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[syncer]

Maybe finally officially mark TH as scam?  Lock thread.

ooooh, do I get a badge now!

Found one for you

LOL!
Bar you made my day, because i´m almost crying now 

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[Shimple]

I am from Europe and I paid in Bitcoin - I am willing to contribute to the lawyer's payment, provided he can do something for me too and that he accepts as a payment a percentage of my paid capital to TH (10% of 3000$), in case he successfully claims it from them.

I'd like to join. Count me in!

Enough of this shit

Enough of what shit?

[wallydz]

I am from Europe and I paid in Bitcoin - I am willing to contribute to the lawyer's payment, provided he can do something for me too and that he accepts as a payment a percentage of my paid capital to TH (10% of 3000$), in case he successfully claims it from them.

I'd like to join. Count me in!

Count me In also my order is 8200 usd value

[zurg]

I got $1.8k in.

[bitcoin carpenter]

If there is no response from TH to my refund ticket by the end of the week I am in I have $9600 on order

[Derica]

On my paypal order, the paypal account is listed as: amir@terrahash.com.  

this would imply that the funds went to Amir's paypal account rather than a corporate account.    This would be comingling corporate funds with private funds.  I believe that the corporate veil can be pierced if there is comingling of funds in this manner.

[Derica]

If you can't get a refund any other way, you might consider small claims court, which is specifically designed for problems like this where the $ amount is <$10,000.

In most states, you don't need a lawyer.  In fact, in many states you can't use a lawyer.  Also, as a buyer of a product, you can file in the state where you purchased.  In other words, you don't need to file in the state where the seller is located.  

The process is fairly straight forward.  1) Send a letter of intent to the seller.  2) File with the small claims court.  3) Serve the party you are suing.  4) Collect your Evidence. (Sales contract, order status, etc)  5) Go to the court hearing.    This is all do-it-yourself.  You don't need to pay $500 per hour to an attorney. 

If the party you are suing fails to show at the hearing, then you may win by default.  This works well for parties that just don't bother to respond to their customers because the lack of response works in favor of the customer in this instance.

[bitcoin carpenter]

any way to do this if you live outside US..
I will probably just go talk to a few lawyer friends later this week, to see how this works between canada and the US

[bitcoin carpenter]

truth is, although Im worried about my investment, Im worried about the founders of TH as well.  you can all be as cold about money as you want, but there is probably equal chance that this lack of communication could have been caused by personal tragedy

[Axion_Zen]

How long did it take for everyone to get refunded after the 10 day wait for paypal claims?

[btceic]

How long did it take for everyone to get refunded after the 10 day wait for paypal claims?

For me it was the same day

[Shimple]

If you can't get a refund any other way, you might consider small claims court, which is specifically designed for problems like this where the $ amount is <$10,000.

In most states, you don't need a lawyer.  In fact, in many states you can't use a lawyer.  Also, as a buyer of a product, you can file in the state where you purchased.  In other words, you don't need to file in the state where the seller is located.  

The process is fairly straight forward.  1) Send a letter of intent to the seller.  2) File with the small claims court.  3) Serve the party you are suing.  4) Collect your Evidence. (Sales contract, order status, etc)  5) Go to the court hearing.    This is all do-it-yourself.  You don't need to pay $500 per hour to an attorney. 

If the party you are suing fails to show at the hearing, then you may win by default.  This works well for parties that just don't bother to respond to their customers because the lack of response works in favor of the customer in this instance.

Can I do this if I live in Canada? Plus, if BBB can't reach them what guarantee do we have that we will get our money back this way?

[Micky25]

then you may win by default.  

and what happens then?

[xyzzy099]

truth is, although Im worried about my investment, Im worried about the founders of TH as well.  you can all be as cold about money as you want, but there is probably equal chance that this lack of communication could have been caused by personal tragedy

Most likely the same personal economic tragedy that is affecting most of the people in this thread...

[Bitcoinorama]

truth is, although Im worried about my investment, Im worried about the founders of TH as well.  you can all be as cold about money as you want, but there is probably equal chance that this lack of communication could have been caused by personal tragedy

Most likely the same personal economic tragedy that is affecting most of the people in this thread...

Yifu.

[Flying Hellfish]

On my paypal order, the paypal account is listed as: amir@terrahash.com.  

this would imply that the funds went to Amir's paypal account rather than a corporate account.    This would be comingling corporate funds with private funds.  I believe that the corporate veil can be pierced if there is comingling of funds in this manner.

The company was quite likely under capitalized which will probably make piercing the corporate veil significantly easier.  I believe he has unknowingly (or perhaps with full knowledge) opened up personal liability by under capitalizing the Llc.

I have said this many times, using customer pre-order money to fund a start up is EXTREMELY risky and if the shit hits the fan, some of these folks are going to be in a bad spot.

[syncer]

truth is, although Im worried about my investment, Im worried about the founders of TH as well.  you can all be as cold about money as you want, but there is probably equal chance that this lack of communication could have been caused by personal tragedy

Very possible, and understandable.
But not really good time and reason to keep silence.

[Shimple]

I've been actively trying to reach out to Terrahash in all of the public ways (and some not so public which I'm sure they wouldn't want me to release on these boards).

If I don't get a response from them soon with what is going on then they are opening themselves up for a lot more trouble than I think they would like.

Please PM me your Skype so I can get in contact with you. I would like to give you a call this Monday and just chat some things trough? If you have time that it, it would be much appreciated.

I am really grateful for your efforts in helping us all here. Even though some might not notice, I really appreciate your work and efforts!

Please PM me with your Skype name

[hchc]

Don't forgot on top of the all the customer payment there are also chips that customer shipped them (like mine) that they are running with.
And don't give me crap about personal accident etc. AFAIK there are two person Justin & Amir, maybe coincidentally  they are both in a car or plane accident? If so I haven't heard anything  in the ne

[newguy05]

truth is, although Im worried about my investment, Im worried about the founders of TH as well.  you can all be as cold about money as you want, but there is probably equal chance that this lack of communication could have been caused by personal tragedy

Most likely the same personal economic tragedy that is affecting most of the people in this thread...

you guys are all a bunch of fucking idiots if you believe that, TH pulled at least half a mil $ out of bitcoin/wire payments alone. What have they actually used the money for? a couple steel boxes, handful of half working boards, oh and a few boxes of resistors/wires that cost pennies.  They never invested this money in anything, it doesnt take a genius to figure this out, and if you are really that dense just look at the chips that got sent in - if they were really ready just missing the avalon shipment, those chips should be turned around in days instead of silence.  How else would they expect to make 40k chips worth of orders.

they scammed your money and is not giving it back, all the bullshit about hosting and refund after 3 month etc.. is exactly that...bs.

Like watching a train wreck, i just cant turn away.  Are people really this fucking stupid, if you are out of 4 figures i would be filing for legal action weeks ago.