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Even though we probably should not be kissing the asses of anyone in bitcoin, even if they end up serving as a pretty BIG bitcoin spokesperson in a lot of ways.. And surely Saylor ended up coming to bitcoin in a way that was quite aggressive and assertive in terms of his investment of both money and time, as Gachapin pointed out.

He’s more than that.  MicroStrategy is a de facto national intelligence agency for Bitcoin.  Hello, what is their core business?  Their highly profitable business, the proceeds of which they have used to buy all those bitcoins?  Analytics and data mining to guide strategic business decisions.  Business Intelligence.

(This also relates to some points on the POW vs. POS thread, where I will reply later.)

I am dismayed that they apparently got blindsided together with everyone else, as someone out there quietly built up terrifically huge short positions and prepared to execute a multi-pronged trashing of the market, timed to hit right after the big Fed meeting.  But it’s not surprising.  MicroStrategy are no dummies—but (I infer/upon information and belief) Blackrock, Citadel, et al. are no dummies, either.  It is sharks vs. sharks, by analogy to “spy vs. spy”.

(Don’t forget that in mid-2020, Saylor himself very quietly built up MSTR’s initial long position.  IIRC, before he publicly announced it, he managed to scoop up something like 0.18% of the total then-existing BTC supply without anyone noticing.)

Not that timely intelligence on that would mean dumping BTC!  Not for someone who is in it for the long term.  If I had high capital and an inkling that a much higher-capital party was preparing to wreck the market, I would hold BTC long while shorting perps and dated futures, hedging with options, and taking other steps to batten down the hatches and secure my position with the goal of winding up with more BTC and more dollars at the bottom.

FYI, I also take it as highly significant that Saylor and his Business Intelligence company more or less suddenly exchanged their saved-up dollars to bitcoins in mid-2020.  (They essentially switched their savings account to BTC—before they started exchanging some of their ongoing income into bitcoins, and using debt to buy even more bitcoins.)  That is the action of an extremely well-informed investor, who had access to mountains of data that you and I have no idea about.

That’s much more significant than his tweets.  Helpful though those are (thx, @saylor).

I don't disagree with anything that you are saying, and surely Saylor was a fast studier into bitcoin, but I take him at his word in terms of his explanation that our March 2020 liquidity event (and governmental actions/reactions) surrounding that had triggered his looking into bitcoin.. so actually prior to March 2020 bitcoin was not on his radar.. except that he was largely dismissing it as a big nothing burger.

Sure, Saylor is smart.  Sure Saylor has a lot of sophisticated tools, and he articulates various bitcoin fundamentals quite well.

At the same time, he is not really saying anything new in terms of what OG bitcoiners had been saying for at least 6-8 years before he came onto the bitcoin scene... In some sense, the people coming into bitcoin are becoming smarter and smarter, but really they are building off the foundations of various giants and there is some symbioticness in regards to how the information builds, and for sure Saylor has put information together that is quite sophisticated in framing some of the bitcoin matters in new ways - so sure some aspects of bitcoin consciousness is likely changed and better informed and better able to parrot some of his talking points, too.

Maybe I am rambling a wee bit in my not disagreeing agreement with you.. and yeah, it sure is nice that we have Saylor on the bitcoin train.. and even though we can sometimes see his relatively BIG ego coming through some of his interviews, he does seem quite able to restrain various ego aspects and to ongoingly stay on message... and even he seems to recognize and appreciate that he is ONLY one cog in a bitcoin wheel that is much BIGGER than him.. while at the same time he seem to be doing his part to help spread the bitcoin message.. fairly regularly and much more than he needs to be doing.. as Gachapin mentioned he could be banging hot chicks all daylong from now until he kicks the bucket, but instead he chooses to spend his time talking about various aspects and angles of bitcoin 24/7-ish.

Jay, if you think I seem pessimistic now, you have no idea how I will personally redefine the whole concept of “pessimism” if Bitcoin fails.  The world needs Bitcoin.

You can only help yourself in regards to your own mental ways of dealing with the various ways that bitcoin continues to grow (or not), and even if I had used the word pessimism to describe you, I consider you to be overstating both the powers of any potential challengers who want to kill the golden goose, and understating bitcoin's already built in ability (even as a bunch of people) to stave off the various attacks that are likely to be thrown in the direction of bitcoin.

I have already responded to this point, so I doubt that I have much to add, and I doubt that I am even discounting that large attacks can be made onto bitcoin, but I question the extent to which we need to be living as scaredy cats in regards to such attack actions that they may well not be able to coordinate as well as you expect or to be successful.. yeah bitcoin is small and yeah bitcoin could get pushed underground....

I think the most important questions for each of us regards how we are going to allocate ourselves, and really, I had asked you at one point, DW, what is it that you want me (and others to do, exactly), and maybe I don't really want to know the answer to the extent that you have already provided some answers in that direction.

Please don’t incite the wannabe sleuths around here to start guessing which account is his.

On the other hand, it is an awful coincidence that I started sounding the alarm here in WO about POS being a serious threat to Bitcoin—and then, Saylor tweeted about it.  By wannabe-sleuth standards, that amounts to proof that I am Saylor’s super-secret Bitcoin Forum account! Shocked


oh gawd!!!!     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Is the idea really that ridiculous?  “Asking for a friend”—well, not for my friend.  My friends are not wannabe-sleuths who shoot off their mouths over irrelevant non-issues based on a few coincidences.  My friends are not possessed of such pettiness and poor judgment.

Needless to say, I myself am aware that the idea is ridiculous.  Nonetheless, rules are rules!

Pursuant to my strict policy in such matters, I neither admit nor deny the rumor that I am Saylor’s super-secret Bitcoin Forum account. Cool

oh gawd!!!!     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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It looks like it Happens every four years if BTC Follow the previous two. Then good Luck For 2023.
I believe Hodlers will never be upset, and they will try to accumulate more BTC If BTC hits the $20K-$25 Range or lower.
But, If BTC doesn't follow previous yearly patterns, It will put a smile on many people's faces. But, Holders will surely wait for some dips to make their DCA Cheaper.



Yes.. and they may well get fucked. if they put too much weight into getting BTC at prices cheaper than what has already been achieved.. already a 63% correction?   More is expected?

One way to screw a lot of folks waiting for cheaper bitcoin is to not allow the BTC price to go down as much as they expect.. then what?  Seen it plenty of times in the past.. folks looking for and waiting for lower BTC prices that do not end up happening.  What else is new?
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RIP bearwhales. Many more short liquidations than the previous move to $31K last month. Not convinced this short squeeze is over yet if price can clear $32.4K previous lower high.



After 9 weeks of red came to an end yesterday with a Weekly doji reversal candle, today's upside shouldn't really come as any surprise. The wring was on the wall, written in big bold letters. Looks like it was also overdue by about 2 weeks imo. My only concern is that price remains in a bear flag on the 4hr, but the macro factors of Weekly oversold should override that eventually, even if takes a week or more. Between $35K and $40K things could really get interesting as sellers would again be trapped under $32K which we've seen twice before in January and Summer of 2021.

Weekly RSI is currently at a critical level, currently at 37.45. Closing above 37.5 would likely signal the end of the downtrend, similar to 2019 and 2020, but still 6 more days to go:



I also realise how bored and/or frustrated people are with various signals (particularly on-chain) that have signalled a bottom since the mid $30K range, basically 6 months ago. The fact that people are losing faith with various indicators is also a good thing though, the more people think this isn't the bottom then the more likely that it probably is. That said, enough indicators also suggest a bit more downside, so clearly various indicators aren't being as reliable as they usually are (or have been previously). Hence macro bull trap @ $69K followed by macro bear trap @ $25K by the looks of it.
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A Newly Published Book Claims to Tell the 'Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator

Finding Satoshi: The Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto” written by Ivy McLemore was released in June 2022.

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The book gives readers the unique opportunity to join a reporter on the search of a lifetime for the creator of the world’s best-performing investment. It looks at 40 candidates and leads to a little-known, under-the-radar suspect with stunning, previously untold secrets only Bitcoin’s creator could know.

Regardless what you believe about Satoshi’s real-life identity, Finding Satoshi gives readers 42 specific points to ponder.

https://news.bitcoin.com/a-newly-published-book-claims-to-tell-the-real-story-behind-mysterious-bitcoin-creator/

It’s listed on Amazon



This is main bit I'm not buying:

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An account of the story published in November 2019 says that one evening, the self-proclaimed Bitcoin inventor says he turned on the Fujitsu laptop that ostensibly contained 980K BTC, and all it would show was a blank screen. He didn’t think it was a hard drive issue so he decided to send the laptop to a repair center to get fixed, and he also left specific instructions that said: “Don’t touch the hard drive.” The repair firm explained to Khalid that the hard drive was the issue and that the hardware was “totally dead.”

1. I'm supposed to believe he had 980K Bitcoin on a harddrive and didn't make a backup? I'm sure there are enough satoshi quotes about making backups?
2. He sent the laptop to a repair shop WITH the hard drive (with 980K BTC)? If he didn't think it was the hard drive, why didn't he remove it? They wouldn't be using it to check his laptop anyyway.
3. Why didn't he use a bootable USB/disc to check the hard drive himself using another laptop? Or try his laptop with a different harddrive? This is the basics of problem solving tech problems.

I'm basically supposed to believe that Satoshi was a tech noob who didn't know how to identify whether his disc was broken, or his laptop Roll Eyes
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[...]Between $35K and $40K things could really get interesting as sellers would again be trapped under $32K which we've seen twice before in January and Summer of 2021.[...]


Thanks for your analysis. To a non-trader, could you eleborate a bit about sellers trapped under (Adam's magic) $32k?
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I'm basically supposed to believe that Satoshi was a tech noob who didn't know how to identify whether his disc was broken, or his laptop Roll Eyes

He published his "reveal" in 2019. Even if the laptop died in 2015 or 2016, everyone who used bitcoin knew about cold storage and backups and private keys and all of that. That guy mentioned could not possibly be Satoshi. And whatever the book says, if it's another person, then, well, we won't know about it until someone mentions who that is, but it is also unlikely that anyone else would be Satoshi.

There are some very simple ways to self-identify or prove you are Satoshi, yet no one has been able to do it. Sign a message using the PGP key that was published before. Sign a message using any or at least some (maybe 3 or 4) bitcoin addresses ... or do all of them if you really want the world to believe you.

And for the traders or watchers, here's what I see:

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A Newly Published Book Claims to Tell the 'Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator

Finding Satoshi: The Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto” written by Ivy McLemore was released in June 2022.

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The book gives readers the unique opportunity to join a reporter on the search of a lifetime for the creator of the world’s best-performing investment. It looks at 40 candidates and leads to a little-known, under-the-radar suspect with stunning, previously untold secrets only Bitcoin’s creator could know.

Regardless what you believe about Satoshi’s real-life identity, Finding Satoshi gives readers 42 specific points to ponder.

https://news.bitcoin.com/a-newly-published-book-claims-to-tell-the-real-story-behind-mysterious-bitcoin-creator/

It’s listed on Amazon



 Allegedly, Khalid’s computer was a Fujitsu laptop that had “military-grade encryption.”

Red flag #1.

Satoshi would never say "Military grade encryption".

I am sure that's the only red flag though...
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A Newly Published Book Claims to Tell the 'Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator

Finding Satoshi: The Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto” written by Ivy McLemore was released in June 2022.

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The book gives readers the unique opportunity to join a reporter on the search of a lifetime for the creator of the world’s best-performing investment. It looks at 40 candidates and leads to a little-known, under-the-radar suspect with stunning, previously untold secrets only Bitcoin’s creator could know.

Regardless what you believe about Satoshi’s real-life identity, Finding Satoshi gives readers 42 specific points to ponder.

https://news.bitcoin.com/a-newly-published-book-claims-to-tell-the-real-story-behind-mysterious-bitcoin-creator/

It’s listed on Amazon



 Allegedly, Khalid’s computer was a Fujitsu laptop that had “military-grade encryption.”

Red flag #1.

Satoshi would never say "Military grade encryption".

I am sure that's the only red flag though...

I watched this clown from day one of his appearance, and also the "interview" that was recorded shortly after.
While i could not rule out a possible Satoshi (nor an imposter) by the info on the coming-out (#nohomo) website, this "Satoshi applicant" was showing many mimic tells of lying,  throughout the interview. This is 99,9% NOT Satoshi Nakamoto. Also, he was advertising his "new platform", a network (a shitcoin) that should supersede Bitcoin, be super fair and give late adopters a second chance of getting in early. I didn't investigate this further.

EDIT: Probably he was also behind the production of this book. You never know. If he comes out as the "most likely Satoshi", i would even more think so...

EDIT2: Old McAfeee (RIP) once tweeted he identified Satoshi by mainly analyzing his writings, phoned him up, told him that he knew he is the one. His reply was like "Yeah, got me. But don't tell anyone, because you don't want to see me dead, will you?". A british man, by the way.
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Still range bound between $29,000 & $32,000. Meh, still feels a lot better than $7,600 which is what we were at on 6th June in 2018. If it follows the same path we should bottom at approx $21,000 early in 2023 & then go sideways for a significant period around $25,000 before a slow climb upwards as we enter 2024 which is halvening year. Absolute moon in 2025, something like $250,000.

I still advocate that everything under $30,000 will look like a genius buy within 2 years. Keep stacking those sats, boys.

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A Newly Published Book Claims to Tell the 'Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator

Finding Satoshi: The Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto” written by Ivy McLemore was released in June 2022.

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The book gives readers the unique opportunity to join a reporter on the search of a lifetime for the creator of the world’s best-performing investment. It looks at 40 candidates and leads to a little-known, under-the-radar suspect with stunning, previously untold secrets only Bitcoin’s creator could know.

Regardless what you believe about Satoshi’s real-life identity, Finding Satoshi gives readers 42 specific points to ponder.

https://news.bitcoin.com/a-newly-published-book-claims-to-tell-the-real-story-behind-mysterious-bitcoin-creator/

It’s listed on Amazon



 Allegedly, Khalid’s computer was a Fujitsu laptop that had “military-grade encryption.”

Red flag #1.

Satoshi would never say "Military grade encryption".

I am sure that's the only red flag though...

"Military grade" .. Cheesy Cheesy

Made me think of that guy that said his dad explaining to him that "military grade" actually means the cheapest contractor bid winning the contract.   Roll Eyes   Roll Eyes
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