[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees

[tekmobile]

If I have BTC, after Segwit2x, I will have BTC + Segwit2x-BTC? Two sets of coins? I mean, like what happened with BCH?

Wrong if you have BTC you will have both Bitcoin Gold and Segwit2x (3 Sets of coins providing both forks happen and gain value and support)

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[tekmobile]

If I have BTC, after Segwit2x, I will have BTC + Segwit2x-BTC? Two sets of coins? I mean, like what happened with BCH?

Wrong if you have BTC you will have both Bitcoin Gold and Segwit2x (3 Sets of coins providing both forks happen and gain value and support)

JESUS... WILL THE REAL BITCOIN, PLEASE STAND UP!??

LOL... I forgotten all about Bitcoin Gold... this is just silly!!!

EDIT: I reckon, same procedure as with BCH? Have the BTC in a private wallet before that date?

Im still sceptical of both though for different reasons

Bitcoin Gold
I support what this stands for but don't know if they have found a developer to make the required changes its already been delayed once but if the promises remain true it has the potential to be one of the most profitable GPU mined coins

Segwit2x
This does not seem to have very much community support apart from a small group and will be launching with the same difficulty as BTC with no failsafe mechanism for lack of mining power the devs seem to expect the 95% of miners to uphold the NYA and to become the majority chain but if the users won't buy the coins there is no incentive for the miners and it may just fizzle and die within the first difficulty adjustment period

Bcash was different the miners were the ones backing it and built in a failsafe will garzik mine this if no others miners will support for such a loss.



And yes keep your BTC in a wallet you own the private key for or the seed personally mine are on a TREZOR

[tekmobile]

^

Thank you! I use Electrum myself. Kind'a like it.

I will sell both BTG and BTCx2. I just want the free money. *lol* I wonder what happens with BCH price at that time.

If S2X survives be careful splitting there is only optional replay protection and its clumbersome

There is an excellent article from jimmysong on this here
https://bitcointechtalk.com/how-segwit2x-replay-protection-works-1a5e41767103

Here is the important bit

What do I need to do to split my coins after the hard fork?

You will want to move your Legacy coins first to new addresses (your Legacy wallet), but each of these transactions will have to send a small amount to 3Bit1xA4apyzgmFNT2k8Pvnd6zb6TnwcTi. If you don’t care much about privacy, you can make one giant transaction that sends all your current bitcoins to another address or set of addresses. Just make sure a small amount is also sent to 3Bit1xA4apyzgmFNT2k8Pvnd6zb6TnwcTi in the same transaction.
After that, you can send your 2x coins to different addresses and that would be your 2x wallet.

[tekmobile]

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Thank you! I use Electrum myself. Kind'a like it.

I will sell both BTG and BTCx2. I just want the free money. *lol* I wonder what happens with BCH price at that time.

If S2X survives be careful splitting there is only optional replay protection and its clumbersome

There is an excellent article from jimmysong on this here
https://bitcointechtalk.com/how-segwit2x-replay-protection-works-1a5e41767103

Here is the important bit

What do I need to do to split my coins after the hard fork?

You will want to move your Legacy coins first to new addresses (your Legacy wallet), but each of these transactions will have to send a small amount to 3Bit1xA4apyzgmFNT2k8Pvnd6zb6TnwcTi. If you don’t care much about privacy, you can make one giant transaction that sends all your current bitcoins to another address or set of addresses. Just make sure a small amount is also sent to 3Bit1xA4apyzgmFNT2k8Pvnd6zb6TnwcTi in the same transaction.
After that, you can send your 2x coins to different addresses and that would be your 2x wallet.

I see, thank you very much! I wonder which wallets will be supporting all these coins. Jesus, this is really all so annoying! (Even though free money)

The reason S2x did it this way is that there is no need to rewrite the wallet code the only thing that will matter is if its connected to a BTC Core node or a BTC1 s2x node very sketchy and underhanded way of doing it I really do think that the S2x chain will die and it won't be worth the risk even trying to split

[kickback]

Achtung!

segwit2x/S2X etc etc will not be "free money".You will only have a choice to swap your segwit 1x/legacy at a rate of 1:1 or hold your legacy/segwit 1x and opt to buy the segwit2x on an exchange or whatever.This will not be a free airdrop similiar to bitcoincash/BCH/Bcc etc etc.

[tekmobile]

Achtung!

segwit2x/S2X etc etc wil not be "free money".You will only have a choice to swap your segwit 1x/legacy at a rate of 1:1 or hold your legacy/segwit 1x and opt to buy the segwit2x on an exchange or whatever.This will not be a free airdrop similiar to bitcoincash/BCH/Bcc etc etc.

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Oh shit!??!?!?!?!! Thank you. I thought we would get same amount of both!!! Wtf!!!

Better NOT be in BTC at all in that case! This sounds suddenly so risky!

That information is complete rubbish it's a chain split you will get both 1:1 you just have to be careful splitting the coins (see earlier post) before trading so your transaction cannot be replayed on the other chain because if you send 1 S2x coin the transaction will be valid on the BTC chain and can be re-broadcast stealing your BTC

EDIT:
Coinbase just tweeted their stance and action plan on the S2X forl
https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/916430726047817728

[kickback]

Achtung!

segwit2x/S2X etc etc wil not be "free money".You will only have a choice to swap your segwit 1x/legacy at a rate of 1:1 or hold your legacy/segwit 1x and opt to buy the segwit2x on an exchange or whatever.This will not be a free airdrop similiar to bitcoincash/BCH/Bcc etc etc.

!!!

Oh shit!??!?!?!?!! Thank you. I thought we would get same amount of both!!! Wtf!!!

Better NOT be in BTC at all in that case! This sounds suddenly so risky!

That information is complete rubbish it's a chain split you will get both 1:1 you just have to be careful splitting the coins (see earlier post) before trading so your transaction cannot be replayed on the other chain because if you send 1 S2x coin the transaction will be valid on the BTC chain and can be re-broadcast stealing your BTC

EDIT:
Coinbase just tweeted their stance and action plan on the S2X forl
https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/916430726047817728

You will see.Lets hope you learn the hard way.

[tekmobile]

Achtung!

segwit2x/S2X etc etc wil not be "free money".You will only have a choice to swap your segwit 1x/legacy at a rate of 1:1 or hold your legacy/segwit 1x and opt to buy the segwit2x on an exchange or whatever.This will not be a free airdrop similiar to bitcoincash/BCH/Bcc etc etc.

!!!

Oh shit!??!?!?!?!! Thank you. I thought we would get same amount of both!!! Wtf!!!

Better NOT be in BTC at all in that case! This sounds suddenly so risky!

That information is complete rubbish it's a chain split you will get both 1:1 you just have to be careful splitting the coins (see earlier post) before trading so your transaction cannot be replayed on the other chain because if you send 1 S2x coin the transaction will be valid on the BTC chain and can be re-broadcast stealing your BTC

EDIT:
Coinbase just tweeted their stance and action plan on the S2X forl
https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/916430726047817728

You will see.Lets hope you learn the hard way.

I won't be doing anything I have no interest in the 2x chain and doubt it will even gain enough mining support to survive

Coinbase just announced that they will be giving their users coins on both chains so I guess you know more than a multi million dollar company

Do you have any proof ? 

[iCEBREAKER]

Coinbase just tweeted their stance and action plan on the S2X forl
https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/916430726047817728

Coinbase is selectively enforcing their support for controversial hard forks.

Legally speaking, they don't have a valid reason to embrace Bcash and Silbert2X while ignoring Bitcoin Gold, CLAMS, Litecoin Classic, Ethereum Dark, etc.

It's far worse an indiscretion than merely arbitrary or random inclusion/exclusion, because Coinbase has investors and advisers drowning in DCG conflicts-of-interest.

Brian Armstong should have stuck to his guns and actually had the balls to enforce his original "If you want your stupid Bcash then get your coins the fuck off Coinbase before the fork" policy instead of (yet again) being a total cuck and surrendering to the mob of Free Shit Army whiners.

By refusing to fight and win the good fight (against over-entitled moonchildren) sooner, he's doomed Coinbase to losing a much bigger war in the long term.

To elaborate, Coinbase's massive insurance/regulatory compliance overhead compounds the technical infrastructure costs of supporting new coins/forks.

Thus Coinbase must make profit faster than it spends resources supporting controversial hard forks.

So, given Coinbases's new "We Cuck To All Shitty Forks Now" policy they will (given a sufficient number of forks to support) go bankrupt.

"Welcome to Coinbase.  We lose money on each new Bitcoin fork but make up for it in volume!" -Brian Armstrong basically

Ha ha, just kidding.  We all know Coinbase will only support the controversial forks that keep the drug-money-laundering CIA shekels from Barry flowing into their next financing round.

[tekmobile]

Coinbase just tweeted their stance and action plan on the S2X forl
https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/916430726047817728

Coinbase is selectively enforcing their support for controversial hard forks.

Legally speaking, they don't have a valid reason to embrace Bcash and Silbert2X while ignoring Bitcoin Gold, CLAMS, Litecoin Classic, Ethereum Dark, etc.

It's far worse an indiscretion than merely arbitrary or random inclusion/exclusion, because Coinbase has investors and advisers drowning in DCG conflicts-of-interest.

Brian Armstong should have stuck to his guns and actually had the balls to enforce his original "If you want your stupid Bcash then get your coins the fuck off Coinbase before the fork" policy instead of (yet again) being a total cuck and surrendering to the mob of Free Shit Army whiners.

By refusing to fight and win the good fight (against over-entitled moonchildren) sooner, he's doomed Coinbase to losing a much bigger war in the long term.

To elaborate, Coinbase's massive insurance/regulatory compliance overhead compounds the technical infrastructure costs of supporting new coins/forks.

Thus Coinbase must make profit faster than it spends resources supporting controversial hard forks.

So, given Coinbases's new "We Cuck To All Shitty Forks Now" policy they will (given a sufficient number of forks to support) go bankrupt.

"Welcome to Coinbase.  We lose money on each new Bitcoin fork but make up for it in volume!" -Brian Armstrong basically

Ha ha, just kidding.  We all know Coinbase will only support the controversial forks that keep the drug-money-laundering CIA shekels from Barry flowing into their next financing round.

I don't use coinbase so makes no difference to me what they do, I do have an account but never used it I don't even think ive done KYC verification

[tekmobile]

https://twitter.com/bradmillscan/status/916440400944082944

https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/223

BitFinex will list 2X as B2X and Bitcoin will remain $BTC

Well, that pretty much says it all? EDIT: or not... wtf:

As the proposed consensus protocol Segwit2x project appears likely to activate, we have elected to designate the Segwit2x fork as B2X, for now. The incumbent implementation (based on the existing Bitcoin consensus protocol) will continue to trade as BTC even if the B2X chain has more hashing power.

Best bet is probably just to wait it out and see

[bones261]

It appears as though BTC.top and mystery miners have finally found a Goldilocks zone. Now they can enjoy the spoils mostly to themselves without being pestered by the vulture miners. Congrats Wu and friends.  

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It appears China's cryptocurrency ban is only temporary https://hacked.com/chinese-government-eyeing-fresh-bitcoin-legislation/

"Regulators must already know that the ban hasn’t stopped mainland investors from buying cryptocurrencies next door in Hong Kong or Singapore."

https://news.bitcoin.com/an-in-depth-interview-with-electron-cash-developer-jonald-fyookball/

[serby10101010001100010]

Coinbase just tweeted their stance and action plan on the S2X forl
https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/916430726047817728

Coinbase is selectively enforcing their support for controversial hard forks.

Legally speaking, they don't have a valid reason to embrace Bcash and Silbert2X while ignoring Bitcoin Gold, CLAMS, Litecoin Classic, Ethereum Dark, etc.

It's far worse an indiscretion than merely arbitrary or random inclusion/exclusion, because Coinbase has investors and advisers drowning in DCG conflicts-of-interest.

Brian Armstong should have stuck to his guns and actually had the balls to enforce his original "If you want your stupid Bcash then get your coins the fuck off Coinbase before the fork" policy instead of (yet again) being a total cuck and surrendering to the mob of Free Shit Army whiners.

By refusing to fight and win the good fight (against over-entitled moonchildren) sooner, he's doomed Coinbase to losing a much bigger war in the long term.

To elaborate, Coinbase's massive insurance/regulatory compliance overhead compounds the technical infrastructure costs of supporting new coins/forks.

Thus Coinbase must make profit faster than it spends resources supporting controversial hard forks.

So, given Coinbases's new "We Cuck To All Shitty Forks Now" policy they will (given a sufficient number of forks to support) go bankrupt.

"Welcome to Coinbase.  We lose money on each new Bitcoin fork but make up for it in volume!" -Brian Armstrong basically

Ha ha, just kidding.  We all know Coinbase will only support the controversial forks that keep the drug-money-laundering CIA shekels from Barry flowing into their next financing round.

There it is: Today’s newly announced CSTs will allow traders to speculate on the potential activation and mining of the Segwit2x consensus protocol. They are designating the tokens as CSTs as BT1 (Incumbent Bitcoin Blockchain) and BT2 (Bitcoin Segwit2x). https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/10/06/bitcoin-exchange-bitfinex-launches-chain-split-token-cst-segwit2x/

https://twitter.com/bradmillscan/status/916440400944082944

https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/223

BitFinex will list 2X as B2X and Bitcoin will remain $BTC

Well, that pretty much says it all? EDIT: or not... wtf:

As the proposed consensus protocol Segwit2x project appears likely to activate, we have elected to designate the Segwit2x fork as B2X, for now. The incumbent implementation (based on the existing Bitcoin consensus protocol) will continue to trade as BTC even if the B2X chain has more hashing power.

"Bitfinex, the Hong-Kong based bitcoin and cryptocurrency exchange announced today they are launching a new pair of (Chain Split Tokens) CSTs for Segwit2x, another proposed Bitcoin consensus change."

[MarketMagic]

Segwit2x is nothing short of a coup attempt by businesses & miners in the Bitcoin space to oust the core developers of the Bitcoin code and force their control in the direction of Bitcoin technical development.

That is it, in a nutshell. This takeover attempt lead by Barry Silbert’s New York Agreement is veiled (albeit somewhat thinly in my mind) by the Segwit & big block debate to take attention away from the true intention of the miners & businesses. The ambition of Bitcoin miners & businesses will always inherently lean toward centralized control as they are unwilling to sacrifice efficiency for network security. This intention is in stark contrast to the aspirations of the average Bitcoin users who desire security and decentralization above all else. While there exists some debate between users regarding block size I believe even those who champion a push for larger blocks would outright condemn the ensuring totalitarian control over the network.

We must realize as a community that the Segwit2x code is not the argument, whether you desire big or small blocks, Segwit or no Segwit it is not relevant. The point remains the method by which the centralized mining cartels & businesses are attempting to force this change through the protocol and what is likely to happen in the future should they succeed. Should Segwit2x client change be successful;

A) It will be proven without a doubt that the Bitcoin network with all its hash power security and global scale CAN BE gamed. Any protocol changes that the miners / businesses want or are PAID / COERCED to want can be made, full stop. If they want Bitcoin to be inflationary rather than deflationary or to have 42 million minable coins rather than 21 million its just a matter of 1’s and 0’s at this point.

B) Power of development for the Bitcoin project will be taken out of the hands of the Core development team. The same team that has kept the Bitcoin network secure and stable with near 100% uptime for the past 8+ years. It is anyone’s guess who will stay on to develop the Segwit2x client.

C) Bitcoin’s status as a decentralized currency will be stripped. Bitcoins future will be entirely in the hands of centralized business’s and mining bodies. I am sure they will form some type of administrative group to discuss THEIR needs. The users will not be represented. (Sound familiar?).

D) There is no guarantee that the Bitcoin project will even remain open source. Once enough hash power and economic support lend themselves to the Segwit2x client the new miner controlled development team can easily flip the switch to closed source is they so desired.

The miners and businesses operating on the Bitcoin blockchain are entirely incentivized to centralize the networks development & operation as much as is possible. Centralized control will always be more efficient than decentralized consensus and thus adds to the bottom lines of businesses and miners alike. The users MUST NOT allow these bodies to take control of the network. Miners and business’s exist to serve the users & the network, NOT the other way around.

I suppose it is in the nature of human beings to desire power and control over others. Why this is exactly I can’t say, but I doubt anyone would argue the point. An attack of this type was bound to occur sooner or later in the Bitcoin space, I had no doubts of this. However I am taken back a bit by the lack of common understanding of exactly what is taking place here. For years a 51% attack on the Bitcoin network was in the forefront of every users mind and yet in the midst of a hostile takeover attempt all I see is complacency. Many posts on Reddit and Twitter are content to see that Segwit will be pushed through “in some form” but take no account to the method by which it occurs. They have been so aptly sold on the benefits of Segwit that they pay little attention to men pulling the strings behind the cloth. We would be far better off to have Bitcoin as it stands today without Segregated Witness then to allow manipulation of the protocol in this manner.

The only true power we as users have is to educate one another on the issues, whether they lie in the technical, economical or game theory realms as we move forward. At this point it seems clear that decentralized systems such as Bitcoin will always be under attack by centralized authorities wishing to take more control. If the Bitcoin project is to succeed the user base will need to be dynamic in their defense & understanding.

[serby10101010001100010]

Segwit2x is nothing short of a coup attempt by businesses & miners in the Bitcoin space to oust the core developers of the Bitcoin code and force their control in the direction of Bitcoin technical development.

That is it, in a nutshell. This takeover attempt lead by Barry Silbert’s New York Agreement is veiled (albeit somewhat thinly in my mind) by the Segwit & big block debate to take attention away from the true intention of the miners & businesses. The ambition of Bitcoin miners & businesses will always inherently lean toward centralized control as they are unwilling to sacrifice efficiency for network security. This intention is in stark contrast to the aspirations of the average Bitcoin users who desire security and decentralization above all else. While there exists some debate between users regarding block size I believe even those who champion a push for larger blocks would outright condemn the ensuring totalitarian control over the network.

We must realize as a community that the Segwit2x code is not the argument, whether you desire big or small blocks, Segwit or no Segwit it is not relevant. The point remains the method by which the centralized mining cartels & businesses are attempting to force this change through the protocol and what is likely to happen in the future should they succeed. Should Segwit2x client change be successful;

A) It will be proven without a doubt that the Bitcoin network with all its hash power security and global scale CAN BE gamed. Any protocol changes that the miners / businesses want or are PAID / COERCED to want can be made, full stop. If they want Bitcoin to be inflationary rather than deflationary or to have 42 million minable coins rather than 21 million its just a matter of 1’s and 0’s at this point.

B) Power of development for the Bitcoin project will be taken out of the hands of the Core development team. The same team that has kept the Bitcoin network secure and stable with near 100% uptime for the past 8+ years. It is anyone’s guess who will stay on to develop the Segwit2x client.

C) Bitcoin’s status as a decentralized currency will be stripped. Bitcoins future will be entirely in the hands of centralized business’s and mining bodies. I am sure they will form some type of administrative group to discuss THEIR needs. The users will not be represented. (Sound familiar?).

D) There is no guarantee that the Bitcoin project will even remain open source. Once enough hash power and economic support lend themselves to the Segwit2x client the new miner controlled development team can easily flip the switch to closed source is they so desired.

The miners and businesses operating on the Bitcoin blockchain are entirely incentivized to centralize the networks development & operation as much as is possible. Centralized control will always be more efficient than decentralized consensus and thus adds to the bottom lines of businesses and miners alike. The users MUST NOT allow these bodies to take control of the network. Miners and business’s exist to serve the users & the network, NOT the other way around.

I suppose it is in the nature of human beings to desire power and control over others. Why this is exactly I can’t say, but I doubt anyone would argue the point. An attack of this type was bound to occur sooner or later in the Bitcoin space, I had no doubts of this. However I am taken back a bit by the lack of common understanding of exactly what is taking place here. For years a 51% attack on the Bitcoin network was in the forefront of every users mind and yet in the midst of a hostile takeover attempt all I see is complacency. Many posts on Reddit and Twitter are content to see that Segwit will be pushed through “in some form” but take no account to the method by which it occurs. They have been so aptly sold on the benefits of Segwit that they pay little attention to men pulling the strings behind the cloth. We would be far better off to have Bitcoin as it stands today without Segregated Witness then to allow manipulation of the protocol in this manner.

The only true power we as users have is to educate one another on the issues, whether they lie in the technical, economical or game theory realms as we move forward. At this point it seems clear that decentralized systems such as Bitcoin will always be under attack by centralized authorities wishing to take more control. If the Bitcoin project is to succeed the user base will need to be dynamic in their defense & understanding.

PLEASE HACKERS JUST CRACK THAT 256-BIT KEY BY BRUTE FORCE. [(3.13 + 7.00)/ 3.13)] = 1.618
1.618 = Phi

[tekmobile]

https://gemini.com/blog/bitcoin-cash-bch-withdrawals/

We are pleased to announce that as of Saturday, October 7, 2017, Gemini will allow all customers to view their BCH balance and request a withdrawal via the BCH withdrawal request page.  If you choose to request a BCH withdrawal, your entire BCH balance will be transferred to your chosen withdrawal address.

 

BCH requests are not sent onto the blockchain immediately. The first time we will process all submitted BCH withdrawal requests will be Wednesday, October 11 at 1pm EDT. After that point, requests will be honored within 5 business days from the time of your request. Example: If you request on Saturday, October 21, 2017, your transfer will be executed on or by Friday, October 27, 2017.

 

Although we do not currently have plans to open order books for BCH trading, we will continue to update our customers as the BCH situation evolves further.

[serby10101010001100010]

https://gemini.com/blog/bitcoin-cash-bch-withdrawals/

We are pleased to announce that as of Saturday, October 7, 2017, Gemini will allow all customers to view their BCH balance and request a withdrawal via the BCH withdrawal request page.  If you choose to request a BCH withdrawal, your entire BCH balance will be transferred to your chosen withdrawal address.

 

BCH requests are not sent onto the blockchain immediately. The first time we will process all submitted BCH withdrawal requests will be Wednesday, October 11 at 1pm EDT. After that point, requests will be honored within 5 business days from the time of your request. Example: If you request on Saturday, October 21, 2017, your transfer will be executed on or by Friday, October 27, 2017.

 

Although we do not currently have plans to open order books for BCH trading, we will continue to update our customers as the BCH situation evolves further.

lol, who gives a flying shit about that shitty exchange anyways, not even in top ten list: https://atozforex.com/news/top-10-cryptocurrency-exchanges-2017/

EDIT: you've got to be looking for cheap coins to buy back from panic sellers as you spend your time feuding BCH with that kind of fake signals on this thread, or else...

[tekmobile]

https://gemini.com/blog/bitcoin-cash-bch-withdrawals/

We are pleased to announce that as of Saturday, October 7, 2017, Gemini will allow all customers to view their BCH balance and request a withdrawal via the BCH withdrawal request page.  If you choose to request a BCH withdrawal, your entire BCH balance will be transferred to your chosen withdrawal address.

 

BCH requests are not sent onto the blockchain immediately. The first time we will process all submitted BCH withdrawal requests will be Wednesday, October 11 at 1pm EDT. After that point, requests will be honored within 5 business days from the time of your request. Example: If you request on Saturday, October 21, 2017, your transfer will be executed on or by Friday, October 27, 2017.

 

Although we do not currently have plans to open order books for BCH trading, we will continue to update our customers as the BCH situation evolves further.

lol, who gives a flying shit about that exchange anyways, not even in top ten list.

Just more coins to be flooded to the market don't know how many they held though but the more that are unlocked and come to the market the more accurate the BCH value will be because so far it's taking into consideration coins that are locked up and the users have no choice.

There are these to now be released and moved/sold, xapo that need to be moved or sold and coinbase in january 

[serby10101010001100010]

https://gemini.com/blog/bitcoin-cash-bch-withdrawals/

We are pleased to announce that as of Saturday, October 7, 2017, Gemini will allow all customers to view their BCH balance and request a withdrawal via the BCH withdrawal request page.  If you choose to request a BCH withdrawal, your entire BCH balance will be transferred to your chosen withdrawal address.

 

BCH requests are not sent onto the blockchain immediately. The first time we will process all submitted BCH withdrawal requests will be Wednesday, October 11 at 1pm EDT. After that point, requests will be honored within 5 business days from the time of your request. Example: If you request on Saturday, October 21, 2017, your transfer will be executed on or by Friday, October 27, 2017.

 

Although we do not currently have plans to open order books for BCH trading, we will continue to update our customers as the BCH situation evolves further.

lol, who gives a flying shit about that exchange anyways, not even in top ten list.

Just more coins to be flooded to the market don't know how many they held though but the more that are unlocked and come to the market the more accurate the BCH value will be because so far it's taking into consideration coins that are locked up and the users have no choice.

There are these to now be released and moved/sold, xapo that need to be moved or sold and coinbase in january 

users always have a choice, IMHO