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February 24, 2014, 06:45:24 PM
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I'll hold that bag at $550, Boys. I threw back all those falling knives so all I have in my hands now is a big pile of fiat I want to get rid of.

good!
post your trading history or screenshots, so we can mock you later.

BJ Allen's purse for holding his "big pile" of fiat...


LOL not down to $550 on CoinBase yet! C'mon, I want my coins back.
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February 24, 2014, 06:47:19 PM
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it was great arbitrage opportunity on Stamp vs Btc-e, unfortunately I was without BTC on btc-e. 25+ USD at one point.

How you arbitrage on these exchanges without cash withdrawals?

You wait for next swing, it happens few times per month easily. One could make a nice salary just doing that with 100 BTC waiting Stamp and BTC-e to change the lead in price.

Lol your posts always read like the ads "how to make $xxx per month in the Forex markets using this one weird trick..." If only!
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February 24, 2014, 06:50:01 PM
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it was great arbitrage opportunity on Stamp vs Btc-e, unfortunately I was without BTC on btc-e. 25+ USD at one point.

How you arbitrage on these exchanges without cash withdrawals?

You wait for next swing, it happens few times per month easily. One could make a nice salary just doing that with 100 BTC waiting Stamp and BTC-e to change the lead in price.

Lol your posts always read like the ads "how to make $xxx per month in the Forex markets using this one weird trick..." If only!

Hardly a weird trick, it happens all the time. Bitstamp was 10-15$ above BTC-e for 2 weeks or so until that whale had put a wall yesterday, at one point today it was 25$ below. That's 40$ of profit per 1 BTC and all in downtrend where those 40$ can buy more coins than 2 weeks ago.

And things like this happen 1-2 times per month usually.

I wouldn't do it in bull market but in bear market I've done it few times. I've certainly do it today if I had btc on btc-e.
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February 24, 2014, 06:51:03 PM
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For fuck sake like. Who the fuck is going to admit their insolvency at 2.19am local time. You're so desperate to fill your boots with cheap coins it's laughable.

either way gox going down. so sell. zombie trading mode.
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February 24, 2014, 06:51:50 PM
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it was great arbitrage opportunity on Stamp vs Btc-e, unfortunately I was without BTC on btc-e. 25+ USD at one point.

How you arbitrage on these exchanges without cash withdrawals?

You wait for next swing, it happens few times per month easily. One could make a nice salary just doing that with 100 BTC waiting Stamp and BTC-e to change the lead in price.

Lol your posts always read like the ads "how to make $xxx per month in the Forex markets using this one weird trick..." If only!

Hardly a weird trick, it happens all the time. Bitstamp was 10-15$ above BTC-e for 2 weeks or so until that whale had put a wall yesterday, at one point today it was 25$ below. That's 40$ of profit per 1 BTC and all in downtrend where those 40$ can make more coins than 2 weeks ago.

And things like this happen 1-2 times per month usually.

Just that you make it sound easy. It certainly is not. I do appreciate your advice though, not everyone would be willing to share it.
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February 24, 2014, 07:02:42 PM
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February 24, 2014, 07:07:58 PM
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My guess is that today someone doing quick arbitrages on stamp, thats why so many market order dumps out of the blue.

A huge chunk of bitstamps fiat was drained from the 5.5mUSD sell hours so. Its probably people sensing the lack of buying pressure and dumping.

Asks are up and bid sum down on stamp. Looks bleak.
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February 24, 2014, 07:08:17 PM
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Something is off about the Bitfinex order book. There's only like 4k btc on the ask side. To me it seems like someone that is a market maker with a ton of coins took all of their asks out.
Edit: 1 minute ago there was 4600 btc total on the ask side, now there is 3400

Bitfinex Order books are liar order books.

If you have a leveraged position for example, you can create as many Stop Loss or Limit orders as you like, and they will all show up in the order book. This gives the wrong impression of great market depth and strength or weakness in a particular trend. BTC-E is just as bad for its magic vanishing walls.

Bitfinex is not to be paid much attention to. Biggest, most solid, most reliable exchange, Bitstamp, is where the market is at. Had the 10K whale chose either Bitfinex or BTC-e to offload his bTC, then the price there would have hit sub $100 for sure. Bitstamp absorbed it at $514.
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February 24, 2014, 07:10:31 PM
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This was posted to the Bitcoinwisdom users thread:

On the one hand, you can feel very proud that TPTB know to attack [ bitcoinwisdom ] when they attempt to manipulate the price downward. [ ... ] Bitcoin price manipulation has a long history and it's always some form of DDOS. Usually this forum (also unacceptably weak, which is why there's invite-only cryptocrypt), plus Gox in the old days, and sometimes now the r/bitcoin page, and the idiots panic. [ ... ]

TPTB = "The Powers That Be", I suppose.  Why wouldn't those DDOSers be just sleazy traders looking for profits?  Or perhaps disgruntled bitcoin investors? Or altcoin investors/creators?

 
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February 24, 2014, 07:10:41 PM
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Something is off about the Bitfinex order book. There's only like 4k btc on the ask side. To me it seems like someone that is a market maker with a ton of coins took all of their asks out.
Edit: 1 minute ago there was 4600 btc total on the ask side, now there is 3400

Bitfinex Order books are liar order books.

If you have a leveraged position for example, you can create as many Stop Loss or Limit orders as you like, and they will all show up in the order book. This gives the wrong impression of great market depth and strength or weakness in a particular trend. BTC-E is just as bad for its magic vanishing walls.

Bitfinex is not to be paid much attention to. Biggest, most solid, most reliable exchange, Bitstamp, is where the market is at. Had the 10K whale chose either Bitfinex or BTC-e to offload his bTC, then the price there would have hit sub $100 for sure. Bitstamp absorbed it at $514.
I think they fixed the thing where you could make huge walls without actually having enough money on Bitfinex.
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February 24, 2014, 07:16:58 PM
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my guess:

mtgox and karpeles are under criminal investigation by u.s. authorities and by japanese authorities (either the same cases or additional cases)

they told him he is not allowed to give any statement about solvency (that´s why he started is saying it is confidential; and i cannot imagine under which other circumstances it would be confidential for a company to say it is solvent).

the foundation knows about the investigations and that is why the same step down took place as with shrems investigations.

gox may not be insolvent, but the investigation may cause freezing of all funds on gox for months/years/ever.

some early adopter (foundation?) knows all this and is very angry with gox and sells parts of his trapped goxbtc for any price, bringing the goxbtc rate down.

some insiders knows all this and they will dump & dump (& dump) on stamp.




disclaimer: this is not meant to be fud. i just want to figure out what is going on. just speculating... Wink
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February 24, 2014, 07:17:58 PM
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I think they fixed the thing where you could make huge walls without actually having enough money on Bitfinex.

I had a short position of 20 BTC, from $625 down to $555, where I have just exited it. Although I only had only short sold 20 BTC, at one point I had like 100 BTC worth of limit orders on Bitfinex, all of which show up on order book. I wasn't trying to manipulate or anything, I was just kind of getting my shit together and trying things on for size.

If many of the Bitifinex traders are doing similar things to this, then no wonder the bid walls are so distorted and misleading....let alone the effect that bots doing it on purpose in order to mislead  might have.
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February 24, 2014, 07:18:35 PM
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So apparently the market blew right through my price point while I was at lunch. Shouldn't be a problem if all you doomers are right and this down trend holds for just a little longer. I'll get a second shot.  Ironically I had to go to appointment to meet a local buyer. Hope anyone following my trades got some coin.
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February 24, 2014, 07:18:45 PM
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"Ball bouncing down the stairs patterns" are forming on all exchanges. Nobody likes this Gox limbo it seems? There are plenty of corporate good Bitcoin news all over reddit/r/bitcoin, but it's doesn't do much to the graphs.

Small fry is selling low volume into this avalanche, so I have a hard time judging if this has substance as it can easily be reversed? On the other hand, No big dumps yet!

Anyone hoping for a press release from the unmentionable? Looks like we need our daily bogus from Gox to be certain things are as they were yesterday?
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February 24, 2014, 07:19:45 PM
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my guess:
mtgox and karpeles are under criminal investigation ...

whatever the case let's not forget Gox is the victim here. They are the victim of their own success!
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February 24, 2014, 07:20:12 PM
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my guess:

mtgox and karpeles are under criminal investigation by u.s. authorities and by japanese authorities (either the same cases or additional cases)

they told him he is not allowed to give any statement about solvency (that´s why he started is saying it is confidential; and i cannot imagine under which other circumstances it would be confidential for a company to say it is solvent).

the foundation knows about the investigations and that is why the same step down took place as with shrems investigations.

gox may not be insolvent, but the investigation may cause freezing of all funds on gox for months/years/ever.

some early adopter (foundation?) knows all this and is very angry with gox and sells parts of his trapped goxbtc for any price, bringing the goxbtc rate down.

some insiders knows all this and they will dump & dump (& dump) on stamp.




disclaimer: this is not meant to be fud. i just want to figure out what is going on. just speculating... Wink


Partially Ok, but i dont buy the insider stuff. If they really knew whats is up, they would've dumped at the high prices on builder.

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February 24, 2014, 07:20:58 PM
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my guess:
mtgox and karpeles are under criminal investigation ...

whatever the case let's not forget Gox is the victim here. They are the victim of their own success!

Those poor souls.
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February 24, 2014, 07:21:15 PM
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I think they fixed the thing where you could make huge walls without actually having enough money on Bitfinex.

I had a short position of 20 BTC, from $625 down to $555, where I have just exited it. Although I only had only short sold 20 BTC, at one point I had like 100 BTC worth of limit orders on Bitfinex, all of which show up on order book. I wasn't trying to manipulate or anything, I was just kind of getting my shit together and trying things on for size.

If many of the Bitifinex traders are doing similar things to this, then no wonder the bid walls are so distorted and misleading....let alone the effect that bots doing it on purpose in order to mislead  might have.

I closed mine too, ask side is super thin due to the fact that they are not linked to Bitstamps orderbook right now. Too much risk, if it gets up only 20-25$ the whole thing could end in a huge upwards spike. No thanks.
Nice profit anyway Wink
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February 24, 2014, 07:23:10 PM
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my guess:

mtgox and karpeles are under criminal investigation by u.s. authorities and by japanese authorities (either the same cases or additional cases)

they told him he is not allowed to give any statement about solvency (that´s why he started is saying it is confidential; and i cannot imagine under which other circumstances it would be confidential for a company to say it is solvent).

the foundation knows about the investigations and that is why the same step down took place as with shrems investigations.

gox may not be insolvent, but the investigation may cause freezing of all funds on gox for months/years/ever.

some early adopter (foundation?) knows all this and is very angry with gox and sells parts of his trapped goxbtc for any price, bringing the goxbtc rate down.

some insiders knows all this and they will dump & dump (& dump) on stamp.




disclaimer: this is not meant to be fud. i just want to figure out what is going on. just speculating... Wink


My speculation is you are right except for the insolvency part.   My guess is anyone who is trying to be anonymous on MtGox and hide money (coins) from prying eyes will have a really hard time getting coins back.   Anyone who is verified or premier will be ok since they can track their funds to a name (they might ask for proof on how this wealth was accumulated)...this is pure speculation on my part!!! Guessing.  But I think they have been under investigation and likely before any transfer can occur they want to know who people are and where the money came from.   When I moved large amounts of US cash to Bitstamp, they asked me where the money came from and asked for proof.  If you have nothing to hide and plan to report transactions and your identity, my guess is you will be ok.   If you are looking to hide money, those are probably the folks on bitcoinbuilder dumping now.  I'm just wildly guessing.  truth is though they are not anonymous on bitcoinbuilder, and anyone who thinks they wont eventaully catch up to you is likely to be dead wrong.   Bitcoinbuilder has to report large transactions.

I do have speculative coins on Mtgox now.  I'm also upgrading to premier to make sure I can move coins if this is the case.

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February 24, 2014, 07:23:24 PM
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To an extent I agree I do not think this is a Higlander scenario

There can be more than one


Money is the ultimate network effect. How is any other crytpcoin supposed to have less volatility than the one with the largest market cap? If volatility slows adoption, and I think we all agree that it does, then it's a huge hurdle to overcome.


Money is the ultimate network effect.

I hear you and I am a true beliver in the power of the network effect if a company/coin is lucky enough to ride that wave (after wave, after wave, eeek Tsunami)

But

A coin that was more evenly distributed with no huge holders, that traded on an exchange with high liquidity or a decentralised peer to peer exchange between wallet holders, with a baked in exchange into the client.... may have less volatility.

Also I think that volatility is what caught a lot of peoples attention to Bitcoin... so it is a double edged sword.

Also something great may come along, I am already diversified, I like Bitcoin but I also like some other cryptos that are popping up, dare I mention them here
but like Nxt and Mastercoin, Protoshares that I think may have some potential , especially with the DAC's and colour coins etc...  there is the potential to create some stable currencies using those protocols, as well as peer to peer exchange, and also like it or not as a concept, as a business the forging aspect of Nxt, if they can continue to grow and develop, is quite interesting, especially if you have a large number of Nxt, so there is reason to invest in the network and "forge" from there if the platform develops into something of use, which people can build onto , which is the idea, and if the community can reach out and encourage adoption because it provides solutions and profitable opportunites, then yes I can see another crypto doing quite well... does that mean it will dwarf Bitcoin, no... infact I am more inclined to think that the next "big and useful" coin we see will not get its next leg up, until Bitcoin has its next leg up... ie if Bitcoin jumps to $5000 and drags the marketcap up to 60 billionish then I can see coins like Litecoin, Nxt ** etc catching a ride on the coattails  and increasing their marketcaps potentially by several billion+ ......which then would have a knock on effect, money is the ultimate network effect... and those development bounties that are out there would all suddenly have a lot more bang for their respective crypto buck, which means they can spend more on developing more , more marketing etc...
 
Also as Bitcoin becomes more mainstream it is carving the path, and in doing so , doing a lot of the grunt work.. if people do get comfortable with Bitcoin, they are more likely to give another crypto a go that goes for traders/merchants and individuals even the media.
 
I am playing devils advocate here ! and I do think that Bitcoin remains the mothership for now, and most likely for sometime, the network headstart is huge, and so is the headstart for adoption rates, ecosystem, investment rates, public awareness, vested interests, regulations, users, marketcap, etc  but never say never is my moto.

 The other thing is that some Goliath of a corporation could try to give it a go.. one with a huge market share already in a symbotic industry that could evolve a concept and role it out to the masses with their already in place marketing machine and vast funds to throw at it and the masses would lap it up, and not care that it was not decentralised and not care that it was funded by "the usual suspects" that is also possible..

  


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