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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 2 (2.9%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.5%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (2.9%)
$85K to $90K - 8 (11.8%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (17.6%)
$95K to $100K - 12 (17.6%)
>$100K - 31 (45.6%)
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October 18, 2022, 10:22:40 PM

Place your bet on what people would do once the trust for govt is low, and fiat is inflated as hell in recession. Where they'll put their money into?
We will see proper use of bitcoin when we will have a repeat of 2008.
Demand for Gold and Bitcoin is going to sky rocket.

Long term yes.

Next 6-12 months most likely no.

Study the fed rate raises done by bush leading up to the 2008 wipeout

March 2004 to July 2007

that is 3 years and 4 months before they reversed and they reversed too late





Interesting point. However I dont think that we really can compare what's happened in 2008 and the situation now. FED will most probably increase the rates of course, but for still 1 year and 3/4 more (at least?) ?

I don't think so.  Probably 2 more, maximum 3 and in a shorter time.

Regarding the timeframe, I see a little probability to extend to 8-12 months.. but more faster, like until Q1 2023.

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October 19, 2022, 01:18:09 AM

Place your bet on what people would do once the trust for govt is low, and fiat is inflated as hell in recession. Where they'll put their money into?
We will see proper use of bitcoin when we will have a repeat of 2008.
Demand for Gold and Bitcoin is going to sky rocket.

Long term yes.

Next 6-12 months most likely no.

Study the fed rate raises done by bush leading up to the 2008 wipeout

March 2004 to July 2007

that is 3 years and 4 months before they reversed and they reversed too late





Interesting point. However I dont think that we really can compare what's happened in 2008 and the situation now. FED will most probably increase the rates of course, but for still 1 year and 3/4 more (at least?) ?

I don't think so.  Probably 2 more, maximum 3 and in a shorter time.

Regarding the timeframe, I see a little probability to extend to 8-12 months.. but more faster, like until Q1 2023.



I see the rates baked in but nov 1-4 a 0.75
then dec 15-20 a 0.75
with feb 1-2 a 0.75

means 3.83 then 4.58 ending at 5.33 in feb of 2023

could end the ‘war’ on inflation followed by a crash and burn and money pump.

if we are lucky.
my fear is they may go longer then this.
they cut the housing market right off at the knees by these hard raises.
I have one friend that got a 2.5% loan and one more got 3%.
same loans are now over 7% housing market shut down asap .
btc dropped a lot when the housing market was cut down.




I am adding 675 th in btc miners the next month.

got good prices.
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Man of many skills

Except keeping his own blockchain from getting owned by a single miner who now has 70% control of it.

why hasnt the SEC gone after all the BSV influencers
Because it only takes one miner to out do what Craig Wright has done and not an entire government funded section dedicated to just securities it seems.


https://protos.com/craig-wrights-bsv-chain-has-been-captured-by-a-single-miner/
Stick to write up stories Craig!

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October 19, 2022, 03:05:47 AM

buddy be blocked by me.

nothing much happening for the moment in btc prices 19 k it is yet again.
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they cut the housing market right off at the knees by these hard raises.
I have one friend that got a 2.5% loan and one more got 3%.
same loans are now over 7% housing market shut down asap .

It is funny that even regular peeps who might seem to be relatively smart don't even realize why they should have been trying to lock in their housing interests rates in the last year... I mean if they really feel that they would have been able to get a decently priced house or that they realize some of the difficulties buying in the last year due to price, also..

Within the past year, I had a mid-20s friend tell me that he was pre-approved for something like 3-4% fixed interest rate loan, and I told him that was a great rate to lock in, if he was going to be buying anyhow, but he seemed bent upon some kind of a belief that interest rates would be coming down in the future - and he seemed to be suggesting that an ARM would be better.. and I attempted to make my point a few times to favor the Fixed rate.. especially if he would be able to get 3-4%.. and he continued to act like a fixed rate would not be a good thing.

There's ONLY so much any of us can do.

I was having another conversation with another friend in his late 50s, and he was telling me that he had subscribed to various services (3 of them, I believe) to help him to trade various aspects of index funds, and to give him various tips about trends and Elliot waves.. and he had been studying these trading ideas for about a year, so he could get in and out of various kinds of index funds and to be able to either go long or to go short, and we spent quite a bit of time going back and forth with our ideas, and of course I was trying to prioritize longer term thinking, but he seemed to be set upon how he could beat index funds by trading them, and he was a bit upset that he had spent so many years building up a retirement fund that had a lot of trading restrictions, so he had moved some of that value into accounts that allowed him to trade (a portion of it), and he also thought that he was deceived in terms of his employers 401k not allowing some company like Blackrock to come in and to trade funds for him, even if it might cost some fees, he believes his funds would have been better with higher fees and more active management from a company like Blackrock.

My late 50s friend is not dumb, but it seems that there could be a lot of problems in which he fucks around with trading index funds and depleting his various retirement funds rather than his presumptions that he will be able to build them. including that he had heard about longer waves and 100 year cycles from Ray Dalio, too... so there are some lower targets that he is aiming for... in terms of those market wide index funds.

There is only so much we can do, including our attempts to insert Bitcoin into the investment package.. when people think that they have better ways to hedge their investments, and neither my mid 20s friend nor my late 50s friend own any bitcoin at all... and they do not really seem interested in bitcoin, except to nod along when I suggest that bitcoin should be one of their investment hedges, even if ONLY 1%.
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October 19, 2022, 03:31:26 AM

Yep.

You cant be all in on anything even when you are older you still need some higher risk stuff whatever it may be.

my first choice is BTC for high risk.
second choice is D…
third choice is L..

then silver
then comes the safe stuff
real estate
government bond—— mostly my wife’s investment
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China's ban on cryptocurrencies seemed poised to wipe out the domestic industry. That's not quite how things played out. @lagerkranser talks with @Yueqi_Yang and @pingroma about the Chinese government's relationship with crypto. Source: Bloomberg Crypto

I don't understand the Chinese government's thoughts until now because they never liked cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin, so I'm still not sure that one day China will like cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin just to take advantage of the situation or a desire that is still buried in the government's mind
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You overestimate the majority of people in that they have the ability to recognize an opportunity and an alternative, and this is also evidenced by the fact that we have less than 5% of people in the world who have recognized Bitcoin from 2009 to today - so I will ask the question "will anything change by the end of the decade?"
This is supposed to be a geometric proportion.  I am not correct about the term but it's like, 1 to 2, 2 to 4, 4 to 8, 8 to 16 and so on. Considering in 2009 we had a start from 0 and now even this 5% is still a good kick.
Decentralize currency system in the current fiat may not take longer. The world now can see how it's bad to have only one dominant fiat currency. Adopting Crypto currency is not going to happen in the next few decade, that's what I think.


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I would like to be wrong, but most people behave like remote-controlled robots, just look at the crazy measures in the pandemic and how many people followed them without any question, even though today it is shown how pointless it all was. I would say that the demand for Bitcoin will increase, but not from ordinary people, but from big players who invest the most in the time when there is blood on the streets - and that is right now.
We are trained to follow from the ancient time. It's in our DNA.
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