-cryptocurrency/news-story/368b3f603f42337c70162cf434777ca2

Six global banks join forces to create digital currency
https://www.ft.com/content/20c10d58-8d9c-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d

https://www.coindesk.com/2018-year-central-banks-begin-buying-cryptocurrency/

http://www.wjhg.com/content/news/Russia-bank-helps-Venezuela-defy-US-cryptocurrency-sanctions-482564051.html

Are they really against bitcoin or do they want you to use their crypto?


Welcome to the new wealth redistribution program

We want you for Bitcoin!


I can only imagine it....
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June 02, 2018, 09:32:57 PM
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Bitcoin is almost literally a force of nature at this point. The world will never be the same again.
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Looks like a fools way of attempting to rebrand and confusion cause.   Roll Eyes
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Looks like a fools way of attempting to rebrand and confusion cause.   Roll Eyes


Fixed it

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... sometimes alt coin pumpers spout out a lot of abstract ideas that sound good, and they use abstraction to bamboosle some folks into their scams...

Sometimes, posters like to be flamboyantly verbose with their prose, in an attempt to seem more intelligent and sage-like, when in reality, they are doing it to mask crippling insecurities of wanting to be accepted, but that's none of my business...           /s

+1 Biro Bob merit  Grin (don’t have any Bitcointalk ones... but these are better and much more rare)
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June 02, 2018, 10:19:02 PM

Short-term, bulls probably won't succeed in breaking through $7700. They'll have to come up with better force in upcoming days.

This attempt shows bulls have lost the fuel for now:



Perhaps?  Perhaps?

Sometimes, it is not clear when the bears run out of coins to dump, and the bulls might be able to eat away and eat away at resistance.. and sometimes, when the time is right, the price will just continue to trickle upwards and upwards on relatively low volume because bears are running out of fuel.

I am not saying that I know when this "running out of coins" reversal point is going to come, but it surely could happen at any time - even though each of us has to remain cautious about the potential ongoing affect of the large number of shitty alts that are on the current crypto scene that can have negative affects the infiltrate into bitcoin when they are getting forked, attacked and hackers taking some of the money from their users.... Can cut both ways, and I still remained slightly inclined towards the hypothetical scenario that shitty alts are going to be coming UP with bitcoin when the next upwards price rise comes - though I reserve the right to change my mind at any time regarding that scenario playing out in the next BTC pump (whether in the next few months, or this year or soon thereafter).. On the other hand, if bitcoin price direction goes down rather than up and gets stuck below $6k for a considerable amount of time, then it is possible that more of the crappy alts will be weeded out of the next BTC price pump.. and seems like it would be longer for that alternative scenario to play out.
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