goldkingcoiner: Last chance to show, at least, that you are not a cheap talker. I will not continue chasing after you as you evade—well, not in WO. You are doing paid advertising for a casino in your signature and avatar, but you won’t bet your own money on Dabs’ personal hounour? LOL.
I am sure that from death_wish's perspective, Dabs's charity for starving children is a reportable offense as well. And if I were to take his stupid bet, I am sure he would consider children's charity a form of "begging" as well and nag me for my money until I gave up.
Since you are a stupid n00b, I must explain to you how this works:
You and I each transfer money to
escrow. Reputable deep-green escrow, with a long history of handling
large escrow deals on this forum (much larger than 1.1 BTC total!). Someone with no conflicts of interest (including no personal conflicts with anyone involved here). I have someone in mind—a neutral party, with whom I have no prior
COI relationship (and also no personal conflict). It would be someone acceptable to every reasonable forum member—not one of my pals. If that escrow declines to handle this wager, then I would consider others.
The escrow takes the deal with a precisely stated contract—with terms digitally signed by you, and digitally signed by me. Reputable escrows refuse to handle a deal, unless there is a precisely stated contract.
After evidence comes out (or if a deadline passes with no adequate evidence), then
the escrow releases money according to the terms of the contract. There is no “nagging you for money”. I don’t trust you to pay up, anyway: That is why I require escrow.
I myself am happy to pay upfront into escrow, so you will have no worries that I renege. The escrow will have my money and your money. 100% above-board, fair on both sides.
All of this must occur in public, so that everyone can see that the wager is fairly settled.Bonus: If you win the bet, then
you take away my money—and if you want, you can give it to to Dabs! Or you can stipulate in the contract that your winning is payable to Dabs.
0.1 BTC to Dabs. You are so “very sure”. Are you willing to risk 1.0 BTC of your own money on Dabs’ honourable history? If you are sure, then go ahead:
Crush me, and get 0.1 BTC assistance to Dabs at no cost to yourself!
You have insulted me egregiously. You have said you are “more than sure”. How much of a coward are you?
Approximate terms of wager—pre-alpha version rough draft, with informal language; I would tighten up and formalize it with proper contractual terms, before submitting it to escrow:
I say that there will soon
* appear in public a preponderance of evidence that in the past, long before the current market crash (say, >= 1 year ago),
Dabs PMed a stranger with whom he had no prior relation, told some hard-luck story, and requested money to assist himself. [
Edited to add (archive of unedited original): This was when
Dabs was already high-rank, high-trust, and had a long-established escrow business plus long-running charity threads. Not even something that anyone could even
try to excuse as clueless-newbie misbehaviour.]
goldkingcoiner says that’s outrageous—never happened!
If the statement that I have hereby made is true as to fact, then I win the bet.
If the statement that I have hereby made is false as to fact, then goldkingcoiner wins the bet.
* “Soon” means a deadline—say,
prima facie evidence within 24 hours after the bet contract is fully formalized, and escrow confirms receipt of funds from both parties. (If the evidence is disputed, then reasonable further time may be allowed on both sides to develop a preponderance of evidence.) If no adequate evidence appears before the deadline, then goldkingcoiner wins the bet by default.
The bet shall be settled upon judgment of escrow, precisely according to the terms of the contract, in a public thread where everyone can see that it is fairly judged.
I absolutely require escrow for this. All funds from both sides must be paid upfront into escrow.I offer to bet
0.1 BTC against goldkingcoiner’s
1.0 BTC (10x odds). I would wager more, but I will need to take upfront extreme losses and risks just to scratch together 0.1 BTC. That’s a worthwhile cost, to win 1.0 BTC. Sacrificing and risking to gather 0.1 BTC
and then losing it would destroy what little is left of me; it would largely demolish my emergency reserves, to the degree of “I wish I could continue eating”. I am obviously quite confident that I will win the bet.
Moreover, I think that the contract should also stipulate that the deep-green DT escrow shall give
negative trust feedback to the loser of the bet: To me for defaming Dabs, or to goldkingcoiner for defaming me and smearing me as a liar. Both sides agree in advance to accept this permanently, without protest.
I have no problem with both the concept of a bet to attempt to resolve a difference of opinion.. and I agree with several of the points that you had made in your earlier post D_W.. but holy shit.. you want to take this to a way further level than even seems plausible..
No one is going to bet you when you are getting so excited about the issue and even seeming to unilaterally impose the betting terms, even though some of those terms are not unreasonable.. but some of them are a bit much (and seemingly emotionally laden, too).. but still format wise.. it seems reasonable to outline some of the terms if the other party might be amenable to entering into such a bet..
Sure, I understand that if you feel that you have a winning bet then you may well want to get the other side to bet a larger amount.. but even according to yourself, you don't even have 0.1BTC.. and for sure, hardly anyone would want to run the risk of losing a whole BTC unless you just happen to find a gambler who might be as deranged as ur lil selfie.
Another thing is that goldkingcoiner said that he did not even want to bet you, and sure there could be a way of making the terms bettable.. but 10/1 odds? I am having my doubts if those are fair reflections of the level of confidence being expressed, so far.. but sure, if you can get someone to proclaim something to be nearly certain about some facts, then yeah.. I suppose 10 to 1 odds is more than reasonable .. since it is 90% rather than 100%.
Even if we could arrive at 10 to 1 odds, I would think that your budget might really ONLY be able to allow you around .001 at most.. perhaps?..
and by the way.. even though goldkingcoiner does seem to like betting.. part of the reason that goldkingcoiner likely has a decent amount of BTC would be that he is likely somewhat measured in the ways that he bets.. we have already seen quite a bit of that from his historical forum participation..
By the way, I was considering not saying anything.. but from the whole escalation angle ... holy moley..... You might even make a street fighter start to feel uncomfortable.. and I would hope that our atmosphere here need not be that rough and tumble even though we might want to verbally throw down on some of the various issues from time to time... but still..
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