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You seem to be misreading or misunderstanding quite a number of post. I've seen you do it with my own posts, with jbreher's posts and now with Lambie's post (even after your display of illiteracy was pointed out to you by bitserve). Perhaps spend more time reading and less time writing?

Aren't you the expert, now.   Says that didn't read my posts, but knows how to sum them up.  Whoaza!!!

I will let my posts speak for themselves..     Shocked
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You seem to be misreading or misunderstanding quite a number of post. I've seen you do it with my own posts, with jbreher's posts and now with Lambie's post (even after your display of illiteracy was pointed out to you by bitserve). Perhaps spend more time reading and less time writing?

Aren't you the expert, now.   Says that didn't read my posts, but knows how to sum them up.  Whoaza!!!

I will let my posts speak for themselves..     Shocked
I read enough of them to know that you think that killing babies is a "basic life choice".
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April 12, 2019, 04:52:58 AM

Your taxes helped poor people and an overwhelming amount of illegal aliens get basic healthcare!?

FTFY. Would rather have put ACA money into building the wall, to mitigate the arguable open border and flood of illegal immigration we are dealing with.

Also, I draw the line at my tax dollars being used for third trimester abortions, in the name of "basic healthcare".

Yeah right...  


A purported black gay man complaining that other socially marginalized people are getting too many societal protections, including access to basic life choices.

The irony.. the irony.
I was not aware that you were a racist JJG.

Your evidence?  I might have to roll my eyes at you too...


What a goofball!!!!  or would retarded be a better assertion, here?

hahahahaha   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
The way in which you spam smileys and repeatedly fail to distill the content of posts made by numerous people as well as the fact that your walls of text are generally the same poor points rephrased several times implies very little hope for you if I was truly to be retarded.

Also, calling third trimester abortions "basic life choices" depicts you as a degenerate of the highest order.

look who woke up on the wrong side of the bed...

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April 12, 2019, 04:54:03 AM

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You seem to be misreading or misunderstanding quite a number of post. I've seen you do it with my own posts, with jbreher's posts and now with Lambie's post (even after your display of illiteracy was pointed out to you by bitserve). Perhaps spend more time reading and less time writing?

Aren't you the expert, now.   Says that didn't read my posts, but knows how to sum them up.  Whoaza!!!

I will let my posts speak for themselves..     Shocked
I read enough of them to know that you think that killing babies is a "basic life choice".

Look at you.... trying to goad me into nonsense.

You can't even believe that.   Roll Eyes
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April 12, 2019, 04:55:55 AM

As far as the productivity gap goes. Workers are more productive because of the tools the business owners acquire for their use. As such, the numbers are inaccurate for any worker that does not buy their own tools to use in the business.

The productivity tool is a laptop which costs perhaps $1k.  It is neither here nor there who buys the laptop - it’s only $1k.   It is what you do with the laptop that matters.
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April 12, 2019, 04:59:28 AM

I believe minimum wage is morally wrong because it makes it illegal for you to sell your labor for under a certain price.

Likely you misspoke, here.  Morally wrong and illegal are two different things.


Likely you misread Lambie... Minimum wages makes ilegal to work being paid less than that... and it is morally wrong to impose such limitation because it ends up in more unemployment and bars from working (and being paid *anything*) people that do not produce/deserve more than that. I do agree... with some reserves though.

I doubt that I misread or misunderstood Lambie...

Minimum wage brings an attempt at a balancing of interests, and sometimes those interests are not very well balanced, but whether something is immoral or illegal tend to be different questions, and sometimes might overlap.. but they are a bit different categories of consideration.
You seem to be misreading or misunderstanding quite a number of post. I've seen you do it with my own posts, with jbreher's posts and now with Lambie's post (even after your display of illiteracy was pointed out to you by bitserve). Perhaps spend more time reading and less time writing?

I don't see the connection to the minimum wage, which is a function of productivity and income?

Historically, there was a connection between productivity and income, but it largely disappeared in the last 45 years or so.
These are the facts:
Productivity change 1973-2017: 77%
Hourly pay during the same period: 12.4%
https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

I don't care what causes this, but it can't be sustainable.
As far as the productivity gap goes. Workers are more productive because of the tools the business owners acquire for their use. As such, the numbers are inaccurate for any worker that does not buy their own tools to use in the business.

This does not explain why in 1950-1973 period two graphs coincided.
A simpler explanation would be that after 1973 economy get "financialized" and a larger slice of production gains (in %) went into the pocket of financiers, CEOs, etc.
Perhaps it is a natural law, but then 1789 is a natural law as well. Do we want a repeat? I hope, not.
Pauperizing workers cannot end in anything even remotely good down the pike.
Can it last another 50 years?
Maybe, but i hope to be out of the workforce, politics, etc one way or another well before that.
Resources congregating around a select few central points indeed appears to be a natural law of some sort. Just look at the universe (distribution of galaxies, stars within), countries, cities, wealth etc.

I think the solution to the problem is better education and fact bases political and public discourse though. People need to do things that they and others care about.
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I am working on something like this, for the monthly statistics of the current year in this format, I will improve the presentation, and historical statistics in an quote format.

Ok?

Why asking for permission?
We are bitcoiners, we should be anarco-crypto-liberists (not liberals).
Just do it, worst thing it can happen, someone will scroll past your post.
I would also add a link to the most merited post  for every month!


If I know, but WO is not a thread of statistics, I think it's more ethical to ask if they like the proposal. I do not want to publish something that does not interest anyone.

The issue of merits will not be in the statistics, it is very controversial and in WO there is talk of BTC, not of merits.
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April 12, 2019, 06:00:25 AM

As far as the productivity gap goes. Workers are more productive because of the tools the business owners acquire for their use. As such, the numbers are inaccurate for any worker that does not buy their own tools to use in the business.

The productivity tool is a laptop which costs perhaps $1k.  It is neither here nor there who buys the laptop - it’s only $1k.   It is what you do with the laptop that matters.
I agree that some of the costs aren't going to be relevant, but I don't think that someone doing "grunt work" (repetitive tasks) while using expensive tools is being as productive as those numbers seem to indicate.

I do not know how strong this effect is, but I doubt it's being sufficiently (or at all) considered given that there is literally zero mention of it. Alas, to me this metric seems like either a lack of statistical understanding or political use of statistics.

If there's an oversupply of workers who can use tools that leverage productivity doing the same tasks then naturally they will earn less.

That means that people are learning the wrong things more than anything though.

People have to learn that when there's an oversupply they should look for other avenues where they can leverage their income better. Too much supply lowers your relative productivity substantially, as such I dispute the claim that worker productivity has gone up. Given the sheer amount of low level tasks I'd lean towards assuming that it remained largely constant.


Also, the productivity tool is not just a laptop. Software, data, data processing (cloud computing) in the case of IT jobs are just some factors that the worker has no ownership of and thus can't be accredited with the increase in productivity that these provide.
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Good morning WO's! I have a good news!
Changpen Zhao reminded that Craig Wright is not Satoshi, and even delisted Bitcoin SV from the stock exchange.


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Good morning WO's! I have a good news!
Changpen Zhao reminded that Craig Wright is not Satoshi, and even delisted Bitcoin SV from the stock exchange.



I'm starting to like the guy. Even if one could make an argument that he's trying to get attention.

Did CSW pull some new stunt recently though or what's the deal here?
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April 12, 2019, 06:14:46 AM

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Two of my favorite 80s albums. Metallica and The Smiths if I'm not mistaken.

Good morning WO's! I have a good news!
Changpen Zhao reminded that Craig Wright is not Satoshi, and even delisted Bitcoin SV from the stock exchange.




Good find. Glad to see even fewer people are putting up with Craig's insufferable tomfoolery. The man is a cancer on crypto.

https://micky.com.au/binances-cz-threatens-to-delist-bitcoin-sv-over-hodlonaut-threats/
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Two of my favorite 80s albums. Metallica and The Smiths if I'm not mistaken.

Good morning WO's! I have a good news!
Changpen Zhao reminded that Craig Wright is not Satoshi, and even delisted Bitcoin SV from the stock exchange.




Good find. Glad to see even fewer people are putting up with Craig's insufferable tomfoolery. The man is a cancer on crypto.

https://micky.com.au/binances-cz-threatens-to-delist-bitcoin-sv-over-hodlonaut-threats/

Glad I sold my 806 BSV last week.
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Did CSW pull some new stunt recently though or what's the deal here?

He inferred he would pay $5k for the dox of one of his most vocal critics, Hodlnaut, so that way he could sue him for saying he's not Satoshi.

For a man who's supposedly very smart, he sure is retarded.
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April 12, 2019, 07:09:33 AM

I believe minimum wage is morally wrong because it makes it illegal for you to sell your labor for under a certain price.

Likely you misspoke, here.  Morally wrong and illegal are two different things.


Likely you misread Lambie... Minimum wages makes ilegal to work being paid less than that... and it is morally wrong to impose such limitation because it ends up in more unemployment and bars from working (and being paid *anything*) people that do not produce/deserve more than that. I do agree... with some reserves though.

I doubt that I misread or misunderstood Lambie...

Minimum wage brings an attempt at a balancing of interests, and sometimes those interests are not very well balanced, but whether something is immoral or illegal tend to be different questions, and sometimes might overlap.. but they are a bit different categories of consideration.

Juan, my thoughts here are similar to Bitserve. I dont see why you would think I misspoke here, so perhaps you did not get my meaning. I stated a belief that minimum wage is immoral. I stated why I believe this, because it makes it illegal to sell your labor under a certain price. Its just an opinion, but I was pretty clear about it and I never implied morally wrong and illegal were the same things.

I am ok with minimum wage in a fiat system at the moment bc the de facto pay cut of currency debasement would wreak havoc on the vulnerable even more than it does now. Basically Im ok with fighting the immorality of money printing and employer oppression with the immorality of minimum wage.

But I believe when(not if) Bitcoin takes over as the main currency employees are paid in, then we will have made money printing obsolete and we can stop the immoral practice of minimum wages that price the low skilled, ex cons, mentally handicapped, drug addicts, homeless, etc, out of the work force.

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Did CSW pull some new stunt recently though or what's the deal here?

He inferred he would pay $5k for the dox of one of his most vocal critics, Hodlnaut, so that way he could sue him for saying he's not Satoshi.

For a man who's supposedly very smart, he sure is retarded.
Wonder what the fuck is going on in that guy's head and how he became such a clown.
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I am not supporting illegal migration.  I am simply stating that much of the US economy runs on illegal migrant labor.  This is a fact.  
A fact that needs to change. Even it crashes the local economy. America will adapt, always has, always will.

And no, American teenagers do not want to pick bell peppers out of the dirt in the blazing sun for $2 per hour.  
And that's their whole fucking problem, isn't it? Coddled, spoiled, privileged, sitting on their fat asses drinking their $4 lattes and eating $7 avocado toast and $9 millionaire's bacon. All the while crying about illegals taking their jobs.

But no worries, when the world economy goes to shit... they'll learn... by picking free grown bell peppers in the blazing sun out of their back yards just to eat.

I had to google millionaire's bacon. I must try this soon. Smiley

Doesn't sound good.  I am already a bit reluctant to eat bacon because of sugar in the processing, but to add more sugar, that is not a good thing.

Don't get me wrong, I do like bacon, but geez.. adding more sugar to it, does not seem like a good direction to go, in terms of health impacts... but I would still try it out, just to say that I tried it.

Well just skip the millionaire bacon, and go for the more healthy BTCillionaire Bacon. Zero calories in 24k gold dust.  Grin

"Pure gold is chemically inert and passes through the human digestive system without being absorbed into the body. Since 24-karat gold is very soft and fragile, most edible gold—whether leaf, flakes, or dust—also contains a little bit of silver, which is also inert."

https://slate.com/technology/2012/07/the-666-gold-wrapped-douche-burger-is-it-safe-to-eat-gold.html

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April 12, 2019, 07:16:19 AM

Good morning WO's! I have a good news!
Changpen Zhao reminded that Craig Wright is not Satoshi, and even delisted Bitcoin SV from the stock exchange.




Lol @ Zhao.

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I know it s kind of brutal to insert some bitcoin related topic when all of you guys are busy exploring political stuff and I hope you will forgive me.

there was a conference on Malta where bitcoin professionals enlightened the world about what to expect in the coming months and what is possible right now. the understandingbitcoin conference will be held again in April 2020. I hope to see all of you there next year.


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The Understanding Bitcoin conference held in Malta from April 5 to April 7, 2019, was all about turning regular Bitcoin users into power users.

Bitcoin hardware and software is often more configurable than people realize (or they do realize this but are unable to take advantage of it). Spread throughout the conference were 18 demos by leading Bitcoin developers and experts illustrating how to make the most out of available Bitcoin tools.

For your convenience, here is an overview of all of the demos:


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Blockstream Green with a Hardware Wallet
In this demo, Blockstream engineer Domenico Gabriele showed how to help secure Blockstream Green with a hardware wallet.

Trezor Multisig With Electrum
In this demo, SatoshiLabs CTO Pavol Rusnak showed how to set this up with an Electrum wallet.

Core From Scratch
In this demo, Blockstream engineer Alekos Filini showed how to set up the most-used full node on the network today, Bitcoin Core, from scratch.

ABCore on Android
In this demo, Bitcoin developer Udi Wertheimer showed how to install ABCore on Android.

Cyphernode
In this demo, Bull Bitcoin CEO Francis Pouliot showed how to set up Cyphernode.

C-Lightning With Core
In this demo, Blockstream engineer Christian Decker showed how to install c-lightning on a Raspberry Pi.

Nodl Box
In this demo, Nodl Box developer Ketominer showcased the Hodl Box and several applications, including multiple Lightning wallets and the BTCPay Server.

Nix-Bitcoin
In this demo, Blockstream researcher Jonas Nick showcases Nix-Bitcoin with a specific emphasis on using it for Lightning.

Thor Turbo
In this demo, Bitrefill COO John Carvalho demonstrated how to use Thor Turbo.

Spark and Charge
In this demo, Bitcoin developer Nadav Ivgi showcased how to install and use Spark and Charge.

Slush Pool and “De-Eviling” the S9
In this demo, Braiins co-CEO Jan Čapek showed how to set up the Bitmain S9 with Braiins OS firmware. The demo also showed how to connect a mining machine to Slush Pool.

Wasabi
In this demo, Wasabi developer Adam Ficsor showed how to use Wasabi Wallet.

JoinMarket
In this demo, JoinMarket developer Adam Gibson showed how to install JoinMarket and how to leverage it as a regular user. (The demo did not show how to use it as a liquidity provider, however, which is slightly more complex.

Electrum Personal Server
In this demo, Electrum developer Chris Belcher shows how to set up and use an Electrum Personal Server.

goTenna Mesh Networks
In this demo, goTenna engineer Richard Myers showed how to send a bitcoin transaction over the goTenna network.

LoRaWAN Network
In this demo, Blockstream engineer Valerio Vaccaro showcased sending a bitcoin transaction over the LoRaWAN network.

SMS Push Transaction
In this demo, SatoshiLabs CTO Pavol Rusnak showcased sending a bitcoin transaction over SMS using the Electrum wallet.

Blockstream Satellite Network
In this demo, Blockstream CEO Adam Back and head of the Blockstream satellite project Chris Cook showcased receiving Bitcoin blocks over the Blockstream satellite network.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/understanding-bitcoin-demos-how-become-bitcoin-power-user/

links to live streams of the demos are included in the above bitcoin magazine article
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April 12, 2019, 07:19:19 AM

Did CSW pull some new stunt recently though or what's the deal here?

He inferred he would pay $5k for the dox of one of his most vocal critics, Hodlnaut, so that way he could sue him for saying he's not Satoshi.

For a man who's supposedly very smart, he sure is retarded.
Wonder what the fuck is going on in that guy's head and how he became such a clown.

Probably the billions of dollars worth of Bitcoins he sold cheap years ago to start retarded business ventures that all failed between 2011 and 2013 has driven him mad. He could have been a Billionaire just hodling but he never truly believed in sound money, just his own ego.

Now he lies cheats and steals in an attempt to regain what he squandered.
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