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Question: When will BTC get back above $70K:
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The world's largest custodial bank says 75% of their clients are either investing or considering investing in #bitcoin    and digital assets.

BNY Mellon's clients own $43,000,000,000,000

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October 18, 2022, 01:41:15 AM

OT Benzema finally wins Ballon d'Or..at 35 after a 15 year career..like a wine that gets better with age...alas, it was clearly a swan song.
https://dnyuz.com/2022/10/17/benzema-wins-ballon-dor-after-years-of-waiting-his-turn/
Bitcoin is hanging up there so far, despite all those calls for a "final" plunge.
No worries 13-14k coming up.
impressive that you are 100% sure about the (final) low of this cycle.

do you mind sharing some of your insights that make that a done deal for you?
I made the following prediction in april 2021

70k by may I guarantee it.
so
13-14k by dec 1 I guarantee it.

proudhon will tell you math and science is the key.

if i tell you the math and science do not worry i will want to have to kill you.

so the bottom number is derived from s19 profits.

if you have a 100 th s19 and it burns 3kwatts that comes to

72 kwatts or $4.32 power cost.

at the moment 100 th earns 6.72

so the s19 nets $2.40 a day

that is too good and must get lower. say + or - 25 cents

over the years top line gear never loses much at six cent power.

so The 13-14 number is a very good guess unless the conflict ends unexpectedly.

unless putin dies tonight and the russian vs Ukraine conflict ends. Thats a unicorn as it is very unlikely to occur in the next few weeks. It would mean a massive rally.

Ok Boomer... Largely, Mr. Phil Ma... . You are admitting that you suck ass when it comes to making bitcoin-related predictions and even other kinds of predictions, and you have evidence to show how much you suck at these kinds of prediction-making activities - nonetheless, you continue to feel compelled into getting into specifics based on the seat of your pants formulas describing that momentum will continue in the same direction that it has been going and that you had erroneously employed in the past ..... because you are having funs.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

In that regard, it's all fun and games, until someone's eye gets poked out.
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So to be serious 13-14 k is far more likely to happen than putin dying and russia and ukraine ending the conflict from now till mid December.

So I am betting that we drop lower than we are now.

Basically btc is not going to rally unless the fed gives up ‘fighting’ inflation by jacking interest rates.

at this moment in time 330 million x 10000 means 3.3 trillion in 9.62% I bonds are available to us citizens.

New I bond rate comes on nov 1 it will be over 6.6%

since the core inflation rate was 6.6%

so high interest bonds were available from april 2022 to april 2023 and if you lock in right around april 2023 you are good till nov 2023.

if you don’t think printing money in the form of 6.6 trillion available in bond and rates over 8-9% it is a hard fact this is true. and it is a huge push against putting money into btc.

next the diff goes up and up and up ee are looking at btc mining ⛏ imploding very soon. and we lost 20 million a day in eth earnings which helped fuel the spaces for miner.

not done yet.

1.2 trillion in social security is paid out an it is getting a 8.7 percent raise
2.9 trillion in federal pension is paid out and it is getting a 7.7 to 8.7 percent raise

lastly federal salaries are getting a large cola.

so close to a trillion in raises done deal and whatever i bonds are purchased are going to mean over 1 trillion will be printed for the little guy so to speak.

but the fed is jacking the rates up up and away with no effect on inflation.

You think that is make believe no it is not.

I lived from 1973 to 1983 and watched inflation last.

I also paid 7.8% for a mortage in 1992 when i finally could buy a house.

The difference then was the debt was tiny under 5 trillon , but at this point the debt is so mother fucking high I think we will see it spiral upwards to 40 trillion by the 2024 election.

So while you may look at charts I simply say at the moment btc has under 500 billion market cap.

We watched big money play it like a toy. So it is dropping lower or putin dies and the war ends bringing back cheap gas and no inflation.

this is short term outlook.

and I am not betting putin dies and the war ends.
my guess is war moves on and btc takes a dump
(would be nice to lose my bet)

as my mining gear will make money if the war ends and btc rallies.

but having cash ready to buy when the dump happens is what I am doing.
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So to be serious 13-14 k is far more likely to happen than putin dying and russia and ukraine ending the conflict from now till mid December.

So I am betting that we drop lower than we are now.

The more you explain, the worse it gets.

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So to be serious 13-14 k is far more likely to happen than putin dying and russia and ukraine ending the conflict from now till mid December.

So I am betting that we drop lower than we are now.

The more you explain, the worse it gets.

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nope you are choking as this is a very short post from you

 Grin

my analysis is the fed is not fighting inflation by raising rates

they are not fighting inflation for the reasons i gave above.

they are printing more than 1 trillion dollars extra with the raises that are due.
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Inflation is really bad. Regardless of the reasons and causes.
I was excited to see the news about the US economic data last week that made me wonder when the market left $19K and headed for $21K. In fact this week the price looks still the same as last week.

I'm getting ready to welcome the bullrun while enjoying bitter coffee in the garden.
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that bull  has an inflationary ring on its nose so no run at all.

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that bull  has an inflationary ring on its nose so no run at all.

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 Grin.

Proudhon would probably post this one here.

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Grin
So to be serious 13-14 k is far more likely to happen than putin dying and russia and ukraine ending the conflict from now till mid December.

So I am betting that we drop lower than we are now.

The more you explain, the worse it gets.

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nope you are choking as this is a very short post from you

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Ok.. you got me cornered.



I must admit it.

my analysis is the fed is not fighting inflation by raising rates

they are not fighting inflation for the reasons i gave above.

they are printing more than 1 trillion dollars extra with the raises that are due.

Yes.. they are speaking out of both sides of their mouths..... and there is a bit of a battle to actually give benefits locally, and then punishing the rest of the world because 1) the rest of the world is already used to the dollar as the reserve currency and 2) the dollar milk-shake theory is well into play, and other currencies are going to be continuing to invest into the dollar more, relatively speaking, than they are into various foreign currencies, because the dollar is the least weak of the shitty currencies.

Even though all of these factors are at play, it is not obious that bitcoin is goin gto play along in an exact correlated way..

So even if bitcoin is correlated in the short term, there are likely going to continue to be periods in which bitcoin continues to break apart from various other asset classes by either NOT going down as much as the other asset classes or by having short periods of over performance.

And surely , bitcoin has one of the advantages of being a new and emergent asset class in its earliest of adoption phases, but it also has advantages in terms of being a superior asset class as compared with any other asset class currently in existence.

I am not denying the power of owning actual property, so long as your property rights are appreciated, but property has some disadvantages in terms of both not being very liquid and also having had been pumped for so many years by the dollar pumping... so in that sense various property assets have been way more effected by the ongoing existence of free debt than bitcoin, including that bitcoin has an advantage of being personally possessed and even obscured in regards to its location or even knowing the amount that any of us might own.

You and I are not working with different facts, Philip, but it continues to appear to me that you are overly willing to accept that the dollar is goingt to be able to suistain itself relative to bitcoin, and I continue to have a decent amount of skepticism regarding what appears to be your ongoing underinvestment in bitcoin, even though you seem to continue to make the same mistake of believing the fact that you mine bitcoin is an adequate amount of exposure that justifies you holding less bitcoin than what I believe that you should be holding.. even though your holding level continues to be in your complete discretion and you have admitted to having had underinvested into bitcoin in the past, but you are still defaulting to the same behaviors(mistakes) of your earlier years, and you are likely going to continue to get bitten in the ass by your ongoing tendencies to be scared of bitcoin when the price is down...and your ongoing tendencies to get caught up with the trend and then employing tactics that cause you to do the opposite of what  you should be doing... so when the BTC price goes down you should be buying and holding.. but instead you are buying too little and even engaging in some selling.. .. so sucks to be you.. and I don't want to even get into analyzing all of the ways that you are doing the opposite of what you should be doing.. because I do not know too many details beyond some of the general pieces of information that you have provided.

and.. sure of course in the end it is up to you.. even when you have a tendency to overly present your likely wrong thesis (and wrong risk mitigation) in these here parts.

that bull  has an inflationary ring on its nose so no run at all.
 Grin.
Proudhon would probably post this one here.


Channeling of proudhon is not a good sign.
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Is this what I had to see after long months of absence on WO?
Where is the golden time when you make a post, it took less than 30 seconds to see your posts is on the previous page. Everyone active and talking to each others.

It's been around 12 hours I made this post and in these 12 long hours I count only 28 to 30 posts made. A lot of them are auto post every hour from ChartBuddy. Where are all these people. I am guilty of not spending time here but it seems a lot of others lost their interest too?

It's sad. I feel bad. I will start doing my part again.

ChartBuddy uses the Richy_T tool.
No idea what is that and how to find such thing.
Any idea who can help to make a bot to post automated post like Charty?
Thanks brother.

Observing @ $19,520

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