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[nanobtc]

Ah, Throbbing Gristle. My grandma used to sing their songs to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbbing_Gristle

[Dabs]

...
 Same reason I have people managing my portfolios.
 Same reason I hire people to do jobs that I'm not skilled at.
...

I'm probably not qualified, but may I try? I have some asset allocations in mind, but mostly index funds, a small bunch of them.

[Lambie Slayer]

"The Dip"

Buy buy buy buy buy
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[jojo69]

looking pretty ugly

[Lambie Slayer]

117 into the new BTCaby BTCull Market and all is well. 

Halvening cycle over 72 percent complete.

[Lambie Slayer]

https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/food/slaters-50-50-serves-a-24k-burger-made-with-real-gold-1526942/

"Slater’s 50/50, known for its iconic burger with a healthy dose of bacon, has done it again with a sandwich that’s a tribute to Las Vegas. The 24K Burger starts with a brioche bun dusted with 24-karat gold, stacked with three strips of 24K “BTCillionaire’s BTCacon,” a half-pound of Australian wagyu beef, truffle cheese, baby arugula, bacon jam, roasted garlic aioli and demi-glace, with regular or sweet potato fries on the side. It sells for $24."

So looks like I have to not only try millionaires bacon, but also get me sum uh dat BTCillionaires BTCacon glazed with 24k gold dust. 



6k soon

[Biodom]

A simple fact:

in 1975 the minimal wage was $5.15
in 2019 the minimal wage is $7.25

Well, $5.15 adjusted for inflation would be $24.33 today, so $15 number is not crazy.

Bob surely produces mixed messages (like paying 1% for 7 fig btc tx is OK, but $15/hr for MickeyD is too much).
The rich are different..., but I liked him more during drinking period...

I had to look this up bc I remember making 4.25 in high school decades after 1975.

Looks like minimum wage was 2.10 in '75.


I believe minimum wage is morally wrong because it makes it illegal for you to sell your labor for under a certain price. This prices out some people out of the work force against their will. I see it as somewhat useful in a fiat currency system where the workers are getting constant de facto pay cuts each day as the currency is debased through money printing. These workers cant negotiate pay raises fast enough to keep up with the de facto pay cuts.

When Bitcoin is the global reserve currency and all sane workers demand to be paid in Bitcoin, de facto pay cuts will be a thing of the past and minimum wage wont be useful at all. Workers will have all the bargaining power. Begging bosses or govs for raises each year wont be necessary as workers will have de facto pay raises as the currency gains value. When Bitcoin gains value too fast for some employers to successfully stay in business, then employers will have to come hat in hand and beg the workers to take less Bitcoin so they can stay in business.

This change in the power dynamic of employee/employer wage negotiation will usher in a prosperity the world has never witnessed.

6k soon.

Corrected (not sure where I got a source that was so wrong).
Labor is weak in US, however even super docile teachers were striking or threatening to do so in a bunch of southern states last year when they decided that they cannot take it anymore (even with the laws expressly prohibiting such strike).
IMHO, a state that is not taking proper care of education is doomed in the long run.

[Hueristic]

Corrected (not sure where I got a source that was so wrong).
Labor is weak in US, however even super docile teachers were striking or threatening to do so in a bunch of southern states last year when they decided that they cannot take it anymore (even with the laws expressly prohibiting such strike).
IMHO, a state that is not taking proper care of education is doomed in the long run.

They're all a bunch of dumb ass fucks anyway who cares if their dumb ass kids get even less than their 5th grade average.

Fuck Gov subsidized education it is a total waste.

[jojo69]

who cares if their dumb ass kids get even less than their 5th grade average.

Well, you well may when you find you have to draw down on a couple of them when they try and jump you while you are pumping fuel.

[Toxic2040]

looking pretty ugly

stand fast men

117 into the new BTCaby BTCull Market and all is well. 

Halvening cycle over 72 percent complete.

+1 WOsMerit



#stronghands

[Lambie Slayer]

5k is back again. We just keep teasing the Bears.

[Hueristic]

who cares if their dumb ass kids get even less than their 5th grade average.

Well, you well may when you find you have to draw down on a couple of them when they try and jump you while you are pumping fuel.

Isn't that why they have their stand your ground law?

[jojo69]

Yes, but actually getting into armed confrontations is not pleasant.  Maintaining a base level of functioning society seems like a better investment the older I get.

[bitserve]

Yes, but actually getting into armed confrontations is not pleasant.  Maintaining a base level of functioning society seems like a better investment the older I get.

Of course, that's the reason for most of state subsidies (be it education, pensions, social security, poor subsidies, etc), it's not that much "charity" as it is maintaining the status quo and public safety for the rest.

P.S.: I am not a socialist.... But it is easy to understand the reasons behind it.

[Hueristic]

Yes, but actually getting into armed confrontations is not pleasant.  Maintaining a base level of functioning society seems like a better investment the older I get.

Mutually assured destruction works, you can look it up.

[bitserve]

throbs

My head is throbbing.
My ass is also throbbing.
Taxation is theft.

EDIT: Sorry for getting cranky today, brothers. Rick is presently in the process of sending off our FY18 tax payments, as well as making our FY19 estimated Q1 payments, and the ACA stuff just blindsided me completely out of nowhere this morning. Really put me in quite an awful mood.

I don't really think it will make your disappointment over the taxes issue vanish... but let's just always remember that you could be in a much worse situation, move on, and enjoy life!

[JayJuanGee]

I believe minimum wage is morally wrong because it makes it illegal for you to sell your labor for under a certain price.

Likely you misspoke, here.  Morally wrong and illegal are two different things.

When Bitcoin is the global reserve currency and all sane workers demand to be paid in Bitcoin, de facto pay cuts will be a thing of the past and minimum wage wont be useful at all. Workers will have all the bargaining power. Begging bosses or govs for raises each year wont be necessary as workers will have de facto pay raises as the currency gains value. When Bitcoin gains value too fast for some employers to successfully stay in business, then employers will have to come hat in hand and beg the workers to take less Bitcoin so they can stay in business.

This change in the power dynamic of employee/employer wage negotiation will usher in a prosperity the world has never witnessed.

I agree that bitcoin changes the kinds of incentives that are currently in place, and may even cause governments and banks to be more honest in terms of money.. On the other hand, I doubt that bitcoin will remove the need for governments to make attempts at protecting the most vulnerable.. whether governments are good intentioned in that regard or successful in various aims "to protect" the less privileged is likely another story.

In other words, it is likely going to take a few generations for these bitcoin dynamics to play out and to witness whether society is better off including people who might be more vulnerable to exploitation in regards to labor situations.

[bitserve]

I believe minimum wage is morally wrong because it makes it illegal for you to sell your labor for under a certain price.

Likely you misspoke, here.  Morally wrong and illegal are two different things.

Likely you misread Lambie... Minimum wages makes ilegal to work being paid less than that... and it is morally wrong to impose such limitation because it ends up in more unemployment and bars from working (and being paid *anything*) people that do not produce/deserve more than that. I do agree... with some reserves though.

[JayJuanGee]

I am not supporting illegal migration.  I am simply stating that much of the US economy runs on illegal migrant labor.  This is a fact.  

A fact that needs to change. Even it crashes the local economy. America will adapt, always has, always will.

And no, American teenagers do not want to pick bell peppers out of the dirt in the blazing sun for $2 per hour.  

And that's their whole fucking problem, isn't it? Coddled, spoiled, privileged, sitting on their fat asses drinking their $4 lattes and eating $7 avocado toast and $9 millionaire's bacon. All the while crying about illegals taking their jobs.

But no worries, when the world economy goes to shit... they'll learn... by picking free grown bell peppers in the blazing sun out of their back yards just to eat.

I had to google millionaire's bacon. I must try this soon.

Doesn't sound good.  I am already a bit reluctant to eat bacon because of sugar in the processing, but to add more sugar, that is not a good thing.

Don't get me wrong, I do like bacon, but geez.. adding more sugar to it, does not seem like a good direction to go, in terms of health impacts... but I would still try it out, just to say that I tried it.

[JayJuanGee]

I believe minimum wage is morally wrong because it makes it illegal for you to sell your labor for under a certain price.

Likely you misspoke, here.  Morally wrong and illegal are two different things.

Likely you misread Lambie... Minimum wages makes ilegal to work being paid less than that... and it is morally wrong to impose such limitation because it ends up in more unemployment and bars from working (and being paid *anything*) people that do not produce/deserve more than that. I do agree... with some reserves though.

I doubt that I misread or misunderstood Lambie...

Minimum wage brings an attempt at a balancing of interests, and sometimes those interests are not very well balanced, but whether something is immoral or illegal tend to be different questions, and sometimes might overlap.. but they are a bit different categories of consideration.