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November 05, 2018, 01:41:40 PM

I have no time to play the catch up game these days unfortunately, so maybe someone has already said that, but bear with me.

I saw btc slightly ramping up, and some momentum is still holding on Monday. A bit unusual lately.
I also see bch climbing up some.

Conspiracy theory cum SOMA prediction: you-know-who got themselves some cheap corn during the latest low sideways, and they are now ready to prop up bcash for some time - or at least to keep it from falling during the early bull run we've stepped in.

What's your opinion?
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November 05, 2018, 01:44:21 PM
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Regarding freezing bank accounts in court cases, I wonder how they will handle things when bitcoin eventually starts to become commonplace. Probably threaten with prison or something? Will be interesting in any case.

That's something I have thought about in the past.

I would say it would go like this:

- If the court has proof you got (or were supposed to have the BTC) then order you to render them. If you don't then yep, threat you with a) Big fines and b) Prison. Also sometimes a Search warrant is issued and it could lead to: a) The keys of your BTC holdings (yes, it happens!) or b) Additional proof about you hodling BTC.

- If the court doesn't know/have proof of you having BTC and you end up with a sentence that orders you to pay an amount you can't pay with what you "officially" have (registered assets, bank accounts) then: a) you end up in debt for the rest of your life for whatever future income you may have b) Sometimes also jail time if you don't pay, so it is your decision if you want to use the BTC to pay to avoid prison or not.

In either case, after you have claimed to be officially broke (while hodling BTC on the sideline) good luck on using/converting those BTC in the future to "official money on your name" because:

a) As soon as you do you are supposed to pay the amounts you owe.... which have probably growed a lot due to outrageous official interest fees (6%) and surcharges (up to 3x the initial amount excluding interests).

b) Even if at that moment BTC has grown so much that you can fully pay your debt with a nice remaining.... you would have a hard time laundering those unexplained BTC and profits that you already had (ie. not bought AFTER... which anyways you couldn't because you had a debt pending, member?) while declaring yourself broke. You can't just produce them out of thin air, specially not after you have claimed bankruptcy in the past.

It's basically the same that happened to people being officially broke but having a lot of cash hidden somewhere or unconnected offshore accounts.

Also KYC/AML is and will keep tightening in the future so "black markets" will be your only resort, not being able to buy any registered assets (real estate, cars, BOATS, etc) use of credit cards, etc.... AND be careful with showing "external signs of wealth" or you could face new charges of money laundering in addition to what you already had pending.

Once you are declared "officially" broke and in DEEP debt, you are basically "broke" for the rest of your life no matter what you may have hidden somewhere. There are exceptions, but those are usually pretty expensive and/or require moving to another country where you may launder your hidden money with less of a burden.

That's more or less how it works..... Bitcoin is not that different in that to other "hidden" wealth sources and it would be subject to the same "treatment".
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November 05, 2018, 01:54:49 PM

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Family establishment!
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November 05, 2018, 02:05:15 PM

^^To much alt-coinery  Roll Eyes  Tongue
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November 05, 2018, 02:29:18 PM
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BCH has popped up like 35% over the week, no clue why, must be manipulation with Ver.
the pump started here:
https://support.binance.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018711772
shitcoin is prob forking
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November 05, 2018, 02:50:28 PM

I just find it strange how over 15k shorts on just bitfinex can close so seemlessly in a weeks time.  Obviously, someone with huge pockets see's a rise in the future.

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I am conflicted on organ donation. On one hand, it makes our species as a whole weaker as people who should have died stay alive and procreate, breeding even more weak and sickly people. On the other, it maximizes the use of resources. Difficult.

Humans that have automobile accidents need organs, too.

Having been in one, yes they do. But we don't discriminate between people who are useful and people who are pieces of shit in the current medical system, and most people are pieces of shit.

The problem with organ donation "scarcity" would be solved if being on the registered donors list way BEFORE needing an organ would be a requirement to later receive an organ. I would give a two year moratory starting today and who hasn't been on the list for at least 1 year on the date of need would NOT be anymore suitable for receiving an organ. Watch the donors list skyrocket in no time. Conflict solved. Selfishness can be a great mover if used right.

Also, addressing your concern, most people receiving an organ have probably already breed their weaklings.....
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there's always an exception

https://twitter.com/Hotkatchina/status/1055935401142050816
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November 05, 2018, 03:22:18 PM

BCH has popped up like 35% over the week, no clue why, must be manipulation with Ver.
the pump started here:
https://support.binance.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018711772
shitcoin is prob forking
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November 05, 2018, 03:24:01 PM

Hmm...bcash is up but not enough for me to pull out my cold storage.

I only did a few at .2 BTC...it's less than .1
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https://twitter.com/CarpeNoctom/status/1059414399243481090
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November 05, 2018, 03:32:21 PM

Hmm...bcash is up but not enough for me to pull out my cold storage.

I only did a few at .2 BTC...it's less than .1

it always reminds me on "to good to be true story's"

they always telling me as a NR.1 rule if SHIT sounds to nice then its a scam or not true ........

NOW there is a story been told to me and it goes like on that date.... you will be getting a TON of SHIT with what you can do as pleased...... so i asked can i convert that SHIT into whatever currency as i will, the story goes YES you can.

so the date is here and i did get myself a TON of real SHIT (Bcash), and yes i did bought myself some other REAL BTC's with that.

so when somebody is telling its to good to be true, then i will double-check it always, never know if i can get FREE BTC's out of it.  Grin
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We desperately need a code of conduct around here:
1.Do not read the thread
2.Ignore roach
2.5. Don't mention the price
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We desperately need a code of conduct around here:
1.Do not read the thread
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3.wear a hat
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November 05, 2018, 03:36:22 PM

^
best counter post in pages  Roll Eyes  Grin  Grin
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November 05, 2018, 03:43:06 PM

Some very good points in this article. I thought only 3 mil Bitcoins are lost, but the author claims that the number increased to 7 mil. Even if that is not the precise number, I agree with all of the statements there:
https://u.today/bitcoin-price-prediction-for-november-the-market-is-wound-up-and-waiting
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November 05, 2018, 03:51:37 PM

I'm afraid we might go off prematurely here.

Another year and another 1500 down is what we really need to set up right, it's not looking like we are going to get it.
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