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[inblue]

I apologize for coming across in a harsh way to anyone.

That's great, but as the (unread) Forbes article says, your apology will not prevent future behavior of the same kind.

And how about you apologize for the "Widows incident"? Heh, see what I did there? I'm making you apologize. How does that make you feel? Not good, because you don't believe you are at fault for that. And that's the key thing you don't understand about interpersonal relationships and life in general - if you are the protagonist to yourself, it doesn't mean you can't be the antagonist in someone else's life. That is, in life you will believe all or almost all of your actions are 100% good and pure, but that doesn't mean that you didn't do harm to someone else. Someone's views on some topic could be unaligned with yours.

Furthermore, not everyone around you is bad; they could also think that they are good and that you are bad (I don't mean good or bad inherently and always, but just today, or for some action or sentence). For example, you can type something and then you automatically expect that everyone must agree with that, or else they are - bad, not pure, misinformed, stupid, or whatever. Or you see someone else write something and you think they are bad and that they are doing that intentionally (or as you said for the Togo case - "in spite"), while you don't stop to think that that person probably believes that they are the do-gooders and that they are doing something of benefit for the community.

[inblue]

As an outsider to this heated conversation I agree with you. Rob seems to be amazing developer. But like myself and many of us developers we are not good at public discussions. This thread was going to right way as people were quite polite and there was lot of answers and improvements.
Nowadays I feel fearful as I see that rob has written to this thread.

If a proposal is voted down, I'd say live with it. At least wait a month before you try again. Why do people get to re-submit a second proposal if the first one is voted down? I don't think any proposal should ever be hidden. It really is an insult to the entire process when people treat it like a working document. Oh, let's just change the proposal's intent on the fly or re-submit it because the BBP amount is wrong. Proposal process needs to be treated with the utmost respect.

Spot on, guys.

[thesnat21]

For something new...



Read the details here:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Concept_POOM

If you want your voice heard, please join the discussion on the forum: (Comments here may be lost/buried, not intentionally)
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=306.0

This discussion is open to everyone,  please join us in talking through the pros / cons. 

I want to be clear, this is a pre-proposal,  basically at the "open for public comment" phase of the discussion. 

[sunk818]

SKUNK have you any problem?

What's the URL to the explorer?

[thesnat21]

I see you blocked me from PM's as well I'm not sure why...   I would like to discuss further with you but I don't think every conversation needs to be in public.

Tell me one reason why. We're talking about project-related things, not our personal lives.

I'm trying to help bridge some gaps.  There is a time and place for public discussions, some of this stuff is dealing with more personal issues than anything else.

I'm having a deep discussion with Rob in e-mail that I would not attempt to post here.. (I know it would not be received the same way, and would add more fuel to the fire).

We were trying to start with a clean slate where t-mike and I were helping to maintain things here

Yes, I respect your and tmike's effort very much. Everything was well until user bible_pay showed up again. And wasn't the deal that he will retreat from this place? I can't remember your exact words.

I appreciate your comments, and there has been a lot of bad blood..   I never said Rob couldn't speak here, but yes he agreed to let us manage the community.   Old habits I suppose?

Regardless,  I am trying to be the referee here and work with both sides.   If we continue to do back and forth fighting we will never make any progress.

BOTH Sides need to cool off.   Instead of personal attacks lets get to the heart of the issues...  Give me some time to work through some of this..

[thesnat21]

As an outsider to this heated conversation I agree with you. Rob seems to be amazing developer. But like myself and many of us developers we are not good at public discussions. This thread was going to right way as people were quite polite and there was lot of answers and improvements.
Nowadays I feel fearful as I see that rob has written to this thread.

I agree with you We would not be where we are without Rob's vision, dedication, and time for this project... 

I don't think he, (or anyone else) deserves to be attacked or ridiculed on a personal level, lets keep this above board.

It's ok to ask questions and work on trust/accountability, but lets not reduce these issues to personal attacks, as that creates two problems that need to be addressed (and reduces the likelyhood of either being resolved).

[inblue]

Even though things have gotten personal with the sleights and insults, one thing appears to me. That we are a community, and some of what has been brought up really needs to come to light, for the community about how things are being handled. They affect us all. Let's have a non-censored discussion.

It's actually in the best interest of everyone. Let everyone hear. If you all want to argue about whether so-and-so is acting Christian enough, then PMs are the way to go. But for community-wide issues, like how proposals work behind the scenes and potential conflicts of interest.  How can we say that only affects one person who needs to work it out in private? I don't want to make any comparisons to political parties who employ that tactic. Let's just say it tends to end badly for all. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen here.

Do I, as the owner of a tiny amount of biblepay, have the right to understand the proposal process?
Is it true anyone can just "reboot" their proposal until it passes (those with the most votes can take full advantage of this?
Can proposals really be hidden, and who has the decision on that?
How many nodes does the lead dev have?

These are examples of questions that arise because information only comes out piecemeal, maybe leaked from private conversations and messages. I don't want to see this sad trend continue, so let's get things out in the light, maybe then it's easier to trust again?   The problem with "let's just start over", is the questions that spawned the controversy are left unadressed. so the release of tension is only temporary. Then the cycle starts again, maybe with something new added to the fire. We can fix this, but we have to make some new patterns.

Some legitimate concerns from a user from the other thread.

[thesnat21]

Even though things have gotten personal with the sleights and insults, one thing appears to me. That we are a community, and some of what has been brought up really needs to come to light, for the community about how things are being handled. They affect us all. Let's have a non-censored discussion.

It's actually in the best interest of everyone. Let everyone hear. If you all want to argue about whether so-and-so is acting Christian enough, then PMs are the way to go. But for community-wide issues, like how proposals work behind the scenes and potential conflicts of interest.  How can we say that only affects one person who needs to work it out in private? I don't want to make any comparisons to political parties who employ that tactic. Let's just say it tends to end badly for all. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen here.

Do I, as the owner of a tiny amount of biblepay, have the right to understand the proposal process?
Is it true anyone can just "reboot" their proposal until it passes (those with the most votes can take full advantage of this?
Can proposals really be hidden, and who has the decision on that?
How many nodes does the lead dev have?

These are examples of questions that arise because information only comes out piecemeal, maybe leaked from private conversations and messages. I don't want to see this sad trend continue, so let's get things out in the light, maybe then it's easier to trust again?   The problem with "let's just start over", is the questions that spawned the controversy are left unadressed. so the release of tension is only temporary. Then the cycle starts again, maybe with something new added to the fire. We can fix this, but we have to make some new patterns.

Some legitimate concerns from a user from the other thread.

Yep responded over there,  but it is said in a respectful way...  this is the difference inblue

[ZhuldyzKaladinova]

wow guys and gals last time I was here BBP was way higher.. close to a 3,000,000$ cap if I remember right. Cool to see that people are still around despite the current sub 500k cap. This community has always seemed interesting to me. Keep building the good stuff. Cheers to y'all

[MIP]

Biblepay 1.1.6.0-Leisure


- Address problem with automatic R@H interaction through BOINC client in MacOS. (https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=297.0)
- Improve error message for Linux and Windows (inner workings remain exactly the same) on the same BOINC interaction.
- Masternodes are not affected.

As it's more critical for MacOS users, I already released this version for them.

http://biblepay.org/biblepaycore.dmg

[capulo]

what is this?


21:23:40

exec stakebalance


21:23:40

{
  "Command": "stakebalance",
  "StakeBalance": 8870330
}


21:23:42

exec podcupdate true


21:24:05

{
  "Command": "podcupdate",
  "PODCUpdate": "Unable to locate enough unlocked funds not equal to 1,550,001 biblepay."
}

i wanna send podcupdate, 1550001 is something with MN, i never had MN

[thesnat21]

{
  "Command": "podcupdate",
  "PODCUpdate": "Unable to locate enough unlocked funds not equal to 1,550,001 biblepay."
}

i wanna send podcupdate, 1550001 is something with MN, i never had MN

It's a goofy error and could stand to be cleaned up for your case.

Open the wallet, go to settings->options
then "wallet" tab

then check the box for "enable advanced coin control features"

After that,  go to the send tab,  and send to one of your addresses.   click the "Inputs" button and "Select All"

This will consolidate all your coin to 1 transaction & address, and should fix this error.

[slovakia]

added new explorer  
still syncing,so relax 
enjoy

https://biblepay.ovh/

[zthomasz]

wow guys and gals last time I was here BBP was way higher.. close to a 3,000,000$ cap if I remember right. Cool to see that people are still around despite the current sub 500k cap. This community has always seemed interesting to me. Keep building the good stuff. Cheers to y'all

Thanks for the encouragement. God continues to bless us, BiblePay currently sponsors over 130 orphans and other children in poverty.  

[capulo]

{
  "Command": "podcupdate",
  "PODCUpdate": "Unable to locate enough unlocked funds not equal to 1,550,001 biblepay."
}

i wanna send podcupdate, 1550001 is something with MN, i never had MN

It's a goofy error and could stand to be cleaned up for your case.

Open the wallet, go to settings->options
then "wallet" tab

then check the box for "enable advanced coin control features"

After that,  go to the send tab,  and send to one of your addresses.   click the "Inputs" button and "Select All"

This will consolidate all your coin to 1 transaction & address, and should fix this error.

great, this works
thanks

[thesnat21]

Updates:

• Rob posted an update to pool.biblepay.org : new Detail Drill in capability for : Leaderboard View, Superblock View, Rosetta Machine Leaderboard View and Rosetta Unbanked Report.  This allows the user to see the highlighted record without referring back to the header.
• Jaap has finished updating the www.biblepay.org website with the ‘five fold vision’ (This is the last feature of the round of website updates Jaap and Togo created about 45 days ago, when we undertook a campaign to make it easier to mine, explain, and invest in).  To see the vision, click on the main biblepay center bible logo.
• explorer.biblepay.org is synced
• new explorer: https://www.biblepay.ovh/  currently syncing.
• Biblepay  1.1.6.0-Leisure released, with some fixes for Mac/Linux setups

[zthomasz]

Poll

Should we remove the PODC Team Blacklist? ................... Yes: 13 (54.2%)    No: 4 (16.7%)

Yes, but add a payout penalty to Non Team BiblePay users
(if this is chosen, a second poll will be made) .................. Yes: 7 (29.2%)   Abstain: 0 (0%)

                                                                                     Total Members Voted: 24

Voting closes: November 21, 2018, 12:19:16 pm

Go here to vote: https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=299.0

[bible_pay]

added new explorer  
still syncing,so relax 
enjoy

https://biblepay.ovh/

Thanks Slovakia, this will be really nice over the long term!

I see the blocks are synced, and the Tx's are half synced.

Thanks for being a friend to the community.

[inblue]

Even though things have gotten personal with the sleights and insults, one thing appears to me. That we are a community, and some of what has been brought up really needs to come to light, for the community about how things are being handled. They affect us all. Let's have a non-censored discussion.

It's actually in the best interest of everyone. Let everyone hear. If you all want to argue about whether so-and-so is acting Christian enough, then PMs are the way to go. But for community-wide issues, like how proposals work behind the scenes and potential conflicts of interest.  How can we say that only affects one person who needs to work it out in private? I don't want to make any comparisons to political parties who employ that tactic. Let's just say it tends to end badly for all. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen here.

Do I, as the owner of a tiny amount of biblepay, have the right to understand the proposal process?
Is it true anyone can just "reboot" their proposal until it passes (those with the most votes can take full advantage of this?
Can proposals really be hidden, and who has the decision on that?
How many nodes does the lead dev have?

These are examples of questions that arise because information only comes out piecemeal, maybe leaked from private conversations and messages. I don't want to see this sad trend continue, so let's get things out in the light, maybe then it's easier to trust again?   The problem with "let's just start over", is the questions that spawned the controversy are left unadressed. so the release of tension is only temporary. Then the cycle starts again, maybe with something new added to the fire. We can fix this, but we have to make some new patterns.

Some legitimate concerns from a user from the other thread.

Yep responded over there,  but it is said in a respectful way...  this is the difference inblue

Yes, there is a difference in that the "respectful" way doesn't produce any response from Rob.

[thesnat21]

Yep responded over there,  but it is said in a respectful way...  this is the difference inblue

Yes, there is a difference in that the "respectful" way doesn't produce any response from Rob.

Why are you trying to instigate a negative response? ...  

Are you only here to cause trouble?  If so then I need to apologize to Rob...  
I had assumed you were trying to bring things out into the open for an actual discussion.

He and I are having some in-depth philosophical discussions around how to handle things here,  I must say despite issues in our past,  it has been good to have a real conversation with him.