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[notlist3d]

Its sad to see it all happening as i thought it would.  Where are you knight!!!

On a side note if you are seeking a suit against TH do not count on forums to get info to serve Amir.  Your lawyer hopefully (and normally) has someone who is able to get a lot better info.....  

The one i knew was not cheap.... but i would hope your lawyer is using someone.

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[btceic]

So is anybody still unconvinced that this is not a scam?

[gbx]

So is anybody still unconvinced that this is not a scam?

Well, it's a scam now by default.  Because people aren't getting what they paid for or their money back, period.

I don't think Amir had intentions to scam everyone involved from the beginning.  I still believe he was hoping to build a modestly lucrative business.  However, I think with every decision he made, he found himself further and further away from that business and closer and closer to being a scammer.

So is your question intent, or where we're at now?  Because intent, at this stage of the game is pointless to discuss.  Sure, I think he had good intentions going in, but now it's a scam by default.

I'm also convinced you have some personal fixation on proving to all of us that you were right.  Maybe this will help.

You were right.

Feel better?

[notlist3d]

So is anybody still unconvinced that this is not a scam?

Lol i was convinced when they could not put hardware together and missing deadlines within my days of refunds of papal.  They were salesmen with no r&d, production, prototyping, customer-service, and so much more.  They had to know when they could not meet first deadline and kept quiet, then released eventually a prototype hashing slow with hardware errors.

btceic i still give you huge credit taking crap, and always saying logical things about TH.  Some will say you were trolling, but honestly people i hope see now TH did not add up no matter what logic you used.

If they would have switched directions when hitting road bumps they could have made it.  But instead they were quiet.  And people vouched for them and some unfortunately took them for their word.  Knight where are you!!!!  

The following is my opinion and I'm not a lawyer and cannot prove or disapprove anything.  I am not passing this as liable/slander.  It is meant as only suggestion for thought (I make many stupid statements this could be one of them when coming up on it my mind was thinking about porn)... ok now that i have said that so i dont get my ass sued.   If you have a lawyer you might have them look into Knight, he verified chip shipments.  He i believe said he saw Amir log into 1 account and saw all the chip orders...... 20k i believe they never did purchase....  So if you can find Knight.... maybe you have something good there maybe not.  Food for thought.

[jamie10511]

A VERY BIG THANK YOU
FOLLOWED ADVICE & WORKED PERFECTLY

If you paid via PayPal and want a refund...  LISTEN UP.

If you did not open a dispute within the 45 day window and you call PayPal... They will (9/10 times) deny you any kind of refund and say it's impossible as after 45 days their terms of service says they are not able to provide a refund.  That statement is sort of true.   If there are exceptional circumstances, PayPal WILL give you a full refund.

I got a refund from PayPal, today, for every order I placed  (If you ordered any TerraHash boards through me - you have been refunded too).

Here's how:

Call PayPal.  Get the fraud/dispute department.  Tell them you understand you are outside the 45 day window.  Tell them about TerraHash.  Tell them you and a lot of people online have been scammed by TerraHash.  Explain what TerraHash is doing and how they ave taken hundreds of thousands from PayPal users. shipped nothing, and will not reply to any contact attempts.  Ask to open a claim even if it's outside the 45 day window.   They may close your claim automatically, siding with TerraHash.  Call them back!

Especially mention the high dollar value.  Every time I dropped the amount of dollars that TerraHash took via PayPal they go get a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

I talked to a guy in the fraud department named Aaron, employee ID 45731.   He and his supervisor got my money back from TerraHash and he told me today, that he will do his best to help anyone else who can't get their money back from TerraHash.

So, PayPal tells you no?  Call again, get Aaron on the phone, tell him your story.  



If you are still within the 45 day dispute window.  Filing a dispute now will get you an extra 20 days of guaranteed refundability if TH doesn't ship, if not even more.  With no downside.   So on your 44th day, file a dispute.



TerraHash/Amir: You tried to fuck me.  The tables have now turned.

[btceic]

Excellent news, thanks for replying....

A VERY BIG THANK YOU
FOLLOWED ADVICE & WORKED PERFECTLY

If you paid via PayPal and want a refund...  LISTEN UP.

If you did not open a dispute within the 45 day window and you call PayPal... They will (9/10 times) deny you any kind of refund and say it's impossible as after 45 days their terms of service says they are not able to provide a refund.  That statement is sort of true.   If there are exceptional circumstances, PayPal WILL give you a full refund.

I got a refund from PayPal, today, for every order I placed  (If you ordered any TerraHash boards through me - you have been refunded too).

Here's how:

Call PayPal.  Get the fraud/dispute department.  Tell them you understand you are outside the 45 day window.  Tell them about TerraHash.  Tell them you and a lot of people online have been scammed by TerraHash.  Explain what TerraHash is doing and how they ave taken hundreds of thousands from PayPal users. shipped nothing, and will not reply to any contact attempts.  Ask to open a claim even if it's outside the 45 day window.   They may close your claim automatically, siding with TerraHash.  Call them back!

Especially mention the high dollar value.  Every time I dropped the amount of dollars that TerraHash took via PayPal they go get a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

I talked to a guy in the fraud department named Aaron, employee ID 45731.   He and his supervisor got my money back from TerraHash and he told me today, that he will do his best to help anyone else who can't get their money back from TerraHash.

So, PayPal tells you no?  Call again, get Aaron on the phone, tell him your story.  



If you are still within the 45 day dispute window.  Filing a dispute now will get you an extra 20 days of guaranteed refundability if TH doesn't ship, if not even more.  With no downside.   So on your 44th day, file a dispute.



TerraHash/Amir: You tried to fuck me.  The tables have now turned.

[gbx]

A VERY BIG THANK YOU
FOLLOWED ADVICE & WORKED PERFECTLY

If you paid via PayPal and want a refund...  LISTEN UP.

If you did not open a dispute within the 45 day window and you call PayPal... They will (9/10 times) deny you any kind of refund and say it's impossible as after 45 days their terms of service says they are not able to provide a refund.  That statement is sort of true.   If there are exceptional circumstances, PayPal WILL give you a full refund.

I got a refund from PayPal, today, for every order I placed  (If you ordered any TerraHash boards through me - you have been refunded too).

Here's how:

Call PayPal.  Get the fraud/dispute department.  Tell them you understand you are outside the 45 day window.  Tell them about TerraHash.  Tell them you and a lot of people online have been scammed by TerraHash.  Explain what TerraHash is doing and how they ave taken hundreds of thousands from PayPal users. shipped nothing, and will not reply to any contact attempts.  Ask to open a claim even if it's outside the 45 day window.   They may close your claim automatically, siding with TerraHash.  Call them back!

Especially mention the high dollar value.  Every time I dropped the amount of dollars that TerraHash took via PayPal they go get a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

If they refuse your refund, call again.  Talk to someone else.  Ask to talk to a supervisor.

I talked to a guy in the fraud department named Aaron, employee ID 45731.   He and his supervisor got my money back from TerraHash and he told me today, that he will do his best to help anyone else who can't get their money back from TerraHash.

So, PayPal tells you no?  Call again, get Aaron on the phone, tell him your story.  



If you are still within the 45 day dispute window.  Filing a dispute now will get you an extra 20 days of guaranteed refundability if TH doesn't ship, if not even more.  With no downside.   So on your 44th day, file a dispute.



TerraHash/Amir: You tried to fuck me.  The tables have now turned.

That's good! I was also able to reverse my PayPal payment... through other avenues.  It wasn't easy, but it's possible.

I would keep trying folks... I know some of you are out some pretty significant amounts of cash.  The larger the number in red for PayPal, the more likely Amir will be held accountable.  He'll be washed up... finished... kaput.  PayPal's lawyers won't care about articles of Incorporation or any business format.  This is now a scam and PayPal, I'm sure, has more legal power in-house than any of us combined.

[Canna]

Only took the regular 10 day "wait for response from seller" window from PayPal, but I got my refund today and I started process well outside of 45 day window.  While all these bullshit ASIC manufacturing companies come off looking like scam artists, I'm gonna give props to PayPal for refunding my TH and BFL orders.

Best of luck to those that paid via BTC or wire, hope you get yours back too eventually.

[btceic]

A "Real Man" would be able to talk with their enemy instead of hide behind a keyboard, they wouldn't feel the need to come on here to beg and plead about receiving some sort of self serving apology.

A "Real Man" doesn't consider people that disagree with them their enemy or resort to ad hominem attacks, no one here is begging and or pleading about anything, what we are attempting to do is drive off the scamsters, the hucksters from what could be the biggest thing since the internet or email or the internal combustion engine....

For me, it makes me feel like I am doing the right thing for the community, but have I ever once asked for a "Badge", or self nominated myself or chest beat like a low land gorilla?

What I will do however is continue to ask questions, questions that you refuse to acknowledge refute what you are saying and just continue on as if the evidence was not shown to you.

These questions are what I bring to this community, to this grand experiment that we have chosen to be a part of... therefore it is my duty, my obligation to ask these questions to those that decide to pray upon the weak, the naive, the blinded by greed and root out those that may try and lead others astray.

I choose not to skype with you not because I am hiding or ashamed of anything but rather the simple fact that nothing good could come of it, either way no matter what is said by us "trolls" you will continue to twist and squirm your way into whatever you want to believe.... you sir have taken the "red pill" as it were.

Everyone can look back and know the outcome might be wrong in the end but during the process there might not have been anything wrong.

Unfortunately we cannot look back and review what you have said because you deleted, every single one of your posts related to TerraHash (and not just in this thread). (makes me wonder just how many other posts you have deleted...)

Not a single one of us wants to see Terrahash dissolve or go bankrupt but apparently you guys did and got your wish.

None of us wants to see anything related to bitcoin go bankrupt or dissolve, it is a true shame that this is what has come of it, if terrahash was real all they had to do was open up to us and we would have been right behind them doing what we can to make things work.

No one ever knew Terrahash was planning on doing this,

A couple of us had a pretty good idea way back in June that this might happen, have you not been paying attention?

we all knew and I've said this before that they were incompetent and were not going to be able to get us the Avalon Gen 1.....

You have never said that terrahash is incompetent, please show proof.

[btceic]

Only took the regular 10 day "wait for response from seller" window from PayPal, but I got my refund today and I started process well outside of 45 day window.  While all these bullshit ASIC manufacturing companies come off looking like scam artists, I'm gonna give props to PayPal for refunding my TH and BFL orders.

Best of luck to those that paid via BTC or wire, hope you get yours back too eventually.

Congrats!


For all of the others out there continue to call your bank, your credit card companies, paypal to get your money back. It can and has been done, don't wait for a lawsuit by anybody else. Take your destiny in your own hands and make this happen!

[Bargraphics]

Please stop pestering me btceic.

Unless you want to meetup in Deerfield for some lunch I'm done with your crazy tin-foil hat conspiracy theories on here.

We can bring the kids and make it a play date.

[gbx]

I choose not to skype with you not because I am hiding or ashamed of anything but rather the simple fact that nothing good could come of it, either way no matter what is said by us "trolls" you will continue to twist and squirm your way into whatever you want to believe.... you sir have taken the "red pill" as it were.

Good god btceic.  Quit before the troll label really sticks.

You were right.  Now STFU.  Move on... capisce?

[knightlife999]

So is anybody still unconvinced that this is not a scam?

Lol i was convinced when they could not put hardware together and missing deadlines within my days of refunds of papal.  They were salesmen with no r&d, production, prototyping, customer-service, and so much more.  They had to know when they could not meet first deadline and kept quiet, then released eventually a prototype hashing slow with hardware errors.

btceic i still give you huge credit taking crap, and always saying logical things about TH.  Some will say you were trolling, but honestly people i hope see now TH did not add up no matter what logic you used.

If they would have switched directions when hitting road bumps they could have made it.  But instead they were quiet.  And people vouched for them and some unfortunately took them for their word.  Knight where are you!!!!  

The following is my opinion and I'm not a lawyer and cannot prove or disapprove anything.  I am not passing this as liable/slander.  It is meant as only suggestion for thought (I make many stupid statements this could be one of them when coming up on it my mind was thinking about porn)... ok now that i have said that so i dont get my ass sued.   If you have a lawyer you might have them look into Knight, he verified chip shipments.  He i believe said he saw Amir log into 1 account and saw all the chip orders...... 20k i believe they never did purchase....  So if you can find Knight.... maybe you have something good there maybe not.  Food for thought.

Notlist.... You really should lay off of the porn. What an idiot. Number one: TERRAHASH PURCHASED 40K CHIPS! THE ADDITIONAL 20K THEY CLAIMED TO HAVE BOUGHT, BUT DID NOT, WAS IN ADDITION TO THE 40K!

I verified it and documented it. Everything I did was in good faith. I am not liable for anything in this debacle you idiot.
In addition, I changed my feelings about Terrahash when it became apparent that they were not following through with their promises in early September. In the past month, you have quoted me from July and August, which is foolish. Isn't anyone entitled to change their opinion? Oh, not when you are a dealing with a child living in their parent's basement. Things have changed with Terrahash, that is clear. I made it clear that I was not happy with them. I even advised the board against trusting in any "Gen2" avalon crap. I'm not liable for anything. I didn't tell you to make your purchase back in June. I asked everyone to think clearly and not refund back in late July/Early August. During that time frame, I thought TH was legitimate, and I think they were working in good faith during that time. I changed my mind when TH did not show any logical business sense when Bitsyncom failed to deliver. I still don't think that TH was a scam. They have made bad business decisions and are becoming a scam by default. They could have handled this differently and possibly come out ahead, but they did not. So here we are..
If TH refunds 50% of our purchases, that will verify that they got their 40K chips orders refunded from Bitsyncom. They are claiming to refund all of us with BTC, which would indicate that they are planning on getting a lot of BTC. 3128 BTC is worth $437,900 at the moment. That would certainly get close to refunding 50% of the orders.

I have dozens of close friends that are judges, and more contacts in law than you can fathom. It's my background. Advising people here to send their lawyers after me would be an exercise in futility and would waste their money. I clearly was acting in good faith when I reported what I found out by visiting TH. I did not gain anything from my trips. In regards to my "SPECIAL DEAL TO PICK UP MY BOARDS AT THEIR OFFICE WHEN READY", that was a delivery option when we bought our boards! I live 3 hours away and figured I could save money by picking them up. It was an option you could select when making a purchase. Not some special arrangement I made with them behind the scenes. You are now the first person I am placing on Ignore. What a waste of oxygen...

Bar has things well in hand in this thread. He and I are in discussions outside the board. I am working to recoup my losses. Staying away from this thread helps my blood pressure.

[MinermanNC]

So is anybody still unconvinced that this is not a scam?

Lol i was convinced when they could not put hardware together and missing deadlines within my days of refunds of papal.  They were salesmen with no r&d, production, prototyping, customer-service, and so much more.  They had to know when they could not meet first deadline and kept quiet, then released eventually a prototype hashing slow with hardware errors.

btceic i still give you huge credit taking crap, and always saying logical things about TH.  Some will say you were trolling, but honestly people i hope see now TH did not add up no matter what logic you used.

If they would have switched directions when hitting road bumps they could have made it.  But instead they were quiet.  And people vouched for them and some unfortunately took them for their word.  Knight where are you!!!!  

The following is my opinion and I'm not a lawyer and cannot prove or disapprove anything.  I am not passing this as liable/slander.  It is meant as only suggestion for thought (I make many stupid statements this could be one of them when coming up on it my mind was thinking about porn)... ok now that i have said that so i dont get my ass sued.   If you have a lawyer you might have them look into Knight, he verified chip shipments.  He i believe said he saw Amir log into 1 account and saw all the chip orders...... 20k i believe they never did purchase....  So if you can find Knight.... maybe you have something good there maybe not.  Food for thought.

Notlist.... You really should lay off of the porn. What an idiot. Number one: TERRAHASH PURCHASED 40K CHIPS! THE ADDITIONAL 20K THEY CLAIMED TO HAVE BOUGHT, BUT DID NOT, WAS IN ADDITION TO THE 40K!

I verified it and documented it. Everything I did was in good faith. I am not liable for anything in this debacle you idiot.
In addition, I changed my feelings about Terrahash when it became apparent that they were not following through with their promises in early September. In the past month, you have quoted me from July and August, which is foolish. Isn't anyone entitled to change their opinion? Oh, not when you are a dealing with a child living in their parent's basement. Things have changed with Terrahash, that is clear. I made it clear that I was not happy with them. I even advised the board against trusting in any "Gen2" avalon crap. I'm not liable for anything. I didn't tell you to make your purchase back in June. I asked everyone to think clearly and not refund back in late July/Early August. During that time frame, I thought TH was legitimate, and I think they were working in good faith during that time. I changed my mind when TH did not show any logical business sense when Bitsyncom failed to deliver. I still don't think that TH was a scam. They have made bad business decisions and are becoming a scam by default. They could have handled this differently and possibly come out ahead, but they did not. So here we are..

I have dozens of close friends that are judges, and more contacts in law than you can fathom. It's my background. Advising people here to send their lawyers after me would be an exercise in futility and would waste their money. I clearly was acting in good faith when I reported what I found out by visiting TH. I did not gain anything from my trips. In regards to my "SPECIAL DEAL TO PICK UP MY BOARDS AT THEIR OFFICE WHEN READY", that was a delivery option when we bought our boards! I live 3 hours away and figured I could save money by picking them up. It was an option you could select when making a purchase. Not some special arrangement I made with them behind the scenes. You are now the first person I am placing on Ignore. What a waste of oxygen...

Bar has things well in hand in this thread. He and I are in discussions outside the board. I am working to recoup my losses. Staying away from this thread helps my blood pressure.

Hey KL,,, hows it going,,,I have pretty much backed out of this thread other than to read in here and there, but don't sweat it, I for one believe and know you were acting in good faith in this thread,,,,plain and simple. I wish you lots of luck in your efforts to retrieve your investments.....I held on in hopes of seeing TH come through, even hoped for a miracle when it started to look bad,,,,but got my chargebacks before shit really hit the fan. Take care if I dont see you in the forums, but some how I feel I will again,,,,,,,early on I know i had my doubts about you, but you changed that opinion long ago,,,take care!
MMNC

[knightlife999]

Thanks MMNC! You're a class act my friend. Much appreciated. 

[atomicchaos]

I also believe Knight acted in good faith, and have stated it a few times recently. Bar, just has a personality disorder and feels he should be the guy that protects what he believes in at all costs. His pocket paid.

I also wish Knight the best, and hope he can use some of his contacts to help reclaim some money.

If Bar loses? That's the one person I wouldn't mind losing.. Karma?

P.S. - Hopefully nobody was in Labcoin, that "scam" broke on Reddit, should be interesting watching that unfold.

[LostDutchman]

"Karma"?

It amazes me how otherwise perfectly intelligent and rational people ascribe to this superstition.

This matter aside, here is a case in point:

Christianity:

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

My $.02.

[gbx]

My $.02.

You just wasted $.02

How much are you out on this misadventure, Dutchman?

[atomicchaos]

"Karma"?

It amazes me how otherwise perfectly intelligent and rational people ascribe to this superstition.

This matter aside, here is a case in point:

Christianity:

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

My $.02.

You apparently missed Bargraphic's post about Karma, which was what I was referring to.   Nonetheless, a welcome change in direction.

[LostDutchman]

My $.02.

You just wasted $.02

How much are you out on this misadventure, Dutchman?

I haven't wasted anything.

I am not out one thin dime because I know a bad deal when I see one and was smart enough to not buy in.

I have been to two County Fairs and a Goat Ropin'.

To those of you who do not understand the expression, it means that I have been around........ a lot; much of my being around before many of you were born.

I saw this one coming and now all the poor folks who invested in Cloudhashing are equally as fucked because Cloudhashing was dependent on Terrahash to supply them with ASIC equipment.

All that money supposed to go to mining equipment; which mining equipment ain't there...............

Around a hundred grand or so, so Cloushashing says................

Customer's money paid for mining ain't mining, is it?

No "dividends" there, eh?

Over my head........................................................................... ............



My $.02