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Blah blah blah larger block blah blah


You have bcash and bsv with larger blocks, go there you have options. What part of we don't want larger blocks is so hard to comprehend

Yeah, I get it. But some here seem utterly oblivious to the consequences thereof.

No need to save us bro.  Go save someone else.
It isn't saving us when he knows who he partners with, the scoundrels looking to manipulate and lie to force their profit.

I don't partner with anyone. Well, except my spouse.

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Roger does it through pretending Bcash is Bitcoin, Jihan floated the price with the force use of it for hardware, Craig lies about being Satoshi and having those follow his "vision". It's all bullshit of these scumbags trying to force a profit and have some sort of power and fame.

You know what amuses me no end? People in the Bitcoin Cash space talk about the technical and economic attributes of Bitcoin Cash (and that of Bitcoin Core), while people in the Bitcoin Core space almost invariably speak about Bitcoin Cash in terms of Craig, Roger, and Jihan.
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April 08, 2019, 05:10:19 PM

Bitcoin is whatever the largest amount of network power says it is. Your side lost, yogi.
I'd say it's more real marketcap, that shows who the majority believe is worth more and the "real" Bitcoin"
Those are not different items.
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April 08, 2019, 05:11:49 PM


Blah blah blah larger block blah blah


You have bcash and bsv with larger blocks, go there you have options. What part of we don't want larger blocks is so hard to comprehend

Yeah, I get it. But some here seem utterly oblivious to the consequences thereof.

No need to save us bro.  Go save someone else.
It isn't saving us when he knows who he partners with, the scoundrels looking to manipulate and lie to force their profit.

I don't partner with anyone. Well, except my spouse.

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Roger does it through pretending Bcash is Bitcoin, Jihan floated the price with the force use of it for hardware, Craig lies about being Satoshi and having those follow his "vision". It's all bullshit of these scumbags trying to force a profit and have some sort of power and fame.

You know what amuses me no end? People in the Bitcoin Cash space talk about the technical and economic attributes of Bitcoin Cash (and that of Bitcoin Core), while people in the Bitcoin Core space almost invariably speak about Bitcoin Cash in terms of Craig, Roger, and Jihan.
No people in the Bcash space parrot the same points over and over and claim the devs of core are some evil group sabotaging Satoshi's vision.
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April 08, 2019, 05:14:30 PM
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i like where this is going.

guess the cargo hatch on my private mars surface to orbit shuttle had a malfunction. drag.

 

To be continued.

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Could the first of us here to go to the moon or mars please bring back some rock samples for me?
Or even better, alien artifacts if you should find any.

Yes.

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Since I'm the only one here, Ill just sign out and take a nap, see you in the evening.

ok

naps are good

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Where I live - $0.

I thought your not allowed to carry cash where your at..that its one step above unlawful.

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Good morning Bitcoinland.

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Good morning fellow hodlers

Despite several attempts by Bear forces to infiltrate our lines, troops have rallied strongly and have met each encroachment with steadfast support. Sympathy to our plight is spreading across the global community like wildfire with crys of "This aggression will not stand, man!" ringing out across the land.

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April 08, 2019, 05:15:39 PM


Blah blah blah larger block blah blah


You have bcash and bsv with larger blocks, go there you have options. What part of we don't want larger blocks is so hard to comprehend

Yeah, I get it. But some here seem utterly oblivious to the consequences thereof.

And you feel that you grasp full consequences of bcash and bsv and their unlimited blocks ...?

For the most part, yes. I certainly feel I have a greater than average grasp of such consequences -- upon both Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Core -- than does the average Bitcoiner -- in any of the Bitcoin camps. For evidence of such, I need only look at the near-universally asinine replies issued as 'rebuttals' to the points I make.
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April 08, 2019, 05:18:06 PM

Everybody discussing walls and prices ... bear shows up and shit dumps a bunch of bcash shitposts 

Moi?

In what way is discussing the limitations inherent in the condition of persistently full blocks relevant to Bitcoin Cash? It ain't. Neither BCH nor SV have any concern about the negative effects of persistently full blocks.

Nay, it is BTC that need to contend with such a condition. These are BTC posts.

https://i.ibb.co/x3cmvVd/E256-C9-F1-4979-401-A-8-A0-A-791-B25-F3-FA46.jpg

^^^'Substantive rebuttal' case in point.
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April 08, 2019, 05:33:01 PM

Bitcoin is whatever the largest amount of network power says it is. Your side lost, yogi.
I'd say it's more real marketcap, that shows who the majority believe is worth more and the "real" Bitcoin"

But what constitutes bitcoin, the project was released with one document, that has been completely disregarded and you call that Bitcoin based on a trading markets completely irrelevant to the project itself?
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Electrum Faces Another Fake Wallet Attack, Users Reported to Lose Millions of Dollars

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Bitcoin (BTC) wallet service Electrum is facing an ongoing Denial-of-Service (DoS) attack on its servers, the company reported on Twitter on April 7.
According to tech news website The Next Web, the new attack has caused users to lose estimatedly millions of dollars to date, with a single person alone reportedly losing about $140,000.

The ongoing DoS attack was allegedly launched by a malicious botnet of more than 140,000 machines, and aims to steal users’ Bitcoin by referring them to fake versions of Electrum software. Citing an unnamed security researcher, the article says that the recent DoS attack is deployed on a new level and was launched about a week ago.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/electrum-faces-another-fake-wallet-attack-users-reported-to-lose-millions-of-dollars
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April 08, 2019, 05:35:46 PM
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WTF are you babbling about? I advocate larger blocks, as I do believe in it as a solution to deal with transaction congestion. Quite a splendid one, in fact.


You actually remind me of r0ach, when you can not defend your position or answer anything, you just go on a tangent and throw out statements which make no sense..

You still haven't mentioned what size blocks you think Bitcoin needs... reminds me of the little do'er carpet commercial, "tell them the price son!, the price!"

"Tell me the blocksize son! the blocksize!"

The _protocol_ needs no maximum on the block size. The miners, being the ones who are affected by the block size, can set it without your soviet. At whatever point makes sense from a market demand and supply perspective.

Let me get this correct, you did advocate for larger blocks, but now you don't. You changed your mind.

You are incorrect. My advocacy has always been for no protocol-determined block limit. For such is exactly equivalent to a centrally-planned production quota. And production quotas -- to the extent that they are enforceable -- are invariably economically inefficient, ensuring crappy outcomes for most participants.

In case you had not noticed, miners have always been happy to mine blocks large enough such that average wait tx latencies were darned near universally next-block or so. That is, until blocks became persistently full, making such performance impossible.

At 1MB in size, blocks are so trivially small that miners' only consideration was in maximizing tx fees in the blocks they are building. Leading to blocks not being persistently full until the number of txs desired by the community became in excess of the block size limit. Obviously, such an issue can be solved by increasing the block size limit.

Of course, at some size (specific size thereof unknowable to the central planners), block size will be problematic. But the market will solve this issue. At the point where block propagation increases due to size leads to a higher incidence of orphaning, that is where the equilibrium point for block size will be set. Again, assuming no centrally-planned max, and that sufficient txs are available to build such large blocks.

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What you really want is a "dynamic block size", that Miner's will set themselves, be it Small (80kB) or Large (8GB), doesn't matter.

Absolutely. Now you seem to have caught up.
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April 08, 2019, 05:43:39 PM

 People keep asking me why #Bitcoin is up. Over a year of OTC accumulation & big $100m buy order on exchanges. The short term price is driven by fear and greed. The long term story is everybody will need $BTC eventually and there wont be many to go around.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/xkBpUL1VDKU

https://twitter.com/simondixontwitt/status/1115142571372752896?s=21

Good a have a small bit of it .... keep accumulating and buying Smiley
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April 08, 2019, 05:44:14 PM


WTF are you babbling about? I advocate larger blocks, as I do believe in it as a solution to deal with transaction congestion. Quite a splendid one, in fact.


You actually remind me of r0ach, when you can not defend your position or answer anything, you just go on a tangent and throw out statements which make no sense..

You still haven't mentioned what size blocks you think Bitcoin needs... reminds me of the little do'er carpet commercial, "tell them the price son!, the price!"

"Tell me the blocksize son! the blocksize!"

The _protocol_ needs no maximum on the block size. The miners, being the ones who are affected by the block size, can set it without your soviet. At whatever point makes sense from a market demand and supply perspective.

Let me get this correct, you did advocate for larger blocks, but now you don't. You changed your mind.

You are incorrect. My advocacy has always been for no protocol-determined block limit. For such is exactly equivalent to a centrally-planned production quota. And production quotas -- to the extent that they are enforceable -- are invariably economically inefficient, ensuring crappy outcomes for most participants.

In case you had not noticed, miners have always been happy to mine blocks large enough such that average wait tx latencies were darned near universally next-block or so. That is, until blocks became persistently full, making such performance impossible.

At 1MB in size, blocks are so trivially small that miners' only consideration was in maximizing tx fees in the blocks they are building. Leading to blocks not being persistently full until the number of txs desired by the community became in excess of the block size limit. Obviously, such an issue can be solved by increasing the block size limit.

Of course, at some size (specific size thereof unknowable to the central planners), block size will be problematic. But the market will solve this issue. At the point where block propagation increases due to size leads to a higher incidence of orphaning, that is where the equilibrium point for block size will be set. Again, assuming no centrally-planned max, and that sufficient txs are available to build such large blocks.

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What you really want is a "dynamic block size", that Miner's will set themselves, be it Small (80kB) or Large (8GB), doesn't matter.

Absolutely. Now you seem to have caught up.
and what would you do when groups spam the blocks to make them large and reduce the number of nodes?
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April 08, 2019, 05:44:27 PM

Would there be a practical problem with making every block however big (or small) is needed to fill all current transfers?
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I dunno. Seem's Elwar's endeavor's USP is freedom from outside governmental interference. The ocean-faring aspect seems to me to be only a means to this end. I don't much expect anything coming from an NGO think-tank to operate in an independent manner.

Not to mention the article's stated 'within 1 mi of shore' aspect, which if I am not mistaken is safely within agreed national boundaries.
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April 08, 2019, 05:56:15 PM
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The hell are you taking $30k down to Mexico for? I got robbed by a fucking cop last time I was there.

I wouldn't get caught with a nice stash of cash down there.

You've got to know where to go and how to travel. Don't show your wealth. Keep to well policed areas unless you are accompanied by trusted, well-connected locals, but don't give police any reason to interact with you. Dress down.

Keep to tourist areas whenever possible and project an image of being a typical tourist... i.e. a job slave who is running up debt on a credit card to seek a short-lived break from wage slavery. I use only cash in Canada but I use a credit card when traveling. It makes me look more like a tourist.

Of course away from tourist areas I use only cash. Everybody does. Nobody in my area has a bank account or credit card. There aren't even any banks in the area. That's one reason I love it there... no banks, no phones, no criminals, very few cops. Just sunshine, fresh air, good food, cheap booze and a certain little hot-blooded chilanga.

The reason I'm taking $30kUSD down is to finish paying for my zirconia teeth, pay off a personal loan, and make improvements to my house down there. I'm in the midst of major infrastructure upgrades... new 220v/120a wiring, water heater, upgraded security, etc.

I can only take $10kUSD down on the plane with me but I'll have a traveling companion to carry another $10k. The rest I'll put on my credit card and begrudgingly pay the cash advance and exchange fees. I don't have a bank account in either country. I'll spend the $20k cash almost immediately on the dentist and debt repayment and then live off my card.

I hate banks.
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April 08, 2019, 06:04:20 PM

... jbreher ... come back to team bitcoin.   

'Come back'? I've been here the whole time.


It may share a name but that thing, that is not Bitcoin.

BTC is not Bitcoin? Interesting assertion!

We have already established that I hold BTC as well as my preferred SV and BCH.
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Bitcoin is whatever the largest amount of network power says it is.

At least this position is supportable by reasoning - from one of several possible logical sets of axioms.

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'Lost' implies finality. Yet this game is open-ended.
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April 08, 2019, 06:11:38 PM

Roger does it through pretending Bcash is Bitcoin, Jihan floated the price with the force use of it for hardware, Craig lies about being Satoshi and having those follow his "vision". It's all bullshit of these scumbags trying to force a profit and have some sort of power and fame.

You know what amuses me no end? People in the Bitcoin Cash space talk about the technical and economic attributes of Bitcoin Cash (and that of Bitcoin Core), while people in the Bitcoin Core space almost invariably speak about Bitcoin Cash in terms of Craig, Roger, and Jihan.
No people in the Bcash space parrot the same points over and over and claim the devs of core are some evil group sabotaging Satoshi's vision.

Sometimes the old dictum is apropos (sometimes): 'Never attribute that to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity'.

Of course, if one _was_ evil, and wanted to bring down a new form of people's currency, one way to do so would be to limit its usability to an ever-shrinking number of use cases.
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April 08, 2019, 06:12:45 PM

... jbreher ... come back to team bitcoin.   

'Come back'? I've been here the whole time.


It may share a name but that thing, that is not Bitcoin.

BTC is not Bitcoin? Interesting assertion!

We have already established that I hold BTC as well as my preferred SV and BCH.

Hey jbreher, I guess you’ll never have to worry about BCH or SV blocks being full seeing as though hardly anybody uses them.

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I wonder how long it's gonna take for the SEC to take a closer look at those IEOs :

https://twitter.com/crypt0moon/status/1115259397356257282

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Apparently the IEO craze reach the point where VCs/presalers are initiating sales to dump on retail investors, without even the approval of the project (Algorand in this case).

https://twitter.com/lawmaster/status/1115313069318725634

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This is unbelievable. @BgogoExchange is running an IEO without the project's permission. But that's not the best part - Algorand (the project in question) won't launch for the next couple of months and there is no ERC20 token. So Bgogo is literally preselling an IOU. Dump 2.0
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