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May 05, 2020, 10:21:08 AM |
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Simple (and possibly really "noob") question about exchanges:
When there is a big green (or red) dildo on the BTC/USD chart of an exchange (say, due to one big whale's move on that specific exchange), how is it possible for nearly all other exchanges, and even different fiat currency charts (BTC/EUR, etc.), to also reflect that move almost instantly? Shouldn't that specific move affect only the exchange on which it was made? At least in the short term?
It seems to me that all exchanges are somehow linked together, so that a move on one of them near-instantly affects all others. I wonder if there is an established inter-exchange system of price equalization (possibly a proactive measure to prevent arbitrage), or if the observed price equalization just happens naturally due to the global market itself (i.e., the "law of averages" taking place).
Have always wondered about this... Any insights appreciated.
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HairyMaclairy
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May 05, 2020, 10:21:54 AM |
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3 trillion here, 3 trillion there
pretty soon...something something
profit?
Kind of interesting actually. At a certain point there simply are no consequences for the worst behavior. Almost as if you had a rich daddy giving you everything. There used to be a saying round these parts. You didn't make a loss if you didn't sell. (bit like 1btc=1btc) The same kind of applies for all this ridiculous debt. If you are never going to repay it is it really a debt? 1. The Fed buys the debt. 2. The Federal government makes debt payments to the Fed. 3. The Fed pays the government a special dividend of income from the debt payments. 4. Federal government income goes up, allowing debt to be repaid faster. 5. Everyone wins
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Last of the V8s
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May 05, 2020, 10:23:25 AM |
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@ AlcoHoDL
arbitrage bots
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HairyMaclairy
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May 05, 2020, 10:24:43 AM |
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Simple (and possibly really "noob") question about exchanges:
When there is a big green (or red) dildo on the BTC/USD chart of an exchange (say, due to one big whale's move on that specific exchange), how is it possible for nearly all other exchanges, and even different fiat currency charts (BTC/EUR, etc.), to also reflect that move almost instantly? Shouldn't that specific move affect only the exchange in which it was made? At least in the short term?
It seems to me that all exchanges are somehow linked together, so that a move in one of them near-instantly affects all others. I wonder if there is an established inter-exchange system of price equalization (possibly a proactive measure to prevent arbitrage), or if the observed price equalization just happens naturally due to the global market itself (i.e., the "law of averages" taking place).
Have always wondered about this... Any insights appreciated.
Yes. It’s arbitrage. Hairy has a bot on Bitstamp called Stampy, and a bot on Bitfinex called Willy. When Bitstamp is higher than BFX Stampy sells and Willy buys. When BFX is higher than Bitstamp, Stampy buys and Willy sells.
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HairyMaclairy
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May 05, 2020, 10:28:52 AM |
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It’s harder than it sounds
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Last of the V8s
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May 05, 2020, 10:31:54 AM |
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Not sure it's meant to make any noises. Maybe have that looked at?
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May 05, 2020, 10:32:18 AM |
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Simple (and possibly really "noob") question about exchanges:
When there is a big green (or red) dildo on the BTC/USD chart of an exchange (say, due to one big whale's move on that specific exchange), how is it possible for nearly all other exchanges, and even different fiat currency charts (BTC/EUR, etc.), to also reflect that move almost instantly? Shouldn't that specific move affect only the exchange in which it was made? At least in the short term?
It seems to me that all exchanges are somehow linked together, so that a move in one of them near-instantly affects all others. I wonder if there is an established inter-exchange system of price equalization (possibly a proactive measure to prevent arbitrage), or if the observed price equalization just happens naturally due to the global market itself (i.e., the "law of averages" taking place).
Have always wondered about this... Any insights appreciated.
Yes. It’s arbitrage. Hairy has a bot on Bitstamp called Stampy, and a bot on Bitfinex called Willy. When Bitstamp is higher than BFX Stampy sells and Willy buys. When BFX is higher than Bitstamp, Stampy buys and Willy sells. The point is keeping both BOTs well feeded. Moving BTC from an exchange to another is trivial, Liquid (BItcoin private federated sidechain) helped a lot in that). Moving FIAT from an exchange to another is less so. (in the above first situation Willy cannot buy until fiat liquidity is transfered from Stampy, he just has to wait for the second sictuation to happen to rebalance (it might never happen, thou). It’s harder than it sounds
Definetly
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Last of the V8s
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May 05, 2020, 10:32:35 AM |
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Or listened to.
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vapourminer
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
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May 05, 2020, 10:36:40 AM |
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You guys with your stacked terabyte HDD’s. I’ll stick to the 1.44 MB not so floppy disks, conveniently strung together with a little help of ARJ. Even has a read only switch for eternal storage. Who needs blockchains.
you techies with your advanced devices. pfffft still rockin my TRS-80 and C64 cassette drives. my Columbia IBM clone has a cassette interface too but i never used it. those full height 5.25 floppies were the bomb. EDIT the TRS-80 also had several 8 inch floppies hooked to it at one point.
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El duderino_
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May 05, 2020, 10:44:14 AM |
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Simple (and possibly really "noob") question about exchanges:
I’m sorry .... I was one short to hero your ass
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AlcoHoDL
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May 05, 2020, 10:44:55 AM |
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Thanks guys, I thought it was about arbitrage...
So, you're saying that the price equalization is actually caused by players using bots to take advantage of price differences between exchanges. Makes sense. I thought (just guessing here) that maybe the exchanges themselves had some sort of mechanism in place to prevent this. Also, the time it takes to transfer funds between exchanges would work against it.
Too complicated. Just HoDL and wait. Works for me.
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AlcoHoDL
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May 05, 2020, 10:49:52 AM |
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I’m sorry .... I was one short to hero your ass Thanks man! Wow, soon to have 5 coins in my badge! Hope we reach the same amount of digits very soon!
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You guys with your stacked terabyte HDD’s. I’ll stick to the 1.44 MB not so floppy disks, conveniently strung together with a little help of ARJ. Even has a read only switch for eternal storage. Who needs blockchains.
you techies with your advanced devices. pfffft still rockin my TRS-80 and C64 cassette drives. my Columbia IBM clone has a cassette interface too but i never used it. those full height 5.25 floppies were the bomb. EDIT the TRS-80 also had several 8 inch floppies hooked to it at one point. Oh those times... LOAD ZAXXON,8,1
<10mins waiting, enjoying sound of tape slowly moving>
LOAD ERROR
Afternoon spoiled.
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machasm
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May 05, 2020, 10:56:48 AM |
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This little dump is a bit premature. Still a week to go before the halving. Maybe whoever it is is hoping to scoop up some cheap coins if any noobs follow his lead. Don't be fooled gentlemen the long term future is bright. Keep HODLING.
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vapourminer
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
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May 05, 2020, 11:03:12 AM Last edit: May 05, 2020, 11:16:11 AM by vapourminer |
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still rockin my TRS-80 and C64 cassette drives.
Oh those times... LOAD ZAXXON,8,1
<10mins waiting, enjoying sound of tape slowly moving>
LOAD ERROR
Afternoon spoiled. oh man yup, C64 fun times. the TRS-80s displayed 2 asterisks when loading from tape, one blinked whenever a <CR> was read. i remember building a filter for the cassette recorder i used. you kept fiddling with it till the 2nd asterisk blinked more or less regularly. EDIT: wasnt the 8 for the disk drive and the 1 meant load at a specified addy provided by the program (not the standard addy it would default to if it was BASIC or something).. been a while.
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May 05, 2020, 11:19:34 AM |
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arbitrage bots
With lightning fast connections. Its all about the tiniest split of a second. Add to that front running because they can get in first too. (Some even have direct links to or equipment within an exchange) Just like in gaming they win with their ping.
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May 05, 2020, 11:22:07 AM |
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You guys with your stacked terabyte HDD’s. I’ll stick to the 1.44 MB not so floppy disks, conveniently strung together with a little help of ARJ. Even has a read only switch for eternal storage. Who needs blockchains.
you techies with your advanced devices. pfffft still rockin my TRS-80 and C64 cassette drives. my Columbia IBM clone has a cassette interface too but i never used it. those full height 5.25 floppies were the bomb. EDIT the TRS-80 also had several 8 inch floppies hooked to it at one point. Oh those times... LOAD ZAXXON,8,1
<10mins waiting, enjoying sound of tape slowly moving>
LOAD ERROR
Afternoon spoiled. While in my head it goes: Peek'n Poke, Peek'n Poke, Peek'n Poke... all the time Today i finally jumped it and threw my money at an Asus Zenbook UM431 with a Ryzen5 (Good bye, Intel - i hope i won't miss u). Mainly because of the slightly bigger dimensions than the newer UM433 models and the better bottom vent placement. At about $600 without windoze, it's OK for me, but that's still some fiat i didn't invest into corn, on the other hand.
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May 05, 2020, 11:43:23 AM |
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Today i finally jumped it and threw my money at an Asus Zenbook UM431 with a Ryzen5 (Good bye, Intel - i hope i won't miss u). Mainly because of the slightly bigger dimensions than the newer UM433 models and the better bottom vent placement. At about $600 without windoze, it's OK for me, but that's still some fiat i didn't invest into corn, on the other hand.
I hope you got 16 GB RAM. 8 GB just doesn't cut it anymore. Ryzen laptops are nice.
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May 05, 2020, 12:01:18 PM |
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<snip>
EDIT: wasnt the 8 for the disk drive and the 1 meant load at a specified addy provided by the program (not the standard addy it would default to if it was BASIC or something).. been a while.
You are totally right, I am sorry. 8 is first floppy, 9 second floppy etc, 1 is for the datasette. * Must have been more than a week since I played Zaxxon from datasette (the cool guys run it from floppy nowadays) * https://www.c64-wiki.de/wiki/LOAD
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