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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 2 (2.9%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.4%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (2.9%)
$85K to $90K - 8 (11.6%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (17.4%)
$95K to $100K - 12 (17.4%)
>$100K - 32 (46.4%)
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June 26, 2022, 08:50:01 AM
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Everyone seems to expect things going 'as before', but they don't....planB fell hard for it.

I think that IF we are starting a new cycle, it could be quite different from the prior cycles.
The amount of front-running could be significant (even more than in 2019) to the point that cycles themselves might come into question.
We have to remember that it is not a true cycle, like rotation of Earth around the Sun with spin axis tilted vs the orbital plane, causing seasons.
The change in the number of coins issued after halving vs ALL coins that were mined before keeps decreasing.
The numerator in (new coins)/(already issued coins in the circulation) is smaller, hence the effect of the new halvings might be less.
At least this is what i think.

It fits the data too: 72X from the first halving to ATH in 2013, 33X from the second halving to ATH in 2017, 7.5X from the third halving to ATH in 2021.
I don't know why the last one was SO timid..the proper number (in case of linear decline) should have been 15X (for about $130K).
Either we would "compensate" for the prior timid cycle and go bananas OR we go for 2-4X from the halving price this time (as per continuing decrease in halving influence).
2X would suggest that the cycles are effectively OVER.

If we analyze the previous two cycles, we will see something that is omitted as insignificant, but important in my opinion. In the bear market 2014-2016, although the price often returned to 200-ish, it is noticeable that the average price rose on an annual basis: 200-400-600. Price 600-750 at the beginning of the bull market is over 3x compared to the bottom 200.

Something similar happened in 2018-2020. The average price rose from 3,100 to 10K along the halving. This is again 3x +. All this is a reflection of the increase in demand, which is shown by the statistics for the new addresses. What was different this time, was that we had a flat peak for months, which was repeated at even higher levels. This is a strong sign that this price will be reached again in the near future. I say this because before there were voices that 20K is an unattainable price, the fruit of some FOMO, which will not happen again. Now things are even safer than before in this regard.

My explanation for the flat peak and the big dips is the following. In the years before 2021, there was only talk of institutions entering the spot market, not just derivatives. It turned out that they were imperceptibly preparing and all at once entered the market. Only the hedge funds that have bought bitcoins are over 1300 as I read somewhere! Many of these companies have bought over 10K bitcoins. And this is too fast depletion of liquidity in the market. Paradoxically, this did not lead to the expected sharp top above 100K.

There were many reasons for this: the elon musk tweets, the panic in Asian markets over the Chinese ban, but mostly the collapse of some projects that were de facto ponzis or had improper collateral and coudln't support the yield. It turned out that these institutions are investors who view bitcoin as the stocks. They do not expect more than 20% profit or loss. That's why they sell, mostly at a loss. Only the Canadian Purpose ETF, for example, bought over 50K bitcoins at a price above 55K and sold half of them at a price of 17.5K-20K.

In this sense, it turned out that the retail investors behind the institutions are the weakest possible hands. This is logical since if someone can't buy and hodl bitcoins in cold storage then he is not educated enough and hence doesn't have the needed will power. This leads to bankruptcies and sell-offs, which unfortunately have not yet ended. This whole fiasco changed the normal course of the cycles, but not completely. I expect more educated investors to gradually enter through the institutions that will follow the example of Michael Sailor, looking at least 4-5 years ahead.

No matter what the price will be before the next halving, investors who will show character and will not sell anything below 100K will prevail. On the other hand, no one will have any illusions anymore and will most likely sell some quantity between 100K and 200K in anticipation of a 50% + drop. So the most likely top will be in my opinion in this range. But there is a theoretical possibility that there will be no new ATH, if things with the institutions turn out to be much worse than we think (like Greyscale going bankrupt), or the other extreme - to go way over 200K and compensate for the lack of a sharp top in the previous cycle. In my opinion, this can only happen with the appearance of significant news around the normal peak, as happened in 2017.
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Zoom Out Think Bigger

BTC All time Graph is here Just look at this, Just 10 years and BTC Made its Hype all arround the world 10 years more then what you can say about it 100k 200k Do you really think that the Heavy Investors Like Saylor are hoing for the 100k not at all they saving the future for their new generation.




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gm folks! Cool
the breakfast of a Bitcoin pleb 🍉🥗
stay healthy and hodl Cool

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What a great store of value gold is.... not.

Ukraine war: UK joins ban on imports of Russian gold
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61941589


What makes "Russian gold" Russian anyway? When you get it out of a safe do you hear the Sugarplum fairy music or something..?  Roll Eyes

I have my Putin vs the west score card ready btw.
An X will mark executed from power. The last one standing without an X wins and gets the chocolate factory.

[ ] Boris Johnson
[ ] Grandpa Joe Biden
[ ] Emmanuel Macron                 v.                   [ ] Vladimir Putin
[ ] Olaf Scholz
[ ] Mark Rutte
[ ] Volodymyr Zelenskyy
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Coinbase is one of the worst of evil exchanges. 

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yup i hate coinbase because of their history and actions.

but guess which exchange i tell starting btc noobs who arent very computer literate and even less cyber security conscious? yup. coinbase. for the simple reason that they are legit from a usa law point of view.  it offers yubikey security.
accounts can be transferred to surviving spouse or executor if the account holder dies.
 

ok thats it, haters may now proceed to list the myriad ways They Suck. fine by me as i might be some that im not aware of yet and ive been with them since 2013.

now if a btc noob is slightly better informed i tell them gemnini.

please dont forget here in the usa (land of the free) we have limited choice in a lot of things.

full disclosure: coinbase is a backup exchange for me.
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I haven't looked at the charts for like 3 days now. But good for you keeping me up-to-date Buddy.   Cool   Cool


Soo.... I have looked at the mighty charts. And everything might go to sh!t in a day or two.   Roll Eyes   Roll Eyes
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Coinbase is one of the worst of evil exchanges. 

edit: TRIGGER WARNING

yup i hate coinbase because of their history and actions.

but guess which exchange i tell starting btc noobs who arent very computer literate and even less cyber security conscious? yup. coinbase. for the simple reason that they are legit from a usa law point of view.  it offers yubikey security.
accounts can be transferred to surviving spouse or executor if the account holder dies.
 

Not only coinbase most of the centralized exchange is evil. Another top-tier exchange binance is being accused of money laundering through hacking and exploits. I can see why binance has become a hub for hackers and scammers. I know centralized exchange offers many services which make our life easy when using crypto but it gives them more chances to do illegal activities.

There are rumors that Formar Binance's CEO will be imprisoned for money laundering charges.
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For me the most secure exchange is kraken. The best in terms of fees is Coinbase - for withdrawal it is almost 0 fee. The worst exchange without any doubt is Bitstamp. The fee is enourmous 0.005BTC. And each week they send me new emails asking insane things, to prove the origin of my bitcoins and fiat, by sending bank and credit card statements, pool statistics, and many other things. I stopped using this hilarious exchange several months ago.
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For me the most secure exchange is kraken. The best in terms of fees is Coinbase - for withdrawal it is almost 0 fee. The worst exchange without any doubt is Bitstamp. The fee is enourmous 0.005BTC. And each week they send me new emails asking insane things, to prove the origin of my bitcoins, fiat, by sending bank and credit card statements, pool statistics, and many other things. I stopped using this hilarious exchange several months ago.

I used bitstamp 1-2 times in 2016 and I STILL get emails from them asking to finish setting up my profile and send them additional info like what you describe.. Hilarious, indeed!
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For me the most secure exchange is kraken. The best in terms of fees is Coinbase - for withdrawal it is almost 0 fee. The worst exchange without any doubt is Bitstamp. The fee is enourmous 0.005BTC. And each week they send me new emails asking insane things, to prove the origin of my bitcoins, fiat, by sending bank and credit card statements, pool statistics, and many other things. I stopped using this hilarious exchange several months ago.

I used bitstamp 1-2 times in 2016 and I STILL get emails from them asking to finish setting up my profile and send them additional info like what you describe.. Hilarious, indeed!

I opened an account with them in 2013, they closed it around 2016 because I lived in Hawaii at the time. Fast forward six years later and they still send emails asking for info updates even though I can't even log in.
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For me the most secure exchange is kraken. The best in terms of fees is Coinbase - for withdrawal it is almost 0 fee. The worst exchange without any doubt is Bitstamp. The fee is enourmous 0.005BTC. And each week they send me new emails asking insane things, to prove the origin of my bitcoins, fiat, by sending bank and credit card statements, pool statistics, and many other things. I stopped using this hilarious exchange several months ago.

I used bitstamp 1-2 times in 2016 and I STILL get emails from them asking to finish setting up my profile and send them additional info like what you describe.. Hilarious, indeed!

I opened an account with them in 2013, they closed it around 2016 because I lived in Hawaii at the time. Fast forward six years later and they still send emails asking for info updates even though I can't even log in.


Good job folks! Naw you are in the system. And they will send dogs after you to take all your assets and confiscate your BTCiTcoins or anything you have till you give them their BTCiTcoins that they want to steal it from you.
 So you need to kill them first naw, cuz you have no other choice. Before they come after you!!
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Everyone here will love Blockstream,

Not everyone.

their Blockstream Satellite project which is essentially altruism (not only B2C, but made to help poor people in poor countries use Bitcoin!),

A hype project that has helped nobody and makes no sense.

well—where does Blockstream make their money?  I don’t know their internal structure or their financials (none of my business!), but I plausibly guess that their bread and butter is Liquid, and their Lightning infrastructure projects, and their hosted mining—all B2B, and/or for very wealthy customers.

VC capital. None of their stuff makes money AFAIK (I believe they do some mining but that's not their core business). More people should be asking questions like this.

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