WARNING DeepOnion is a SCAM, proof inside!

[obszoenling]

If DeepOnion is a scam why some people are millionaires now? This is the best privacy coin today, DeepOnion is legit, Well organized and have a best planned not only about the project, but also to their members in the community, If you don't believe me come and join us today and you'll see how strong and loyal we are

early investors of a ponzy scheme do become millionarirs. That's the point

I've just sold my ONIONs and removed my sig. I've been silent until today because otherwise I would have been banned from the airdrops. I got in to late to reap in on the big profits and got out because there are too few airdrops left and it's most likely just going to burn down when they are done.

The coin has no other features other then the tor integration which is useless by the way. Those that wanted to stay private already use tor because that's the only way to get on the dark web.

It has NO OTHER PRIVACY at all. All transactions are just as traceable as as with bitcoin. 0 privacy.

They have some features on the road map they may bring SOME privacy, but nothing like monero, pivx or particl. Their promised deepsend is just the old coinjoin algorithm that many other coins have and it's a joke. And it's not even in.

The owner is a chinees fellow that moderates and bans everybody that says anything bad. He fakes his account hack to get rid of -16 trust. Yes, -16. He is a full time scammer. Now he already has -2 on his new account.

The thread is just a collection of memes sign in deepvault (wtf is up with that useless feature???) and "lets pump this" messages. If you look a bit into the anatomy of a pump and dump scam you will recognize the language and discussions. All spam, all useless messages from a PAID community! Yes it's PAID by the airdrop. You are paid to stay quiet and post! Do a bit of research here: https://cryptoslate.com/us-government-engages-bounty-hunters-war-pump-dumps/

Get out of ONION before it's too late. Right now you are pumping so the old whales can dump. And if you look at the dev wallets you will see they are. Why do you think ONION is falling down while all other alts are gaining 20-30% now?

You are obviously just desperate bacuse the price is currenctly down.
Why did you even buy onions if you don't like the project?
You bought for 7 Dollars and sold for 3. LoL
DVW7iRTv4DZd9vqbq5iMWzWWFiXb3Pjnvb

[KeithHopkin]

Gladly I didnt join their airdrop (because I did not comply to the the requirement :p)
I dont know if the amount received by new member is only $7 now, last time I visit their thread it was around $600-700 from each airdrop

[ONION_NL]

The amount you get now per airdrop is much higher than 7$. The make use of the so call factor system, at least 1.2x and max 5x. Lets say you have 50 ONIONS. Each airdrop would give you at least 60 ONIONS and max 250 ONIONS. Current value between 60 and 750$.

[cryptobengal]

The amount you get now per airdrop is much higher than 7$. The make use of the so call factor system, at least 1.2x and max 5x. Lets say you have 50 ONIONS. Each airdrop would give you at least 60 ONIONS and max 250 ONIONS. Current value between 60 and 750$.

hey speak in english, not with your wordsalad to mislead people ,, if someone had 50 onion , that would get them 1 or 2 onions of airdrop, so dont go saying otherwize ,
look at this guys profile , he is on his first and last post, lol

[celtic99]

If DeepOnion is a scam why some people are millionaires now? This is the best privacy coin today, DeepOnion is legit, Well organized and have a best planned not only about the project, but also to their members in the community, If you don't believe me come and join us today and you'll see how strong and loyal we are

early investors of a ponzy scheme do become millionarirs. That's the point

I've just sold my ONIONs and removed my sig. I've been silent until today because otherwise I would have been banned from the airdrops. I got in to late to reap in on the big profits and got out because there are too few airdrops left and it's most likely just going to burn down when they are done.

The coin has no other features other then the tor integration which is useless by the way. Those that wanted to stay private already use tor because that's the only way to get on the dark web.

It has NO OTHER PRIVACY at all. All transactions are just as traceable as as with bitcoin. 0 privacy.

They have some features on the road map they may bring SOME privacy, but nothing like monero, pivx or particl. Their promised deepsend is just the old coinjoin algorithm that many other coins have and it's a joke. And it's not even in.

The owner is a chinees fellow that moderates and bans everybody that says anything bad. He fakes his account hack to get rid of -16 trust. Yes, -16. He is a full time scammer. Now he already has -2 on his new account.

The thread is just a collection of memes sign in deepvault (wtf is up with that useless feature???) and "lets pump this" messages. If you look a bit into the anatomy of a pump and dump scam you will recognize the language and discussions. All spam, all useless messages from a PAID community! Yes it's PAID by the airdrop. You are paid to stay quiet and post! Do a bit of research here: https://cryptoslate.com/us-government-engages-bounty-hunters-war-pump-dumps/

Get out of ONION before it's too late. Right now you are pumping so the old whales can dump. And if you look at the dev wallets you will see they are. Why do you think ONION is falling down while all other alts are gaining 20-30% now?

this post deserves a  merit.  I knew onion was a scam when I first saw it.  Its completely obvious

[Erelas]

As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned.  No initial investment, other than a little typing was required.  If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.

This is not true. You need to own coins to get anything from "a little typing". So it's a ponzi with extra work involved for those who are being ripped off.

We're speaking at cross-purposes.  When the airdrop first started, no initial investment, as I said, was needed.  The coin wasn't even on an exchange, and couldn't be purchased, so again, it doesn't follow the definition of a Ponzi.  If you participated, you received some Onion, and it was only much, much later that the holding rule was removed.  The team literally gave the crypto away based on the rules laid out in the original signature campaign.  As I said, it was "just a little typing".  You could not buy Onion in the beginning even if you had wanted to do so.

Time is money. A little typing is not free. And you very well could buy Onions. They were also mineable and had a ridiculous amount of hash rate dedicated to them from the very moment they became available, which implies collusion. Everything about this is fishy and since the moment the rules changed it turned from shady to outright ponzi.

I would love to know where you could purchase Onion before it was available on any exchange?  I mean, I'm not gonna say you're nuts if you claim you could have written a dev a check and mailed it to them, but I find that scenario highly unlikely.  Please note, I was here before the first airdrop and did a little bounty work for some of my first Onion before then.  Perhaps that is what you mean by "purchase"?

I mined a bit too with that kawaiipool, and yeah, the hashrate went very high very fast, so it wasn't really worth it to me and I make more staking now than I did mining.

[Erelas]

As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned.  No initial investment, other than a little typing was required.  If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.

There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time.  You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet.  Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source.  I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.

I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate.  Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself.  Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine.  What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion?  Yes, you can.  Therefore it is effectively open source.  Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"?  No, there was not, I was here at the beginning.  A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".

Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.

Seems like you made a valid point here.

A Ponzi scheme doesn't require any monetary investment, it's a scheme whereby value is transferred to the creators of said scheme.

When talking about ponzi's in crypto, it takes on a whole different meaning due to the natural creation process of crypto, being creating from mere code, essentially out of nothing, based only on trust.

And to every person who's entering DeepOnion after their "17th airdrop" you've have entered into this ponzi scheme unknowingly (you have invested real money into it, or some serious hours of time), and you're actively marketing the coin to acquire more value to your investment, welcome to the free-coin-prymaid-scheme.

The entire operation is Ingenious, and their marketing/community and coin all coupled together, is virtually unparalleled. But, the markets say otherwise, despite countless hours of marketing, the coin itself remains insignificant, with meager volumes and even a more meager mcap. This ultimately is the biggest tell in what people think about this coin.

DeepOnion will not be the last coin to implement "The Onion scheme" in crypto, it's only the beginning.

Consequences for these levels of corruption will be dealt down on the creators/team of DO, through government intervention or karma. There are countless stories to be told, by former individuals who've seen the insides of the entire process, and it isn't pretty. DO could of easily been one of the best coins to launch, but the morons behind the scene's lack all: vision, experience, knowledge and ultimately the ability to understand criticism/feedback.

Does this resemble some process to you?

Anybody who still doesn't get it after this explanation and all the other red flags that have been raised can't be helped.

I'm definitely beyond hope then, lol, but I bet you figured that out already.  For one, those numbers are inaccurate, and for another, "Ponzi", named after the first guy to start one, hasn't changed it's definition because crypto came around.

What you call a Ponzi may be different than the literal textbook, as it is taught - because Ponzi is used as scholastic examples - but that does not magically make what you call a Ponzi to actually "be" a Ponzi scheme.  YOu could get all philosophical aobut it I guess and try the "A rose by any other name" line, but, it still won't change what the legal definition, there actually is one, of a Ponzi scheme is.  I simply intend to call a Ponzi a Ponzi, and some other kind of scam by the name that best fits it, and not make up a new definition for a well-established term.

BTW, you make a good argument, and if that's your graphic, nice job, I'd merit your post if I still had any myself, even though I disagree with you, you still debate very well and that is "meritorious" in my opinion.

[djpitagora]

If DeepOnion is a scam why some people are millionaires now? This is the best privacy coin today, DeepOnion is legit, Well organized and have a best planned not only about the project, but also to their members in the community, If you don't believe me come and join us today and you'll see how strong and loyal we are

early investors of a ponzy scheme do become millionarirs. That's the point

I've just sold my ONIONs and removed my sig. I've been silent until today because otherwise I would have been banned from the airdrops. I got in to late to reap in on the big profits and got out because there are too few airdrops left and it's most likely just going to burn down when they are done.

The coin has no other features other then the tor integration which is useless by the way. Those that wanted to stay private already use tor because that's the only way to get on the dark web.

It has NO OTHER PRIVACY at all. All transactions are just as traceable as as with bitcoin. 0 privacy.

They have some features on the road map they may bring SOME privacy, but nothing like monero, pivx or particl. Their promised deepsend is just the old coinjoin algorithm that many other coins have and it's a joke. And it's not even in.

The owner is a chinees fellow that moderates and bans everybody that says anything bad. He fakes his account hack to get rid of -16 trust. Yes, -16. He is a full time scammer. Now he already has -2 on his new account.

The thread is just a collection of memes sign in deepvault (wtf is up with that useless feature???) and "lets pump this" messages. If you look a bit into the anatomy of a pump and dump scam you will recognize the language and discussions. All spam, all useless messages from a PAID community! Yes it's PAID by the airdrop. You are paid to stay quiet and post! Do a bit of research here: https://cryptoslate.com/us-government-engages-bounty-hunters-war-pump-dumps/

Get out of ONION before it's too late. Right now you are pumping so the old whales can dump. And if you look at the dev wallets you will see they are. Why do you think ONION is falling down while all other alts are gaining 20-30% now?

You are obviously just desperate bacuse the price is currenctly down.
Why did you even buy onions if you don't like the project?
You bought for 7 Dollars and sold for 3. LoL
DVW7iRTv4DZd9vqbq5iMWzWWFiXb3Pjnvb

it's not about the price being down. All currencies are down. Don't play the envy/desperate card because there is nothing to envy here or be desperate about. If you make some quick math you will realize that because of airdrops between the 7$ buy and 3$ sell I didn't loose a single dollar despise the drop. It's about the coin not being private at all and the owners not being honest. The simple fact that you managed to dig up the transaction data above is proof enough. You made my case.

[thedarksun]

DeepOnion is a Scam!

Scammer profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=321080

TLDR: Airdrop 40 weeks, 'developer' staking(!) the premine, upcoming 'DeepSend' feature implemented to dump premine coins including the ones being printed daily by staking the premine, called 'AirDrop' but in reality it is a Signature Campaign Payout Program

Study the following addresses. These addresses are the key to understanding this simple scheme:

--- http://explorer.deeponion.org/richlist
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DhWJMa5kGNQ5iXGNoquRZQKSmARw1DyS2Z
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/Dd6u3TJR6nRzutSpYbHDW88KoAyQ1BpL4j
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DZUGGxKWYBKkiSGNSBx62D6ury9uYggdJC
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DgpjGyycH458NsFEj3piGjRhnkUvKBR2cM
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DX4qMLfAWZd1tbu15gEzsAoVxdhq6NC8sA
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/Dceu19YxDe1WguPWeQrmm7ckGeSmt8b85h
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DWjCYg862cq3br8k4oPcipuKQyumBAU9KA
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DeRGsbkqSqLT2Lhf92uN2pV2uTNYyMiduz
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/Dd6xwEVYpYZzsE2khrgpeHLG58fkgAm7sE
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DVjbruQQDM5Zbnpi4dtkW5xxJxHBH5Geud
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DVoBKxedTucADriQ1bFmHE1mQVbjUkzUiV
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DXAv3dPZyU4T1tJvVp953x8STyR7338FAk
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DZfB2L8mX36G2ui7F1AygsRujw2BDFVcua
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/Dc4qVePXgab78MatYshW8pw7kF82iFy5p2
  -- http://explorer.deeponion.org/address/DpmWNGcM7rwjnd2xJm88mbwuXsXdZNduNV

Watch the transactions of the above addresses.
Here's ONE EXAMPLE FRAUD PoS TRANSACTION:

http://explorer.deeponion.org/tx/3b8f01dd7b1cd7e260c48be66771e92debc1b5174eb10a489118b9ea4866267e
195 ONION generated in one second without community consent.
 - ->> for comparison, a 'Bounty' or 'Reward' in DeepOnion is for example 50 ONION for producing a video (takes a couple hours).
Think about it, this is real slavery...! We are building his coin for free and he stakes the premine, lol.


This is ongoing.

Onions are being spread out from the large premine addresses to smaller addresses.

We can keep track of them here. Just post and help debunk this scam.

Transparency is key

We are the community and this is a one man stunt that we have to stop.

@crypto-rainbow Why you ignore my question?

Who possesses addresses from top-10 except for the first three addresses.
 And why such huge sums of ONION within several days have been sent to them?

If we speak about transparency and equitable initial distribution, then the community has to know to whom these addresses belong and whether they will participate in POS. It is especially important in view of possible fast emergence at the exchanges.


On these 7 addresses, is
89% FROM ALL AVAILABLE AT PRESENT ONIONS, BEING IN FREE CIRCULATION.

It is the huge sum.

What about these addresses?  http://178.62.250.234/richlist

To whom do they belong and why they have received such huge sums?


4 DgpjGyycH458NsFEj3piGjRhnkUvKBR2cM 501993.15206847 2.77
5 DX4qMLfAWZd1tbu15gEzsAoVxdhq6NC8sA 494718.16815066 2.73
6 Dceu19YxDe1WguPWeQrmm7ckGeSmt8b85h 250250.85827396 1.38
7 DWjCYg862cq3br8k4oPcipuKQyumBAU9KA 250166.40041095 1.38
8 DeRGsbkqSqLT2Lhf92uN2pV2uTNYyMiduz 246429.93717808 1.36
9 Dd6xwEVYpYZzsE2khrgpeHLG58fkgAm7sE 104726.14202738 0.58
10 DYpXPm37WoQCs3BkYWH2aX4CkwmsvsZQk3 73588.61965753 0.41

4. DgpjGyycH458NsFEj3piGjRhnkUvKBR2cM
30th Jul 2017 5:22:29 PM bd6249c42b5ec434b6d6ea45d1fded2263168d694e5573360817eaa1b0f40261 + 236.06575342
27th Jul 2017 6:56:49 AM b83a0c5f6ae7fd48c9ebcd19afc4362905de2ee511d08ac3268d5d826c04f8bd + 205.62547945
25th Jul 2017 7:01:58 PM a9b9101ca0f58df054142216a893a7fdb7e244558e3f9f07652a527dd12a02c5 + 675.95616438
20th Jul 2017 8:48:44 PM 57cb317161f91bbb0d23d1d49255bac3745fa7ca0f969aa0350e1c9edf1dbebb + 330.78849315
18th Jul 2017 10:55:16 AM 178cf3fb16263a26bc02ffed8ea7b5e14b75d2aa1af0dd577fdb8a7cc82cdd6a + 363.11041095
15th Jul 2017 7:21:55 PM 3b2ecf19411a2b295ec5ed8b61653954ac1f82262aea69914c6810e406880c95 + 500181.60576712

5 DX4qMLfAWZd1tbu15gEzsAoVxdhq6NC8sA
29th Jul 2017 9:42:24 AM 16092b0ff7ae0d63bcf36d8ee00c34fe7653eab1cfa24a9f61dd47339ebdb9a7 + 244.54712328
28th Jul 2017 5:13:22 AM 3a3fc546c8fc3cac950219dc0849004168b02062d3b6e7125dd106c889c6ab9d + 164.17643835
25th Jul 2017 7:01:51 PM c796a7441643cddb3e1e6b33f6a923c64454a39614c16d55e64459f10e8a2506 + 246.67315068
25th Jul 2017 7:01:59 PM aa9fd11d146160b352ac82eb52371b26cf1261dfb6f494cd2511d55f022f59e0 + 246.67917808
22nd Jul 2017 3:30:51 AM aae056ff8ccad5d0837b709f007b48eec1e6a57dd201f424c63f6714b94db9f9 + 208.07726027
20th Jul 2017 2:35:15 PM 7b86af7fbf5dd0c2a7d9b8b1f6f2ab450c93059306cbfe414e8b83295e961337 + 493608.01500000

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ANSWER: (DELETED ON THE ANN)

So rainbow no hate but we have to talk

More and more users are concerned about potential dev dump as you can tell by the posts.
Might be helpfull to add some transparency to that.

I mean, still 38 weeks to go and it will be a shit ton of work to delete every other post
asking for that.
In other threads, users talk about potential dumps and scam.

If you don´t answer some of the critical questions, the community will loose trust in the coin.
And If you are willing to proceed the distribution and promises that have been made it´ll be a bad
thing having less and less community support and if you plan to dump a weak community isn´t good either

REPLY:

Some people think they have right to know which wallet belongs to who.
This is why we created the DeepOnion

YES Indeed! We have a right to know what you're doing with the Premine!

Right now WE the community are promoting your coin, it is not you.
We are truly building your coin and your environment, it is not you.
We are the lifeblood of your coin. You can't just stake the premine to begin dumping it on us as soon as we have an exchange. You must be absolutely transparent about what is happening and not delete our posts as you do on your moderated announcement thread.

No way. We will fork and continue your coin if you aren't 100% transparent RIGHT NOW.

unmoderated Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058255

You are wrong. Deeponion is very promising coin with good future, and it is not scam. Stop putting people in error. Especially now, when deeponion can start growing

[bucciarati]

As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned.  No initial investment, other than a little typing was required.  If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.

There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time.  You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet.  Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source.  I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.

I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate.  Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself.  Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine.  What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion?  Yes, you can.  Therefore it is effectively open source.  Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"?  No, there was not, I was here at the beginning.  A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".

Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.

Seems like you made a valid point here.

A Ponzi scheme doesn't require any monetary investment, it's a scheme whereby value is transferred to the creators of said scheme.

When talking about ponzi's in crypto, it takes on a whole different meaning due to the natural creation process of crypto, being creating from mere code, essentially out of nothing, based only on trust.

And to every person who's entering DeepOnion after their "17th airdrop" you've have entered into this ponzi scheme unknowingly (you have invested real money into it, or some serious hours of time), and you're actively marketing the coin to acquire more value to your investment, welcome to the free-coin-prymaid-scheme.

The entire operation is Ingenious, and their marketing/community and coin all coupled together, is virtually unparalleled. But, the markets say otherwise, despite countless hours of marketing, the coin itself remains insignificant, with meager volumes and even a more meager mcap. This ultimately is the biggest tell in what people think about this coin.

DeepOnion will not be the last coin to implement "The Onion scheme" in crypto, it's only the beginning.

Consequences for these levels of corruption will be dealt down on the creators/team of DO, through government intervention or karma. There are countless stories to be told, by former individuals who've seen the insides of the entire process, and it isn't pretty. DO could of easily been one of the best coins to launch, but the morons behind the scene's lack all: vision, experience, knowledge and ultimately the ability to understand criticism/feedback.

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so in the end you are here, in a cryptocurrencies forum, asking for government intervention? i think this is a bit weird,
also your "stretched"  definition of Ponzi scheme, a bit adapted to your theory, is a little weird in my opinion

but hey, we live in a free world and everyone has the right to have own opinions :-)

[ericunc95]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it does mean it is correct or the truth.  I possess Deep Onion, am a member of the airdrops and have had 0 issues with anything in that community to so far. 

[ONION_NL]

You have this kind of discussions with every new crypto..You always have the ones that believe in the project and the ones that think it is scam...At the end everyone can decide by its own what to believe.

[PhillipazAnderson7]

i knew. when i first saw this coins roadmap )

[DanetmSterns]

look at their dev credit. its -20 now haha

[twinkledthomas]

The haters are everywhere. I am a member of deeponion community since november. But i feel comfortable there. I dont understand why he is calling it as a scam... Anyway it proved its not a scam.. I think he is also become a believer of deeponion project ...

[HeidiluPalmer]

People still dont read the main topic. The op already give the proof of scam. Please read it with your head.

[Zmaku]

Every coin in history was called a scam by someone. I will just give you a few links to older threads that called some coins scam and you try to draw some conclusions from it...
This first thread about Ethereum being a scam is such a good laugh today. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707237.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1637318.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448643.0

[pedrog]

Not only a scam, an annoying scam, they have all those shills spamming the forum with useless topics just trying to pump their coin.

[nicwenzel]

Is it a scam, is it not a scam? who knows. If its not a scam, people who have DO will be happy in 5 years. if it is a scam, they will have lost their investment.

[jorj_pay_UZ]

Every coin in history was called a scam by someone. I will just give you a few links to older threads that called some coins scam and you try to draw some conclusions from it...
This first thread about Ethereum being a scam is such a good laugh today. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707237.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1637318.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448643.0

If the onions stand the test of time, what have they done XMR,ETH and XEM for the crypto industry,it is possible and about a bow someday so write as an example of a successful project. In the meantime, and will discuss negatively,IMHO