🌟🚀 [Pre-ANN] AZULIK: adding privacy to DAG fee-less instant transactions 🌟🚀

[AzulikProject]

https://image.ibb.co/h2YO3S/xka3.jpg

Introduction
https://image.ibb.co/gJoyWS/AZL_mockup_v1.png
What is AZULIK ?

Azulik aims to be Raiblocks with privacy.
We may make some changes to the Raiblocks protocol, but in the end, we want to offer a decentralised, fee-less, anonymous, and instant cryptocurrency.

At this stage we confirm that Colin's words were right, it's not possible to apply privacy to XRB as we kown it today ( zkSNARKs).

Adding the privacy feature is harder than it may look, simply applying a ZK-SNARKs protocol (the underlying protocol of Zcash) would make the transaction time increase a lot.

That why we are currently working on two approaches:

• Having an optional privacy feature, allowing to have instant transaction or privacy
    
• WPI (witness-indistinguishable proof ) or recursive zkSNARKs approach which for us would be the best way to have both instant transaction and privacy

See below and our whitepaper for details.

Who are we ?

We are two colleagues, two engineers working at a famous tech company. One of our friends in the company will join us in the near future to work on the project management, marketing, and exchange listings.

Here’s a little bit about us:

There is nothing really sexy about it. We are rather young guys who graduated from very good universities. The skinny one is better at C++ than he is with girls and the fat one doesn't remember the last time he played a sport.

You won't know more about us than that, though, because our company's compliance rules don't allow outside of business activities. Hence, we wouldn't take the risk of being fired.

We have been in the blockchain and crypto world for years. We followed the development of XRB and we have been fascinated with Colin's work. Especially this epic thread that none of us understand…Don't worry, we are joking!

Why Azulik ?

We like Colin, he is certainly super smart, but we have read somewhere (and they were reported words) that adding privacy to Raiblocks wasn't possible.

When we saw that, we thought: “Challenge accepted!”

We started to work on it. We dug a bit into the problem and we would like to offer a potential solution we found.

Yes, we aim to build a decentralized, fee-less, and instant cryptocurrency.

But, most of all, we believe that privacy is an amazing touch to add to it.

Give us more details !

In a nutshell we show that applying Zero Knowledge proof (ZK-SNARKs) to DAG is something feasible. At this stage we believe that the privacy feature and instant transaction aren't compatible, however we think about making private transaction an option allowing to handle instant transaction or full privacy. But for sure it's a more complex problem than just apply SNARKs to Raiblocks, our next direction is to check the feasability to apply witness-indistinguishable proof.

A witness-indistinguishable proof (WIP) is a variant of a zero-knowledge proof for languages in NP. In a typical zero-knowledge proof of a statement, the prover will use a witness for the statement as input to the protocol, and the verifier will learn nothing other than the truth of the statement. In a WIP, this zero-knowledge condition is weakened, and the only guarantee is that the verifier will not be able to distinguish between provers that use different witnesses. In particular, the protocol may leak information about the set of all witnesses, or even leak the witness that was used when there is only one possible witness.

Witness-indistinguishable proof systems were first introduced by Feige and Shamir.[1] Unlike zero-knowledge proofs, they remain secure when multiple proofs are being performed concurrently.

(wikipedia)

We believe that applying WIP to Raiblocks could be the solution to have both instant and fee-less transaction. Furthermore given to Witness-Indistinguishability Against Quantum Adversaries it would also be possible to make Azulik quantum resistant, which is currently not our priority.

For more details check our whitepaper first draft by clicking here. We know it's still very light as we have been mainly working on the privacy feature for the moment but expect updates frequently, it's mainly a summarize of a US army protocol encryption that we have been testing and from the results are below .

UPDATE:

First of all, thank you for all of your messages. They are really documented and very interesting. We will give further details below:


Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks (3), recursive-ZK-Snakrs (2) (linearisation), and WPI (1).

As a benchmark, we used a simple DAG. We then simulated transactions/nodes and calculated the time needed.

https://image.ibb.co/d3DjA7/1516471445_finalresultsazulik.jpg

On the left, you can see that (among the three approaches) one allows to have transaction time really close to the simple DAG (without privacy). We can confirm these results with the figure on the right where we plotted the difference against the benchmark.


So, here we are, we have selected the Privacy protocol we will apply. We still have some analysis to do, but we are very confident with this approach.

Azulik will be the first Freemium cryptocurrency.
You’ll be able to realise instant, fee-less transactions, and adding privacy will only requiere a very small fee. Read below because what we have to show you is amazing.

First, we need to understand the issue, Raiblocks uses DPOS (delegated proof of stake), hence having complete privacy would hide users’ balances and break the whole DPOS system. The idea is to have two wallets: one public and one private.
So, you are wondering: If  I have the choice, I could put all my Azulik in the private wallet and the DPOS wouldn’t work anymore .

Yes, you are right and that’s why we need an intencive to make people stay in the public wallet and participate in the DPOS. All the fees collected through private transactions will be sent back to the user depending on their Azulik balance.

It means that keeping your Azulik in your public wallet, even if you don’t do transactions, will return you a percentage of the daily fees spent on the private network. One percent of the transaction fees will be split between the nodes, hence you will get paid to run the node. The other 99% will be redistributed to the network. Assuming that the portfolio weight is distributed like a Gaussian law and that the number of transactions is  equal or higher to the number of  users, we can say that, on average, you’ll get 99% of your fees back.  

So even if the fee is very low (and probably dynamic depending on the number of nodes on the network), you’ll get back a lot of the fees you pay for you private transactions. Remember, it’s  still free and instant to send or receive Azulik with your public wallet.



https://image.ibb.co/dLVmOS/1516527377_azulikproject.jpg


The main upside is that we will have a natural anti-spam protocol for private transactions, hence we can remove the POW to sending or receiving. It also means that it will make transactions even faster so they can be used in the mobile wallet.

Let’s take an example: You reveive your salary in your public wallet, then you send a part of your salary to your private wallet that you call Shopping Wallet.

Usually with Raiblocks, when you pay for a coffee, the bar can check your balance, where the money came from, and so on. Here, you can use you private wallet to pay and nothing will appear. Your transaction will be shown on the public wallet, but there is no link between the public and private wallet so it’s impossible to know who owns any given public wallet.

We believe this is the most elegant way to apply privacy on a DAG DPOS protocol
Do not hesitate to ask all the questions or concerns you may have, we would be happy to provide further details.


To summarise:

- We have designed and tested our privacy protocol
- Azulik will be more decentralized than Raiblocks
- It will be as fast as raiblocks for both private and public transactions
- Engage loyal users with daily rewards
- Very small fee for private transactions
- On average: private transactions are almost free

What next:

Here, you have everything you need to understand Azulik. We know you want a proper whitepaper and to see some code.

We can say that we will be able to deliver a proper whitepaper in about a month. Regarding the code, we will have to find a secure way to show you. As you know, there are other projects aiming to do the same thing and, in months, they proposed/delivered nothing new besides "We will merge Zk-Snarks and Raiblocks.” We like open source projects but we don't want our hard work to be stolen. So, in a bit of time, I think we will have a clearer picture about these two other projects and we will be able to deliver code. However, on our side, we will start implementing Azulik. To be honest, we can't expect the first test to be done before two or three months.

Here’s what’s next:

• Finishing a proper whitepaper and public release of the Github the 16th of March
• End of donation the 16th of March
• Wallet development
• Testnet open the first week of april
• Official launch in the begining of May

Distribution:

It's very early to speak about the distribution as we expect months of work ahead, especially because we are busy with our daily work at the office, but we would like to find a very fun, fair, and new way to distribute Azulik. Any ideas?


Can i help ?

Of course you can, we are always interested in people having expertise and wanting to share, do not hesitate to contact us and give us your toughs, concerns, comments or complaints. If you have no expertise in this field hence you can motivate us if you are as excited by the project as we are.  

Donation:

We will update the list (or tell us for remaining anonymous), all donation will be very appreciated and we will remember it when we finally release Azulik! (and we secretly expect to leave our job and work full time on Azulik as it's much more interesting) .

Currently we haven't really dig the distribution process, it's not the top priority as of today. We have to define the supply, the part given to the contributors, the team and through faucet.
 
We will study all of your propositions, and the preliminary supply will be 666 millions coins.


All of this above isn't definitive and could be updated. Furthermore all donation should be considered as donation nothing more


At the moment, we want Azulik to work as soon as possible.

Thanks for reading.

Azulik Project

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[wilberthh]

So basically this is simply a copy of RaiBlocks with a privacy feature added? hmm look like a very interesting project.

I'll be waiting for the whitepaper and more information regarding this, sounds pretty promising!

By the way, what is the total supply of this coin? Thank you dev.

[AzulikProject]

So basically this is simply a copy of RaiBlocks with a privacy feature added? hmm look like a very interesting project.

I'll be waiting for the whitepaper and more information regarding this, sounds pretty promising!

By the way, what is the total supply of this coin? Thank you dev.

Indeed it is, adding the privacy feature is harder than it may look, simply applying a ZK-SNARKs protocol would make the transaction time increase a lot.
That why we are currently working on two approaches:

• Having an optional privacy feature, allowing to have instant transaction or privacy
• WPI approach which for us would be the best way to have both instant transaction and privacy

Regarding the total supply it will depend of two factors:

• The distribution way used
• The community though, as on our side we believe a higher supply will make the token price lower and easier to use on daily basis in real life.

[lastguy3000]

I will be following this project,I think privacy coins are going to be big this year (also DAG coins)
In case you ever needed translations,I'm reserving Turkish translations.

[Flater]

Your preliminary work looks very impressive, i like the way you explain that simply adding ZK-SNARKs won't solve the problem and you are really thinking about an alternative.

I will closely follow this project which seem very promising and professional.

[AzulikProject]

I will be following this project,I think privacy coins are going to be big this year (also DAG coins)
In case you ever needed translations,I'm reserving Turkish translations.

Thank you very much, it's highly appreciated.
We will be in touch when we will need translation. Currently our main priorities are the whitepaper and making good progress on the code and share everything with you.

Your preliminary work looks very impressive, i like the way you explain that simply adding ZK-SNARKs won't solve the problem and you are really thinking about an alternative.

I will closely follow this project which seem very promising and professional.

Thank you for your support, let's make it happen ! The sooner the better.

[yukseljunk]

Great idea guys!
Will it be POS or POW or POS/POW? Are there any thoughts on mining algos/masternodes etc.
I was too late to reserve Turkish translations, so I am reserving Czech, if you need.

[V. J. Meyer]

I have followed your project and I am quite excited, I need some more background information on the upcoming activities of the project to decide on investing in it. Hope you can share some more information here so that other investors can follow and support your project.

[Iqcases]

Hi can you make this coin possible for mining. It will get more support.

[JanyJeand31]

Two engineers sounds interesting, but the roadmap must be huge?

[AzulikProject]

Great idea guys!
Will it be POS or POW or POS/POW? Are there any thoughts on mining algos/masternodes etc.
I was too late to reserve Turkish translations, so I am reserving Czech, if you need.

It will be DPOS with a very quick POW for sending and receiving coins in order to avoid spamming as it will be fee-less. Thank you for raising your hand to help we really like that !

I have followed your project and I am quite excited, I need some more background information on the upcoming activities of the project to decide on investing in it. Hope you can share some more information here so that other investors can follow and support your project.

Feel free to ask any question, regarding our very next steps we want to finish our whitepaper, and make good progress on the code. We will of course share all these steps with our community.

Hi can you make this coin possible for mining. It will get more support.

Unfortunatly the coin won't be mineable, we'll try to get support by having an amazing product, fee-less, instant, green and anonymous.

Two engineers sounds interesting, but the roadmap must be huge?

Indeed it's huge, especially the challenging part of keeping both instant transaction and privacy, we will face a huge amount of work. To be honest, we like that, the issue may come from our wifes as we currenly work remotly together late in the night.
That's why we plan to rent an office for our weekend of work in order to be in a peaceful atmosphere and spend our weekend working on it as much as we can.

[Flater]

I had an old monero wallet, i sent you the whole balance as i believe it will be more useful.

Very proud to be the first donator to the Azulik project !!!

[AzulikProject]

I had an old monero wallet, i sent you the whole balance as i believe it will be more useful.

Very proud to be the first donator to the Azulik project !!!

Thank you, i will add you to the list of donator.
We will keep the funds in the dev wallet and not touch it, we will justify each use we make with your funds such as our office rental and hardware things for our new office or a company to work on the website...

[KryptoQuant]

I'll dig the WP and donate accordingly.
Keep us updated frequently.

[AzulikProject]

We have made some update in our whitepaper.

Our very next step is to provide your our simulation results, to show you that applying ZK-SNARKs would make transaction slow whereas applying WPI would make it almost instant.

If it goes well we would be the first to apply privacy to DAG-Block-lattice and among the very first to offer almost instant anonymous transaction. That's very exciting.

[Yodax]

https://www.zupimages.net/up/18/02/xka3.jpg

Azulik aims to be Raiblocks with privacy.
We may make some changes to the Raiblocks protocol, but in the end, we want to offer a decentralised, fee-less, anonymous, and instant cryptocurrency.

Who are we ?

We are two colleagues, two engineers working at a famous tech company. One of our friends in the company will join us in the near future to work on the project management, marketing, and exchange listings.

Here’s a little bit about us:

There is nothing really sexy about it. We are rather young guys who graduated from very good universities. The skinny one is better at C++ than he is with girls and the fat one doesn't remember the last time he played a sport.

You won't know more about us than that, though, because our company's compliance rules don't allow outside of business activities. Hence, we wouldn't take the risk of being fired.

We have been in the blockchain and crypto world for years. We followed the development of XRB and we have been fascinated with Colin's work. Especially this epic thread that none of us understand…Don't worry, we are joking!

Why Azulik ?

We like Colin, he is certainly super smart, but we have read somewhere (and they were reported words) that adding privacy to Raiblocks wasn't possible.

When we saw that, we thought: “Challenge accepted!”

We started to work on it. We dug a bit into the problem and we would like to offer a potential solution we found.

Yes, we aim to build a decentralized, fee-less, and instant cryptocurrency.

But, most of all, we believe that privacy is an amazing touch to add to it.

Give us more details !
In a nutshell we show that applying Zero Knowledge proof (ZK-SNARKs) to DAG is something feasible. At this stage we believe that the privacy feature and instant transaction aren't compatible, however we think about making private transaction an option allowing to handle instant transaction or full privacy. But for sure it's a more complex problem than just apply SNARKs to Raiblocks, our next direction is to check the feasability to apply witness-indistinguishable proof.

A witness-indistinguishable proof (WIP) is a variant of a zero-knowledge proof for languages in NP. In a typical zero-knowledge proof of a statement, the prover will use a witness for the statement as input to the protocol, and the verifier will learn nothing other than the truth of the statement. In a WIP, this zero-knowledge condition is weakened, and the only guarantee is that the verifier will not be able to distinguish between provers that use different witnesses. In particular, the protocol may leak information about the set of all witnesses, or even leak the witness that was used when there is only one possible witness.

Witness-indistinguishable proof systems were first introduced by Feige and Shamir.[1] Unlike zero-knowledge proofs, they remain secure when multiple proofs are being performed concurrently.

(wikipedia)

We believe that applying WIP to Raiblocks could be the solution to have both instant and fee-less transaction. Furthermore given to Witness-Indistinguishability Against Quantum Adversaries it would also be possible to make Azulik quantum resistant, which is currently not our priority.

For more details check our whitepaper first draft. We know it's still very light as we have been mainly working on the privacy feature for the moment but expect updates frequently.


Here’s what’s next:

• Finishing a proper whitepaper
• Discussing other potential solutions or improvements with you guys
• In the meantime, working on the coding
• Sharing advancements with you on Github
• Working a bit on the marketing (website, logo, etc.)
• A functional wallet

Distribution:

It's very early to speak about the distribution as we expect months of work ahead, especially because we are busy with our daily work at the office, but we would like to find a very fun, fair, and new way to distribute Azulik. Any ideas?


Can i help ?

Of course you can, we are always interested in people having expertise and wanting to share, do not hesitate to contact us and give us your toughs, concerns, comments or complaints. If you have no expertise in this field hence you can motivate us if you are as excited by the project as we are.  

Donation:

If you guys are excited, liked the small piece of work we offer you today, and want to see more, or if you can't wait for the release of Azulik and you want us to reveal our identity and leave our job to work full-time on it, do not hesitate to donate.

We will update the list (or tell us for remaining anonymous), all donation will be very appreciated and we will remember it when we finally release Azulik! (and we secretly expect to leave our job and work full time on Azulik as it's much more interesting) .

• Bitcoin: 1E6HaTHMwdWsQEPHyMoiNHyxTjKzAXC8sU
• Litecoin: LQcsBj8e9jHHdFyG6cZLCzPpzC5ydnJQKj
• Ethereum: 0x21D0241bf0aB261D52c10767c89Bc9F764472167
• Monero: 44MyZttQH891CTTA8Gg71Cdh68zfUs28WGGynFzcpePiLuE2weVenAVRGfFzjzcusKe2qYUYCGqXk31 mNjG3QqkLKMdm7UU
• Raiblocks: xrb_1dtmp1g9rfkusja6ogpktazgt846kj4ett6afwowpu8xz6wq8kimergzkrug

Thanks for reading.

Azulik Project

What about Stone project, which is exactly what you're saying you want to do?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.new;topicseen#new

[AzulikProject]

What about Stone project, which is exactly what you're saying you want to do?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.new;topicseen#new

Stone project argues:

I've been experimenting with the idea of using zkSNARKs

At this stage we confirm that Colin's words were right, it's not possible to apply privacy to XRB as we kown it today ( zkSNARKs).

Adding the privacy feature is harder than it may look, simply applying a ZK-SNARKs protocol (the underlying protocol of Zcash) would make the transaction time increase a lot.

That why we are currently working on two approaches:

  

• Having an optional privacy feature, allowing to have instant transaction or privacy
    
• WPI (witness-indistinguishable proof ) approach which for us would be the best way to have both instant transaction and privacy

We hope to confirm very soon that using WPI would highly decrease the transaction time. We are currently working on simulation right now.

[Yodax]

What about Stone project, which is exactly what you're saying you want to do?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.new;topicseen#new

Stone project argues:

I've been experimenting with the idea of using zkSNARKs

At this stage we confirm that Colin's words were right, it's not possible to apply privacy to XRB as we kown it today ( zkSNARKs).

Adding the privacy feature is harder than it may look, simply applying a ZK-SNARKs protocol (the underlying protocol of Zcash) would make the transaction time increase a lot.

That why we are currently working on two approaches:

  

• Having an optional privacy feature, allowing to have instant transaction or privacy
    
• WPI (witness-indistinguishable proof ) approach which for us would be the best way to have both instant transaction and privacy

We hope to confirm very soon that using WPI would highly decrease the transaction time. We are currently working on simulation right now.

I'll then follow both projects, as private dag based crypto seems like the future of crypto imo.
Good luck to you both, and keep us updated!

[CoinArt]

Discord channel?

[KryptoQuant]

What about Stone project, which is exactly what you're saying you want to do?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.new;topicseen#new

I'm well invested in XRB and in love with the technology.

Stone project isn't legit at all:

I think i have been the first one to raise the accusation that Stone was only a copy and paste from Wikipedia. Post #31

Since, someone uploaded this video


We must be carefull with Azulik project as well, but at least here:

• they quote Wikipedia and don't try to hide it like Stone
• they have a draft of whitepaper with original content
• they don't say we will take XRB protocol and add zkSNARKS whithout any other explanation.
• they offer a new approach with WIP and optional privacy
• they want to discuss with the community and get challenged with their approach.

I have been so disapointed by Stone and Manta but i want to believe it's possible to add privacy to Raiblocks.

[AzulikProject]

Thank you for supporting however we don't want to discuss how legit Stone project is.
We only accept to challenge the approach and methodology used and remain courteous with other projects.

[JackReachme]

Distribution:

It's very early to speak about the distribution as we expect months of work ahead, especially because we are busy with our daily work at the office, but we would like to find a very fun, fair, and new way to distribute Azulik. Any ideas?


Can i help ?

Of course you can, we are always interested in people having expertise and wanting to share, do not hesitate to contact us and give us your toughs, concerns, comments or complaints. If you have no expertise in this field hence you can motivate us if you are as excited by the project as we are.  

I loved the faucet from XRB, so that might be the way. So everyone is equal.

I am also following Stone and really excited about ur approach. Good luck and i would also like to support u guys.

Cheers,
Jack

[AzulikProject]

I loved the faucet from XRB, so that might be the way. So everyone is equal.

I am also following Stone and really excited about ur approach. Good luck and i would also like to support u guys.

Cheers,
Jack

We also believe faucet distribution if well done is a fair distribution way.
However solving captcha is a bit boring so we'll try to make it more fun.

[monerofort]

Complete scam! its copied the Stone ann exactly: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2581762.0

Stone has been developing zksnarks with DAG for the last month!

[AzulikProject]

We don't use zkSNARKs as Colin said it's impossible, we verified by simulation it would take 45-50 minutes for one transaction. I don't know how Stone will make it, but probably not  by copy pasting Wikipedia page  . It's not mathematically feasible. Once it's said please don't Spam this topic. We don't tell you our thoughs about Stone (but been called scam and compared with STONE....) please check the first post of this page 2. Please don't FUD here and please read our announcement which is completely different and we think much more documented with original content.

What is AZULIK ?

Azulik aims to be Raiblocks with privacy.
We may make some changes to the Raiblocks protocol, but in the end, we want to offer a decentralised, fee-less, anonymous, and instant cryptocurrency.

At this stage we confirm that Colin's words were right, it's not possible to apply privacy to XRB as we kown it today ( zkSNARKs).

Adding the privacy feature is harder than it may look, simply applying a ZK-SNARKs protocol (the underlying protocol of Zcash) would make the transaction time increase a lot.

That why we are currently working on two approaches:

    Having an optional privacy feature, allowing to have instant transaction or privacy
      
    WPI (witness-indistinguishable proof ) approach which for us would be the best way to have both instant transaction and privacy


See below and our whitepaper for details.

[KryptoQuant]

He has been working for the last month and so what ? No whitepaper ? No code ? Only copy and paste from wikipedia. It's more than that, he copy-paste random things from wikipedia and make completly silly conclusion, but absolutely wrong conclusion. And you still think it's legit.  

Azulik is legit, Stone isn't.

[AzulikProject]

We are now done with this topic, let's discuss about Azulik.
Thank you

[Flater]

Just wake up with a fresh mind and gave a read to all your announcement and whitepaper, it's even more impressive. You guys know what you are talking about wow, it's solid like a rock.

I changed my signature to support you, all supporters who can't affoad to donate should do the same, this project will skyrocketing, and i'm so happy i'll get coin for free and finally be an early adopter in the cryptocurrency world.

[Sheyrn]

Raiblocks with privacy very interesting. Do you have discord or telegram? would like to know more about the project.

[Yodax]

Do you guys have to make the privacy an option?
Imo, real privacy come when it's not optional.
Look at Monero and some optional privacy coins. When we choose to make it private, it stand out of the pack and make it a "target", doing the opposite job of privacy.

Monero make all transactions private so it's fungible. This projects should aim the same, no?

[AzulikProject]

Do you guys have to make the privacy an option?
Imo, real privacy come when it's not optional.
Look at Monero and some optional privacy coins. When we choose to make it private, it stand out of the pack and make it a "target", doing the opposite job of privacy.

Monero make all transactions private so it's fungible. This projects should aim the same, no?

It's a very interresting point.

For sure applying zkSNARKs isn't possible unless you want to wait 1 hour for a transaction. So to deal with it we are working on two approaches:

One of them is an optional privacy: people wanting instant transaction won't use the privacy, people wanting privacy will use it. It would be the worst case.

The other one will be by using a WPI or Recursive zk-SNARKS  protocol to have both instant and private transaction as you which.

It's really hard in the crypto world to enable privacy for instant transaction it will require further research, testing and simulation.

But in the end we want Azulik to be anonymous and instant and we will do our best to achieve that.

[Afkbio]

Hey there, looking good

There is a discord for discussing DAG coins with privacy concept and feasability, if you'd like to join.

https://discord.gg/auFsMSD

See ya

[AzulikProject]

Interesting to look at the discord, it's like we really work on the project , of course we do, hours and hours.

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/02/7/1515949192-discordazulik.png
(Thanks Flater for the screenshot)


Glad you think we are legit.

[Sam123]

Three similar projects: Stone, Manta and now AZULIK now. Same idea and same contribution Scheme.
All of them don't show any initial draft of the Whitepaper or any code to view. Why?
Good luck

[Flater]

Interesting to look at the discord, it's like we really work on the project , of course we do, hours and hours.


(Thanks Flater for the screenshot)


Glad you think we are legit.

Three similar projects: Stone, Manta and now AZULIK now. Same idea and same contribution Scheme.
All of them don't show any initial draft of the Whitepaper or any code to view. Why?
Good luck

You should check one message above  .

On top of that Azulik has a completly different approach, they don't say like the two other project we will merge zkSNARKs and DAG  without more explanation. Here they argue it's no possible and propose two alternative.

[stil55]

So basically this is simply a copy of RaiBlocks with a privacy feature added? Look like a very interesting project.I'll be waiting for the whitepaper and more information regarding this, sounds pretty promising.By the way, what is the total supply of this coin? I will closely follow this project which seem very promising and professional.

[kenny_a]

The purpose is adding anonimity function to raiblocks.
But already exist aidos kuneen is DAG+anonimity.
so i think its not innovative.

[Sam123]

Interesting to look at the discord, it's like we really work on the project , of course we do, hours and hours.


(Thanks Flater for the screenshot)


Glad you think we are legit.

Three similar projects: Stone, Manta and now AZULIK now. Same idea and same contribution Scheme.
All of them don't show any initial draft of the Whitepaper or any code to view. Why?
Good luck

You should check one message above  .

On top of that Azulik has a completly different approach, they don't say like the two other project we will merge zkSNARKs and DAG  without more explanation. Here they argue it's no possible and propose two alternative.

Then again, devs needs to show the initial Draft of the Whitepaper and some basic code

[AzulikProject]

So basically this is simply a copy of RaiBlocks with a privacy feature added? Look like a very interesting project.I'll be waiting for the whitepaper and more information regarding this, sounds pretty promising.By the way, what is the total supply of this coin? I will closely follow this project which seem very promising and professional.

You can already have a look at the very first draft of our whitepaper.

The total supply will be high enough to allow daily use in real life. We believe that if you pay your coffee you prefer to pay 2 Azulik  rather than 0,000000012 Azulik it's much more adapted to human brain.

The purpose is adding anonimity function to raiblocks.
But already exist aidos kuneen is DAG+anonimity.
so i think its not innovative.

We don't really know much about Aidos is it instant and fee-less with high scalability ?

Then again, devs needs to show the initial Draft of the Whitepaper and some basic code

The first draft of our whitepaper can be accessed from the red link in the announcement post. I understand that using a red link is maybe not the best way, we will fixe it. Regarding the code, we have code regarding our way to handle the privacy. We will share it of course.

[Sam123]

So basically this is simply a copy of RaiBlocks with a privacy feature added? Look like a very interesting project.I'll be waiting for the whitepaper and more information regarding this, sounds pretty promising.By the way, what is the total supply of this coin? I will closely follow this project which seem very promising and professional.

You can already have a look at the very first draft of our whitepaper.

The total supply will be high enough to allow daily use in real life. We believe that if you pay your coffee you prefer to pay 2 Azulik  rather than 0,000000012 Azulik it's much more adapted to human brain.

The purpose is adding anonimity function to raiblocks.
But already exist aidos kuneen is DAG+anonimity.
so i think its not innovative.

We don't really know much about Aidos is it instant and fee-less with high scalability ?

Then again, devs needs to show the initial Draft of the Whitepaper and some basic code

The first draft of our whitepaper can be accessed from the red link in the announcement post. I understand that using a red link is maybe not the best way, we will fixe it. Regarding the code, we have code regarding our way to handle the privacy. We will share it of course.

Very good Thanks. My turn to do some homework (read the whitepaper). Please post any source code ASAP.
Thanks

[AzulikProject]

Very good Thanks. My turn to do some homework (read the whitepaper). Please post any source code ASAP.
Thanks

Let us know if you have any question.

Regarding the code we will wait a bit, as you mention there is other projects on this niche and even after a month or two they haven't been able to show something, so obviously we don't want our hard work to be stolen from other project. After all we are the most recent one even if we have been working on it for a longer time  

[Glebonator]

I like this idea. The distribution of coins should be long enough and complex so that as many people as possible can get them. It is important that the distribution can not be automated for dishonest collection.

[ivanovhristo14]

Hopefully the project will get the same success as Raiblocks, the privacy is very important asset.

[AzulikProject]

I like this idea. The distribution of coins should be long enough and complex so that as many people as possible can get them. It is important that the distribution can not be automated for dishonest collection.

We can't agree more with you.

Hopefully the project will get the same success as Raiblocks, the privacy is very important asset.

We work hard on it, the privacy feature isn't as easy as we may think. It's not we use a privacy protocol and merge it with Raiblocks. It must keep the philosophy of Raiblocks: fee-less and instant and that's the tricky part. But we are currently working on it.

[KryptoQuant]

I sent a PM for donation.
I did my homework and what i have seen so far is flawless.
Is it true you will stop donation ? I have seen that on the discord screenshot.

[JungleOnion]

I would like to follow up this raiblocks fork. What was the initial distribution of xrb? Maybe azulik can do something similar. But airdrops are pretty good to scale up in price. Perception of value from initial holders sets a scale of what's expensive and what's cheap, so almost every airdropper drops their coins when they achieve their "expensive" price. You get rid off that initial scale, and moving up is easier.

[Izac]

Very interesting. How about total supply of the coins?

[Pusherman303]

very interesting indeed

at the very least we will support this project so the skinny one gets some female adulation - as it aint no fun if the hommies cant have non

[AzulikProject]

Thanks to all of your for you kind words.

Regarding the donation yes we will stop it once we reach what we believe is enough to work in good conditions.
All the funds will be blocked in our Dev wallet and we will justify each time we use it (For example for the designer, to develop the website, rent an office for the weekend and some hardward) and keep the rest of the fund for later.

We aim to distribute Azulik for free but with a highly limited number per person.
All donator will receive a larger amount of Azulik for free, we think that 20% of the real supply (after burning the remaining token) will be distributed among our early donators.

Be sure of one things is that we will very soon show you more results that our approaches for privacy are much better than a simple SNARKS by comparing the transaction time of the 3 approaches : zk-SNARKS, "recursive-zk-SNARKS" and WPI.

And instant transaction is a KEY part of the project.

[Crypitol]

Will this coin be mineable?

[Exterminador de Scam]

https://www.zupimages.net/up/18/02/xka3.jpg

What is AZULIK ?

Azulik aims to be Raiblocks with privacy.
We may make some changes to the Raiblocks protocol, but in the end, we want to offer a decentralised, fee-less, anonymous, and instant cryptocurrency.

At this stage we confirm that Colin's words were right, it's not possible to apply privacy to XRB as we kown it today ( zkSNARKs).

Adding the privacy feature is harder than it may look, simply applying a ZK-SNARKs protocol (the underlying protocol of Zcash) would make the transaction time increase a lot.

That why we are currently working on two approaches:

• Having an optional privacy feature, allowing to have instant transaction or privacy
    
• WPI (witness-indistinguishable proof ) or recursive zkSNARKs approach which for us would be the best way to have both instant transaction and privacy

See below and our whitepaper for details.

Who are we ?

We are two colleagues, two engineers working at a famous tech company. One of our friends in the company will join us in the near future to work on the project management, marketing, and exchange listings.

Here’s a little bit about us:

There is nothing really sexy about it. We are rather young guys who graduated from very good universities. The skinny one is better at C++ than he is with girls and the fat one doesn't remember the last time he played a sport.

You won't know more about us than that, though, because our company's compliance rules don't allow outside of business activities. Hence, we wouldn't take the risk of being fired.

We have been in the blockchain and crypto world for years. We followed the development of XRB and we have been fascinated with Colin's work. Especially this epic thread that none of us understand…Don't worry, we are joking!

Why Azulik ?

We like Colin, he is certainly super smart, but we have read somewhere (and they were reported words) that adding privacy to Raiblocks wasn't possible.

When we saw that, we thought: “Challenge accepted!”

We started to work on it. We dug a bit into the problem and we would like to offer a potential solution we found.

Yes, we aim to build a decentralized, fee-less, and instant cryptocurrency.

But, most of all, we believe that privacy is an amazing touch to add to it.

Give us more details !

In a nutshell we show that applying Zero Knowledge proof (ZK-SNARKs) to DAG is something feasible. At this stage we believe that the privacy feature and instant transaction aren't compatible, however we think about making private transaction an option allowing to handle instant transaction or full privacy. But for sure it's a more complex problem than just apply SNARKs to Raiblocks, our next direction is to check the feasability to apply witness-indistinguishable proof.

A witness-indistinguishable proof (WIP) is a variant of a zero-knowledge proof for languages in NP. In a typical zero-knowledge proof of a statement, the prover will use a witness for the statement as input to the protocol, and the verifier will learn nothing other than the truth of the statement. In a WIP, this zero-knowledge condition is weakened, and the only guarantee is that the verifier will not be able to distinguish between provers that use different witnesses. In particular, the protocol may leak information about the set of all witnesses, or even leak the witness that was used when there is only one possible witness.

Witness-indistinguishable proof systems were first introduced by Feige and Shamir.[1] Unlike zero-knowledge proofs, they remain secure when multiple proofs are being performed concurrently.

(wikipedia)

We believe that applying WIP to Raiblocks could be the solution to have both instant and fee-less transaction. Furthermore given to Witness-Indistinguishability Against Quantum Adversaries it would also be possible to make Azulik quantum resistant, which is currently not our priority.

For more details check our whitepaper first draft by clicking here. We know it's still very light as we have been mainly working on the privacy feature for the moment but expect updates frequently.


Here’s what’s next:

• Finishing a proper whitepaper
• Discussing other potential solutions or improvements with you guys
• In the meantime, working on the coding
• Sharing advancements with you on Github
• Working a bit on the marketing (website, logo, etc.)
• A functional wallet

Distribution:

It's very early to speak about the distribution as we expect months of work ahead, especially because we are busy with our daily work at the office, but we would like to find a very fun, fair, and new way to distribute Azulik. Any ideas?


Can i help ?

Of course you can, we are always interested in people having expertise and wanting to share, do not hesitate to contact us and give us your toughs, concerns, comments or complaints. If you have no expertise in this field hence you can motivate us if you are as excited by the project as we are.  

Donation:

If you guys are excited, liked the small piece of work we offer you today, and want to see more, or if you can't wait for the release of Azulik and you want us to reveal our identity and leave our job to work full-time on it, do not hesitate to donate.

We will update the list (or tell us for remaining anonymous), all donation will be very appreciated and we will remember it when we finally release Azulik! (and we secretly expect to leave our job and work full time on Azulik as it's much more interesting) .

• Bitcoin: 1E6HaTHMwdWsQEPHyMoiNHyxTjKzAXC8sU
• Litecoin: LQcsBj8e9jHHdFyG6cZLCzPpzC5ydnJQKj
• Ethereum: 0x21D0241bf0aB261D52c10767c89Bc9F764472167
• Monero: 44MyZttQH891CTTA8Gg71Cdh68zfUs28WGGynFzcpePiLuE2weVenAVRGfFzjzcusKe2qYUYCGqXk31 mNjG3QqkLKMdm7UU
• Raiblocks: xrb_1dtmp1g9rfkusja6ogpktazgt846kj4ett6afwowpu8xz6wq8kimergzkrug

Thanks for reading.

Azulik Project

I will be following this project closely, whether it is scam or not yet I can not say, but if it is authentic I could follow my suggestions on how to correctly distribute the coins.

 am not a programmer but I want for the first time a currency that uses technology to create an efficient and fair solution to the problems of currency distribution

cryptocurrencies need a solution for the storage of transactions and because all currencies today have the problem of (Infinity and beyond) we have an efficient solution for this too

ie that the matrices are created in blocks of genesis over a certain time and that they are a way of rewarding full nodes, that they are given directly from the genesis block to the address of the full node (almost a mining) but what I see that for a period of time the network needs to have an incentive to maintain and distribute the feeds effectively and fairly, it may have a difficulty specimen that increases as more nodes enter the network and reward them for the time they are on line keeping the network safe and fast.

And do not forget the problems with centralization this is very important.

I do not know how this will be done or if my idea will be accepted, but I think this will be the best thing for currencies using DAG technology

Once again excuse my lousy English

[bkprime]

We have been in the blockchain and crypto world for years. We followed the development of XRB and we have been fascinated with Colin's work. Especially this epic thread that none of us understand…Don't worry, we are joking!


you are in crypto world for years. but you are here since 1 day

[johncolbir]

Seems promising, although I think you should think of a better name of your project, I don't know if it's just me, but AZULIK doesn't sound cool. Your project strong points is that it tries to be a currency that is fast and anonymous, so you should probably think of a name that describe this aspect of your project.

I think airdrops are not good for fair distributions because most people who will get these airdrops are not interested in the project but rather just looking for a way to sell it.

Raiblock's distribution was great because people who believed in Raiblock had to waste a lot of time to accumulate XRB, these people we will the hodlers that actually believe in the project and thus support the price.

My suggest is that you start the distribution as early as you can, even before releasing AZULIK these way you'll give a lot of people the chance to participate.

You should combine multiple systems of Captcha, for example, using pictures, typing words, solving math problems, use a combination of these Captcha to make it impossible for anyone to develop a bot that solve Captcha.

I hope your project succeed, and I will be watching this topic for any new announcement.

[btcdee]

I'm a big fan of Raiblocks but an even bigger fan of privacy coins. I find your witness-indistinguishable proof approach extremely interesting and will follow your project closely. Wishing you the best of luck!

[Maziin]

Hi dev, this project looks very serious. I like it. So, my opinion is that the distribution through faucets is much fair and everyone can do it. Good luck.

[sluppy]

Why don't You Stone guy and XRB Devs collaborate why do u need to make 2 clones of the XRB code ?



 
Also your doing the same thing as stone asking for Donations that go directly into your pocket with no accountability I don't like that.

[Wolf Rainer]

Is the same people... Look at the donations part, same coins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2696095.0

[CryptoEurope]

So scam or legit. Why no one trying to start from 0 and just forking existing coins

Right now raiblocks having big problems with exchanges. I think why not create unique code and learn the lessons from raiblocks mistakes ?

Unique coin starts from normal, easy to remember name.
Your name is hard to remember.
Dont think AZULIK sounds light and easy to remember.
Also official discord channel is required for community so they can see if that project active.

Need website, whitepaper to show you serious about coin.
Donations will flow after you make something, not just write on forum

[zenyfomax1]

Seems promising, although I think you should think of a better name of your project, I don't know if it's just me, but AZULIK doesn't sound cool. Your project strong points is that it tries to be a currency that is fast and anonymous, so you should probably think of a name that describe this aspect of your project.

I think airdrops are not good for fair distributions because most people who will get these airdrops are not interested in the project but rather just looking for a way to sell it.

Raiblock's distribution was great because people who believed in Raiblock had to waste a lot of time to accumulate XRB, these people we will the hodlers that actually believe in the project and thus support the price.

My suggest is that you start the distribution as early as you can, even before releasing AZULIK these way you'll give a lot of people the chance to participate.

You should combine multiple systems of Captcha, for example, using pictures, typing words, solving math problems, use a combination of these Captcha to make it impossible for anyone to develop a bot that solve Captcha.

I hope your project succeed, and I will be watching this topic for any new announcement.

well, to be honest "raiblocks" doesn't sound cool either, and everyone seems to be mispronouncing it as "raiL blocks".

[Bonobo]

The purpose is adding anonimity function to raiblocks.
But already exist aidos kuneen is DAG+anonimity.
so i think its not innovative.

Hmmm...I looked at the Aidos Kuneen website http://www.aidoskuneen.com/.  No whitepaper, no link to a github. They don't give any real technical information.  They only said that it is based on a DAG and the sender has to verify two other transactions, so it sounds like something similar to IOTA's tangle  The only 'exchange' is something they run themselves apparently (https://aidosmarket.com) and there appears to be zero liquidity.  Looks highly sketchy to me.

[Bonobo]

Seems promising, although I think you should think of a better name of your project, I don't know if it's just me, but AZULIK doesn't sound cool. Your project strong points is that it tries to be a currency that is fast and anonymous, so you should probably think of a name that describe this aspect of your project.

I think airdrops are not good for fair distributions because most people who will get these airdrops are not interested in the project but rather just looking for a way to sell it.

Raiblock's distribution was great because people who believed in Raiblock had to waste a lot of time to accumulate XRB, these people we will the hodlers that actually believe in the project and thus support the price.

My suggest is that you start the distribution as early as you can, even before releasing AZULIK these way you'll give a lot of people the chance to participate.

You should combine multiple systems of Captcha, for example, using pictures, typing words, solving math problems, use a combination of these Captcha to make it impossible for anyone to develop a bot that solve Captcha.

I hope your project succeed, and I will be watching this topic for any new announcement.

well, to be honest "raiblocks" doesn't sound cool either, and everyone seems to be mispronouncing it as "raiL blocks".

I agree that the name sucks but it will do for now.  Raiblocks will probably re-brand to Nano which does sound cool to me.  Typically when coins re-brand they get a nice pump so why not leave Azulik as Azulik for now and plan on a nice re-brand after it actually launches?

[AzulikProject]

Why don't You Stone guy and XRB Devs collaborate why do u need to make 2 clones of the XRB code ?



 
Also your doing the same thing as stone asking for Donations that go directly into your pocket with no accountability I don't like that.

We don't share Stone approach which for us doesn't sound legit. XRB team is currently super busy fixing issues with the nodes. Regarding the donation:

Regarding the donation yes we will stop it once we reach what we believe is enough to work in good conditions.
All the funds will be blocked in our Dev wallet and we will justify each time we use it (For example for the designer, to develop the website, rent an office for the weekend and some hardware) and keep the rest of the fund for later.

So scam or legit. Why no one trying to start from 0 and just forking existing coins

Right now raiblocks having big problems with exchanges. I think why not create unique code and learn the lessons from raiblocks mistakes ?

Unique coin starts from normal, easy to remember name.
Your name is hard to remember.
Dont think AZULIK sounds light and easy to remember.
Also official discord channel is required for community so they can see if that project active.

Need website, whitepaper to show you serious about coin.
Donations will flow after you make something, not just write on forum

We don't fork raiblocks, we want to keep its philosophy and we mentionned in the first page we could modify the protocol to achieve this.
Check our whitepaper on the ann page, on top of that i agree that Azulik name could be changed.

[AzulikProject]

What we plan to show is just amazing.

The results of our simulations. Ok said like that it doesn't sound really sexy.

Basically we simulate a simple DAG network, we are able to stress the network and do so many testing.

We will show you the real impact of the privacy on the DAG transaction time. We will also show you which of our approaches is the best. We will tell you whether it's really possible to have instant anonymous transaction or not.

Once it's done we will start coding the best approach and Azulik will be so amazing.

Stay tuned our first simulations results are so interresting !

[temple]

Couldn't Raiblocks upgrade their protocol and implement privacy tech themselves? That might even be what is going to happen at some point in time in the future if the demand clearly indicates that.

[wizzardTim]

Is the same people... Look at the donations part, same coins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2696095.0

Yes. I guess none of these takes escrow, am I right?

[potpockets]

how long before it can be released?

[AzulikProject]

how long before it can be released?

It's hard to say right now, it will depend of our simulation results, we have seen very good results so far, if one of our approach allow us to have instant anonymous transaction hence we will start the coding. For sure we are talking about months not weeks cause in the meantime we have to work on our whitepaper and our website (even if we would like to hire someone for that).

[jukKas]

Interesting project. There's already DAG with untraceable payments called Byteball, though. Byteball's blackbytes cannot be traced, cauce they're not included in DAG at all. It's cool concept and I think that's the way to achieve the goal of privacy if used via TOR.

It's always nice to see people working with privacy concepts in cryptocurrency, and I think that the zkSNARK' tech is awesome. But implementing such tech to DAG-like systems sounds like a mission.

Another problem is smartphones and light-wallets. We need a currency that has mathematical proof of privacy, but it has to be light enough it can be running in smartphones.

Good luck devs!

[AzulikProject]

Interesting project. There's already DAG with untraceable payments called Byteball, though. Byteball's blackbytes cannot be traced, cauce they're not included in DAG at all. It's cool concept and I think that's the way to achieve the goal of privacy if used via TOR.

It's always nice to see people working with privacy concepts in cryptocurrency, and I think that the zkSNARK' tech is awesome. But implementing such tech to DAG-like systems sounds like a mission.

Another problem is smartphones and light-wallets. We need a currency that has mathematical proof of privacy, but it has to be light enough it can be running in smartphones.

Good luck devs!

You perfectly summarize our aim, i would just add that Byteball has fees and and isn't instant, this is the tricky part we are working on.

[RealCrypto.org]

We will be following this project very closely. We have been investors in XRB for the last 7 months and always wanted the holy grail of coins ie. Instant, free and secure. If you pull this off you will be top 10 in MC in less than a year. Good luck!

[Blackmuse]

That sounds like the ultimate [Suspicious link removed]d luck to the team

[Sam123]

Is the same people... Look at the donations part, same coins.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2696095.0

Yes. I guess none of these takes escrow, am I right?

Dev,
Could you please use Escrow rather the Dev wallet
Thanks

[AzulikProject]

Dev,
Could you please use Escrow rather the Dev wallet
Thanks

To be honest given the very small amount of donation we received yet, no need to spend time finding a trustable escrow and pay fees for that. Donation are mainly here to make the project kick out and engage people in the community. The dev wallet will be monitored and nothing will be withdrawn without explaining in details the reason. We already mention what we will do with the donations: Rent an office for weekend work together in peaceful environment, pay for a designer and for a good website and buy some hardware as we can see that our regular computer are very limited for testing our approaches. We would be able to make more simulation and stress-test.

Anyway be ready for the results very soon, i think it will be the first time someone will show you transaction time from a simulated network with three approaches to handle privacy.

We hope to have finish our testing tomorrow or Wednesday.

[Sam123]

Dev,
Could you please use Escrow rather the Dev wallet
Thanks

To be honest given the very small amount of donation we received yet, no need to spend time finding a trustable escrow and pay fees for that. Donation are mainly here to make the project kick out and engage people in the community. The dev wallet will be monitored and nothing will be withdrawn without explaining in details the reason. We already mention what we will do with the donations: Rent an office for weekend work together in peaceful environment, pay for a designer and for a good website and buy some hardware as we can see that our regular computer are very limited for testing our approaches. We would be able to make more simulation and stress-test.

Anyway be ready for the results very soon, i think it will be the first time someone will show you transaction time from a simulated network with three approaches to handle privacy.

We hope to have finish our testing tomorrow or Wednesday.

Cannot wait for the results  
Escrow was a way to increase the donation since there are a lot of scam in many other projects
Good luck

[Yodax]

Dev,
Could you please use Escrow rather the Dev wallet
Thanks

To be honest given the very small amount of donation we received yet, no need to spend time finding a trustable escrow and pay fees for that. Donation are mainly here to make the project kick out and engage people in the community. The dev wallet will be monitored and nothing will be withdrawn without explaining in details the reason. We already mention what we will do with the donations: Rent an office for weekend work together in peaceful environment, pay for a designer and for a good website and buy some hardware as we can see that our regular computer are very limited for testing our approaches. We would be able to make more simulation and stress-test.

Anyway be ready for the results very soon, i think it will be the first time someone will show you transaction time from a simulated network with three approaches to handle privacy.

We hope to have finish our testing tomorrow or Wednesday.

Looks cool. Following closely!

[auroboros]

projects that seem good, I will probably join your project, but for now I will first see the progress of your project, if it is good later, I will participate in your project

[Izac]

Ambitious project. Wish you all the best ! Look forward to donate some.

[Exterminador de Scam]

For now everyone can be Scam, including Azulik!
So do not hurt until you see some functional code!

If you have some functional code, I want to be a beta tester.

[ActionJackson]

This somehow looks more promising than Manta, Paper and Stone...

[Gusta911]

Meet me at my office tomorrow when you come to work, you both fired

[AzulikProject]

Really sorry we will have to delay our announcement.
We have been working non stop for days and we need a short break.
The good news are that we are done with our simulations and we have the results, we have been able to find a consensus and we have designed a new protocol that  will  be presented with our simulation results.

[Blocklock]

Good day!
I have reviewed Your white paper, only three pages. Where can I find detailed information? The concept itself interested, but want to know the further planning of the project - marketing, management and technology.

[AzulikProject]

Good day!
I have reviewed Your white paper, only three pages. Where can I find detailed information? The concept itself interested, but want to know the further planning of the project - marketing, management and technology.

We will soon provide you further details.
Everything is ready, we hope before the end of the week.

[gunsandbitcoin]

when is free distribution like RaiBlocks?

[Blocklock]

Good day!
I have reviewed Your white paper, only three pages. Where can I find detailed information? The concept itself interested, but want to know the further planning of the project - marketing, management and technology.

We will soon provide you further details.
Everything is ready, we hope before the end of the week.

thank you, waiting for information. Especially interesting is the marketing plan and legal framework for the work!

[AzulikProject]

Are donators going to receive some coins?

Thanks. Keep up the good work!

Yes indeed, a % of the final supply will be shared between all donators.

[iekzdmlbmglvfhg]

I loved the faucet from XRB, so that might be the way. So everyone is equal.

Cheers,
Jack

We also believe faucet distribution if well done is a fair distribution way.
However solving captcha is a bit boring so we'll try to make it more fun.

If captchas will be used, some people will use automatic captcha solvers.

Personally, I prefer a small application which computes some proof of work (based on a lot of RAM, XRB already uses Argon2d) instead of solving captchas, but it appears (from the Manta thread) that some people don't know about automatic captcha solvers.

[iekzdmlbmglvfhg]

Very good Thanks. My turn to do some homework (read the whitepaper). Please post any source code ASAP.
Thanks

Let us know if you have any question.

Regarding the code we will wait a bit, as you mention there is other projects on this niche and even after a month or two they haven't been able to show something, so obviously we don't want our hard work to be stolen from other project. After all we are the most recent one even if we have been working on it for a longer time  

You can use an online notary service, like DigiStamp, to sign a zip (with your code and names inside), to prove that at a specific date you your names were associated with the code.

[AzulikProject]

To be honest i wonder if a good captcha can be solved automatically, i have seen this video about XRB, but the weakness was the unlimited number of try. I'm not sure a bot could solve a capcha at the first time, especially if it's a dynamic one (Once with image, once song, once number) for each fail you wait 1 hour.

However i have to say i really like the approach you propose. It's a very good idea.

[Exterminador de Scam]

To be honest i wonder if a good captcha can be solved automatically, i have seen this video about XRB, but the weakness was the unlimited number of try. I'm not sure a bot could solve a capcha at the first time, especially if it's a dynamic one (Once with image, once song, once number) for each fail you wait 1 hour.

However i have to say i really like the approach you propose. It's a very good idea.

Follow my suggestion and your project will be the best crypto-based DAG!

A personal suggestion from me, no matter the amount that was donated for development, if it is a donation, and not a pre-purchase of medas, I hope you understand what you mean (do not have recompence for donors) if they did donations is because they trust in their work and the reward of them will be a coin with a solid code.

I am not a programmer but I want for the first time a currency that uses technology to create an efficient and fair solution to the problems of currency distribution

cryptocurrencies need a solution for the storage of transactions and because all currencies today have the problem of (Infinity and beyond) we have an efficient solution for this too

ie that the matrices are created in blocks of genesis over a certain time and that they are a way of rewarding full nodes, that they are given directly from the genesis block to the address of the full node (almost a mining) but what I see that for a period of time the network needs to have an incentive to maintain and distribute the feeds effectively and fairly, it may have a difficulty specimen that increases as more nodes enter the network and reward them for the time they are on line keeping the network safe and fast.

I do not know how this will be done or if my idea will be accepted, but I think this will be the best thing for currencies using DAG technology

I hope also that this is not a scam based on the dreams of raiblocks users, time will respond, but for now my suggestion to all is do not make donations until you see some functional code, I hope you do not misunderstand me.

Once again excuse my lousy English

[Worldtokenindex]

Great project to take up, i been following Stone for few weeks and stumbled in here with more dig in. Best of luck and Go Team Azulik. I will try to donate once we have full White paper and Code.

[moneroguru]

I almost fell for Stone, watching Manta closely, and adding Azulik to the list.

Wanted to write why i think byteballs black bytes are not the best way to implement this:
1. It's peer to peer and not stored on the graph, and needs to be exchanged later.
2. To keep them 'yours', you need to either back them up or use multisig wallet to keep them synced.

Neither is ideal.

In one of the messages you mentioned 1. instant transactions OR privacy.

Privacy must be default - this is monero's approach. I concur. IN the end state, if cryptos become the default way of doing payments, not many people will enable privacy, and those that will will be under scrutiny.

Zcash does zkSNARKS but your claim is it's not easy to apply it to DAG (i am not sure, didn't think deeply, and haven't yet read the paper fully). With Zcash there are t- and z- wallets, which are kind of interesting to work with. Didn't look ideal after getting used to monero.

You mentioned privacy would reduce throughput and increae transaction time significantly, by how much?


As for practical aspects:
1. Do you expect to implement light node/wallet (this is on raiblock list) so some reuse may happen.
2. Even with zkSNARKS/etc there's still risk of leaking IP. Monero will be using Kovri for this (and they have explanation why TOR wont work), will you add this to your roadmap?
3. Distribution is still not clear, I Want to get some, either through whatever mechanism is used or through donation - can you make donation percentage allocation clear at some point soon?

Also:
How can I help? I am a SWE in one of the FANG companies with good opensource experience. I find less and less free time after working on my side project, but this looks sufficiently interesting to pause them.

[moneroguru]

Also i didn't see mention of account balance privacy, will that happen?

[lodyman]

Also i didn't see mention of account balance privacy, will that happen?

how would people know that this address belongs to you anyway ?? *just sayin*

[moneroguru]

Also i didn't see mention of account balance privacy, will that happen?

how would people know that this address belongs to you anyway ?? *just sayin*

When you make a sufficiently large purchase, and your balance is now less.
Again, haven't read the paper yet, that's why this may be a moot concern.

[iekzdmlbmglvfhg]

To be honest i wonder if a good captcha can be solved automatically, i have seen this video about XRB, but the weakness was the unlimited number of try. I'm not sure a bot could solve a capcha at the first time, especially if it's a dynamic one (Once with image, once song, once number) for each fail you wait 1 hour.

However i have to say i really like the approach you propose. It's a very good idea.

There are two ways to automatically solve captchas: using OCR (for which complexity matters) and human solved (for which complexity is irrelevant).

The human solved ones make use of an API which distributes the captchas to people all over the world, who solve them manually and are paid for that. These are very cheap because they are solved by people living in places where that money is good money at the end of the month.

Potential errors are not relevant because the page is refreshed and you simply need to a good solving rate. Considering that this can happen continuously, a simple 50% rate is great, although it's much higher for the captchas used by RaiBlocks.

These automatic captcha solvers can also be run concurrently, therefore increasing the yield. It really is no different than a small piece of software generating proofs of work.

In fact, we might even be able to limit the generation of proofs of work by serializing them, by using a counter instead of a timestamp, and each proof of work would have to use the previous proof of work.

This would have to be combined with a registration process for the addresses that would be allowed to participate in the free distribution; for example, between dates X and Y, the users registered on this forum could send you their addresses (one per user); maybe also require a minimum number of posts.



The following would be a possible way to do it:

The process is similar to mining, but very limited in time (and therefore energy) and without the immense complexity of implementing mining into the cryptocurrency itself.

Make a small desktop application which generates a proof of work by using a memory-hard hash algorithm, like Argon2d. The goal is to make CPUs as efficient or more efficient than videocards and ASICs.

Each hash operation should take about 1 minute on an average desktop computer, and use about 2...4 GB of RAM. The chosen time is short because each verification of a proof of work takes the same amount of time.

Every 10 minutes, the application should save the last computed hash in order to minimize the possible loss caused by computer restarts and power failures.

The application would generate a proof of work, starting with the following information:
* A (random) seed which is generated (by the developers of the cryptocurrency) immediately before the final build is made and the application is publicly release. This will prevent the precomputation of the proofs of work.
* A timestamp.
* The user name from the Bitcointalk forum. This has to be registered with the developers of the cryptocurrency. Unregistered users would not receive free cryptocurrency.
* An address for the account which will receive the cryptocurrency.
* Counter which is incremented at every hash; this starts from 1.

The proof of work would consist in a single hash which has as many 0 bits as possible at the beginning of the hash. The number of 0 bits can vary so that the users can decide how many bits they want to generate (because they are rewarded proportionally).

At a specified date X, publicly release the application.

Then allow the users from the Bitcointalk forum to register their user names (and 1 cryptocurrency address per user), with the developers of the cryptocurrency. Unregistered users would not receive free cryptocurrency. Maybe also require a (small) minimum number of posts per user; the posts have to make sense, not simply be noise; this is to minimize the automated registration of users for the purpose of getting free cryptocurrency.

The application can be run for any amount of time, stopped, started again, and so on, since the computed hashes are saved periodically. The proof of work is the last saved hash. The number of 0 bits from the beginning of the proof of work is the "strength" of the proof of work.

At a specified date Y, for example 30 days after date X, the proof of work generated by the application has to be submitted to the developers of the cryptocurrency, by each user.

Each proof of work has to be validated by the developers of the cryptocurrency.

For each valid proof of work, the developers of the cryptocurrency would give to the registered user an amount of cryptocurrency proportional with 2 raised to the power "strength".

The amount of cryptocurrency given to a user should be capped in order to limit how much cryptocurrency a user could get by using a computer farm or a supercomputer.

[fonship]

Wow this looks great and discussion about captcha is very well explain in  above post and its very lightening to read that.
Whitepaper also looks neat, looking forward to see how things progress here.

[steelslo]

Hi,

I have donated a small amount (2 XRB). Hope the project succeds. Do you have any plans when will the testing start? Could you please just confirm that you received my donation?

Thanks.

[Kamlanaut]

Hello,

I am excited for this project as DAG + privacy will be a game changer in the market right now. My concern is there are several projects popping up with the same goal and I am scared which one is legit. I am new to this forum, are donations normal at this point in the development stage?

[Filmmmakerr]

This looks like Manta. Even the ANN feels the same...

[saltassault]

Following because i'm certain 3/4 of the privacy/dag coins are scams......but can't tell which. The whitepaper is brief but good. Covers the high level concepts nicely. Waiting for github

[sat888com]

Sent 2 LTC. Hopefully, it will help to make this idea real.
My TXID: a457c12f0f50fa200fe9fbff1aadd17e5dd7aeab9b9a95c9aad6afab67de3787
Best wishes

[AzulikProject]

Thank you so much for your donations. The FP is updated.

During the weekend we have more time to work full time on Azulik.

Tomorrow you'll get much more information and we hope be amazed by our view of Azulik, our results, our privacy protocol....

We can't wait to be tomorrow.

[littecoin]

Good project, I will be watching this.
As you know, RaiBlocks came up aganist a lot of troubles and the team worked very hard to solve problems.
There will be many challenges, I hope you can do it. Good luck! 

[Avila86]

Raiblocks is one of the most interesting new technologies from my point of view, adding privacy to your project will be innovative as well, but you will also need to improve the wallet. I will be accompanying the project.

One doubt, the project will be similar in the question of available quantities?
Will all mining be done before?

[noblex]

Hi, since I saw you accept help, I apply for the italian translation if you need.

[AzulikProject]

First of all, thank you for all of your messages. They are really documented and very interesting. We will give further details below:


Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks, recursive-ZK-Snakrs (linearisation), and WPI.

As a benchmark, we used a simple DAG. We then simulated transactions/nodes and calculated the time needed.

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/6/1516471445-finalresultsazulik.jpg

On the left, you can see that (among the three approaches) one allows to have transaction time really close to the simple DAG (without privacy). We can confirm these results with the figure on the right where we plotted the difference against the benchmark.


So, here we are, we have selected the Privacy protocol we will apply. We still have some analysis to do, but we are very confident with this approach.

Azulik will be the first Freemium cryptocurrency.
You’ll be able to realise instant, fee-less transactions, and adding privacy will only requiere a very small fee. Read below because what we have to show you is amazing.

First, we need to understand the issue, Raiblocks uses DPOS (delegated proof of stake), hence having complete privacy would hide users’ balances and break the whole DPOS system. The idea is to have two wallets: one public and one private.
So, you are wondering: If  I have the choice, I could put all my Azulik in the private wallet and the DPOS wouldn’t work anymore .

Yes, you are right and that’s why we need an intencive to make people stay in the public wallet and participate in the DPOS. All the fees collected through private transactions will be sent back to the user depending on their Azulik balance.

It means that keeping your Azulik in your public wallet, even if you don’t do transactions, will return you a percentage of the daily fees spent on the private network. One percent of the transaction fees will be split between the nodes, hence you will get paid to run the node. The other 99% will be redistributed to the network. Assuming that the portfolio weight is distributed like a Gaussian law and that the number of transactions is  equal or higher to the number of  users, we can say that, on average, you’ll get 99% of your fees back. 

So even if the fee is very low (and probably dynamic depending on the number of nodes on the network), you’ll get back a lot of the fees you pay for you private transactions. Remember, it’s  still free and instant to send or receive Azulik with your public wallet.



https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516527377-azulikproject.jpg


The main upside is that we will have a natural anti-spam protocol for private transactions, hence we can remove the POW to sending or receiving. It also means that it will make transactions even faster so they can be used in the mobile wallet.

Let’s take an example: You reveive your salary in your public wallet, then you send a part of your salary to your private wallet that you call Shopping Wallet.

Usually with Raiblocks, when you pay for a coffee, the bar can check your balance, where the money came from, and so on. Here, you can use you private wallet to pay and nothing will appear. Your transaction will be shown on the public wallet, but there is no link between the public and private wallet so it’s impossible to know who owns any given public wallet.

We believe this is the most elegant way to apply privacy on a DAG DPOS protocol
Do not hesitate to ask all the questions or concerns you may have, we would be happy to provide further details.


To summarise:

- We have designed and tested our privacy protocol
- Azulik will be more decentralized than Raiblocks
- It will be as fast as raiblocks for both private and public transactions
- Engage loyal users with daily rewards
- Very small fee for private transactions
- On average: private transactions are almost free

What next:

Here, you have everything you need to understand Azulik. We know you want a proper whitepaper and to see some code.

We can say that we will be able to deliver a proper whitepaper in about a month. Regarding the code, we will have to find a secure way to show you. As you know, there are other projects aiming to do the same thing and, in months, they proposed/delivered nothing new besides "We will merge Zk-Snarks and Raiblocks.” We like open source projects but we don't want our hard work to be stolen. So, in a bit of time, I think we will have a clearer picture about these two other projects and we will be able to deliver code. However, on our side, we will start implementing Azulik. To be honest, we can't expect the first test to be done before two or three months.

[Flater]

First of all, thank you for all of your messages. They are really documented and very interesting. We will give further details below:


Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks, recursive-ZK-Snakrs (linearisation), and WPI.

As a benchmark, we used a simple DAG. We then simulated transactions/nodes and calculated the time needed.



On the left, you can see that (among the three approaches) one allows to have transaction time really close to the simple DAG (without privacy). We can confirm these results with the figure on the right where we plotted the difference against the benchmark.


So, here we are, we have selected the Privacy protocol we will apply. We still have some analysis to do, but we are very confident with this approach.

Azulik will be the first Freemium cryptocurrency.
You’ll be able to realise instant, fee-less transactions, and adding privacy will only requiere a very small fee. Read below because what we have to show you is amazing.

First, we need to understand the issue, Raiblocks uses DPOS (delegated proof of stake), hence having complete privacy would hide users’ balances and break the whole DPOS system. The idea is to have two wallets: one public and one private.
So, you are wondering: If  I have the choice, I could put all my Azulik in the private wallet and the DPOS wouldn’t work anymore .

Yes, you are right and that’s why we need an intencive to make people stay in the public wallet and participate in the DPOS. All the fees collected through private transactions will be sent back to the user depending on their Azulik balance.

It means that keeping your Azulik in your public wallet, even if you don’t do transactions, will return you a percentage of the daily fees spent on the private network. One percent of the transaction fees will be split between the nodes, hence you will get paid to run the node. The other 99% will be redistributed to the network. Assuming that the portfolio weight is distributed like a Gaussian law and that the number of transactions is  equal or higher to the number of  users, we can say that, on average, you’ll get 99% of your fees back. 

So even if the fee is very low (and probably dynamic depending on the number of nodes on the network), you’ll get back a lot of the fees you pay for you private transactions. Remember, it’s  still free and instant to send or receive Azulik with your public wallet.






The main upside is that we will have a natural anti-spam protocol for private transactions, hence we can remove the POW to sending or receiving. It also means that it will make transactions even faster so they can be used in the mobile wallet.

Let’s take an example: You reveive your salary in your public wallet, then you send a part of your salary to your private wallet that you call Shopping Wallet.

Usually with Raiblocks, when you pay for a coffee, the bar can check your balance, where the money came from, and so on. Here, you can use you private wallet to pay and nothing will appear. Your transaction will be shown on the public wallet, but there is no link between the public and private wallet so it’s impossible to know who owns any given public wallet.

We believe this is the most elegant way to apply privacy on a DAG DPOS protocol
Do not hesitate to ask all the questions or concerns you may have, we would be happy to provide further details.


To summarise:

- We have designed and tested our privacy protocol
- Azulik will be more decentralized than Raiblocks
- It will be as fast as raiblocks for both private and public transactions
- Engage loyal users with daily rewards
- Very small fee for private transactions
- On average: private transactions are almost free

What next:

Here, you have everything you need to understand Azulik. We know you want a proper whitepaper and to see some code.

We can say that we will be able to deliver a proper whitepaper in about a month. Regarding the code, we will have to find a secure way to show you. As you know, there are other projects aiming to do the same thing and, in months, they proposed/delivered nothing new besides "We will merge Zk-Snarks and Raiblocks.” We like open source projects but we don't want our hard work to be stolen. So, in a bit of time, I think we will have a clearer picture about these two other projects and we will be able to deliver code. However, on our side, we will start implementing Azulik. To be honest, we can't expect the first test to be done before two or three months.

Clearly it's really cool what you have done here, can we know which approache represent ZK-Snarks, recursive-ZK-Snakrs (linearisation), and WPI or your want to keep the results for you at the momment ?

Great job it's very impressive, you protocol is very simple and smart, it's to me the only realistic way to add privacy on Raiblocks.

Well done, great team so far.

[Yodax]

First of all, thank you for all of your messages. They are really documented and very interesting. We will give further details below:


Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks, recursive-ZK-Snakrs (linearisation), and WPI.

As a benchmark, we used a simple DAG. We then simulated transactions/nodes and calculated the time needed.

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/6/1516471445-finalresultsazulik.jpg

On the left, you can see that (among the three approaches) one allows to have transaction time really close to the simple DAG (without privacy). We can confirm these results with the figure on the right where we plotted the difference against the benchmark.


So, here we are, we have selected the Privacy protocol we will apply. We still have some analysis to do, but we are very confident with this approach.

Azulik will be the first Freemium cryptocurrency.
You’ll be able to realise instant, fee-less transactions, and adding privacy will only requiere a very small fee. Read below because what we have to show you is amazing.

First, we need to understand the issue, Raiblocks uses DPOS (delegated proof of stake), hence having complete privacy would hide users’ balances and break the whole DPOS system. The idea is to have two wallets: one public and one private.
So, you are wondering: If  I have the choice, I could put all my Azulik in the private wallet and the DPOS wouldn’t work anymore .

Yes, you are right and that’s why we need an intencive to make people stay in the public wallet and participate in the DPOS. All the fees collected through private transactions will be sent back to the user depending on their Azulik balance.

It means that keeping your Azulik in your public wallet, even if you don’t do transactions, will return you a percentage of the daily fees spent on the private network. One percent of the transaction fees will be split between the nodes, hence you will get paid to run the node. The other 99% will be redistributed to the network. Assuming that the portfolio weight is distributed like a Gaussian law and that the number of transactions is  equal or higher to the number of  users, we can say that, on average, you’ll get 99% of your fees back. 

So even if the fee is very low (and probably dynamic depending on the number of nodes on the network), you’ll get back a lot of the fees you pay for you private transactions. Remember, it’s  still free and instant to send or receive Azulik with your public wallet.



https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516527377-azulikproject.jpg


The main upside is that we will have a natural anti-spam protocol for private transactions, hence we can remove the POW to sending or receiving. It also means that it will make transactions even faster so they can be used in the mobile wallet.

Let’s take an example: You reveive your salary in your public wallet, then you send a part of your salary to your private wallet that you call Shopping Wallet.

Usually with Raiblocks, when you pay for a coffee, the bar can check your balance, where the money came from, and so on. Here, you can use you private wallet to pay and nothing will appear. Your transaction will be shown on the public wallet, but there is no link between the public and private wallet so it’s impossible to know who owns any given public wallet.

We believe this is the most elegant way to apply privacy on a DAG DPOS protocol
Do not hesitate to ask all the questions or concerns you may have, we would be happy to provide further details.


To summarise:

- We have designed and tested our privacy protocol
- Azulik will be more decentralized than Raiblocks
- It will be as fast as raiblocks for both private and public transactions
- Engage loyal users with daily rewards
- Very small fee for private transactions
- On average: private transactions are almost free

What next:

Here, you have everything you need to understand Azulik. We know you want a proper whitepaper and to see some code.

We can say that we will be able to deliver a proper whitepaper in about a month. Regarding the code, we will have to find a secure way to show you. As you know, there are other projects aiming to do the same thing and, in months, they proposed/delivered nothing new besides "We will merge Zk-Snarks and Raiblocks.” We like open source projects but we don't want our hard work to be stolen. So, in a bit of time, I think we will have a clearer picture about these two other projects and we will be able to deliver code. However, on our side, we will start implementing Azulik. To be honest, we can't expect the first test to be done before two or three months.

You're starting to show nice results !
Even if it's optionnal Privacy, the way you seems to find can really work.
I'll be able to help for the French translation, when you will need

[AzulikProject]

You're starting to show nice results !
Even if it's optionnal Privacy, the way you seems to find can really work.
I'll be able to help for the French translation, when you will need

Thank you for your help Yodax, we know you previously suggested it must be  a full privacy protocol, however, it wouldn't be possible to apply a full privacy on a DPOS. So we think our approach is well balanced between keeping Raiblocks philosophy and adding privacy.

[Exterminador de Scam]

First of all, thank you for all of your messages. They are really documented and very interesting. We will give further details below:


Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks, recursive-ZK-Snakrs (linearisation), and WPI.

As a benchmark, we used a simple DAG. We then simulated transactions/nodes and calculated the time needed.

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/6/1516471445-finalresultsazulik.jpg

On the left, you can see that (among the three approaches) one allows to have transaction time really close to the simple DAG (without privacy). We can confirm these results with the figure on the right where we plotted the difference against the benchmark.


So, here we are, we have selected the Privacy protocol we will apply. We still have some analysis to do, but we are very confident with this approach.

Azulik will be the first Freemium cryptocurrency.
You’ll be able to realise instant, fee-less transactions, and adding privacy will only requiere a very small fee. Read below because what we have to show you is amazing.

First, we need to understand the issue, Raiblocks uses DPOS (delegated proof of stake), hence having complete privacy would hide users’ balances and break the whole DPOS system. The idea is to have two wallets: one public and one private.
So, you are wondering: If  I have the choice, I could put all my Azulik in the private wallet and the DPOS wouldn’t work anymore .

Yes, you are right and that’s why we need an intencive to make people stay in the public wallet and participate in the DPOS. All the fees collected through private transactions will be sent back to the user depending on their Azulik balance.

It means that keeping your Azulik in your public wallet, even if you don’t do transactions, will return you a percentage of the daily fees spent on the private network. One percent of the transaction fees will be split between the nodes, hence you will get paid to run the node. The other 99% will be redistributed to the network. Assuming that the portfolio weight is distributed like a Gaussian law and that the number of transactions is  equal or higher to the number of  users, we can say that, on average, you’ll get 99% of your fees back. 

So even if the fee is very low (and probably dynamic depending on the number of nodes on the network), you’ll get back a lot of the fees you pay for you private transactions. Remember, it’s  still free and instant to send or receive Azulik with your public wallet.



https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516527377-azulikproject.jpg


The main upside is that we will have a natural anti-spam protocol for private transactions, hence we can remove the POW to sending or receiving. It also means that it will make transactions even faster so they can be used in the mobile wallet.

Let’s take an example: You reveive your salary in your public wallet, then you send a part of your salary to your private wallet that you call Shopping Wallet.

Usually with Raiblocks, when you pay for a coffee, the bar can check your balance, where the money came from, and so on. Here, you can use you private wallet to pay and nothing will appear. Your transaction will be shown on the public wallet, but there is no link between the public and private wallet so it’s impossible to know who owns any given public wallet.

We believe this is the most elegant way to apply privacy on a DAG DPOS protocol
Do not hesitate to ask all the questions or concerns you may have, we would be happy to provide further details.


To summarise:

- We have designed and tested our privacy protocol
- Azulik will be more decentralized than Raiblocks
- It will be as fast as raiblocks for both private and public transactions
- Engage loyal users with daily rewards
- Very small fee for private transactions
- On average: private transactions are almost free

What next:

Here, you have everything you need to understand Azulik. We know you want a proper whitepaper and to see some code.

We can say that we will be able to deliver a proper whitepaper in about a month. Regarding the code, we will have to find a secure way to show you. As you know, there are other projects aiming to do the same thing and, in months, they proposed/delivered nothing new besides "We will merge Zk-Snarks and Raiblocks.” We like open source projects but we don't want our hard work to be stolen. So, in a bit of time, I think we will have a clearer picture about these two other projects and we will be able to deliver code. However, on our side, we will start implementing Azulik. To be honest, we can't expect the first test to be done before two or three months.

The idea is great, solving 3 problems easily, I'll be waiting for your commit in github to test!

Now you have an idea how to solve the problem of the distribution of the coins ?

[theredhat]

Dag is getting popular now, adding privacy plus less fees and fast tx is a great idea. Many will support this project as I do.

[fracas]

Is this another project without any GitHub?

[KryptoQuant]

That's a very impressive work you have done.
Great idea, great project and the team deliver as promised.

[AzulikProject]

We have updated all our results, and the front page.

Thanks for all your donations, we continue the hard work for all the weekend.

[rorschachx]

Great to see your progress and will be following your project regularly. Hope it becomes a success.
I have a question. Will the donations be valued at rate at the time of donation for distributing 30% of supply of Azulik coins?

[AzulikProject]

Hi,
It will be valued at the rate of the day we stop the donation.

[BlindedCyclops]

Looks like some parts of the whitepaper are copied from this: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a540835.pdf

In particular, Figure 2 of the whitepaper is Figure 8 of the paper I linked. And much of section 4 whitepaper are directly copied. For instance, these sentences appear in both documents:

"The prover (P) chooses randomly an isomorphism PI to permute the G and then sends a commitment to this new graph PI(G)..."
"The permutations used by the prover are unnecessary information for the verifier, as checking that the edges revealed form a path is a simple task
without the knowledge of the permutations"

This is pretty disappointing.

[saltassault]

Diassapointed, for sure.

On the other hand, that's one hell of a report. Where can I buy Airforce Research Labratory Coin?

[moneroguru]

I almost fell for Stone, watching Manta closely, and adding Azulik to the list.

Wanted to write why i think byteballs black bytes are not the best way to implement this:
1. It's peer to peer and not stored on the graph, and needs to be exchanged later.
2. To keep them 'yours', you need to either back them up or use multisig wallet to keep them synced.

Neither is ideal.

In one of the messages you mentioned 1. instant transactions OR privacy.

Privacy must be default - this is monero's approach. I concur. IN the end state, if cryptos become the default way of doing payments, not many people will enable privacy, and those that will will be under scrutiny.

Zcash does zkSNARKS but your claim is it's not easy to apply it to DAG (i am not sure, didn't think deeply, and haven't yet read the paper fully). With Zcash there are t- and z- wallets, which are kind of interesting to work with. Didn't look ideal after getting used to monero.

You mentioned privacy would reduce throughput and increae transaction time significantly, by how much?


As for practical aspects:
1. Do you expect to implement light node/wallet (this is on raiblock list) so some reuse may happen.
2. Even with zkSNARKS/etc there's still risk of leaking IP. Monero will be using Kovri for this (and they have explanation why TOR wont work), will you add this to your roadmap?
3. Distribution is still not clear, I Want to get some, either through whatever mechanism is used or through donation - can you make donation percentage allocation clear at some point soon?

Also:
How can I help? I am a SWE in one of the FANG companies with good opensource experience. I find less and less free time after working on my side project, but this looks sufficiently interesting to pause them.

Azulik people, can you please comment on this?

[AzulikProject]

Diassapointed, for sure.

On the other hand, that's one hell of a report. Where can I buy Airforce Research Labratory Coin?

Hello,
First of all our whitepaper is not currently up to date and will be updated and finished in the coming weeks.
We mentioned that we have several candidate for the privacy protocol and yes one of them is a military protocol used by the US air force and declassified less than 10 years ago.

We have tested these approaches and exposed the results, we believe it would be more interesting to discuss these results as well as our global way to handle privacy as described here:

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516527377-azulikproject.jpg

[AzulikProject]

As for practical aspects:
1. Do you expect to implement light node/wallet (this is on raiblock list) so some reuse may happen.
2. Even with zkSNARKS/etc there's still risk of leaking IP. Monero will be using Kovri for this (and they have explanation why TOR wont work), will you add this to your roadmap?
3. Distribution is still not clear, I Want to get some, either through whatever mechanism is used or through donation - can you make donation percentage allocation clear at some point soon?

Also:
How can I help? I am a SWE in one of the FANG companies with good opensource experience. I find less and less free time after working on my side project, but this looks sufficiently interesting to pause them.

Azulik people, can you please comment on this?

Hello, that is very interresting questions:

1- Light node/wallet will be our top priority, a new version of the synch system has recently been proposed on Github :

This patchset adds a new message type "bulk_pull_blocks" (0x09) which allows one to request from a
node a range of blocks (min_hash to max_hash). Alternatively, the checksum for a range of blocks can
be requested to determine if it is likely that there are new blocks in that range that need to be pulled.

Further, a limited number of blocks can be requested by specifying a non-zero "max_count" argument.

The advantage over the existing bulk_pull (I assume you meant bulk_pull, and not block_pull ?) is that bulk_pull accepts an account as a start and a block as an end, so to use it to synchronize the bootstrap database requires a lot of request-reply cycles, especially for accounts that have few transactions. bulk_pull_blocks accepts a range of blocks, so you can pull in just a set of blocks, alternatively requesting a checksum before doing the transfer to see if the transfer is likely to be needed. This mechanism brings a full sync down to under 5 minutes

We think it will really help to make very efficient light wallet and we will apply the bulk_pull.

2- It's not currently in our roadmap, for us the privacy is something very important for mass adoption. The main priority is to hide wallet balance and transaction if we want people to use Azulik in the real life. What you mentioned could be added in the future but isn't currently our priority.

3- We have updated the first page which should be more clear now about the distribution.

Regarding the help you offer, it's very interesting thank you for that we will discuss together and contact you through private message to check with you.

[zenyfomax1]

Diassapointed, for sure.

On the other hand, that's one hell of a report. Where can I buy Airforce Research Labratory Coin?

Hello,
First of all our whitepaper is not currently up to date and will be updated and finished in the coming weeks.
We mentioned that we have several candidate for the privacy protocol and yes one of them is a military protocol used by the US air force and declassified less than 10 years ago.

We have tested these approaches and exposed the results, we believe it would be more interesting to discuss these results as well as our global way to handle privacy as described here:

The TRON defense

[SeaSoul]

Is this your first ever crypto project or do you bring any experience in blockchain development to the table? Copying something like RaiBlocks and improving it isn't an easy task to do.

[Amicus]

We have updated all our results, and the front page.

Thanks for all your donations, we continue the hard work for all the weekend.

A very nice project, so I am following it.

1. I have just checked your monero address in the explorer. Could you check if it is correct.
2. Please enable the pm for the newbies, so that I can send you email about my support, most probably in raiblocks.

[Exterminador de Scam]

Currently we haven't really dig the distribution process, it's not the top priority as of today. We have to define the supply, the part given to the contributors, the team and through faucet.

It should look like that:

We will study all of your propositions, and the preliminary supply will be 666 millions coins.

30% of the real supply will be distributed pro rata to all our donators. We aim to raise $150,000 to work in the best conditions, hire a designer and webmaster, and start early marketing to make the community grow exponentially.

Each Azulik currently worth: $0.00075.
In other words $1,000 = 1.3 million Azulik.


https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516544766-disribution.jpg

All of this above isn't definitive and could be updated.


At the moment, we want Azulik to work as soon as possible.

I think a fair distribution system would be the coins being distributed as a form of participation for full nodes
But this distribution system for donors is not very reliable, because scammers appear on bitcointalk creating pre-forgeries (not scammers) but it's still too early to trust without seeing the code, if someone wants to give just give what they will not do lack

[Exterminador de Scam]

Do not misunderstand me, I'm very suspicious, but I want you to be able to implement everything you want in (~ Azulik)

[AzulikProject]

We have updated all our results, and the front page.

Thanks for all your donations, we continue the hard work for all the weekend.

A very nice project, so I am following it.

1. I have just checked your monero address in the explorer. Could you check if it is correct.
2. Please enable the pm for the newbies, so that I can send you email about my support, most probably in raiblocks.

Regarding our monero adress it should work, be aware that copy-pasting the adress add a space, you can check it in word for example.

Regarding the pm you should be able to contact us.

[Amicus]

Regarding our monero adress it should work, be aware that copy-pasting the adress add a space, you can check it in word for example.

You mean, the space in the middle? I've kept, still to no success. Any chance you can put a link to the monero explorer, including the address?

Regarding the pm you should be able to contact us.

I've checked the option to receive pms from newbies, and so have been able to send one to you.

[AzulikProject]

Regarding our monero adress it should work, be aware that copy-pasting the adress add a space, you can check it in word for example.

You mean, the space in the middle? I've kept, still to no success. Any chance you can put a link to the monero explorer, including the address?

Regarding the pm you should be able to contact us.

I've checked the option to receive pms from newbies, and so have been able to send one to you.

We sent you all the information thought PM.

[Black_bl]

Hi,
This is a very interesting project, but I'd like to hear more about the choice between fee-less and privacy option. What is the biggest obstacle, implement both features?
Thanks

[Black_bl]

The purpose is adding anonimity function to raiblocks.
But already exist aidos kuneen is DAG+anonimity.
so i think its not innovative.

Hmmm...I looked at the Aidos Kuneen website http://www.aidoskuneen.com/.  No whitepaper, no link to a github. They don't give any real technical information.  They only said that it is based on a DAG and the sender has to verify two other transactions, so it sounds like something similar to IOTA's tangle  The only 'exchange' is something they run themselves apparently (https://aidosmarket.com) and there appears to be zero liquidity.  Looks highly sketchy to me.

You looked really wrong, try it again before you say nonsense. WP is on GitHub, Aidos has own iMesh not Tangle and the own Aidos Market was built because damn cryptoDAO exchange scammed Aidos people and when early investors noticed that cryptoDAO is just scam exchange people didn't believe them.....but they believed a few months later. You definitely should do your homework. At least azulik can do research how merge anonymous and fee-less transaction in DAG https://github.com/AidosKuneen/whitepaper

[rorschachx]

Hi,
When WIP is used, is it the case that it does not guarantee complete privacy in the strictest sense, as the proof or set of proofs is public? Correct me if i am wrong.
As i understand the WIP approach is a compromise between {no privacy but very fast transactions} and {complete privacy using a true zero knowledge protocol but slower transactions}.

[zipapps]

so, basically it's the second MANTA?
dev didn't reveals who they are? and project is somewhat same concept.

[Black_bl]

so, basically it's the second MANTA?
dev didn't reveals who they are? and project is somewhat same concept.

Not sure about that. Azulik seems a little different than Manta and Stone which can be from the same group of developers or scammers. We will see what Azulik's devs deliver in next weeks and months. If this is a legit project so I dare to say that there's a huge potential

[xx63245613]

Great idea!I like DAG and free mining.AZULIK would be next huge project!

[antoinnepy]

Regarding our monero adress it should work, be aware that copy-pasting the adress add a space, you can check it in word for example.

You mean, the space in the middle? I've kept, still to no success. Any chance you can put a link to the monero explorer, including the address?

Regarding the pm you should be able to contact us.

I've checked the option to receive pms from newbies, and so have been able to send one to you.

We sent you all the information thought PM.

I sent a contribution as part donation. I hope this turns out legit. That should make me send more donations towards your end. I really believe this can be a good project.

[AzulikProject]

Front page updated, thank you.

Many of you complain about the name Azulik.

What do you guys think about "Titan" ? Sound short, and strong enough for an anonymous cryptocurrency.

[sat888com]

Front page updated, thank you.

Many of you complain about the name Azulik.

What do you guys think about "Titan" ? Sound short, and strong enough for an anonymous cryptocurrency.

Titan will create silly jokes like "going full Titanic", "same fate as the titanic", etc.
I think it would be good to incorporate "privacy" and "DAG" somehow.
Another idea I have is PHASMA, sounds cool and is Latin for ghost, links to privacy but less to DAG, though.

[Black_bl]

Front page updated, thank you.

Many of you complain about the name Azulik.

What do you guys think about "Titan" ? Sound short, and strong enough for an anonymous cryptocurrency.

I would say whether this coin will be anonymous and nobody can catch you...what about Icarus? Icarus coin sounds good

[xskylarkx]

will there be a testnet open for donators ?

[AzulikProject]

You proposed very interesting names, they all have an history or a real meaning, all short, so who choose in the end, shall we organize a survey ?  

will there be a testnet open for donators ?

Yes Donators will be added to the testnet in priority and other selected peoples.

As you understand the Testnet isn't for tomorow.

We expect to publish the github at the same time as the whitepaper, end of FEB- Beginning of MAR.

[Black_bl]

You proposed very interesting names, they all have an history or a real meaning, all short, so who choose in the end, shall we organize a survey ?  

will there be a testnet open for donators ?

Yes Donators will be added to the testnet in priority and other selected peoples.

As you understand the Testnet isn't for tomorow.

We expect to publish the github at the same time as the whitepaper, end of FEB- Beginning of MAR.

You can do a survey/voting about a few names and we'll see the result

[marlowe52]

Front page updated, thank you.

Many of you complain about the name Azulik.

What do you guys think about "Titan" ? Sound short, and strong enough for an anonymous cryptocurrency.

Paying with titans sounds good to me.

[Blackmuse]

Front page updated, thank you.

Many of you complain about the name Azulik.

What do you guys think about "Titan" ? Sound short, and strong enough for an anonymous cryptocurrency.

Titan will create silly jokes like "going full Titanic", "same fate as the titanic", etc.
I think it would be good to incorporate "privacy" and "DAG" somehow.
Another idea I have is PHASMA, sounds cool and is Latin for ghost, links to privacy but less to DAG, though.

+1 on the titanic thing, that is also the first thing that came to my mind

[Miguelr260]

Are you planning on revealing yourself? Experience? Previous Projects? What university did you attended to? Gifttub? Give us more info and more people might donate. 

[rorschachx]

Hi,
When WIP is used, is it the case that it does not guarantee complete privacy in the strictest sense, as the proof or set of proofs is public? Correct me if i am wrong.
As i understand the WIP approach is a compromise between {no privacy but very fast transactions} and {complete privacy using a true zero knowledge protocol but slower transactions}.

Hi Azulik,
can you answer this question please?

[Worldtokenindex]

As for practical aspects:
1. Do you expect to implement light node/wallet (this is on raiblock list) so some reuse may happen.
2. Even with zkSNARKS/etc there's still risk of leaking IP. Monero will be using Kovri for this (and they have explanation why TOR wont work), will you add this to your roadmap?
3. Distribution is still not clear, I Want to get some, either through whatever mechanism is used or through donation - can you make donation percentage allocation clear at some point soon?

Also:
How can I help? I am a SWE in one of the FANG companies with good opensource experience. I find less and less free time after working on my side project, but this looks sufficiently interesting to pause them.

Azulik people, can you please comment on this?

Hello, that is very interresting questions:

1- Light node/wallet will be our top priority, a new version of the synch system has recently been proposed on Github :

This patchset adds a new message type "bulk_pull_blocks" (0x09) which allows one to request from a
node a range of blocks (min_hash to max_hash). Alternatively, the checksum for a range of blocks can
be requested to determine if it is likely that there are new blocks in that range that need to be pulled.

Further, a limited number of blocks can be requested by specifying a non-zero "max_count" argument.

The advantage over the existing bulk_pull (I assume you meant bulk_pull, and not block_pull ?) is that bulk_pull accepts an account as a start and a block as an end, so to use it to synchronize the bootstrap database requires a lot of request-reply cycles, especially for accounts that have few transactions. bulk_pull_blocks accepts a range of blocks, so you can pull in just a set of blocks, alternatively requesting a checksum before doing the transfer to see if the transfer is likely to be needed. This mechanism brings a full sync down to under 5 minutes

We think it will really help to make very efficient light wallet and we will apply the bulk_pull.

2- It's not currently in our roadmap, for us the privacy is something very important for mass adoption. The main priority is to hide wallet balance and transaction if we want people to use Azulik in the real life. What you mentioned could be added in the future but isn't currently our priority.

3- We have updated the first page which should be more clear now about the distribution.

Regarding the help you offer, it's very interesting thank you for that we will discuss together and contact you through private message to check with you.

Interesting, Watching how it will shape up in coming weeks and months

[AzulikProject]

Are you planning on revealing yourself? Experience? Previous Projects? What university did you attended to? Gifttub? Give us more info and more people might donate.  

Yes we will reveal our Github and whitepaper at the same time in the end of Feb - Beginning of Mar.
Regarding all our private information it's more tricky as we aren't allowed by our work compliance to have outside of business interest. Basically it means we can't work for other companies or for ourself, hence Azulik can be considered as an outside of business interest and we could have trouble working on it. So if we start working full time and we leave our jobs then yes we will reveals all these information.

Hi,
When WIP is used, is it the case that it does not guarantee complete privacy in the strictest sense, as the proof or set of proofs is public? Correct me if i am wrong.
As i understand the WIP approach is a compromise between {no privacy but very fast transactions} and {complete privacy using a true zero knowledge protocol but slower transactions}.

Hi Azulik,
can you answer this question please?

Hello,
Not really the WIP approach is to be compared with the two others approaches, it's purely a privacy protocol. The issue comes from the fact for DPOS you have need access to public balance in order to rank the representative and delegate your vote. Hence the compromise between fast transaction and private transaction is just here to handle the DPOS. Hence for the private transaction you can apply the privacy protocol you want.

I hope it's clear let us know otherwise.

Front page updated, thank you.

Many of you complain about the name Azulik.

What do you guys think about "Titan" ? Sound short, and strong enough for an anonymous cryptocurrency.

Titan will create silly jokes like "going full Titanic", "same fate as the titanic", etc.
I think it would be good to incorporate "privacy" and "DAG" somehow.
Another idea I have is PHASMA, sounds cool and is Latin for ghost, links to privacy but less to DAG, though.

+1 on the titanic thing, that is also the first thing that came to my mind

Once we get enough proposition we will organize a voting, and let you choose the name.

[Luksx1]

If change the name I will not donate, Azulik is ok.

[antoinnepy]

You proposed very interesting names, they all have an history or a real meaning, all short, so who choose in the end, shall we organize a survey ?  

will there be a testnet open for donators ?

Yes Donators will be added to the testnet in priority and other selected peoples.

As you understand the Testnet isn't for tomorow.

We expect to publish the github at the same time as the whitepaper, end of FEB- Beginning of MAR.

I look forward to being added to the testnet. I'd love to get my hands on this real soon.

[Black_bl]

Devs of Azulik can prove their legitimity, it's up only to them! I would like to hear much more details about their visions. It's really sad that in those days people are disappointed. On the other hand, we can't be surprised! Hope that Azulik tries to different approach. I still waiting on your answer via PM Azulik team!

[antoinnepy]

Devs of Azulik can prove their legitimity, it's up only to them! I would like to hear much more details about their visions. It's really sad that in those days people are disappointed. On the other hand, we can't be surprised! Hope that Azulik tries to different approach. I still waiting on your answer via PM Azulik team!

Azulik team, what do you have to say about this post?

[Black_bl]

Is this a scam or serious project? The other similar projects get way more attetion

Who knows, we will have to wait if team bring what they promised. Now Azulik project seems to me more legit than others such as Manta, Stone, Dagger and others, but as I said at the beginning, in this early stage is always risky trust all what devs write and if you are considering to become early adopters you should invest very small amount and once Azulik team delivers more, than you can add more into your stack

[Thecker]

First of all my friend, if you really want donations, you need to start building a roadmap, a better donation system, show the specifications about your project.

[derickonfire]

For distrubtion,

I recommend airdrop to XRB holders, also traditional ANN airdrop with maybe a 5,000 limit (also to grow your Twitter / Discord), and some tokens to be used as node incentive for the first 1-5 years.

Cheers!

[AzulikProject]

Is this a scam or serious project? The other similar projects get way more attetion

Who knows, we will have to wait if team bring what they promised. Now Azulik project seems to me more legit than others such as Manta, Stone, Dagger and others, but as I said at the beginning, in this early stage is always risky trust all what devs write and if you are considering to become early adopters you should invest very small amount and once Azulik team delivers more, than you can add more into your stack

We will do our best to not disappoint our supporter and donator, we are really continuing the hard work on Azulik, we apologies for not being here enough but we want to finish as soon as possible the next step to have make our big announcement here in the coming weeks.

Thanks to all of you for your support, we really appreciate.

[akhan270]

Are you still accepting donations?

[mdodong]

Projects like this will turn out to be a Gem if Dev is serious about the project. Hoping to see source code soon. As well as the final Whitepaper.

Railblocks is one of the great project out there and adding privacy to its feature is really upping the game. Hope to see more of this project.

[AzulikProject]

Are you still accepting donations?

Yes we still accept donations.

[sasa0220]

i'd like to mine this. will it release soon for mining? the distribution is via faucet . was it released ?

[AzulikProject]

i'd like to mine this. will it release soon for mining? the distribution is via faucet . was it released ?

Unfortunately Azulik won't be mineable. 

[fracas]

Projects like this will turn out to be a Gem if Dev is serious about the project. Hoping to see source code soon. As well as the final Whitepaper.

Railblocks is one of the great project out there and adding privacy to its feature is really upping the game. Hope to see more of this project.

I must quote you. If just devs here can make what they are promising it will be for sure a nice and great project. DAG + privacy = definitive coin.

[coinzaq]

Looks very interesting. Will invest with some coins. Good luck guys

[AzulikProject]

Our work on the privacy protocol is now accomplished, it passed all our testing plan. The two last weeks have been very busy for us but the results worth it. 
It allows very fast transaction, almost as fast as a DAG without privacy and much faster than a simple ZK-SNARKs.

We will now merge it with this representation:

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516527377-azulikproject.jpg

And let you know each steps of the project, we are very enthusiast with these results.


Here’s what’s next:

• Finishing a proper whitepaper and public release of the Github the 16th of March
• End of donation the 16th of March
• Wallet development
• Testnet open the first week of april
• Official launch in the beginning of May

In the coming month we will hire people for the team especially to help our new team member with the community management, the marketing of Azulik and exchange listing, feel free to PM.

[CoinMenX]

wew, goodjob, reserved yours 

[Luksx1]

Dev, why you dont do azulik erc-20 tokens for donators? Manta dev did it. After release wallet we will change tokens for coins.

[AzulikProject]

Dev, why you dont do azulik erc-20 tokens for donators? Manta dev did it. After release wallet we will change tokens for coins.

It's a very good idea, we will probably to the same.

[Luksx1]

If u do it I will donate as soon

[Yodax]

Our work on the privacy protocol is now accomplished, it passed all our testing plan. The two last weeks have been very busy for us but the results worth it. 
It allows very fast transaction, almost as fast as a DAG without privacy and much faster than a simple ZK-SNARKs.

We will now merge it with this representation:

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516527377-azulikproject.jpg

And let you know each steps of the project, we are very enthusiast with these results.


Here’s what’s next:

• Finishing a proper whitepaper and public release of the Github the 16th of March
• End of donation the 16th of March
• Wallet development
• Testnet open the first week of april
• Official launch in the beginning of May

In the coming month we will hire people for the team especially to help our new team member with the community management, the marketing of Azulik and exchange listing, feel free to PM.

All right! I've noted in my agenda for March 10th to donate  a bit (what I could afford then ) if your project seems to advance!
I'm still watching, great job so far

[sailorman2439]

You mention that 30% of the 666 million coins are to be given to donors and they are currently $0.00075 each, which implies a market cap of $500k.  Do new donations dilute this at all?  As in, if you doubled the donations, it might then imply a market cap of $1M?

[Miguelr260]

Azulik, you need to create a Discord channel and start growing the community. Well that's if you are legit and serious about this project. I'm still not convinced and will donate once i see progress in the project.

[Konos]

Donation period ends exactly on the same day they wanna release their stuff.
Result: People believe that they are going to miss an investment chance and go in, even though the chance of being scammed is more than high.

To much of a coincidence, I say this should be an obvious warning-signal to everyone.

[littecoin]

Is this a joke?
Releasing whitepaper : 16 March
End of donations: 16 March

[AzulikProject]

Is this a joke?
Releasing whitepaper : 16 March
End of donations: 16 March

No it's not a joke at all, people making donation right now are aware they take risks, once we release the code and the whitepaper, everybody will see how clean is our work and how efficient is our approach for privacy we will get a wave of donation.

It will be a huge decrease of the risks taken by donator, hence it wouldn’t be fair for people having donate before, that some people get the same reward with lower risk. Hence we decided to stop this form of donation at the end of day of our announcement, so we expect to get our target donation in few hours and hence end the donation the 16th of march end of day.

If you think it would be more legit to not give deadline it's your right, however we think it's important to keep the community up to date.

[goldandcrypto]

So devs....I have a dumb question. First I will apologize for not understanding the mechanics of how you will get coins to the donators. Do I have to send you the txn id if I donate? How are you going to know that I donated and how do you get any distribution of coins to donators?

I have been waiting for someone to come up with a coin exactly as you are describing so I am very intrigued by your project. I know this is also a long shot, but if you two are in the SF Bay area, I might even be able to additionally donate some office space for you to use free of charge.

[fracas]

Dev, why you dont do azulik erc-20 tokens for donators? Manta dev did it. After release wallet we will change tokens for coins.

ERC20 coins means that real coins will come in months\years. There will be necessarily a swap too. Do you really think this is a good idea?

[Loosecheck]

Is this a joke?
Releasing whitepaper : 16 March
End of donations: 16 March

hm interesting

[CoiNhA]

Look good. I will donate.

[DeepField]

This is probably a scam, they removed my legitimate question/concern without any reason at all.

Whitepaper release and end of donations at the same date.

Their reasoning is not sufficient at all, stay away from this.

[Flater]

Maybe because this is the third time someone highlight this point and they already replied to this question.

You don't need to spam the topic knowing that you accuse them to be a scam because they deleted your question, which is the same as the one on the top of this page that no one can miss and also on the previous page.


 It's not because you aren't happy with their reply that it's a scam ... I'm pretty happy with their reply which for me means expected end of donation the 16th, as they will get tons of donation (and hit their target) the day the whitepaper and the code are released meaning they are confident with their work.

Really i would prefer someone to challenge them technically speaking, it's public they show it, is it feasible ? i have no idea, i'm not computer science guy, but this is the first time i see something like that so i'm curious, and as far as i understand it's a very strong approach.

In the end stop the FUD and if you think it's not legit explain exactly why it can't be done as they said. I like the project it looks legit but of course i can't be 100% sure however it's fine for me they clean up the FUD as long as someone before you raised the same question.

[Flater]

They said they will share with us their simulation results, they did, they said they will show us how it will handle DPOS and privacy they did, they also mentioned they won't touch the donation funds in the dev wallet and i just checked nothing moved from their wallets. As of today they did what they said, so it's all good to me.

[DeepField]

Maybe because this is the third time someone highlight this point and they already replied to this question.

You don't need to spam the topic knowing that you accuse them to be a scam because they deleted your question, which is the same as the one on the top of this page that no one can miss and also on the previous page.


 It's not because you aren't happy with their reply that it's a scam ... I'm pretty happy with their reply which for me means expected end of donation the 16th, as they will get tons of donation (and hit their target) the day the whitepaper and the code are released meaning they are confident with their work.

Really i would prefer someone to challenge them technically speaking, it's public they show it, is it feasible ? i have no idea, i'm not computer science guy, but this is the first time i see something like that so i'm curious, and as far as i understand it's a very strong approach.

In the end stop the FUD and if you think it's not legit explain exactly why it can't be done as they said. I like the project it looks legit but of course i can't be 100% sure however it's fine for me they clean up the FUD as long as someone before you raised the same question.

Your naive, very naive.

There is ZERO proof, and when they actually release their white paper, donations ends.

It's too much of a coincidence, I mean what it really does say about the people who invest into the project at this stage, is that they are stupid.

You just seem like a paid chill, or an alt.

If you invest at this point with zero proof at all, you are stupid.

[Alexei-Djafarov_LD]

Hello! There is a wish to bring donation on development of the project in ETH! After introduction of donation on your purse ETH to me what that will need to be told you?
Thanks!

[Konos]

You just seem like a paid chill, or an alt.

Agreed.

[AzulikProject]

Hello! There is a wish to bring donation on development of the project in ETH! After introduction of donation on your purse ETH to me what that will need to be told you?
Thanks!

Your question isn't really clear could you please send us a PM and allow newbie to contact you, profile -> Personnal message option and tick Allow newbies to send you PMs.

[goldandcrypto]

Hello! There is a wish to bring donation on development of the project in ETH! After introduction of donation on your purse ETH to me what that will need to be told you?
Thanks!

Your question isn't really clear could you please send us a PM and allow newbie to contact you, profile -> Personnal message option and tick Allow newbies to send you PMs.

I think he/she is asking the same thing I asked in post #183

[AzulikProject]

Sorry we missed this one.

So devs....I have a dumb question. First I will apologize for not understanding the mechanics of how you will get coins to the donators. Do I have to send you the txn id if I donate? How are you going to know that I donated and how do you get any distribution of coins to donators?

I have been waiting for someone to come up with a coin exactly as you are describing so I am very intrigued by your project. I know this is also a long shot, but if you two are in the SF Bay area, I might even be able to additionally donate some office space for you to use free of charge.

Indeed you have to send the transaction id through PM and tell us if you want to make it public in this case we will update the listing on the front page, otherwise we will keep add it to the private list.

Thank you very much for you proposition for SF office unfortunately it's not were we live but we will contact you if we plan to go there.

Feel free to send us a PM if you need further details.

[anglais]

I like what you're aiming for so keen to get involved. Have sent a PM to discuss some points, but had some time this morning so knocked up what I think would be a more fitting brand.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2550ub9.png

[Blackmuse]

Currently we haven't really dig the distribution process, it's not the top priority as of today. We have to define the supply, the part given to the contributors, the team and through faucet.

It should look like that:

We will study all of your propositions, and the preliminary supply will be 666 millions coins.

30% of the real supply will be distributed pro rata to all our donators. We aim to raise $150,000 to work in the best conditions, hire a designer and webmaster, and start early marketing to make the community grow exponentially.

Each Azulik currently worth: $0.00075.
In other words $1,000 = 1.3 million Azulik.


https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516544766-disribution.jpg

All of this above isn't definitive and could be updated.


At the moment, we want Azulik to work as soon as possible.

Hi Devs, if you get the 150k$, will you be working full time on it or still part time? If you don't reach this target, will you allow donations post 16th March?

[Thuidu]

As much as I'd like to be optimistic about this project, it feels like a scam to me.
WISP was a recent coin aiming to do the exact same - Raiblocks + Privacy and as of yesterday they did an exact scam. It's true the developers have not touched any of the donations as of today but there's hardly anything in them and that doesn't mean they won't
WISP - They too were looking for donations before releasing anything of substance to the community. They exit scammed 2 days before the release of their 'simple whitepaper'.
If this were truly a project in the spirit of XRB (now Nano) and Colin, he certainly did not go about it in this manner, yo can even check the old threads.
I want to be a believer in this project but I certainly won't be donating until I see more substance but when I do I will for sure buy into an ICO or whatever
Just my $0.02

[CoinMenX]

severed 

[goldandcrypto]

As much as I'd like to be optimistic about this project, it feels like a scam to me.
WISP was a recent coin aiming to do the exact same - Raiblocks + Privacy and as of yesterday they did an exact scam. It's true the developers have not touched any of the donations as of today but there's hardly anything in them and that doesn't mean they won't
WISP - They too were looking for donations before releasing anything of substance to the community. They exit scammed 2 days before the release of their 'simple whitepaper'.
If this were truly a project in the spirit of XRB (now Nano) and Colin, he certainly did not go about it in this manner, yo can even check the old threads.
I want to be a believer in this project but I certainly won't be donating until I see more substance but when I do I will for sure buy into an ICO or whatever
Just my $0.02

I agree with a lot of what you say. There is always a possibility that every new project is a scam. However, imo (not that it's worth much) these guys come off as genuine. Given the potential, it would be nice if they were more transparent about who they are. If they really believe that they can build this coin with the privacy and technology they have referred to, then unless they are broke and can't afford to quit their jobs now, they should do so and it would help with more donations since they could be more up front. I don't know their situation, but am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. In the meantime, I will donate a small amount in the next few days assuming the project team remains engaged in this form. It would be nice to see them address some of the issues raised.

[PerfectCoinSeeker]

How can we trust you if you can't reveal yourselves? Have you seen all the scams lately? Even if you were to release this project, it still would mean nothing without that trust.

[Miguelr260]

Is this a joke?
Releasing whitepaper : 16 March
End of donations: 16 March

No it's not a joke at all, people making donation right now are aware they take risks, once we release the code and the whitepaper, everybody will see how clean is our work and how efficient is our approach for privacy we will get a wave of donation.

It will be a huge decrease of the risks taken by donator, hence it wouldn’t be fair for people having donate before, that some people get the same reward with lower risk. Hence we decided to stop this form of donation at the end of day of our announcement, so we expect to get our target donation in few hours and hence end the donation the 16th of march end of day.

If you think it would be more legit to not give deadline it's your right, however we think it's important to keep the community up to date.

So you are saying people donating right now are aware that this may or may not be a scam and therefore risk and win or dont and miss out? Apparently you don't really need the donations at the moment, otherwise you'll be more transparent. Can't really give you the benefit of the doubt atm. Ill keep following this project behind the scenes. Can't really trust anybody anymore this days, most projects are scams.

[bersan.k]

you are right, I feel same about these DAG's projects, really hope that one day we'll have something real

[Thecker]

How to attract the community for your project
1 - Faucet distribution can create an activi community, no donation, similiar to Railblocks project, only voluntary donations.
2 - Website
3 - Reveal your identity
4 - Github
5 - Linkedin
6 - Code
7 - Whitepaper
8 - Show the progress
9 - Telegram, Discord
10 - Voilá

[Worldtokenindex]

How to attract the community for your project
1 - Faucet distribution can create an activi community, no donation, similiar to Railblocks project, only voluntary donations.
2 - Website
3 - Reveal your identity
4 - Github
5 - Linkedin
6 - Code
7 - Whitepaper
8 - Show the progress
9 - Telegram, Discord
10 - Voilá

I agree. I see three DAG projects announced with fast lightning network, feeless and adding privacy based on Raiblocks Success. Hope someone succeed doing this. I been working since 6 months on one product myself but never thought of going in forums and asking for money until you have something to show in hand "Working Product".

Anyway's Manta, Stone, Azulik hope someone succeed doing this. I been following all these three treads closely love to see working product. I really admire the way Raiblocks done and solve biggest problem exist in Crypto, Speed and Transaction Fees. I Congratulate Raiblocks Dev Team on their success, and wish a bigger success with their new band name change "Nano".

[roberval123]

When will the faucet open?

[antoinnepy]

I agree. I see three DAG projects announced with fast lightning network, feeless and adding privacy based on Raiblocks Success. Hope someone succeed doing this. I been working since 6 months on one product myself but never thought of going in forums and asking for money until you have something to show in hand "Working Product".

If you are working on something and it seems promising, perhaps you can engage others in the community and see what two heads can come up with. Collaboration could really help.

[bozzyboo]

Dev,

Could you at least tell us some general information about yourselves - what kind of company is it (tech, software, etc?), what country are you guys from?

[Worldtokenindex]

I agree. I see three DAG projects announced with fast lightning network, feeless and adding privacy based on Raiblocks Success. Hope someone succeed doing this. I been working since 6 months on one product myself but never thought of going in forums and asking for money until you have something to show in hand "Working Product".

If you are working on something and it seems promising, perhaps you can engage others in the community and see what two heads can come up with. Collaboration could really help.

I agree collaboration can bring better enhancements in a project, I never thought of it but may be in future when i feel it's ready for main stream. I again hope Azulik team succeed in what they try to achieve with this project.

[sqbit]

Could be nice if Azulik delivers 2nd version of their whitepaper soon, before the opening for donations is closed.

[pinkyspeed]

This project looks very promising. I would like to read the white paper as soon as possible.

[operabit]

I agree. I see three DAG projects announced with fast lightning network, feeless and adding privacy based on Raiblocks Success. Hope someone succeed doing this. I been working since 6 months on one product myself but never thought of going in forums and asking for money until you have something to show in hand "Working Product".

If you are working on something and it seems promising, perhaps you can engage others in the community and see what two heads can come up with. Collaboration could really help.

Collaboration will add better performance, so it's better if anyone invites collaboration you need to approve it and immediately create something new.

[goldandcrypto]

How to attract the community for your project
1 - Faucet distribution can create an activi community, no donation, similiar to Railblocks project, only voluntary donations.
2 - Website
3 - Reveal your identity
4 - Github
5 - Linkedin
6 - Code
7 - Whitepaper
8 - Show the progress
9 - Telegram, Discord
10 - Voilá

Perfectly put! It doesn't look like the Devs have posted anything since Jan 30th. Has anyone received a PM from them since then? Odd that they seem to have gone awol as I really liked the concept they presented.

[Black_bl]

Any news Azulik? There's a silence for a week, i think that one important thing is communicate, hope i will hear about you soon

[derickonfire]

Any news Azulik? There's a silence for a week, i think that one important thing is communicate, hope i will hear about you soon

Ditto!

Dev updates or gonski?

[AzulikProject]

Hey sorry about that,
as we currently don't have many new things to announce, we have been focusing on the development part.
It's on going and we expect to meet the deadline for the code and whitepaper release, thank you for your support and all your messages.

 

[AzulikProject]

How to attract the community for your project
1 - Faucet distribution can create an activi community, no donation, similiar to Railblocks project, only voluntary donations.
2 - Website
3 - Reveal your identity
4 - Github
5 - Linkedin
6 - Code
7 - Whitepaper
8 - Show the progress
9 - Telegram, Discord
10 - Voilá

All of that is planed, especially the Code and Whitepaper soon. Once it's released, we believe there will be no doubt that our work is more than legit.

Perfectly put! It doesn't look like the Devs have posted anything since Jan 30th. Has anyone received a PM from them since then? Odd that they seem to have gone awol as I really liked the concept they presented.

We replied to you, as we mentioned we use more our topic to make announcement, it's probably not the best way to do, but we think that the code will speaks for itself, so it's currently our top priority.

Dev,

Could you at least tell us some general information about yourselves - what kind of company is it (tech, software, etc?), what country are you guys from?

Sure we met at the university where we graduated with a computational science and engineering master. Alex did a PHD in data analysis and machine learning while i started to work for financial company specialized in telecommunication and high frequency trading. Then we got an opportunity in a well known tech company. Alex is from India and has the American nationality and i'm from Germany and we both left the US after our study to work in europe.

[strelok25]

Your preliminary work looks very impressive, i like the way you explain that simply adding ZK-SNARKs won't solve the problem and you are really thinking about an alternative.I will be following this project,i think privacy coins are going to be big this year.

[fonship]

Is this a joke?
Releasing whitepaper : 16 March
End of donations: 16 March

No it's not a joke at all, people making donation right now are aware they take risks, once we release the code and the whitepaper, everybody will see how clean is our work and how efficient is our approach for privacy we will get a wave of donation.

It will be a huge decrease of the risks taken by donator, hence it wouldn’t be fair for people having donate before, that some people get the same reward with lower risk. Hence we decided to stop this form of donation at the end of day of our announcement, so we expect to get our target donation in few hours and hence end the donation the 16th of march end of day.

If you think it would be more legit to not give deadline it's your right, however we think it's important to keep the community up to date.

Ok to counter that, If your project need more donation. Why not do like those who put blind bet before 16th Mar have more risk, so they will get extra for their risk, like lets say they will get 1.5 coins per $1.
And those who invest afteer 16th march will get 1 coin for $1.

In this way you will have enough donation and more support and your early risk takers will get rewarded.
I do not see any problem in this approach and it will clear all doubts.

Also, can you prove someway that those linkedIn accounts are authentic or can we reach out to those accounts and confirm if they are aware that they are part of this project.
Or should we ask our friends in those companies to check if those guys exist and doing this project?
Any merits appreciated!

[AzulikProject]

Is this a joke?
Releasing whitepaper : 16 March
End of donations: 16 March

No it's not a joke at all, people making donation right now are aware they take risks, once we release the code and the whitepaper, everybody will see how clean is our work and how efficient is our approach for privacy we will get a wave of donation.

It will be a huge decrease of the risks taken by donator, hence it wouldn’t be fair for people having donate before, that some people get the same reward with lower risk. Hence we decided to stop this form of donation at the end of day of our announcement, so we expect to get our target donation in few hours and hence end the donation the 16th of march end of day.

If you think it would be more legit to not give deadline it's your right, however we think it's important to keep the community up to date.

Ok to counter that, If your project need more donation. Why not do like those who put blind bet before 16th Mar have more risk, so they will get extra for their risk, like lets say they will get 1.5 coins per $1.
And those who invest afteer 16th march will get 1 coin for $1.

In this way you will have enough donation and more support and your early risk takers will get rewarded.
I do not see any problem in this approach and it will clear all doubts.

Also, can you prove someway that those linkedIn accounts are authentic or can we reach out to those accounts and confirm if they are aware that they are part of this project.
Or should we ask our friends in those companies to check if those guys exist and doing this project?
Any merits appreciated!

The donation will continue till we hit our target, we just expect to hit it on the day we release the code and the whitepaper.

Which Linkedin accounts are you referring to ?

[anglais]

I like what you're aiming for so keen to get involved. Have sent a PM to discuss some points, but had some time this morning so knocked up what I think would be a more fitting brand.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2550ub9.png

Further to previous design here are some more concepts for the icon itself. See below for the general idea of how A is combined with Z.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2jchfso.jpg

[AzulikProject]

I like what you're aiming for so keen to get involved. Have sent a PM to discuss some points, but had some time this morning so knocked up what I think would be a more fitting brand.

Further to previous design here are some more concepts for the icon itself. See below for the general idea of how A is combined with Z.

It's very nice of you, we will send you a PM to discuss it, as you seem to have skills in design and infographic.

[goldandcrypto]

Just sent you guys a very small donation. Please confirm you received it and I will then send the full donation I am committed to

Txn ID 0x73232559b4596488cffe8c3c56aa9ef25ca989496b87643c187399fd7d4c7ab1

[jendervan]

I see the project azulik project is quite promising, yes I agree with your idea .. collaboration can bring better enhancements in a project, I think will provide benefits for the project .. the idea of ​​this project really interesting to me, the concept is clear and a strong goal, I see this project has a team that is quite sololid and experienced .. i think it would be profitable if invest in this project, hopefully all targets can be achieved and successful

[Blackmuse]

Nice to hear back from the devs again, looking forward to see that git hub!

[AzulikProject]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

[Black_bl]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Exactly, if you delivered clean work in the middle March i guess your $150 000 goal will be reached very soon after that. Then we can focus on promotion and spreading wird about your project, good luck!

[goldandcrypto]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Exactly, if you delivered clean work in the middle March i guess your $150 000 goal will be reached very soon after that. Then we can focus on promotion and spreading wird about your project, good luck!

Good job on the front page update.  Really looking forward to a privacy oriented DAG coin.

[ltcvtcgrs]

It's kind of weird asking people to donate money to people who do not want to identify. If I know the people, I'll enjoy make a donation to this project.

[riskthebiscuit]

Just sent you guys a very small donation. Please confirm you received it and I will then send the full donation I am committed to

Txn ID 0x73232559b4596488cffe8c3c56aa9ef25ca989496b87643c187399fd7d4c7ab1

Don't worry dude that is what crypto is all about. I am not much bigger just a sent a sliver more than you, don't fret about the $. We all here to see decentralized coins integrated into the economy

TXID for me: 0x502a1fb70f6a8a1c70cae49dae7fa4f7721c03789ed2bded2dfc5add164c1584

Look forward to seeing this project come to fruition dev

[AzulikProject]

Just sent you guys a very small donation. Please confirm you received it and I will then send the full donation I am committed to

Txn ID 0x73232559b4596488cffe8c3c56aa9ef25ca989496b87643c187399fd7d4c7ab1

Don't worry dude that is what crypto is all about. I am not much bigger just a sent a sliver more than you, don't fret about the $. We all here to see decentralized coins integrated into the economy

TXID for me: 0x502a1fb70f6a8a1c70cae49dae7fa4f7721c03789ed2bded2dfc5add164c1584

Look forward to seeing this project come to fruition dev

The list of donators is updated.
We should very soon have a website, thanks to all of you, what a great community.

[StoneSoup]

Just sent you guys a very small donation. Please confirm you received it and I will then send the full donation I am committed to

Txn ID 0x73232559b4596488cffe8c3c56aa9ef25ca989496b87643c187399fd7d4c7ab1

Don't worry dude that is what crypto is all about. I am not much bigger just a sent a sliver more than you, don't fret about the $. We all here to see decentralized coins integrated into the economy

TXID for me: 0x502a1fb70f6a8a1c70cae49dae7fa4f7721c03789ed2bded2dfc5add164c1584

Look forward to seeing this project come to fruition dev

The list of donators is updated.
We should very soon have a website, thanks to all of you, what a great community.

If you start delivering real code (even unfinished but showing you know what you are talking about) I think you will see incredible amounts of support - like 1000 times what you have seen so far. This is a coin that is very highly desired and all we want is a non scam development so we can all get on board fully. If I was 100% sure of such a development, I would put in many times more both in terms of financing and my time and effort. I know I'm not alone in that and you could be the next top 10 or maybe even top 5 coin. It is up to you to deliver but if you do, you will change your life forever and be like a god to many .

Keep up the coding and keep us informed (we get nervous when it gets too quiet from you guys ).

Thanks for all your efforts, we are really rooting for you!!!

[antoinnepy]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Azulik devs, I'm rooting for you. Make it happen!
Don't be like Manta who have done an exit scam already

[zenyfomax1]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Azulik devs, I'm rooting for you. Make it happen!
Don't be like Manta who have done an exit scam already

so manta is a confirmed scam? and the others not (yet)?

[antoinnepy]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Azulik devs, I'm rooting for you. Make it happen!
Don't be like Manta who have done an exit scam already

so manta is a confirmed scam? and the others not (yet)?

For now, Manta is probably confirmed scam. Others, we don't know yet.

[StoneSoup]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Azulik devs, I'm rooting for you. Make it happen!
Don't be like Manta who have done an exit scam already

so manta is a confirmed scam? and the others not (yet)?

For now, Manta is probably confirmed scam. Others, we don't know yet.

Not necessarily but possibly, decide for yourself (seems a lot of effort to come up with this when they could just go quiet or write penis), this is their last post:

Hey everyone!

We're just making an update post to inform the community of our current development and goals for Manta.

As previously mentioned, we're currently working on some issues that we've come across with double-spends and security issues, as well as the weighted balance mechanism that is necessary for Manta to work that is still in development.

We want to make it clear that we want Manta to be one of the best currencies out there, as a currency with a clear improvement in use cases that triumphs others. Because of this, we are not starting faucets/distribution until Manta is fully developed and ready for use, and due to the previously mentioned issues and the fact that it's still in development, we're unable to give a concrete date as of right now, although we will release a road-map once we have a timeline in which we can expect Manta to be ready for release.

Another thing that we're doing is expanding our development team to expedite the release of Manta as much as possible, and we're looking forward to having access to a more powerful team as a whole.

One thing we will be doing is temporarily locking this thread as the majority of recent comments have been FUD or simply repeats of the same questions, such as questions pertaining to timelines.

We will re-open this thread when we're closer to release and have an updated timeline so that meaningful discussion can take place.

Overall, this project has become more difficult than expected to our team, though we will do everything in our power to change the way commerce is enacted through Manta, no matter how much effort it takes.

Cheers and Regards,

Brian, Jason, and Nikhil

[vindermarch]

Well, I'm interested in offers that offer decentralized, no cost, anonymous, and instant free crypto. Who does not want something free? I think your project will be a success. And also offers a very tight privacy security. VERY COOL

[AzulikProject]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Azulik devs, I'm rooting for you. Make it happen!
Don't be like Manta who have done an exit scam already

so manta is a confirmed scam? and the others not (yet)?

For now, Manta is probably confirmed scam. Others, we don't know yet.

Our point is that what Manta and Stone say they will do isn't feasible.

Their way to see things is too simple, and i have never seen one of them address the DPOS with privacy issue, nor being challenged with their approach. Feel free to ask as many technical questions as you want for Azulik, we are very comfortable with our protocol.

[antoinnepy]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Azulik devs, I'm rooting for you. Make it happen!
Don't be like Manta who have done an exit scam already

so manta is a confirmed scam? and the others not (yet)?

For now, Manta is probably confirmed scam. Others, we don't know yet.

Our point is that what Manta and Stone say they will do isn't feasible.

Their way to see things is too simple, and i have never seen one of them address the DPOS with privacy issue, nor being challenged with their approach. Feel free to ask as many technical questions as you want for Azulik, we are very comfortable with our protocol.

What additional details/update do you have for the community regarding your WIP approach?

[Black_bl]

We have updated the front page, nice to see all your support we are well aware we have to deliver very clean work as we all believe here that XRB with privacy will be the coin of the year.

Azulik devs, I'm rooting for you. Make it happen!
Don't be like Manta who have done an exit scam already

so manta is a confirmed scam? and the others not (yet)?

For now, Manta is probably confirmed scam. Others, we don't know yet.

Our point is that what Manta and Stone say they will do isn't feasible.

Their way to see things is too simple, and i have never seen one of them address the DPOS with privacy issue, nor being challenged with their approach. Feel free to ask as many technical questions as you want for Azulik, we are very comfortable with our protocol.

I would like to ask about hash based signature XMSS, if you were considering pros and cons to add XMSS to the Azulik code and to provide your explanation

[Afkbio]

Hi, I own a discord server for discussing DAG coins. Every DAG is listed and has its own channel.
https://discord.gg/auFsMSD.
Feel free to join us ! See ya. 

[AzulikProject]

What additional details/update do you have for the community regarding your WIP approach?

As you can see on the image below we actually didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs  which is basically a linearisation of the ZK-Snakrs  making it much faster, however it require more computation power but our simulations and testes revealed that it's actually widely feasible.
 
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/6/1516471445-finalresultsazulik.jpg

I would like to ask about hash based signature XMSS, if you were considering pros and cons to add XMSS to the Azulik code and to provide your explanation

For the hash used, we will stay with Blake2, after reading JP Aumasson books it would convince everyone that it's currently one of the most efficient hash function. For Azulik the hash algorithm isn't used for proof of work and the hash chosen doesn't really bring upside whereas using hash based signature XMSS  would bring complexity and probably instability. (To be honest we aren't very familiar with XMSS).

[StoneSoup]

What additional details/update do you have for the community regarding your WIP approach?

As you can see on the image below we actually didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs  which is basically a linearisation of the ZK-Snakrs  making it much faster, however it require more computation power but our simulations and testes revealed that it's actually widely feasible.
 
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/6/1516471445-finalresultsazulik.jpg

I would like to ask about hash based signature XMSS, if you were considering pros and cons to add XMSS to the Azulik code and to provide your explanation

For the hash used, we will stay with Blake2, after reading JP Aumasson books it would convince everyone that it's currently one of the most efficient hash function. For Azulik the hash algorithm isn't used for proof of work and the hash chosen doesn't really bring upside whereas using hash based signature XMSS  would bring complexity and probably instability. (To be honest we aren't very familiar with XMSS).

Image does not show anything useful at all and certainly does not show that you:

didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs

There is an unspecified baseline and Approach 1 2 and 3 which are also completely unspecified. It is basically useless, lets be honest.

Perhaps you could indicate what each of the approaches and the baseline are. That would make it actually useful.

[AzulikProject]

Image does not show anything useful at all and certainly does not show that you:

didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs

There is an unspecified baseline and Approach 1 2 and 3 which are also completely unspecified. It is basically useless, lets be honest.

Perhaps you could indicate what each of the approaches and the baseline are. That would make it actually useful.

You are right indeed, it's just that the image is well know from our community as it's on the front page:

Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks (3), recursive-ZK-Snakrs (2) (linearisation), and WPI (1).

We should have provided more details, thank you for asking.

[BaladinC]

Very nice the linearisation is pretty obvious on your picture.
Can you give us more details how you handle DPOS and privacy, i mean if i go there:

https://raiblocks.net/page/representatives.php

I can see that the first representative has 21 millions coins, and it should even be possible to check all the people who delegate to this representative and check their balance. If you hide balance how DPOS will work ?

[StoneSoup]

Image does not show anything useful at all and certainly does not show that you:

didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs

There is an unspecified baseline and Approach 1 2 and 3 which are also completely unspecified. It is basically useless, lets be honest.

Perhaps you could indicate what each of the approaches and the baseline are. That would make it actually useful.

You are right indeed, it's just that the image is well know from our community as it's on the front page:

Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks (3), recursive-ZK-Snakrs (2) (linearisation), and WPI (1).

We should have provided more details, thank you for asking.

Thanks for the clarification.

So WPI is faster but I'm assuming you went with recursive zkSnarks because it is not too much slower and I'm guessing it has other advantages over WPI? Perhaps easier to implement?

[sat888com]

I made a logo design for AZULIK.
The layers represent both the block lattice technology and the different levels of privacy.


https://i.imgur.com/PZ3p93B.png

[gotojedi]

How do I donate? Just send coins to your address? Or do you want me to leave a message to you?

Please let me know.

[AzulikProject]

Very nice the linearisation is pretty obvious on your picture.
Can you give us more details how you handle DPOS and privacy, i mean if i go there:

https://raiblocks.net/page/representatives.php

I can see that the first representative has 21 millions coins, and it should even be possible to check all the people who delegate to this representative and check their balance. If you hide balance how DPOS will work ?

Indeed it's a good point, DPOS and privacy are two things which seem to be not compatible. Howerver we proposed this protocol that we are currently implementing :


https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/03/7/1516527377-azulikproject.jpg

it allows to have two layers a full anonymous coin, as well as a DPOS.

Image does not show anything useful at all and certainly does not show that you:

didn't chose the WIP approach, we used a recursive-ZK-Snakrs

There is an unspecified baseline and Approach 1 2 and 3 which are also completely unspecified. It is basically useless, lets be honest.

Perhaps you could indicate what each of the approaches and the baseline are. That would make it actually useful.

You are right indeed, it's just that the image is well know from our community as it's on the front page:

Here are the main results of our simulations. We will try to keep it clear and easy for everyone. Please feel free to ask for further details. The idea here is to test three approaches: ZK-Snarks (3), recursive-ZK-Snakrs (2) (linearisation), and WPI (1).

We should have provided more details, thank you for asking.

Thanks for the clarification.

So WPI is faster but I'm assuming you went with recursive zkSnarks because it is not too much slower and I'm guessing it has other advantages over WPI? Perhaps easier to implement?

Yes indeed, the Zk-snarks is a well known process, stable and easier to use and implement given the low difference with WPI we decided to use the linearisation.

[AzulikProject]

thanks to our community, so impressed by this first version of the website mock-up:

https://image.ibb.co/gJoyWS/AZL_mockup_v1.png

[steelslo]

Is it possible to add XRP (Ripple) to donation list? A lot of people has XRP and transfer is really cheap. And I would like to add that the site preview looks promising

[AzulikProject]

Is it possible to add XRP (Ripple) to donation list? A lot of people has XRP and transfer is really cheap. And I would like to add that the site preview looks promising

It's not currently planned as XRB is free to transfer as well, however if there is demand we will set it.

Edit: added on the front page: rUSG7uEQ9A4PpWd3TvqWwvEiNjvD18QRpR

[cryptosheeple]

What's the total number of coins?

[antoinnepy]

You have two different logos on the first page. You should stick with one.

[AzulikProject]

You have two different logos on the first page. You should stick with one.

You are right, it's actually ongoing, we are working on the logo.

[StoneSoup]

What's the total number of coins?

I think I read somewhere that it is 666 million. Not sure why the devilish number but easy to remember I guess.

[BaladinC]

What's the total number of coins?

I think I read somewhere that it is 666 million. Not sure why the devilish number but easy to remember I guess.

Yes indeed it's 666 millions i guess because it's 5 times the Nano (XRB) supply, and i read they wanted an higher supply.

[AzulikProject]

Yes that's it, 5 times the nano supply.

[goldandcrypto]

What's the total number of coins?

I think I read somewhere that it is 666 million. Not sure why the devilish number but easy to remember I guess.

Yes indeed it's 666 millions i guess because it's 5 times the Nano (XRB) supply, and i read they wanted an higher supply.

do you guys think 666 million is enough? I think I remember seeing that the devs want this to be used by everyone, for everything. If you think about how many USD, EUR, GBP, CNY, and JPY, not to mention all the other currencies of the world in in the world (The lastest M2 of USD is 18.5 trillion) the supply should be higher....otherwise the value of each Azulik coin will be very high. Not sure that matters or not unless you want the value in terms of other fiat currencies is reflects a number that is manageable. No one wants to pay for a coffee or taxi using 0.0001247 (or whatever) coins. Maybe this is a bridge to cross in the future. Would love to hear what some of the more seasoned crypto users think.

[AzulikProject]

What's the total number of coins?

I think I read somewhere that it is 666 million. Not sure why the devilish number but easy to remember I guess.

Yes indeed it's 666 millions i guess because it's 5 times the Nano (XRB) supply, and i read they wanted an higher supply.

do you guys think 666 million is enough? I think I remember seeing that the devs want this to be used by everyone, for everything. If you think about how many USD, EUR, GBP, CNY, and JPY, not to mention all the other currencies of the world in in the world (The lastest M2 of USD is 18.5 trillion) the supply should be higher....otherwise the value of each Azulik coin will be very high. Not sure that matters or not unless you want the value in terms of other fiat currencies is reflects a number that is manageable. No one wants to pay for a coffee or taxi using 0.0001247 (or whatever) coins. Maybe this is a bridge to cross in the future. Would love to hear what some of the more seasoned crypto users think.

Exactly our thought, in another hand we have to think about the distribution. How to distribute many coins through faucet ? It's not easy, if we find an optimal way to distribute hence we will increase the supply.

[antoinnepy]

What's the total number of coins?

I think I read somewhere that it is 666 million. Not sure why the devilish number but easy to remember I guess.

Yes indeed it's 666 millions i guess because it's 5 times the Nano (XRB) supply, and i read they wanted an higher supply.

do you guys think 666 million is enough? I think I remember seeing that the devs want this to be used by everyone, for everything. If you think about how many USD, EUR, GBP, CNY, and JPY, not to mention all the other currencies of the world in in the world (The lastest M2 of USD is 18.5 trillion) the supply should be higher....otherwise the value of each Azulik coin will be very high. Not sure that matters or not unless you want the value in terms of other fiat currencies is reflects a number that is manageable. No one wants to pay for a coffee or taxi using 0.0001247 (or whatever) coins. Maybe this is a bridge to cross in the future. Would love to hear what some of the more seasoned crypto users think.

Exactly our thought, in another hand we have to think about the distribution. How to distribute many coins through faucet ? It's not easy, if we find an optimal way to distribute hence we will increase the supply.

I don't think there's any use increasing the supply to meet ALL THE WORLD's demand. Come on! That's newbie thinking. Bitcoin serves its purpose magnificently in spite of being priced high (minus, of course, the slowness of transaction). Decimals can be introduced to reflect whole values like is being done for BTC now. You aim is not meeting whatever M2 supply, but introducing a useful currency that serves its purpose.

[BaladinC]

No you want a currency which is easy to use on daily basis, and of course you don't want to match the M2 supply but you don't want neither to have to pay for a coffee 0.000000000125 Azulik. People would be confused, it's much easier to pay 2 Azulik for example. It's just the human brain which is like that. On top of that newbie investor like cheap coin in nominal as they believe it double easier (which is silly we agree).

[antoinnepy]

No you want a currency which is easy to use on daily basis, and of course you don't want to match the M2 supply but you don't want neither to have to pay for a coffee 0.000000000125 Azulik. People would be confused, it's much easier to pay 2 Azulik for example. It's just the human brain which is like that. On top of that newbie investor like cheap coin in nominal as they believe it double easier (which is silly we agree).

Smaller value azulik could be defined as microAzuliks. 0.000000000125 Azulik could easily be 0.125picoAzulik. These days, even BTC is now written as mBTC.

[BaladinC]

What would be the downside for you to have an higher supply ?

[ltcvtcgrs]

If 50 usd go throw 50 people its made a PIB of 2500 usd. The money needs circulate, I think 66,600,000,000,000,000 from the miminum amount (satoshi equivalent of azulik) if more than enought. Don't worry about one value like 0.000234 because we will use softwares to pay.

[ltcvtcgrs]

I think the total of coins is good. If one person donate 1 ltc and today 1 ltc value is X and in 03/16 is Y the coins to distribute will be by donate X or Y ?

[AzulikProject]

I think the total of coins is good. If one person donate 1 ltc and today 1 ltc value is X and in 03/16 is Y the coins to distribute will be by donate X or Y ?

It's a good question we should make it clear it will be max(X,Y).

[Thaxbrath]

Saya pemula dalam hal ini, mohon bimbingan pada master master semua,,

[StoneSoup]

I think the total of coins is good. If one person donate 1 ltc and today 1 ltc value is X and in 03/16 is Y the coins to distribute will be by donate X or Y ?

It's a good question we should make it clear it will be max(X,Y).

Earlier you said:

It will be valued at the rate of the day we stop the donation.

Can you confirm that this is indeed a change and you will allocate coins based on the max value of either the day the donation was made or the day the donations closed?

So if I donated 100 coins and they are worth $100 the day I donate them and then on the day that donations close the coins are worth $50 I will still get $100 worth of coins? Similarly, if the coins are worth $200 on the day donations close then I will get $200 worth of coins?

Thanks

[AzulikProject]

I think the total of coins is good. If one person donate 1 ltc and today 1 ltc value is X and in 03/16 is Y the coins to distribute will be by donate X or Y ?

It's a good question we should make it clear it will be max(X,Y).

Earlier you said:

It will be valued at the rate of the day we stop the donation.

Can you confirm that this is indeed a change and you will allocate coins based on the max value of either the day the donation was made or the day the donations closed?

So if I donated 100 coins and they are worth $100 the day I donate them and then on the day that donations close the coins are worth $50 I will still get $100 worth of coins? Similarly, if the coins are worth $200 on the day donations close then I will get $200 worth of coins?

Thanks

Yes we confirm,
as the decision to not cash out our dev wallet till we need it for the marketing (...)  is our decision we don't want to impact the donators.
Hence we will value max of the price between the donation date and the day we cash out, hence what you said is correct.

[Kenoa]

1. Could you provide any update on the tech, your research, any detail?
2. The number of coins, 666, did you make it on purpose to be like that? You may know that to some people it is, so to say, unpleasant association.
3. The testnet on the April 1st? Do you say it with the grain of resposibility? So, you are basically preparing now the testnet for the launch?

[AzulikProject]

1. Could you provide any update on the tech, your research, any detail?
2. The number of coins, 666, did you make it on purpose to be like that? You may know that to some people it is, so to say, unpleasant association.
3. The testnet on the April 1st? Do you say it with the grain of resposibility? So, you are basically preparing now the testnet for the launch?

The protocol is explained at high level in the front page, we are done with the research part, and we are currently working on the implementation itself, we haven't faced any particular difficulty as of now, it's on going and we do our best to be on time.
The number 666 is basically 5 times the Nano supply, yes it may be unpleasant for some people, but we are sure it's less obvious if we say the supply will be: 666,241,445 Azulik.
We will do our best to have the testnet ready asap, our main work is currently on the code as we want everything to be working on our side to share it with you by the 16th of march. It's a very short deadline, and we do our best, we work almost every evening and every weekends on it.

[BaladinC]

Amazing project if it goes to the end it will be the best coin of 2018/2019, for once i'm at the early stage of a nice project, i'm very excited.

[zyle]

How to attract the community for your project
1 - Faucet distribution can create an activi community, no donation, similiar to Railblocks project, only voluntary donations.
2 - Website
3 - Reveal your identity
4 - Github
5 - Linkedin
6 - Code
7 - Whitepaper
8 - Show the progress
9 - Telegram, Discord
10 - Voilá

All of that is planed, especially the Code and Whitepaper soon. Once it's released, we believe there will be no doubt that our work is more than legit.

Perfectly put! It doesn't look like the Devs have posted anything since Jan 30th. Has anyone received a PM from them since then? Odd that they seem to have gone awol as I really liked the concept they presented.

We replied to you, as we mentioned we use more our topic to make announcement, it's probably not the best way to do, but we think that the code will speaks for itself, so it's currently our top priority.

Dev,

Could you at least tell us some general information about yourselves - what kind of company is it (tech, software, etc?), what country are you guys from?

Sure we met at the university where we graduated with a computational science and engineering master. Alex did a PHD in data analysis and machine learning while i started to work for financial company specialized in telecommunication and high frequency trading. Then we got an opportunity in a well known tech company. Alex is from India and has the American nationality and i'm from Germany and we both left the US after our study to work in europe.

'financial company specialized in telecommunication and high frequency trading'?  How does that work ? you mean to say you were working in Wall Street developing tech for Qualcomm/Ericsson and trading there part time? please help me understand or maybe you are confused, you most likely did work in a call center running high frequency scams. So, Alex had a PHD thesis on both Data analysis and machine learning ? Which one was it ? get real dude

[AzulikProject]

I would be more than happy to clarify your query for you. In the interim, you are more than welcome to browse online to dig deeper into all that high frequency trading encompasses. Telecommunication is a key part of the HFT as milliseconds, which in retrospect translates to millions. Therefore, within this technology, fibers and microwaves are used to transfer information. Some companies are specialising solely in building infrastructures- which essentially consists of telecommunication- as a means to beat their competitor and do trades faster than anyone else. Call it as you will, but indeed it is still within the realm of telecommunication. With regards to the PHD inquiry, please check online yourself for further information, but in laments terms, the cause of big  data and machine learning clearly implies data analysis.

[goldandcrypto]

1. Could you provide any update on the tech, your research, any detail?
2. The number of coins, 666, did you make it on purpose to be like that? You may know that to some people it is, so to say, unpleasant association.
3. The testnet on the April 1st? Do you say it with the grain of resposibility? So, you are basically preparing now the testnet for the launch?

The protocol is explained at high level in the front page, we are done with the research part, and we are currently working on the implementation itself, we haven't faced any particular difficulty as of now, it's on going and we do our best to be on time.
The number 666 is basically 5 times the Nano supply, yes it may be unpleasant for some people, but we are sure it's less obvious if we say the supply will be: 666,241,445 Azulik.
We will do our best to have the testnet ready asap, our main work is currently on the code as we want everything to be working on our side to share it with you by the 16th of march. It's a very short deadline, and we do our best, we work almost every evening and every weekends on it.

Personally, I like a lot of supply, but I would not use the 666mm, even if its only the first three digits. I can only imagine what some of the naysayers will say based upon the number's association in certain religions with the devil. Wouldn't it make sense just to have a nice round number, say.... 700,000,000? Or is there something about the mathematical protocol that makes that undesirable or difficult?

[goldandcrypto]

Does anyone have a good understanding of the benefits / drawbacks of DAG based systems v all the hype going on around HashGraph? Other than the fact that the hashgraph is controlled by an private entitiy (which in itself makes it a non starter for me). Specifically from a scaleability, speed, or security perspective.

[BaladinC]

Does anyone have a good understanding of the benefits / drawbacks of DAG based systems v all the hype going on around HashGraph? Other than the fact that the hashgraph is controlled by an private entitiy (which in itself makes it a non starter for me). Specifically from a scaleability, speed, or security perspective.

Hashgraph is just DAG. It used algorithm and consensus mechanism are different. Not open source, we can't really know what is done, it's all about hype and marketing for the moment.

[Afkbio]

Hi, I own a discord server for discussing DAG coins. Every DAG is listed and has its own channel.

https://discord.gg/auFsMSD.

Feel free to join us ! See ya.  

[derderder]

Why aren't the private transactions free aswell?

[Worldtokenindex]

Guys, It's big scam around Dag technology with privacy add on coin posts between Stone, Manta, Azulik mostly all the threads might have started by same person or group. They all try to collect donations upfront before you see any code on Github, no Escrow and mentioning testnet release on same day as last day of donation ends. Nothing happen in other two projects.

It might be same team doing this thread also, i kind of see similar line of plans and just nice graphics, cut and paste info from different resources and trying to make quick money with no real proof of code or work. Beware of these scammers, I really donated little money in Stone and realized it's waste of doing until you see code and real product.

[StoneSoup]

Guys, It's big scam around Dag technology with privacy add on coin posts between Stone, Manta, Azulik mostly all the threads might have started by same person or group. They all try to collect donations upfront before you see any code on Github, no Escrow and mentioning testnet release on same day as last day of donation ends. Nothing happen in other two projects.

It might be same team doing this thread also, i kind of see similar line of plans and just nice graphics, cut and paste info from different resources and trying to make quick money with no real proof of code or work. Beware of these scammers, I really donated little money in Stone and realized it's waste of doing until you see code and real product.

People here know this full well ad have decided to take the risk or not to take the risk. We will see what happens Maybe none, maybe 1 maybe all will happen but we just don't know for sure. We can wait and see, that is all. If you feel really strongly about it, then create a DAG coin with privacy yourself and publish code before taking donations. I'll back you all the way and I think you will have hundreds more backers.

[AzulikProject]

Why aren't the private transactions free aswell?

A very interesting question - thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Firstly, to understand it better we must delve into all that is represented by the Delegate Proof of Stake (DPOS). Simply put it is a protocol where all the users (owning coin) delegate their vote to a representative. The vote is then weighted by the balance of the wallet. In the end the representatives, which act like the minors to maintain the network, will validate the transaction whereas at least 51% of the network must validate a transaction for it to proceed. The 51% is determined using the entire portfolio of wallet balances.
Hence having a private wallet means that the balance will not  be displayed. The DPOS will therefore not function. To bypass this issue we have develloped a public wallet and an alias private wallet. The public wallet delegates his voting rights to a representative as the balance is public. Take into consideration we now have a public and a private wallet.

Let’s say there are no fees. It’s clear all users would prefer to enjoy the privacy feature and in turn keep their coin shares in the private wallet- yet this would lead to the issue of running the DPOS off track as the representative would no longer  be legitimate as they would represent a very small part of the network. Therefore the fees in place are an incentive to make people keep their coin in their public wallet and run node.

Furthermore, 1% of the fees will be used to remunerate the nodes, and 99% of the fees will be paid back to the network depending of their number of shares in coin. Hence, in average, if the number of transactions are higher than the number of user, each user will get back 99% of the fees paid. The 1% remaining will allow a more decentralized network for both public and private transactions. On top of that, public transactions remain free of charge, and the fee for private transactions will be very very low.

[StoneSoup]

Why aren't the private transactions free aswell?

A very interesting question - thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Firstly, to understand it better we must delve into all that is represented by the Delegate Proof of Stake (DPOS). Simply put it is a protocol where all the users (owning coin) delegate their vote to a representative. The vote is then weighted by the balance of the wallet. In the end the representatives, which act like the minors to maintain the network, will validate the transaction whereas at least 51% of the network must validate a transaction for it to proceed. The 51% is determined using the entire portfolio of wallet balances.
Hence having a private wallet means that the balance will not  be displayed. The DPOS will therefore not function. To bypass this issue we have develloped a public wallet and an alias private wallet. The public wallet delegates his voting rights to a representative as the balance is public. Take into consideration we now have a public and a private wallet.

Let’s say there are no fees. It’s clear all users would prefer to enjoy the privacy feature and in turn keep their coin shares in the private wallet- yet this would lead to the issue of running the DPOS off track as the representative would no longer  be legitimate as they would represent a very small part of the network. Therefore the fees in place are an incentive to make people keep their coin in their public wallet and run node.

Furthermore, 1% of the fees will be used to remunerate the nodes, and 99% of the fees will be paid back to the network depending of their number of shares in coin. Hence, in average, if the number of transactions are higher than the number of user, each user will get back 99% of the fees paid. The 1% remaining will allow a more decentralized network for both public and private transactions. On top of that, public transactions remain free of charge, and the fee for private transactions will be very very low.

I'm not sure I understood fully but would it be possible to use a separate coin (like Gas is to Neo) but with very little or no value for the payments? Introducing a fee is always going to be unpopular I think but if the fee coin is really cheap and plentiful then maybe it won't matter. I'm thinking it should be like one ten thousandth of a cent or something like that.

Anyway thanks for answering the question. Hope all is going well with the coding, any updates are very welcome and reassuring.

[BaladinC]

To me it’s a very smart approach, indeed, if you don’t have fees all user would store their coin in the private wallet, hence Sybil attack would be much easier to perform.

I really see how to use it in daily life, I receive funds on my public wallet, they are public, but as long as it’s not possible to link me with these transaction it’s all good.

So basically on my mobile wallet I will have my public and private wallet, I can transfer immediately some funds from my public to my private wallet, and they become untraceable as nor the transaction nor the balance can be accessed right ?
And  let say I go buy a coffee, I use my private wallet to pay, I’ll pay a small fee, and in the end of the day I’ll get back fees depending of my balance on my public wallet ? Hence it means If I spend coin using my private wallet my fees will be paid back, if I don’t spend I’ll be remunerated to delegate my vote to a representative, to me it sound amazing as long as the fee is low.

It's like a freemium version of Nano, it's like XRB for public transaction, but if you want another feature it's possible but for a very small fee.

[anglais]

Are you still checking azulikproject@yandex.com email?

[AzulikProject]

Why aren't the private transactions free aswell?

A very interesting question - thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Firstly, to understand it better we must delve into all that is represented by the Delegate Proof of Stake (DPOS). Simply put it is a protocol where all the users (owning coin) delegate their vote to a representative. The vote is then weighted by the balance of the wallet. In the end the representatives, which act like the minors to maintain the network, will validate the transaction whereas at least 51% of the network must validate a transaction for it to proceed. The 51% is determined using the entire portfolio of wallet balances.
Hence having a private wallet means that the balance will not  be displayed. The DPOS will therefore not function. To bypass this issue we have develloped a public wallet and an alias private wallet. The public wallet delegates his voting rights to a representative as the balance is public. Take into consideration we now have a public and a private wallet.

Let’s say there are no fees. It’s clear all users would prefer to enjoy the privacy feature and in turn keep their coin shares in the private wallet- yet this would lead to the issue of running the DPOS off track as the representative would no longer  be legitimate as they would represent a very small part of the network. Therefore the fees in place are an incentive to make people keep their coin in their public wallet and run node.

Furthermore, 1% of the fees will be used to remunerate the nodes, and 99% of the fees will be paid back to the network depending of their number of shares in coin. Hence, in average, if the number of transactions are higher than the number of user, each user will get back 99% of the fees paid. The 1% remaining will allow a more decentralized network for both public and private transactions. On top of that, public transactions remain free of charge, and the fee for private transactions will be very very low.

I'm not sure I understood fully but would it be possible to use a separate coin (like Gas is to Neo) but with very little or no value for the payments? Introducing a fee is always going to be unpopular I think but if the fee coin is really cheap and plentiful then maybe it won't matter. I'm thinking it should be like one ten thousandth of a cent or something like that.

Anyway thanks for answering the question. Hope all is going well with the coding, any updates are very welcome and reassuring.

Can you give us more details about the two coins, why do you think it would be better ? Do not hesitate to tell us which point isn't clear.

To me it’s a very smart approach, indeed, if you don’t have fees all user would store their coin in the private wallet, hence Sybil attack would be much easier to perform.

I really see how to use it in daily life, I receive funds on my public wallet, they are public, but as long as it’s not possible to link me with these transaction it’s all good.

So basically on my mobile wallet I will have my public and private wallet, I can transfer immediately some funds from my public to my private wallet, and they become untraceable as nor the transaction nor the balance can be accessed right ?
Yes you are right.
And  let say I go buy a coffee, I use my private wallet to pay, I’ll pay a small fee, and in the end of the day I’ll get back fees depending of my balance on my public wallet ?
Yes you got it
Hence it means If I spend coin using my private wallet my fees will be paid back, if I don’t spend I’ll be remunerated to delegate my vote to a representative, to me it sound amazing as long as the fee is low.

It's like a freemium version of Nano, it's like XRB for public transaction, but if you want another feature it's possible but for a very small fee.

Are you still checking azulikproject@yandex.com email?

No we don't please send us private message.

[Worldtokenindex]

Guys, It's big scam around Dag technology with privacy add on coin posts between Stone, Manta, Azulik mostly all the threads might have started by same person or group. They all try to collect donations upfront before you see any code on Github, no Escrow and mentioning testnet release on same day as last day of donation ends. Nothing happen in other two projects.

It might be same team doing this thread also, i kind of see similar line of plans and just nice graphics, cut and paste info from different resources and trying to make quick money with no real proof of code or work. Beware of these scammers, I really donated little money in Stone and realized it's waste of doing until you see code and real product.

People here know this full well ad have decided to take the risk or not to take the risk. We will see what happens Maybe none, maybe 1 maybe all will happen but we just don't know for sure. We can wait and see, that is all. If you feel really strongly about it, then create a DAG coin with privacy yourself and publish code before taking donations. I'll back you all the way and I think you will have hundreds more backers.

It's just a warning to newbies who don't understand Crypt world yet? The Nano Developer worked for 2 years before release of product with no donations asked and distributed token thru Faucet, Bounty etc free to forum members. I am working on much bigger scope of coin than just DAG and privacy will announce once i get to stage where product is ready.

I still love to see Azulik project to succeed but not in collecting donations before they have something solid working product. I am against scamming people i hope you too?

[yvesmarquez11]

hope that you can share some more information here so that other investors can follow and support your project.well looking impressive ideas of this project,wishing more success to come for this

[StoneSoup]

Guys, It's big scam around Dag technology with privacy add on coin posts between Stone, Manta, Azulik mostly all the threads might have started by same person or group. They all try to collect donations upfront before you see any code on Github, no Escrow and mentioning testnet release on same day as last day of donation ends. Nothing happen in other two projects.

It might be same team doing this thread also, i kind of see similar line of plans and just nice graphics, cut and paste info from different resources and trying to make quick money with no real proof of code or work. Beware of these scammers, I really donated little money in Stone and realized it's waste of doing until you see code and real product.

People here know this full well ad have decided to take the risk or not to take the risk. We will see what happens Maybe none, maybe 1 maybe all will happen but we just don't know for sure. We can wait and see, that is all. If you feel really strongly about it, then create a DAG coin with privacy yourself and publish code before taking donations. I'll back you all the way and I think you will have hundreds more backers.

It's just a warning to newbies who don't understand Crypt world yet? The Nano Developer worked for 2 years before release of product with no donations asked and distributed token thru Faucet, Bounty etc free to forum members. I am working on much bigger scope of coin than just DAG and privacy will announce once i get to stage where product is ready.

I still love to see Azulik project to succeed but not in collecting donations before they have something solid working product. I am against scamming people i hope you too?

I don't mind the warning at all, it just gets out of hand sometimes with accusations based on nothing. Some people seem to make a career out of scam calling  which I don't agree with. I would be very interested to hear more about your project, perhaps you can pm me the details as probabl not appropriate to hijack this thread.

[AzulikProject]

Dear community be ready for the website very soon,
thank you for your trust and support.

[ltcvtcgrs]

How we will receive the coins if we don't have any register of users ?
Imagine I send X coins of ltc. How you will send me the coins if I don't have Azulik Wallet ? The control will be only the forum (if this forum stop work) ?
If you can't have a official work and do another things at home like create a cryptocoin, you can put another person on team that doesn't have this limitation and can show your identity to the public. I like the project, but ask money without any identification doesn't seems a good thing. See the team of projects like Electroneum, Groestlcoin and another crypto that are not scam, they introduce the team to the public, if the developers can't appear, just put on team one or two people that can help and show the identity. I can type wrong some words because I'm not very good on english.

[antoinnepy]

Dear community be ready for the website very soon,
thank you for your trust and support.

Great! Will you be revealing your team on the website?

[rapi]

I think this project will be successful in the future. Because the project is not cost or free.

[Black_bl]

No you want a currency which is easy to use on daily basis, and of course you don't want to match the M2 supply but you don't want neither to have to pay for a coffee 0.000000000125 Azulik. People would be confused, it's much easier to pay 2 Azulik for example. It's just the human brain which is like that. On top of that newbie investor like cheap coin in nominal as they believe it double easier (which is silly we agree).

This issue is marketing issue, it's like you pay in japanase yen dozens thousands but only a few hunderds in dollars. However you're right that many people don't understand well this counting. Question is if 666 millions will be low supply, hard to expect that Azulik will become crypto number one

[Black_bl]

I would be more than happy to clarify your query for you. In the interim, you are more than welcome to browse online to dig deeper into all that high frequency trading encompasses. Telecommunication is a key part of the HFT as milliseconds, which in retrospect translates to millions. Therefore, within this technology, fibers and microwaves are used to transfer information. Some companies are specialising solely in building infrastructures- which essentially consists of telecommunication- as a means to beat their competitor and do trades faster than anyone else. Call it as you will, but indeed it is still within the realm of telecommunication. With regards to the PHD inquiry, please check online yourself for further information, but in laments terms, the cause of big  data and machine learning clearly implies data analysis.

Sounds good, do you know RSJ? And would be fine if you answered me PMs (2-3 week old) i would like to know your opinion

[Thuidu]

I'm looking forward to seeing the website. It will be an indicator of legitimacy but what about testnet?
There hasn't been further mention of the faucet either. The timeline looks extremely optimistic if the project is indeed real
And finally, can the devs confirm that they moved a portion of the donations from the nano wallet. This would be contrary to their earlier statement

[qq316085607]

I will be following this project,I think privacy coins are going to be big this year (also DAG coins)
Reserve Chinese translation please, if in need

[AzulikProject]

I would be more than happy to clarify your query for you. In the interim, you are more than welcome to browse online to dig deeper into all that high frequency trading encompasses. Telecommunication is a key part of the HFT as milliseconds, which in retrospect translates to millions. Therefore, within this technology, fibers and microwaves are used to transfer information. Some companies are specialising solely in building infrastructures- which essentially consists of telecommunication- as a means to beat their competitor and do trades faster than anyone else. Call it as you will, but indeed it is still within the realm of telecommunication. With regards to the PHD inquiry, please check online yourself for further information, but in laments terms, the cause of big  data and machine learning clearly implies data analysis.

Sounds good, do you know RSJ? And would be fine if you answered me PMs (2-3 week old) i would like to know your opinion

We will reply to your PM, sorry about that we get so many everyday.

I'm looking forward to seeing the website. It will be an indicator of legitimacy but what about testnet?
There hasn't been further mention of the faucet either. The timeline looks extremely optimistic if the project is indeed real
And finally, can the devs confirm that they moved a portion of the donations from the nano wallet. This would be contrary to their earlier statement

The timeline is indeed optimistic and just a draft for the mockup of the website, the next point is the 16th of march. Then we will adapt the timeline if needed.
We confirm we moved a portion of the donation from the nano wallet, it has been discussed directly with the donator who prefer to remain anonymous.

[Exterminador de Scam]

Dear community be ready for the website very soon,
thank you for your trust and support.

We need #code first

[koguma]

Why not use the Zerocoin protocol?

[Exterminador de Scam]

Why not use the Zerocoin protocol?

[Exterminador de Scam]

Why not use the Zerocoin protocol?

Azulik among others pre ann of dag+privacy has no code yet and you are talking about zerocoin? lol

[AzulikProject]

The code release date has been announced already.

[Jility]

Hope to see Azulik soon.

[knitano]

Is there any code available for review at this point?

[rawspe]

Is there any code available for review at this point?

No public code yet. We have to wait for March 16th to see.

[fonship]

So is this also going on the way of manta and stone, or do we have some real work here
these days, random dag projects just popped up, be careful guys.

[antoinnepy]

So is this also going on the way of manta and stone, or do we have some real work here
these days, random dag projects just popped up, be careful guys.

Dev has been communicative, unlike with Manta and Stone. I believe we'll see some real progress here.

[Zerebokep]

Any word regarding today's withdrawal?

[goldandcrypto]

Any word regarding today's withdrawal?

What was the withdrawal?

[rawspe]

Any word regarding today's withdrawal?

This looked very weird to me, until I realized that nanode is the one that's weird. It look like the devs have not opened their wallet up yet to receive the new send block, so nanode shows it as a pending send which is in red, but it will become a receive block which will show in the wallet as green. It's weird that nanode shows it as a pending send in red when it should be incoming as green. The website makes it look like the wallet is spending more than it has, but I guess asynchronous payments makes things a bit weird. 

[Black_bl]

So is this also going on the way of manta and stone, or do we have some real work here
these days, random dag projects just popped up, be careful guys.

Dev has been communicative, unlike with Manta and Stone. I believe we'll see some real progress here.

Yes that guy was communicated a month ago, but unfortunately is not anymore, at least in my personal case

[xiaopioo]

can i donate eth?and when can get the azulikcoins?

[Zerebokep]

Any word regarding today's withdrawal?

This looked very weird to me, until I realized that nanode is the one that's weird. It look like the devs have not opened their wallet up yet to receive the new send block, so nanode shows it as a pending send which is in red, but it will become a receive block which will show in the wallet as green. It's weird that nanode shows it as a pending send in red when it should be incoming as green. The website makes it look like the wallet is spending more than it has, but I guess asynchronous payments makes things a bit weird. 

Thanks for clearing this up.

[ltcvtcgrs]

AzulikProject said:

Thank you, i will add you to the list of donator.
We will keep the funds in the dev wallet and not touch it, we will justify each use we make with your funds such as our office rental and hardware things for our new office or a company to work on the website...

[hallizh]

Made a donation, sent PM.

[goldandcrypto]

Anyone out there have an opinion on which coin has the best GUI for a wallet?

[Black_bl]

Anyone out there have an opinion on which coin has the best GUI for a wallet?

I would say that you seek solution on a wrong place

[silentneedle]

I'm about to donate but there are two points which are a little worrisome to me.

1. There was another member who requested a statement from the developers regarding the copied parts of the dtic pdf, it seems that post got deleted, why?

2. Some funds of the nano donation address have been moved, I've read somewhere in the thread that it got moved because one of the donators want to stay private. This doesn't make sense to me, as everyone can check all incoming/outgoing transactions. Could you please elaborate?

p.s. just in case this post gets deleted, be sure that I'll definitely move this discussion to reddit if that happens.

[Coinky]

Any update on testnet ? Has the donation period over or are you still accepting donations ?
I am interested to donate,if everything is going as planned and I if can see some code

[goldandcrypto]

Any update on testnet ? Has the donation period over or are you still accepting donations ?
I am interested to donate,if everything is going as planned and I if can see some code

I believe the devs will show their code at the same time they deliver the final white paper (March 16 is what they have said). A question for all of you out there that understand open source code as I don’t know the first thing about coding. If the devs post all of their code for everyone to see it couldn’t someone just copy it and create a clone coin?

[antoinnepy]

Any update on testnet ? Has the donation period over or are you still accepting donations ?
I am interested to donate,if everything is going as planned and I if can see some code

I believe the devs will show their code at the same time they deliver the final white paper (March 16 is what they have said). A question for all of you out there that understand open source code as I don’t know the first thing about coding. If the devs post all of their code for everyone to see it couldn’t someone just copy it and create a clone coin?

Technically yes. But the clone will go hardly any far and is sure destined for the dumps, if it comes to everyone's knowledge it was a copy.

[isGlocked]

I'm about to donate but there are two points which are a little worrisome to me.

1. There was another member who requested a statement from the developers regarding the copied parts of the dtic pdf, it seems that post got deleted, why?

2. Some funds of the nano donation address have been moved, I've read somewhere in the thread that it got moved because one of the donators want to stay private. This doesn't make sense to me, as everyone can check all incoming/outgoing transactions. Could you please elaborate?

p.s. just in case this post gets deleted, be sure that I'll definitely move this discussion to reddit if that happens.

that was me. i posted-- dev what say you? to the images i found in DAG FOMO discord
https://i.imgur.com/08FYbRI.png
https://imgur.com/a/efuoh
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2696095.msg28786249#msg28786249

I DM'd AZULIKproject here and explained the projected was great in theory, was excited, and if legit let me help spread the word before 3/16 date. Asked for more transparency and additional clarification/detail to share. I received the following DM responses in summary..

#1 we've already answered/responded to this...
That was it... based on my research the original concern was deleted and posted to a different thread by mistake or as a last resort. We still do not have clarity...

#2 if you want to help, dont spread fear and delete your post
So okay I thought, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, delete the post and see if I get info. I received the second DM above within 30 minutes of my re so I was hopeful. It has been 72 hours since and I have received no additional info.

The Nano dev team is aware of this Pre-Ann, as +B told me directly in Discord. The caution against any project in Pre-Ann requesting donations as they do not support this.

All that said, I'm reposting for the community to make their own decisions.

My take: Maybe it's a scam, maybe they're trying and it wont work, maybe they stumble onto something legit. Who knows. 

Bottom line: I'm hopeful, no FUD, no FOMO, just going to wait until 3/16 and see what happens. Time will sort everything out.

[Black_bl]

I'm about to donate but there are two points which are a little worrisome to me.

1. There was another member who requested a statement from the developers regarding the copied parts of the dtic pdf, it seems that post got deleted, why?

2. Some funds of the nano donation address have been moved, I've read somewhere in the thread that it got moved because one of the donators want to stay private. This doesn't make sense to me, as everyone can check all incoming/outgoing transactions. Could you please elaborate?

p.s. just in case this post gets deleted, be sure that I'll definitely move this discussion to reddit if that happens.

that was me. i posted-- dev what say you? to the images i found in DAG FOMO discord
https://i.imgur.com/08FYbRI.png
https://imgur.com/a/efuoh
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2696095.msg28786249#msg28786249

I DM'd AZULIKproject here and explained the projected was great in theory, was excited, and if legit let me help spread the word before 3/16 date. Asked for more transparency and additional clarification/detail to share. I received the following DM responses in summary..

#1 we've already answered/responded to this...
That was it... based on my research the original concern was deleted and posted to a different thread by mistake or as a last resort. We still do not have clarity...

#2 if you want to help, dont spread fear and delete your post
So okay I thought, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, delete the post and see if I get info. I received the second DM above within 30 minutes of my re so I was hopeful. It has been 72 hours since and I have received no additional info.

The Nano dev team is aware of this Pre-Ann, as +B told me directly in Discord. The caution against any project in Pre-Ann requesting donations as they do not support this.

All that said, I'm reposting for the community to make their own decisions.

My take: Maybe it's a scam, maybe they're trying and it wont work, maybe they stumble onto something legit. Who knows.  

Bottom line: I'm hopeful, no FUD, no FOMO, just going to wait until 3/16 and see what happens. Time will sort everything out.

I think we will find the truth on 16th May, maybe later, if Azulik post something about delay. Until we will see own whitepaper and code is pretty hard to believe that this coin will be next "golden egg"

[Jility]

So, where is the Homepage? I am looking at this project for some time, and am not convinced yet to support or just watch.
Anything to show here?

[Jility]

As far as I have understand, adding provacy comes with the downside of introducing fees as DPOS comes in play. Therefor, it is not fee-less anymore. I encourage you to find another solution.

[mevote]

Vamos a ver que futuro tiene este proyecto, me gustaria que fuera real

[goldandcrypto]

Vamos a ver que futuro tiene este proyecto, me gustaria que fuera real

We all want it to be real my friend. we all do.

[ltcvtcgrs]

Just give money to anonymous people without any guarantee of product delivery.

[AzulikProject]

To our donators,

A member asked us in PM about the fund withdrawal.
We have been deeply shocked to see that the funds are not in our donation wallet anymore.
All the donations were sent to our cold wallets. These paper wallets were only stored in an encrypted USB key and we backup our seeds in an encrypted .rar file. We sent this file to our-self through email.
The USB key being still with us, we tried to connect to our email account and the following message appeared:

https://image.ibb.co/nRx3oS/hackproof.jpg

Our private keys have been stolen from our email account.
It seems unbelievable that we stored such sensible information online, but this email address doesn't exist for other people. We used it to create our account here and store our seeds backup, nothing else.  No-one should know about this email address.
Few days after someone on the forum asked us if we reply to email sent to this address, we realized that it was actually made public. However we didn't realized at the moment that it could lead to the hack of our email account and we just hide our email address on our profile.

We feel so bad, destroyed, we will do our best to sent back all donations with our own funds and funds of the coin ICO, however it will take time for some of you.


Regarding Azulik's future, we need to have a break from the project and step back as we feel really ashamed toward our donators. We know the best way to restore confidence is to continue the work on the project but we currently lost the willingness to work on it. We don't feel strong enough at the moment to support all the pressure and fight against the scam accusation. We will finish the work on this project, not immediately. At the moment we won't enjoy working on it.  Furthermore we will have to change the name, and redo many things to make a clean start. After that,  we will launch a proper ICO distribution and we will have the opportunity to gift our current donators with free coin, once everything is ready and hopefully forget this nightmare.

We don't ask you to believe us and we understand your doubts, we would feel the same, we will do everything we can to fix it.