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[Hueristic]

- A resurgence in new infections has been detected in Florida, Texas and California. 170,000 new cases in the U.S within one week.

IIRC, Dallas county has had 300+ infections per day, for almost three to four days in a row now. It's up, but slowly stabilizing at a higher value. Was a couple-few days last week where I think they broke records for consecutive days.

Meta: It's troubling to me in a way. I've read reports that it is disproportionately affecting black and brown folk more severely than other races. Evidently there is some genetic component involved, leading to a harsher response to the virus. Sheeit.

Bob, the majority of people who die or even get seriously ill from it are elderly & or have other, pre-existing health conditions. 38, yes 38 people died of it in the UK in the last 24 hours. The whole thing, the lockdown was a massive over reaction imo.

I’d love to see how many people have died ‘of’ covid19 rather than how many die ‘with it’.


TL;DR

You’re going to be fine!

Reminds me of Y2K, every news agency was like the world is gonna explode and then we worked our ass off getting a plan in action, getting it funded from bean counters,  rolling it out and we nailed it and everything was fine and all the news agencies were like "Well that was overrated".

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@Hueristic

I haven’t took it seriously since day one, I’m a bit of a dick but hey. I was going out 4-5 times a day from the very start of lockdown.

I even bought these online so I could pass as a health worker just incase I got stopped by cops



Covid19 can suck my plums.

[OutOfMemory]

That's a different question, but i stopped trusting that anybody here who is claiming to never-go-mindrust would not go mindrust at some point. It's about credibility and the message it sends out to the world. "See: Even the most hardest bitcoin believers abandon ship at some point"-type of narrative. This has consequences. You change a single parameter in a complex system, you watch many other parameters change as well afterwards.
This is a hefty warping of WO reality. Don't try to play it down.

Something seems slightly wrong with your thinking on this topic, Oom - or maybe it is just your presentation.

Maybe both a little. Re-reading my presentation, it seems to me it was a little dramatic for sure.
Reconsideration is a good thing, most times.

My opinion is that the more that any of us prepares for a variety of scenarios (including extreme scenarios), the less likely that any of us is going to perform some act that seems to be outrageously inconsistent with our past discussions regarding our preparations, plans or BIG goals, which a certain amount of consistency seems to reflect our character, so in that regard, many of us continue to be a bit shocked and taken aback by mindrust because he spent so much time discussing his various strategies and even a certain amount of the extremes, including his mindset to a considerable degree.. that he was just seeming willing to just throw out the window all of a sudden...

Sure, he has the right to do that.. and sure it is going to piss a lot of people off because it was seemingly quite a bit removed from what he had been disclosing his plans, scenarios and even extremes of such.

My opinion is, that if you have a plan, developed and adjusted over the course of years, and just throw it overboard in times of doubt, what the heck was it all about?
It smells fishy, or at least seems unauthentic to me. I would ask for advice if i'm even thinking about dropping out, at least for some kind of feedback, if i was a noob and thus insecure. But mindrust didn't ever show insecurities since i read the WO, imho. There were no signs of weakness, afair. Even in earlier times of dipping. This all doesn't represent honesty. I don't even speculate about (secret or hidden) reasons that haven't become obvious, known or told (yet). WO hodler legendaries and hero members are seen as trustworthy, in general, according to my reading and chatting experience.

Another bothersome aspect of mindrust might have to do with his seemingly conversion into a kind of nocoiner perspective.. which is really irritating and really not justified, even given that he did seem to paint himself in a corner to some extent.

And that adds to my reasoning for suspicion. Just a lil fishy, you know?
Later he also wrote he was in doubt from the start. Some even were speculating if mindrust sold his account, may it have been pure irony or not, but his u-turn was a good reason for such speculations, i think.

I just realize my post reads like a private message a little, but even if i should be wrong, i have got no reasons to hide my thoughts. Everybody can try to prove me wrong or point out errors that i made, convince me... I'll try to be open #nohomo.
I am losing track a little through my writings, but hopefully make my points clear enough, most time

[Wekkel]

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The whole thing, the lockdown was a massive over reaction imo.
[...]

Our ability to communicate at lightning speed at every corner of the planet has far superseded our ability to think rationally in the context of large groups. It won't be the last time that we do stupid things because of that.

[OutOfMemory]

- A resurgence in new infections has been detected in Florida, Texas and California. 170,000 new cases in the U.S within one week.

IIRC, Dallas county has had 300+ infections per day, for almost three to four days in a row now. It's up, but slowly stabilizing at a higher value. Was a couple-few days last week where I think they broke records for consecutive days.

Meta: It's troubling to me in a way. I've read reports that it is disproportionately affecting black and brown folk more severely than other races. Evidently there is some genetic component involved, leading to a harsher response to the virus. Sheeit.

I've read so much shit about covid and sars2cov from the first days of the pandemic and it turned out that almost only the things that virologists and epidemiologists said were plausible and/or became true. The exception rate is very low, and if you protect yourself inside rooms you have to share with many other people, you should be very safe. The risk getting infected outdoors is virtually non existant when keeping a distance, because constant air movement in open spaces quickly lets the droplets and aerosols, which sars2cov attaches to, quickly dry off, killing the thing.
It's really like the flu, but more contagious because the virus is airborne for much longer times than influenza, thus inhaled more likely. Wash hands to not smear it onto moucosa and you're fine.

And, also important:
Preferably use your own toilet  

What's the MM? Market Makers?

[qwizzie]

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The whole thing, the lockdown was a massive over reaction imo.
[...]

The corona virus has the potential to have 1 contagious person infect 1 to 3 other persons. Scientist use R0 (the reproduction number) for this.
They estimate that the corona virus has a R0 between 1.5 and 3.5

Link : https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/rounds/how-scientists-quantify-intensity-of-an-outbreak-like-covid-19

Currently the USA has more then 100.000 deaths and 2,1 million infections, while having a lockdown in place (a lockdown that was imposed rather late, but still)
Now estimate the number of deaths and infections without any lockdown. Also estimate how long hospitals can cope with all these infectious people needing IC
for a long period of time.

[Ibian]

Meta: It's troubling to me in a way. I've read reports that it is disproportionately affecting black and brown folk more severely than other races. Evidently there is some genetic component involved, leading to a harsher response to the virus. Sheeit.

Most likely blacks have less vitamin D due to darker skin. Take your supplements.

[JayJuanGee]

No passphrase: 0.1 BTC
{normal_pass}: 10 BTC
{really_strong_pass}: 100 BTC
.....

I think I can compete with JJG on this one!  

OMG you have 110.1 BTC...

I wish!

hahahaha


I was trolling you.

I admit it.

No passphrase: 0.1 BTC
{normal_pass}: 10 BTC
{really_strong_pass}: 100 BTC
.....

I think I can compete with JJG on this one!  

OMG you have 110.1 BTC...

I wish!

For many of us in the forum even the 10% of that if one has it that it really a very big thing. Also the price has started to gradually rise and now reached 9200$. It is now form 9k levels and wait and watch when it will try t cross 10k levels from here.

That 10% of that is nearly the amount that mindrust proclaimed to have struggled to garner up for over more than 3 years of painstakingly stacking sats, right before he sold all of it at $4,500.  How would that feel?

[OutOfMemory]

Meta: It's troubling to me in a way. I've read reports that it is disproportionately affecting black and brown folk more severely than other races. Evidently there is some genetic component involved, leading to a harsher response to the virus. Sheeit.

Most likely blacks have less vitamin D due to darker skin. Take your supplements.

This makes little sense, somehow.
Afair i read about higher vitamin-D levels in dark colored people, because dark skin better absorbs sunlight.
If blacks are really more endangered, it's more likely a genetic cause to be within scope.

I need to take supplements because of sick intestines, to support brain functionality and overall physical performance. I know quite a lot about supps and which ones to combine under which circumstances, but i found the effects and promises of supps generally to be overrated, if not hyped in the concerns of vitamin-D3. Research is pointing to it as an immune biomarker, instead of a cause or remedy for sickness. Sure, there are correlations with longevity, but not causalisations, at least not proven. The human body and it's reactions are far too complex to make "wonder-supps" plausible.

[serveria.com]

Meanwhile: observing nice pomp 

[JayJuanGee]

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Well I think there are a few major things that's should be covered that would help everyone out and that would probably be medical care. That's probably the biggest struggle for most the Everyman and I definitely have been hit with large medical bills myself. I mean I'm still in my twenties and am still paying a 5 digit bill for my appendix that was removed, I had decent insurance at the time as well (I have no idea what I would have done if I didn't).

I don't necessarily know how it wold play out, but seem that basic medical care is a human right, but would not necessarily mean that it would be free or that certain proceedures might have some co-pay, perhaps.

Trying to mandate fairness is something that seems logically impossible,

You are creating a strawman if you believe that I had said anything close to that.    

you can implement somethings but there is no way to ever give everyone the same opportunities.

Of course, fair systems would likely reward people who have greater drive, persistence and smartness.

Some will have better parents regardless of income level that nuture studies and skills while others who ignore and silence.

There are likely ways that take away some of the extremes without having to cause everyone to become equal... You seem to still be going down this strawman angle.

I have an odd view on the thing since my dad was abandoned at 14 and lived on his own and raised himself to become very accomplished.

The possibility of leveling the playing field is just not possible, but to try and lower some common hurdles is.

Ok. maybe we agree about that general point.     or at least, there might be some needs to remove or reduce either outrageous hurdles that some people might have that others do not have, but might mean that there are no hurdles remaining.

[Tash]

Meta: It's troubling to me in a way. I've read reports that it is disproportionately affecting black and brown folk more severely than other races. Evidently there is some genetic component involved, leading to a harsher response to the virus. Sheeit.

Majority of sicknesses including Covid is nothing else as wrong nutrition.
Daily intake of about 70% alkaline and 30% acidic food and anyone is as strong as can be. Flu, Covid, Common Cold.... not a worry.

Like a 2 component glue if mix according to instruction its hold well, if mixed wrong and 90% hardener is used or something crazy it will break at first sign of stress.

Acidic food: Seafood, Meat, Cheese, Grains (Wheat, Rye, Rice..), pasteurized food, Milk, Pale Beer, Carbonated drinks (sparkling mineral water, Coke...)
Alkaline  food: Fruit, Vegetables, Herbs/Spices, natural fermented food, Honey, Some Nuts (Chest, Pine, Coco, Hazel, Macadamia), Wine, Draft Beer, Stout Beer, Coffee, Tea...

What else is Acidic, Face Mask as exhaled CO2 (acidic) is partly re-inhaled because mask prevent it from being proper exchanged for fresh oxygen.

Healthy blood pH is 7.35 - 7.45 slight alkali, 7 is neutral, 0 max acid, 14 max basic (alkali), log scale

[JayJuanGee]

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My opinion is, that if you have a plan, developed and adjusted over the course of years, and just throw it overboard in times of doubt, what the heck was it all about?

Well, yeah.

You and I seem to be largely on the same page there, and yeah, the plan involves preparing for a lot of extreme scenarios, which the March 12th situation should have been reasonably encompassed in one of the possible scenarios... even though it was a bit of an extreme one.. but it was also pretty damned short-lived, too.≥.. in the whole scheme of things with a variety of macro explanations that would not have justified panicking so quickly in such circumstances.. and then also taking weird subsequent stances of largely refusing to mitigate some of the losses, after the mistake was realized.

It smells fishy, or at least seems unauthentic to me.

You may be correct, there...   Parts of it still do not really seem to add up very well.  I am not going to fight you in regards to your thinking in that direction.

I would ask for advice if i'm even thinking about dropping out, at least for some kind of feedback, if i was a noob and thus insecure.

Mindrust was not exactly a noob, and he largely did not seem afraid to ask questions and to provide feedback, which surely were some of his redeeming qualities, and I am not sure if he really lost those qualities, even though we are likely putting him on the defensive quite a bit.. which he deserves a lot of it, seems to me.

But mindrust didn't ever show insecurities since i read the WO, imho. There were no signs of weakness, afair. Even in earlier times of dipping.

You are probably either misremembering, or maybe you had not noticed, but surely mindrust had several episodes of emotionalness, being overly pessimistic, predicting doom and gloom and behaviors like that, but surely selling his whole BTC stash did seem to be a bit too extreme in terms of being a bit further out of character than those previous bouts of negative nancy...

In any event, panicking and selling some BTC stash at the wrong time is not wholly inconsistent with some of mindrust's previous illogical and seemingly extreme approaches that sometimes had seemed short -lived and they ended up largely resolving themselves with the BTC price going up.

This all doesn't represent honesty.

You might be right about the conclusion, but there were previous signs of emotional weakness, and undue bearishness out of mindrust... just saying.

I don't even speculate about (secret or hidden) reasons that haven't become obvious, known or told (yet). WO hodler legendaries and hero members are seen as trustworthy, in general, according to my reading and chatting experience.

Yeah, but there have been a lot of high ranking and even high trusted forum members who end up exit scamming, so there is always a need for some vigilance and skepticisms, even with high ranking and long track record members

Another bothersome aspect of mindrust might have to do with his seemingly conversion into a kind of nocoiner perspective.. which is really irritating and really not justified, even given that he did seem to paint himself in a corner to some extent.

And that adds to my reasoning for suspicion. Just a lil fishy, you know?

Fair enough.

Later he also wrote he was in doubt from the start. Some even were speculating if mindrust sold his account, may it have been pure irony or not, but his u-turn was a good reason for such speculations, i think.

Sure, those are fair skepticisms, too.

I just realize my post reads like a private message a little, but even if i should be wrong, i have got no reasons to hide my thoughts. Everybody can try to prove me wrong or point out errors that i made, convince me... I'll try to be open #nohomo.
I am losing track a little through my writings, but hopefully make my points clear enough, most time

Sure.  You are clear enough, yet even though I consider mindrust's actions to have been severe, I conclude that the transformation was not likely as great as you had made it out to be.  That's just my take on it, currently.

[Ibian]

Meta: It's troubling to me in a way. I've read reports that it is disproportionately affecting black and brown folk more severely than other races. Evidently there is some genetic component involved, leading to a harsher response to the virus. Sheeit.

Most likely blacks have less vitamin D due to darker skin. Take your supplements.

This makes little sense, somehow.
Afair i read about higher vitamin-D levels in dark colored people, because dark skin better absorbs sunlight.
If blacks are really more endangered, it's more likely a genetic cause to be within scope.

I need to take supplements because of sick intestines, to support brain functionality and overall physical performance. I know quite a lot about supps and which ones to combine under which circumstances, but i found the effects and promises of supps generally to be overrated, if not hyped in the concerns of vitamin-D3. Research is pointing to it as an immune biomarker, instead of a cause or remedy for sickness. Sure, there are correlations with longevity, but not causalisations, at least not proven. The human body and it's reactions are far too complex to make "wonder-supps" plausible.

Dark skin blocks sunlight. That's why we tan and it is why people generally have lighter skin the further north you go.

[Vectra]

Very nice bounce today

[cAPSLOCK]

- A resurgence in new infections has been detected in Florida, Texas and California. 170,000 new cases in the U.S within one week.

IIRC, Dallas county has had 300+ infections per day, for almost three to four days in a row now. It's up, but slowly stabilizing at a higher value. Was a couple-few days last week where I think they broke records for consecutive days.

Meta: It's troubling to me in a way. I've read reports that it is disproportionately affecting black and brown folk more severely than other races. Evidently there is some genetic component involved, leading to a harsher response to the virus. Sheeit.

In that county I have access to a MAJOR hospital system's trending COVID data.  (access is an understatement)

Unfortunately the numbers are NOT going down, and do not appear to be stabilizing either.  Too early to say for sure... but from what we see all the signs are pointing up.

[Biodom]

Fully transparent in Harris county (Houston):
https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

Here is a 'funny' post about economy today:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/15/the-fed-says-it-is-going-to-start-buying-individual-corporate-bonds.html

Is there a true market (apart from bitcoin) in this "market" economy?

[serveria.com]

10k in 24h 

[bitcoinPsycho]

10k in 24h 

Its looking that way

[OutOfMemory]

Meta: It's troubling to me in a way. I've read reports that it is disproportionately affecting black and brown folk more severely than other races. Evidently there is some genetic component involved, leading to a harsher response to the virus. Sheeit.

Majority of sicknesses including Covid is nothing else as wrong nutrition.
Daily intake of about 70% alkaline and 30% acidic food and anyone is as strong as can be. Flu, Covid, Common Cold.... not a worry.

Like a 2 component glue if mix according to instruction its hold well, if mixed wrong and 90% hardener is used or something crazy it will break at first sign of stress.

Acidic food: Seafood, Meat, Cheese, Grains (Wheat, Rye, Rice..), pasteurized food, Milk, Pale Beer, Carbonated drinks (sparkling mineral water, Coke...)
Alkaline  food: Fruit, Vegetables, Herbs/Spices, natural fermented food, Honey, Some Nuts (Chest, Pine, Coco, Hazel, Macadamia), Wine, Draft Beer, Stout Beer, Coffee, Tea...

What else is Acidic, Face Mask as exhaled CO2 (acidic) is partly re-inhaled because mask prevent it from being proper exchanged for fresh oxygen.

Healthy blood pH is 7.35 - 7.45 slight alkali, 7 is neutral, 0 max acid, 14 max basic (alkali), log scale

I knew you will post something like this. Honey, Wine, Coffee and Beer with residue amounts of sugar are acidic, afaik.
Nutrition plays a role for a healthy body, but i think it's too general and exaggerated to fire statements like

Covid is nothing else as wrong nutrition

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It's about well known nowadays that health (and spirit) is mostly determined by gut bacteria. Sure, nutrition is influencing gut bacteria, but there are limits.
No need to go into more detail.