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March 24, 2014, 04:39:21 AM

if you are convinced in the extrapolation, you will be fine.



Extrapolating against a factor of complex or questionable relationship to the dependent variable is a fairly weak case.  That's why I prefer to extrapolate on the basis of the moving average over the number of active wallets in the past 24 hours.  This is a sound number, and the dependency relationship is adequately explained by metcalfe's law.  The mechanisms of  value growth are more directly understood in the latter case.
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March 24, 2014, 05:08:32 AM

In less than a year I have spent more than two weeks browsing this forum.

Wow.

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Date Registered:   August 02, 2011, 06:04:41 PM
Total time logged in: 106 days, 13 hours and 42 minutes.

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March 24, 2014, 05:13:14 AM

if you are convinced in the extrapolation, you will be fine.



Extrapolating against a factor of complex or questionable relationship to the dependent variable is a fairly weak case.  That's why I prefer to extrapolate on the basis of the moving average over the number of active wallets in the past 24 hours.  This is a sound number, and the dependency relationship is adequately explained by metcalfe's law.  The mechanisms of  value growth are more directly understood in the latter case.

What data can you show us from that focus?
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March 24, 2014, 05:36:47 AM

Chinese Slumber Method prediction for Monday March 24

Prediction valid for: Monday 2014-03-24, 19:00--19:59 UTC (not before, not after)
Huobi's predicted price: 3316 CNY.
Bitstamp's predicted price: 541 USD.



The red and green strokes are actual hourly prices (Huobi on the left, Bitstamp on the right).  The olive-gray vertical band was inserted to fill 2 hours that are missing in bitcoinwisdom's plot.  The magenta square at right is the above prediction.  The blue square next to it is the last prediction (see below). The light blue-gray squares are the older predictions.   The blue dots are the Slumber Points, the mean prices ((L+H)/2) in the interval 19:00--19:59 UTC every day. On the Huobi plot, the size of the Albertosaurus under each dot indicates the night-time activity at Huobi. Specifically, the area of the reptile is proportional S = Vh/Vd, where Vh is Huobi's mean hourly volume in the three hour period 18:00--20:59 UTC (02:00am--04:59am China time), and Vd is Huobi's daily volume 00:00--23:59 UTC on the same date.  The largest Albertosauri correspond to the S = 0.010 or greater.   The size of each blue dot (on both plots) is proportional to its reliability weight, computed from Huobi's ratio S.  The brown lines on Huobi's plot are trends fitted a posteriori to the Slumber Points. The orange line is the trend assumed for the Huobi prediction above.

The trend assumed for the above prediction is the same as used for the last prediction, namely a shifted exponential A + B*Q**(d-d0), where d is the day of the month, d0 = 19, A = 2685.90, B = 1061.64, Q = 0.901.  The values of A and B were fitted by weighted least squares to the points Mar/19--22.  (It may have been more correct to include today's Slumber Point Mar/23 in the least squares fitting, but the weight 0.573 computed from its S ratio (5.278) does not does not account for the disruptive effect of the DDOS attack which put the site offline for 4 hours, 01--04 pm local time.)

The Bitstamp prediction, as usual, is the Huobi prediction divided by the currency conversion factor R, which was assumed to be 6.15 CNY/USD (it was 6.09, 6.20, 6.15 at the last 3 Slumber Times).

Checking the previous prediction

Prediction was posted on: Saturday 2014-03-22, 23:46 UTC
Prediction was valid for: Saturday 2014-03-23, 19:00--19:59 UTC (~19 hours later)

Huobi's predicted price: 3386 CNY.
Huobi's actual price (L+H)/2: 3469 CNY
Error: 83 CNY (~14 USD)

Bitstamp's predicted price: 551 USD.
Bitstamp's actual price (L+H)/2: 566 USD
Error: 15 USD

NOTE: "Tomorrow the price will be the same as today" may be the most accurate predictor one can get.
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March 24, 2014, 05:59:07 AM

So, I'm reading that Vicurex has stopped withdrawals (source: the trollbox)...does anyone use this exchange and able to comment -- I can't find anything so assume its another teen-troll-fantasy.

Yes they are freezing withdrawals and not crediting deposits for BTC, LTC, TRC and FTC. All other coins are seeing a premium in price as people run for the exit.
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March 24, 2014, 06:10:42 AM

if you are convinced in the extrapolation, you will be fine.



Extrapolating against a factor of complex or questionable relationship to the dependent variable is a fairly weak case.  That's why I prefer to extrapolate on the basis of the moving average over the number of active wallets in the past 24 hours.  This is a sound number, and the dependency relationship is adequately explained by metcalfe's law.  The mechanisms of  value growth are more directly understood in the latter case.

I don't really know what it takes to draw lines but I see predictions all over the place depending on the starting point and which points are considered to be significant in establishing the angle(s).  So, do you have a graph that shows number of active wallets within the past 24 hours, 1 or 2 years?
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March 24, 2014, 06:17:22 AM

So, I'm reading that Vicurex has stopped withdrawals (source: the trollbox)...does anyone use this exchange and able to comment -- I can't find anything so assume its another teen-troll-fantasy.

Yes they are freezing withdrawals and not crediting deposits for BTC, LTC, TRC and FTC. All other coins are seeing a premium in price as people run for the exit.

Thanks.

Wow, another exchange hits the rails.  How far down can we go?

Dude, its a shitty exchange for pump and dump scam coins. Who ever actually leave btc on there deserves to lose it.

Whos next? Bter ofcourse.
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March 24, 2014, 06:27:07 AM

Has bitfinex decoupled from bitstamp and become more of its own exchange now?
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March 24, 2014, 06:29:16 AM

Mooncake... Is your point that people could gravitate over to an IMF -type coint.. yeah right.. no one is really going to have confidence in any government sponsored coin... so they would definitely have to be manipulative,  tricky and coercive in order to get people to adopt it.. but NO real people are really gonna trust it.. so bitcoin will still win over some kind of government sponsored alt coin.

Look at it objectively. There are broadly 3 groups of people with regards to bitcoin perception.
1. Do not know or can't be bothered;
2. Aware of it and stay on the sideline; and
3. True believer.
Now, assign a % to each of the group based on their relative number proportion.

Suppose IMF introduces its cryptocurrency tomorrow, only (3) will not support. Is the % of (3) sufficiently significant to be meaningful?

FYI, in the 1940s, the closest to a global central currency called the bancor was proposed though not implemented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor
This evolved to Special drawing rights in the 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_drawing_rights
In the future, can there be a global central currency? What would be the driving factors? What would be its form?
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March 24, 2014, 06:34:07 AM

Something brewing?

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March 24, 2014, 06:52:31 AM

Something brewing?



bearish?
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March 24, 2014, 07:11:07 AM


Bullish.
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March 24, 2014, 07:12:29 AM


Bullish.

care to explain how?
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March 24, 2014, 07:14:15 AM

Mooncake... Is your point that people could gravitate over to an IMF -type coint.. yeah right.. no one is really going to have confidence in any government sponsored coin... so they would definitely have to be manipulative,  tricky and coercive in order to get people to adopt it.. but NO real people are really gonna trust it.. so bitcoin will still win over some kind of government sponsored alt coin.

Look at it objectively. There are broadly 3 groups of people with regards to bitcoin perception.
1. Do not know or can't be bothered;
2. Aware of it and stay on the sideline; and
3. True believer.
Now, assign a % to each of the group based on their relative number proportion.

Suppose IMF introduces its cryptocurrency tomorrow, only (3) will not support. Is the % of (3) sufficiently significant to be meaningful?

FYI, in the 1940s, the closest to a global central currency called the bancor was proposed though not implemented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor
This evolved to Special drawing rights in the 1970s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_drawing_rights
In the future, can there be a global central currency? What would be the driving factors? What would be its form?


Granted you make a good point about different kinds of people and that some people will gravitate towards something with governmental backing, legitimacy, security... or whatever...

Now, if we are getting into the idea of a global currency, that is another story.. and likely a story of last ditch desperation rather than meaningful intent.  Countries like the USA are NOT going to agree to a global currency.. unless they have to and they see NO other choice, and only then would such choice be kicking and screaming or b/c they have some special ability to manipulate it...





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March 24, 2014, 07:27:53 AM

Something brewing?



Hampy Dumpy on the Wall
Why you  dumping coins all?

     Oh I dont know...
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March 24, 2014, 08:02:36 AM

Where was Vircurex located (physically, legally, whatever)?  Are the owners known?
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March 24, 2014, 08:28:11 AM

New FUD  Cheesy

To Bitstamp: Gox's coins are being sold on your exchange:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527565.0


No wonder why stamp is lower than btc-e..
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March 24, 2014, 09:03:11 AM

Anyone know about lakebtc.com?

They have an impressive volume for a new exchange

http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/
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March 24, 2014, 10:22:29 AM

Whoa 8 blocks in 25 minutes.
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