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Hmmm... This is dystopian.

But I do hope the seats on top can go all the way down just to add that extra, free-of-charge claustrophobia into the journey.

Just wait until the person on the top bunk spills their drink and you have ice-cold cranapple dripping in your lap/into your macbook.
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For those who want to smell other people's farts a bit better on a plane this is a great invention.


Double-decker plane seat design ‘comfortable’ but ‘claustrophobic’
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Hmmm... This is dystopian.

But I do hope the seats on top can go all the way down just to add that extra, free-of-charge claustrophobia into the journey.

Might as well give the people on the bottom seats neck braces to cope with injuries during turbulence if you can do that.

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LOL here we go...

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One other thing.  For better or worse Satoshi invented an asset that has no controllers or mechanisms to damp the value spikes and dips.  When a poorly designed DeFi scam uses bitcoin as it's reserve asset, and eventually goes broke, then they have to sell those bitcoin into the market.  And there is no governance that can add or remove BTC from the system so the shocks are felt as they truly are, rather than having the illusion of stability.

It sounds like you want an algorithmic central bank that can set monetary policy adapting money-supply to money-demand.

Terra was explicitly advertised as a decentralized “algorithmic central bank”.

Do Kwon is a scammer, a thief, a liar and a swindler.  He proved it beyond a reasonable doubt when, under the rubric of rigged “governance” that showed the true nature of POS, he commanded by central executive order the hardforking of a “decentralized” blockchain to divert value from some people to others.

That does not invalidate the “algorithmic central bank” concept which he abused—not any more than his dishonest and malicious abuse of “blockchain” invalidates the concept of a blockchain.

I have remarked before, perhaps too subtly, to the effect that Do Kwon gave central bankers, USG, et al. the biggest gift for which they could have wished.  Imagine if the basic concepts in Bitcoin had been early associated in the public mind with a giant scam!

We need permissionless innovation, and continuing innovation.  Decentralized, trustless, permissionless algorithmic price stability:  Can it be done?

Before Bitcoin, everyone knew that a practical implementation of a decentralized, trustless, permissionless Byzantine fault-tolerant database was an impossible fantasy.  Just as there are now arguments that a stablecoin cannot exist without a centralized backing as Tether has, a plausible argument could have been made that it is impossible to prevent double-spends securely without a trusted central authority.  Before Bitcoin, that argument would have had most people nodding their heads!  Then, Satoshi invented Bitcoin.  Imagine if the tenor of public discussion had been, “It is impossible—you are not allowed to do that—you are not even allowed to think about it.”

Regardless of whether or not the inventor tried just to do it anyway, Bitcoin would have been killed in its cradle.  Read Satoshi’s old posts, and you will see how sensitive he was to avoid having the project snuffed out early; he even wanted Wikileaks not to take Bitcoin donations when Bitcoin was too young.

I consider the “decentralized price-stability” problem to be ripe for research and experimentation.  Numerous attempts have failed—Terra was only the biggest failure, far from the first—it was not even Do Kwon’s first failure!  Is the problem intractable?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  See the above analogy.  I do not like the Do Kwon stench being smeared over the whole idea.

(For the record, I do not buy the argument that Bitcoin forever solved all possible problems in monetary theory, it is the only form of money that anybody will ever need for all eternity, thus thou shalt not think about innovating even one step further.  I see that as a strawman caricature of a Bitcoiner; I am sensitive to that, since I have received my share of “Bitcoin maxi” insults.  Unfortunately, I do sometimes see some people make exactly that type of an argument.  I think that Bitcoin solved many problems, and systems complementary to Bitcoin could solve more problems; where altcoiners usually fall down is by attempting to compete with Bitcoin using things that can’t compete with Bitcoin.  Bitcoin Envy is a thing.  But by analogy, gold was never actually the only form of money in the world—even when there was essentially a worldwide gold standard.)

When a poorly designed DeFi scam uses bitcoin as it's reserve asset, and eventually goes broke, then they have to sell those bitcoin into the market.

It is a bad look to complain about use of a reserve asset as—an emergency reserve.

Even after I got liquidated and lost most of my BTC due to the LFG dump of BTC, I still did not blame them—until the point that evidence emerged to indicate:  It seems that they used the BTC to give insider whales a golden parachute while Do Kwon was still promising a re-peg, then let smallholders with their life savings in UST take the plunge.  Proof of malice is that a few days after Do Kwon publicly promised a re-peg, he announced his intent and his initial plan to hardfork the Terra blockchain to abandon the peg (among other badness).

If LFG only dumped the BTC to provide early exit liquidity so that insider whales could get out with their dollars (and I say this on the basis of high probability; I have not yet even tried to pass final judgment over the tangle of conflicting claims), then they weren’t even trying to use Bitcoin as a reserve asset backstopping a currency peg!  They just trashed the Bitcoin market (and caused liquidation of most of my BTC) as a means of worse scamming both UST bagholders, and LUNA bagholders whose investment was only valuable due to the peg.  Such things cannot be prevented in a permissionless system—but it’s a crime, like stealing BTC is a crime even though Bitcoin purposely has no way to grab back stolen coins.

However, taking what you said within its four corners:  If BTC cannot be sold as a reserve asset when needed, on-demand, then we need to tell people to stop buying BTC as a reserve asset.  What if El Salvador has a national crisis, and they need to lean heavily on their reserves?  Are they allowed to sell?  If a country falls back on its gold reserves when it needs to, goldbugs don’t complain about that.

I want the world to embrace Bitcoin as a credible, reliable reserve asset.  A friend of mine who hates Terra with fire thinks that Terra was attacked only as a strategic manoeuvre to attack the whole concept of using BTC as a reserve.  I wouldn’t go that far, but I actually do think that was one of several major motives.

Also, the casino nature of the "crypto" market, leads to great volitility and the association of Bitcoin as a "tech product" has it firmly in step with the Nasdaq chart at times.

Filed under, “Teach people that Bitcoin is not a stock—Bitcoin is nothing like a stock.”  It is a very large file.
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Also, the casino nature of the "crypto" market, leads to great volitility and the association of Bitcoin as a "tech product" has it firmly in step with the Nasdaq chart at times.

Filed under, “Teach people that Bitcoin is not a stock—Bitcoin is nothing like a stock.”  It is a very large file.

Its no secret that bitcoin has been tracking the stock market latelty and becoming more and more intertwined with political and macroeconomic factors,So it may actually be beneficial to treat it as a "stock" as this will allow for better models and price predictions.


On another note: how long do yall  think we can hold this 20k support,and is there any major support under it incase we break it ?
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Also, the casino nature of the "crypto" market, leads to great volitility and the association of Bitcoin as a "tech product" has it firmly in step with the Nasdaq chart at times.

Filed under, “Teach people that Bitcoin is not a stock—Bitcoin is nothing like a stock.”  It is a very large file.

Its no secret that bitcoin has been tracking the stock market latelty and becoming more and more intertwined with political and macroeconomic factors,So it may actually be beneficial to treat it as a "stock" as this will allow for better models and price predictions.


On another note: how long do yall  think we can hold this 20k support,and is there any major support under it incase we break it ?

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Hmmm... This is dystopian.

But I do hope the seats on top can go all the way down just to add that extra, free-of-charge claustrophobia into the journey.

Just wait until the person on the top bunk spills their drink and you have ice-cold cranapple dripping in your lap/into your macbook.

Or the fat lady at the window seat needs to get up to go pee.
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I think this illustrates the risk of de-prioritizing the money aspect of Bitcoin. Because there is no ecosystem for buying and selling goods and services, when things get fucky, it becomes a rush for the exit.
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Next phase

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/06/15/china-giant-sky-eye-telescope-aliens/7632759001/


Chinese researchers found a signal that could be from alien civilizations, the country's science ministry reported.

Researchers with Beijing Normal University this year found “several cases of possible technological traces and extraterrestrial civilizations from outside the earth,” according to a report published Tuesday in Science and Technology Daily, the official newspaper of the Ministry of Science and Technology. The original report, however, appears to have since been deleted from the Science and Technology Daily website, according to Bloomberg.

I remember this happening before and it turned out to be a very old signal that was reflected back to us.

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https://youtu.be/Jyd19Nq6Bk0
This Video suggest that we're likely Bottoming out base on the behavior of past bear market cycles and
this Bitcoin Enthusiast aren't joking he's selling all his expensive properties Car, Watch and other things to buy Bitcoin.
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We've seen it in the past (e.g. ICOs, DAO, Bitconnect, De-Fi, Block-Fi, Luna/TerraUST, etc.) and we're going to continue to see it in the future.

Before the insider whales run up the market, they've already got their market "rug pulls" set up ahead of time.

The problem is that there is nothing that can stop them from doing it over and over again every 3-4 years.  Every entity that buys huge amounts of btc on leverage and doesn't have a plan to NOT be margin call liquidated during a downturn is a liability to the market, not an asset.

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https://youtu.be/Jyd19Nq6Bk0
This Video suggest that we're likely Bottoming out base on the behavior of past bear market cycles and
this Bitcoin Enthusiast aren't joking he's selling all his expensive properties Car, Watch and other things to buy Bitcoin.
He's basically gambling everything he has on bitcoin based on that halving chart ? not so smart
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We've seen it in the past (e.g. ICOs, DAO, Bitconnect, De-Fi, Block-Fi, Luna/TerraUST, etc.) and we're going to continue to see it in the future.

Before the insider whales run up the market, they've already got their market "rug pulls" set up ahead of time.

The problem is that there is nothing that can stop them from doing it over and over again every 3-4 years.  Every entity that buys huge amounts of btc on leverage and doesn't have a plan to NOT be margin call liquidated during a downturn is a liability to the market, not an asset.





What they're doing in this crash is literally repricing middle class out of their assets and it has been their strategy , and what I'm doing is helping most people in my network get back into Buying Bitcoin now with proper DCA, because most them sold around $40k
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https://youtu.be/Jyd19Nq6Bk0
This Video suggest that we're likely Bottoming out base on the behavior of past bear market cycles and
this Bitcoin Enthusiast aren't joking he's selling all his expensive properties Car, Watch and other things to buy Bitcoin.
He's basically gambling everything he has on bitcoin based on that halving chart ? not so smart

He’s a fiat bro, he gets paid millions by exchanges for promo & affiliate links/referrals/clicks etc. He gets paid, no matter what bitcoin does. He’s the bait used by the likes of Binance to bring the shitcoiners in.
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Hello gentlemen. Hope everyone’s doing well?

I haven’t had time to catch up on a few months of the WO so hopefully this hasn’t been posted already. I just read the latest Blockware Intelligence newsletter and thought it worth sharing. It does put the BTC price into a macroeconomic perspective and might help to put a few weak-handed minds at ease. Worth a read:

https://newsletter.blockwareintelligence.com/p/blockware-intelligence-newsletter-1af

I’d be  interested to hear others’ take on this.

Looking forward to the next bull run. Get that helicopter out of its hanger!
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A message to newbies:  If you leverage your BTC, if you take debt against BTC collateral, then the pain can always get worse!  The pain just keeps going and going... getting worse and worse, dissolving you away...  The pain does not stop until either all of your assets are absolutely zeroed out, or the debt is repaid in full.

I can’t believe the time, effort, and foot-shooting financial sacrifice that I just expended to scratch together... $100.  One hundred dollars.

I wanted to accelerate my journey to being a millionaire.  Instead, I reduced myself to nigh hundredaire status.  Not quite, but my assets are so far down that $100 now feels like a small fortune to me.  This children’s game of struggling with toy amounts is my condign reward for leveraging my BTC.

My finances have become dollhouse-sized.


Image:  A dollhouse handmade by someone’s grandfather (Dave Parker, 2007).  Surely a mansion, compared to what my scaled-down finances can afford.

A few months ago, as I nurtured my growing BTC long-term savings and a zoo of alts, I was throwing around $10k and $40k chunks of stablecoins.

The worst part is, I cannot even use the $100 to buy BTC at its current discount sale prices.  So tempting!  No, Jay, I will not behave like a drug addict relapsing into bad habits with my margin account.  Debt held against BTC collateral must be repaid, before I can go on a BTC shopping-spree.

Some months ago, I used margin to buy BTC in what I thought was a very deep dip:  The $30k range.  Buying would not have been a bad call, if I had been buying for cash.  No one can see the future.  I do not regret having bought 1 BTC at ~$43.5k for cash; I certainly would not regret buys about 10%–20% above what Saylor’s DCA then was.  I felt smug and superior to all the n00bs who got rekt FOMO-buying BTC on margin at >$60k:  I was using margin to buy the dip, when there was already blood in the streets; leverage couldn’t hurt, when I was surely close to the bottom.  But those margin buys at such tempting prices were a major factor (one of several major factors) that caused me to lose almost all of my BTC.

Now, this looks like a damn deep dip.  But there is no guarantee.  I dislike making the same mistake twice.

The 100 USDT is needed so that I can defend my remaining BTC dust down to about $17k, if necessary.  If we hold the $20k line (and I hope we do!), then when I’m down to scraps, I just wasted away more assets with future upside for nothing.  What a shame!  It is a “definitely damned if I do, maybe damned worse if I don’t” situation.  My life for the past few months has been a string of guessing games with maybe-least-bad options, without the benefit of a crystal ball.

Well, at least I can feel rich with 100 USDT in my wallet.  💰🤑🚀  I will savour it for now—add it to the margin account after a bout of drinking, or throw it in ASAP if we start crashing badly.  Money is ready to go, at a moment’s notice! 💸
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