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[btceic]

I think the bigger issue right now is TH canceling the orders with Avalon UNLESS we can get them to upgrade the order to Gen2 for same cost.
At the same time we have no knowledge of what Gen2 will actually be and when it will be delivered.
Avalon should really just convert all existing orders to Gen2 unless buyers request otherwise.

Blah blah blah.. my head is all hurting from this BTC thing, lol.

Can you imagine how Terrahash feels? The only thing holding them back from completing their K64 is BKKs absence (Even though they paid him for his service)

They are not privileged to information that we are not regarding Avalon Chips. They are trying to figure out what the best scenario is as well and Yifu/Trolling Customers & NON-Customers/BKK are not making it easy which is why I put together a thread for listing all of the solutions and finding out what customers want.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=292046.0

Bar, how could you possibly know for a fact what it is that is holding TerraHash / Amir back? Do you speak to them on the phone, sms, email? If not then are you an authorised spokesperson for them? If you are not an authorised spokesperson nor in communication with them, then what you are saying is pure conjecture.

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[btceic]

Your move bar / terrahash / amir, what say you!

Can the remaining developers chime in and settle a debate?
Does anybody have a working 16 chip klondike running at 333*16?

To clarify on this, it would be a 16 chip Klondike at 282*16 (4.5GH as Advertised) with low HW Errors.

Also if whoever did this, did so using Terrahash's code.

You are using 260pF for C274 right?

In order to hash with 16 chips, you need to make the following modifications in klondike.c, from line 159:

Code:

    Status.ChipCount = 16;
    
    // pre-calc nonce range values
    BankSize = (Status.ChipCount+1)/2;
    Status.MaxCount = WORK_TICKS / BankSize / 2;
    NonceRanges[0] = 0;
    for(BYTE x = 1; x < BankSize; x++)
        NonceRanges[x] = NonceRanges[x-1] + BankRanges[BankSize-1];

If you look at that code, you see, that only 8 nonce ranges are defined.
How could this work with 16 chips? Any idea?
Also, the NonceRanges were defined as NonceRanges[8].
And for everyone here, fully populated board with 16 chips IS NOT WORKING with those firmware modifications that Terrahash posted above.

[AtomSea]

Terrahash,

Thank you for your work.
I want to continue to support an open-sourced project, but to make an informed decision on how to proceed with my multiple orders I need more data:

1. What is the hashrate of the gen 2 Avalon chip?

2. When can they ship?

3. When would you be able to ship the finished units to us?

4. Do you consider your k16 solution stable and a solid fix for production?
Your video appears to show (I could be wrong) only a 2 gig machine? Implying you only solved it for 8 chips?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOZ22GfUdzs
Can you address this?

5. Can you show a working model of a k64?

6. What will be the price of a k16 & a k64 with 55nm Avalon chips?

7. If the 110nm chips are delivered to you while we are waiting for these vital questions to be answered, will we be subject to taking current 110nm orders with no other options?


Thank you for your time & work, it is much appreciated


Peace.

[knightlife999]

Hi Amir.

What is the order status of your chips?

+1

Knight, any chance you'd be in the bay area to checkin on this Amir character?

I'm looking at options going forward kooks.

Personally I just want my boards. I don't want any gen2 from Bitsyncom. Steamboat announced in an update letter to buyers that Yifu said the gen2 chips most likely will not ship until November at the earliest. Doesn't build much confidence there.

I'll make some attempts to contact Amir today. If I am unable to contact him, I will make another visit to their office by next week. Things are very busy for me at work and I don't have time to stop by today. 

[btceic]

Hi Amir.

What is the order status of your chips?

+1

Knight, any chance you'd be in the bay area to checkin on this Amir character?

I'm looking at options going forward kooks.

Personally I just want my boards. I don't want any gen2 from Bitsyncom. Steamboat announced in an update letter to buyers that Yifu said the gen2 chips most likely will not ship until November at the earliest. Doesn't build much confidence there.

I'll make some attempts to contact Amir today. If I am unable to contact him, I will make another visit to their office by next week. Things are very busy for me at work and I don't have time to stop by today. 

knightlife, didnt you mention you were a police officer? Or am I thinking of someone else? If so can you call in a favor to hunt these guys down?

[zurg]

Hi Amir.

What is the order status of your chips?

+1

Knight, any chance you'd be in the bay area to checkin on this Amir character?

I'm looking at options going forward kooks.

Personally I just want my boards. I don't want any gen2 from Bitsyncom. Steamboat announced in an update letter to buyers that Yifu said the gen2 chips most likely will not ship until November at the earliest. Doesn't build much confidence there.

I'll make some attempts to contact Amir today. If I am unable to contact him, I will make another visit to their office by next week. Things are very busy for me at work and I don't have time to stop by today. 

knightlife, didnt you mention you were a police officer? Or am I thinking of someone else? If so can you call in a favor to hunt these guys down?

Yeah,  call in the SWAT. 

[Bitoy]

Hi Amir.

What is the order status of your chips?

+1.

Fyi sebastianju and zefir group buy is shipping within 12 hours.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187660.msg3130600#msg3130600

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg3132181#msg3132181

[zurg]

Hi Amir.

What is the order status of your chips?

+1.

Fyi sebastianju and zefir group buy is shipping within 12 hours.

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Don't forget to add 4 months in customs.

[syncer]

@Terrahash,

My friend is able to meet you at your office tomorrow (Thursday the 12th) at 9:00am or Saturday the 14th between 9:00am - 12:00pm.

Please verify what if any of these times work for you. If none work please specify what times do work for you and I'm sure he will try to work something out.

He might also be able to help with the firmware issue as he is very knowledgeable in that area.

Just like how you try work it out.
I asked several times about hosting, and not received any answers about hosting.
It will be just perfect to know if there will be that option and what already done or not done.
if we talk about hosting and it's not clear how it will be, maybe we should make some internal pool, i offered help
but not got any response.

If your friend can ask about this too will be just perfect.

Thanks!

[btceic]

2 days left TerraHash / Amir, you have had 12 days to deliver.

Where is Terrahash? They are not responding to emails, tickets, voice call (mail box still not setup).
They are obviously monitoring the forum though.

Let it be known that Terrahash has my chips today. So the two weeks clock starts now.
I need to know what size and spec of fan to buy but I can't find the info as terrahash is not responding to anything.

Looks like someone called TH's bluff.
Now we will see...

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[Shimple]

2 days left TerraHash / Amir, you have had 12 days to deliver.

Where is Terrahash? They are not responding to emails, tickets, voice call (mail box still not setup).
They are obviously monitoring the forum though.

Let it be known that Terrahash has my chips today. So the two weeks clock starts now.
I need to know what size and spec of fan to buy but I can't find the info as terrahash is not responding to anything.

Looks like someone called TH's bluff.
Now we will see...

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I am very doubtful that they will deliver. Im betting they took the chips and your never getting those back :/

[Silvas]

I think the bigger issue right now is TH canceling the orders with Avalon UNLESS we can get them to upgrade the order to Gen2 for same cost.
At the same time we have no knowledge of what Gen2 will actually be and when it will be delivered.
Avalon should really just convert all existing orders to Gen2 unless buyers request otherwise.

Blah blah blah.. my head is all hurting from this BTC thing, lol.

Can you imagine how Terrahash feels? The only thing holding them back from completing their K64 is BKKs absence (Even though they paid him for his service)

They are not privileged to information that we are not regarding Avalon Chips. They are trying to figure out what the best scenario is as well and Yifu/Trolling Customers & NON-Customers/BKK are not making it easy which is why I put together a thread for listing all of the solutions and finding out what customers want.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=292046.0

Yeah, I know they are in a bad position. Wouldn't want to be them right now. Cant really blame them yet as Step #1 was the chips, then if they couldn't send the product in Step #2 then they would deserve what's coming to them.
Lack of communication.., yeah they are probably thee worst offenders.

I noticed absence of BKK, hmmm

Trusting Yifu had been out the window for a long time. lol

Citation?

The ONLY thing I've seen as far as them paying BKK was that they said they would pay him a small licensing fee for each board they made and sold, because he was doing the project open hw and open source and deserved to be compensated.
As far as whether they HAVE paid him anything, I haven't seen anything to that effect.  My understanding was that they would pay him after they had boards made, assembled, working, and going out to customers.

If that's the case, then while it sucks that he's disappeared, remember this - he is not demanding any fees for using his design, he is not locking down the schems or FW in any way to stop people from using his design even if they don't pay him, he is doing this in his free time (I'm sure he has a life of his own, and somewhat recent posts indicated he was away a lot due to floors being done in his place) and doing it all open for the community.  He has said he would appreciate being compensated by those who use his design, but hasn't made it a condition of using his design.

Kinda hard to go putting a whole lot of blame on him in this case.  He's doing it essentially 'for free' except for what people choose to give him if they use his design.

[Axion_Zen]

Bkk also took orders for boards and programmed pic etc.. so he has many customers himself..not just donations and fees. He posted nearly everyday and then disappeared for last 2 weeks with no notice..plenty to blame

[syncer]

As far as whether they HAVE paid him anything, I haven't seen anything to that effect.  My understanding was that they would pay him after they had boards made, assembled, working, and going out to customers.

Dont know how they made that
but on this thread you will find BKK post with thanks to TH
well they paid to him at least something for sure

[Silvas]

Bkk also took orders for boards and programmed pic etc.. so he has many customers himself..not just donations and fees.

Ok, point conceded on that.  And those people would have every right to blame him if he doesn't deliver.  TH and TH customers, however, really don't unless TH has already paid him which I don't believe they have.

[Axion_Zen]

Bkk also took orders for boards and programmed pic etc.. so he has many customers himself..not just donations and fees.

Ok, point conceded on that.  And those people would have every right to blame him if he doesn't deliver.  TH and TH customers, however, really don't unless TH has already paid him which I don't believe they have.

they paid him a substantial amount per bkk post in this thread.

[syncer]

As far as whether they HAVE paid him anything, I haven't seen anything to that effect.  My understanding was that they would pay him after they had boards made, assembled, working, and going out to customers.

Dont know how they made that
but on this thread you will find BKK post with thanks to TH
well they paid to him at least something for sure

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.msg2874329#msg2874329

[gbx]

Bkk also took orders for boards and programmed pic etc.. so he has many customers himself..not just donations and fees. He posted nearly everyday and then disappeared for last 2 weeks with no notice..plenty to blame

His last post explained he had some remodeling going on in his house....  I'm sure if chips arrive, work will be completed.  It's retarded to think that a 99 percent project is suddenly abandoned.

Just stop with all the FUD.  There's no chips yet, unless you've heard otherwise.  So the project is constrained...  I'm sure he's feeling a little defeated too having put all this work into board design to have the chip fairy not deliver anything to your door.

[Silvas]

Bkk also took orders for boards and programmed pic etc.. so he has many customers himself..not just donations and fees.

Ok, point conceded on that.  And those people would have every right to blame him if he doesn't deliver.  TH and TH customers, however, really don't unless TH has already paid him which I don't believe they have.

they paid him a substantial amount per bkk post in this thread.

Ok, then I stand corrected.
That sucks then, and hopefully he comes back and gets it finished soon.  I guess at this point I'm just weary of the whole goddamn mess.
Too many people making commitments (in the form of posts saying what they're going to do for people/their customers/their prospective customers) and then not holding up to those commitments.

Bitsyncom fucked everyone with chip delivery
BKK has apparently gone AWOL for whatever reason that only he probably knows
who knows how many other companies or group orders have either failed to deliver, whether their fault or not, with varying levels of support or lack thereof to their customers
TH has made quite a few commitments that they didn't hold up to; regardless of whether they *had* to or not, once they say they're going to they should
examples - after orders went live posting that they would let everyone know where they stood in line for orders and *let them decide whether to keep or cancel their order*, which they then never did
saying they'd post info or pics or videos of various things by certain times and not doing it
saying they're going to be better at CS and still not responding to tickets

I'm sure they have their troubles, and imo some of that is their own doing through their own missteps and misguided decisions.  Some of that is not, and is 110% the blame of Bitsyncom.  
It's just really disheartening to see the situation as it is right now; I perceive it as every 'businessperson' just trying to get whatever gains they can, even if it's at the expense of others.  It makes it hard to trust anything in the Bitcoin mining hardware arena right now.

[notlist3d]

Bkk also took orders for boards and programmed pic etc.. so he has many customers himself..not just donations and fees.

Ok, point conceded on that.  And those people would have every right to blame him if he doesn't deliver.  TH and TH customers, however, really don't unless TH has already paid him which I don't believe they have.

they paid him a substantial amount per bkk post in this thread.

It's just really disheartening to see the situation as it is right now; I perceive it as every 'businessperson' just trying to get whatever gains they can, even if it's at the expense of others.  It makes it hard to trust anything in the Bitcoin mining hardware arena right now.

I am worried with TH being a Inc. How they want 3 months that is quite a bit of cash I'm guessing of overhead. 

The chances of them changing their customer service and other things is very small.  If you wait on refunds you are counting on them being a successful hosting company.  And if they are running low on cash how are they buying this hardware (they only require 25 percent reservation fee).  And again them buying hardware from another company and just hosting shows they done even trust their own production.