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April 04, 2019, 09:35:52 PM

Can we just not let the arguing with jbreher polarize sides as if there was no middle more reasonable field?

Bitcoin is scaling the right way. But that doesn't mean it won't have a moderate and reasonable block size increase in the (near?) future.

L2 is the way to go, but block size will also need some (linear, not exponential as that's what L2 is for) capacity upgrade sometime.

and are we really just giving blockstream inc. a pass?
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April 04, 2019, 09:36:58 PM

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Jbreher should be joining his BCHABC - BTC-SV friends at r/btc. He can shit on Segwit/LN and Core dev. 24/7.

He will be loved over there  but here he's  just a moron.

Likely, jbreher "feels" as if he is performing a greater service these here parts.  Doing "god's work," so to speak.*


* NO jbreher.  I don't mind at all putting words into your mouth(or brain)...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  The only kind of contributory service that you seem to be providing around here is as a common grounds "punching bag."  Thanks for that.  Roll Eyes NOT
The only "feels" I see are coming from his opposition. Every post I've skimmed that was directed against him today was essentially completely worthless. All personal attacks and ideological horseshit over rigorous arguments.

I second it. His technical points are well taken. I haven't seen the real answer besides that answers would be provided in due time.
Personally, I am fully on btc team as the only fork coins I ever had came from forks, not by buying.

That said, I wished that we would be a bit farther along in LN and possibly in LN onboarding.
two points that he (jbreher) contends: fees are bound to go sky high and LN cannot onboard all earthlings if every on-boarding event is a single on-block tx (not batched).
While we were largely not looking, next block fees went up to $1 (from 2c in Jan).
It is still OK for largish tx, but makes little sense when you need to stitch together many UTXO (consolidate, as miners do).
I also don't like dismissive attitudes of someone's position when this position is clearly articulated.
Instead of calling names, provide an argument.

He is technically right in that BTC should increase its blocksize soon. He is wrong in that any of the forks have anything to do with Bitcoin nor will ever do. There is only one Bitcoin and that is BTC. If that ever changes, say goodbye to crypto (all of it) as a store of value.

He is also wrong in that scaling should come on blocksize alone. The only functional way to really scale massively is via L2. You can increase capacity by increasing blocksize, but you can only SCALE by L2.

He is right in some things, wrong in others.... why are we still discussing this over and over?

BCH, BSV, etc etc are not and will not ever be Bitcoin. Same as LTC (for which I have some preference) won't be either, nor DOGE or BTG. There is nothing to argue about that.

I would prefer if we started discussing about a (reasonable and linear ie 2x, maybe even 4x) block size increase of *Bitcoin*. That would be way more productive, if at all.
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April 04, 2019, 09:40:59 PM

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From "time to time"  Cheesy

Its Thursday, so Ill think Ill drop some truth on you old friend Smiley

You really wonder if Mic being so friendly to others on this forum is healthy? Of course it is. Being consistently cranky, salty, confrontational, toxic etc in your every day life to everyone around you is extremely unhealthy and wreaks havoc on your physical and mental health. Study after study has demonstrated the negative health consequences of living life as an obstinate prick. It shortens your lifespan and decreases your health and quality of life(Thursdays for instance) for the duration of your shorter life.

Instead of jealously criticizing Mr. Goose for being friendly and well liked here, you should emulate some of his character traits and you will stay alive to hodl longer and maybe bag on JJG thursdays will be called off even.  

You are offering like a two for one service there, lambie.



For free, too.

What would this thread be without you?  Thank you so much for the much needed and frequently not so well said input regarding these kinds of current ongoing thread/forum dynamics.   Wink

Surely, you are an "asset" and in case anyone did not know, we could just ask you.  Perhaps we don't even need to ask?  Thanks again.

The truth needs no thanks good sir, but you're welcome Wink
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April 04, 2019, 09:55:54 PM

Still unanswered: How LN is going to help when Layer 1 is already clogged to the point of uselessness.

We will cross that bridge when we get there.  

If this price pump continues, we could get there next week. Unfortunately, there is no solution on the horizon under discussion.

And, get the fuck out of here with your exaggeration that there is no plan in BTC..

OK, JJG. Tell me what the plan is to deal with the fact that once blocks are persistently full, then average fees rise uncontrollably, average wait times raise uncontrollably, LN channel openings and closings get economically prohibitive, and number of new entrants gets hard-capped.

What is the plan, JJG - what is the plan?

Bitcoin don't no need additional plan,

So you admit that the bolded statement of yours above was an untruthful attack.
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April 04, 2019, 09:58:29 PM
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Can we just not let the arguing with jbreher polarize sides as if there was no middle more reasonable field?

Bitcoin is scaling the right way. But that doesn't mean it won't have a moderate and reasonable block size increase in the (near?) future.

L2 is the way to go, but block size will also need some (linear, not exponential as that's what L2 is for) capacity upgrade sometime.

and are we really just giving blockstream inc. a pass?

I am not sure what you mean. Some say blockstream wants to focus on L2 (something that I consider extremely important for scaling) and also that they won't ever allow a block size increase (something that I am not sure if it is just FUD, because that sounds simply stupid).

My point of view is that Bitcoin needs both L2 and a gradual blocksize increase, being L2 responsible for most of the massive scaling and block size increase enough to support L2 and bigger/not so frequent tx's directly on-chain.

Also I am pretty sure whatever is done need to be done via CONSENSUS. Other than that would not be Bitcoin, but just a worthless copycat (and we already have enough of those, don't we?)
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It seems to me that we have ceded a great deal of influence on BTC development to a single corporate entity.
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April 04, 2019, 10:09:39 PM

It seems to me that we have ceded a great deal of influence on BTC development to a single corporate entity.

Maybe... except we haven't really "ceded" anything as "we" didn't have any real influence over that outcome.

Also I am not completely sure about how much real influence they do or not have. I mean, they for sure do have a lot but.... too much? Donno.

I will be clear... I am 100% for L2 as a scaling solution, but I am also advocating for a CONSENSUATED linear blocksize increase in the near future.

For full disclosure: I was even pro Segwit2X at the time..... *if* it have had CONSENSUS, which it didn't.

And I still think that had Segwit2X went thru, all other forks would already be in the grave instead of just agonizing.
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April 04, 2019, 10:14:46 PM

The price has risen by 50% in less than four months and we're a bit 'meh' because it's not doing more.

No wonder the institutions are terrified of it Wink

But Bicoiners can handle it; they can't. 

Gotta love it - we are veteran soldiers in a world where others will follow in awe that we were there when it all started.


Some bloke called Kipling talked about what it takes to hodl:

If you can keep your head when all about you   
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;   
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same;   
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   
And so hodl on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hodl on!

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   
    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
    If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!


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April 04, 2019, 10:34:06 PM

^
Gonna read it tomorrow as well
Crawling in HODLposition.......

But #HODL-on

Good night WO’s Smiley
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April 05, 2019, 12:28:36 AM

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Parallel lines have so much in common.  It's a shame they'll never meet.

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April 05, 2019, 01:48:45 AM

Can people stop engaging Jbreher. If I want to read his bullshit I'll go to /r/btc. He's beyond salvation.

He seems ok as a person but his bitcoin views seem a bit silly. He’s clearly a really intelligent guy so I see his pro BCH & BCHSV agendas as very suspicious.

I think he’s very likely to be a paid shill.

You can consider it likely if you want. But I am not paid for my advocacy of Bitcoins in any flavor, be it SV, BCH, or BTC. Meantime, half of y'all are whoring out your reputations to shill some crap product in y'all's sigs. Imagine the irony.
I would never expect you to be a shill, I think they have you and most of the BCH community wrong. I just think you are all very ideological and wanting Bitcoin to be a digital cash and see no use of anything not directly on the blockchain. No second layer no whatnot, I do think a majority of bch users are from those who couldnt afford a whole Bitcoin and are younger and follow Roger and Craig like their Hollywood stars. While those like you only care about the blockchain and everything being on it.
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April 05, 2019, 02:48:59 AM

FOMO on BTC means different things, to different people.

To the OG here, who have 'been there, and done that', 30% in three days reminds them of the good old days. Days of Future Passed (make up your own Moody Blues joke here, senior citizens).

To the new kids on the block here, it's more "OMG, I won't have to work!" {Todd Rundgren: Just want to bang on the drums, all day}.

I'm new here, I cannot yet understand everything jbreher says, but he does have a few clues about what is real.

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April 05, 2019, 03:02:00 AM

110 days into the new BTCaby BTCull Market and all is well.  Grin
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Good evening all.

The eight o'clock all is well report has just come in...ehem.

All is well.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

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bitcoin

Strong support at the $4.9k range has opened up a foothold for the path upwards as the battle for 5k continues. Slowly rising support levels have buoyed the flagging spirits of the Bulls as they gather their strength for the upcoming weekend assault. Bears also appear exhausted as sellers are unable to break below the strong 0.236 fib support.

The action is sure to heat up as we move closer to Friday so stay tuned folks.  Brought to you by #dyorandbtd's inc.TM
  
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kingfisher sounds a call
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April 05, 2019, 03:46:34 AM

https://www.newsbtc.com/2019/04/04/speculate-bitcoin-use/

"However, recent research indicates that emerging markets are rapidly getting into Bitcoin and their buying patterns suggest that their interest lies in more than simply speculation."

Dat organic adoption. Grin
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4h

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April 05, 2019, 04:51:52 AM
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^^^
I remember me being a bit rude towards him as well, and he always countered me very polite, I (already longer time) massively changed my behavior towards him cause as you say, on BTC everybody can have his own OPINION, I do hate Jbreher's thought but @the same time he does own BTC as well .... so can't be so bad, later on he will regret of not being completely in BTC alone...
But I do remember me acting wrong towards him, common Jbreher go FULL BTC  Cheesy  Cheesy

You know mic I tried being polite to him in turn but then sometimes he's just massively cockish for no good reason and my desire to be polite flies out the window.

What some people (to the extent that they are "people") seem to fail/refuse to recognize and appreciate is that sometimes it is necessary to NOT be polite to trolls/shills.  

Some of the trolls/shills can be passive aggressive in order to attempt to cause more people to listen to their bullshit and their misleading information.  

Jbreher is like this, just like jstolfi was like this.  

Forum members like jbreher (including  yours truly), just like they liked jstolfi (I never did like jstolfi, even though he tended to be polite as fuck).
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How many people in this thread run their own node? One? Two?

One!


Cool. I'm actually interested to know the answer to that question...

Was it LFC that was running a Lightning node for a while? I know somebody was...

Everyone who runs a node please raise your hand.


I don't run anything at the moment.

Maybe we could get infofront to structure a poll around this question?  You know how good he is at structuring specifics into his polls.  














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