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August 22, 2013, 07:41:42 PM
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ButterflyLabs buying ads on Facebook....    Instead of buying parts to finish the current backlogs....
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August 22, 2013, 08:28:56 PM
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Yes, this definitely looks like it will be more of the same.  Roll Eyes

We will try to get them out as fast as we can, but we had a fair amount of orders almost immediately.


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I'm on a good track now, trying to put the past behind me.

I will try to not stick it up BFL's ass 20 times a day.

This timeline in not written in stone. Unforeseen shit happens in life beyond my control, so please, please, please don't be disappointed if I pen only 15 posts. I promise "Honest Abe" to make it up my penning 50 posts, for the math works out the same--a few at 15 plus the same few at 50, divided by the number of fews equals 20.

Ironically, that motherfuckin' j03h (see what I did there?) has the balls to present another timeline, forgetting (maybe not) that the last timeline he presented this past January went to the wayside.

According my estimates, over 1100 orders were placed with BFL since Saturday morning. I wonder how many of those are for the Monarch that will have the bullet run chips.

Sneeky motherfuckin' bastards, they are. Leak a new page on their website sans an official announcement, have the naysayers speak the loudest for the past 2-3 days, and receive $5M+ into their coffers, meanwhile I can't find a barn within 20 miles from my house to steal wood from.

Madness!
THIS is fucking funny
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August 22, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
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ButterflyLabs buying ads on Facebook....    Instead of buying parts to finish the current backlogs....

Parts don't bring in more money.
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August 22, 2013, 08:40:19 PM
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ButterflyLabs buying ads on Facebook....    Instead of buying parts to finish the current backlogs....

Parts don't bring in more money.

^This. BFL is not selling mining equipment. They are selling promises of mining equipment. They want to maximize promises sold, and minimize equipment delivered.

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August 22, 2013, 08:52:03 PM
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ButterflyLabs buying ads on Facebook....    Instead of buying parts to finish the current backlogs....

Parts don't bring in more money.

Bingo.

^This. BFL is not selling mining equipment. They are selling promises of mining equipment. They want to maximize promises sold, and minimize equipment delivered.

Yes. Well... They aren't trying to literally minimize deliveries. Deliveries are just... completely irrelevant.

So long as the lack of deliveries or so called "progress" doesn't adversely affect their sales metrics.

Product and delivery remain simply an afterthought.
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August 22, 2013, 09:11:28 PM
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ButterflyLabs buying ads on Facebook....    Instead of buying parts to finish the current backlogs....

Parts don't bring in more money.

^This. BFL is not selling mining equipment. They are selling promises of mining equipment. They want to maximize promises sold, and minimize equipment delivered.
I think what they are doing is milking people that have access to lots of money, in order to be able to afford the Monarch cards in the first place. Most of these people would not need to mine BTC, they would be better off simply investing in crypto coins with their funds. All these 28nm ASIC promises involve tying up funds for several months. You can earn several percent per week trading crypto which is instant ROI.
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August 22, 2013, 10:14:42 PM
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What a long topic

I lose my eyes reading it on Iphone on holliday nights.
(But I'm french, we used to read threads at night)

I have requested a refund to office@butterflylabs.com for a noob pre-order 05/30/2013

I was aware of risks to not ROI and thought that would support the network. I now think the network doesn't need a 7 gh/s support Wink

So late order, upgraded, I will let you know if BFL refund me.

If yes, will use the money to buy sauce with BBQcoins.
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August 22, 2013, 10:18:18 PM
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(But I'm french, we used to read threads at night)

I have requested a refund to office@butterflylabs.com for a noob pre-order 05/30/2013

French, and yet you use backwards US date format???

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August 22, 2013, 10:45:09 PM
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(But I'm french, we used to read threads at night)

I have requested a refund to office@butterflylabs.com for a noob pre-order 05/30/2013

French, and yet you use backwards US date format???

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How is that backwards? What Makes it backwards? Im living (shutup i dont live near any bilingual french or pure french people) Canada and my date & time format was auto set to 08/22/2013 when under region and language, I chose US (because i didnt want any bilingual crap)

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August 23, 2013, 01:15:42 AM
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 Shocked Someone please, help Josh! Cheesy

They are beating him senseless with logic and funny comments on the refund matter!

Socks and shills, unite under one banner of Bullshit and shout down any sense of logic. Defend the motherland!

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy-10.html

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August 23, 2013, 01:40:44 AM
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think what they are doing is milking people that have access to lots of money, in order to be able to afford the Monarch cards in the first place. Most of these people would not need to mine BTC, they would be better off simply investing in crypto coins with their funds. All these 28nm ASIC promises involve tying up funds for several months. You can earn several percent per week trading crypto which is instant ROI.

That's what they're all doing. Asicminer and their little USB keys that'll never break even, knc with their promises that, even if true, will only be realized in terms of btc by the very earliest to recieves units. Everyone els at the back of their order queue, will see the same exact thing happen as july2013 jalapeño buyers will see compared to July 2012 buyers. Avalon has their own set of issues.  Of them all, BFL has always been the leader in terms of $ per hash.  Can't think of any other reason for friedcat to have lowered his prices except for the fact that they were horribly uncompetitive with other shipping products....

It's all a game. Miners keep handing all their money to the manufacturers, trying to get A leg up on one another.  Soon they'll realize there's no point. And when the post Mortum is done on btc one day, they'll see that the people that made the lion share of the profits were either early adopters OR manufacturers of mining equipment. For everyone else, it's a costly struggle to tread water.

As for your theory that everyone would be better served just buying coins. That's far from certain. Btc on its own produces nothing. If the price falls, then you're left with less valuable coins, still earning nothing.  And it's far from certain what the price will do. From the benefit of hindsight, it's easy to say that everyone should have piled into bitcoin a year ago. That plan doesn't look so wise if you move the starting timeframe to 5 or 6 mo ths ago, though. And really, looking into the future, it's a grand unknown.  Lots of people would like btc to be worth a lot more, but there's also lots of people that would like their gold to be worth more or their Microsoft and apple shares to be worth more. But you don't know. Btc could post another fantastic year, print could post another 60 or 80% slump, at which point yes, buying miners doesn't look so great either, but certainly would come out ahead of coin holders given enough time...
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August 23, 2013, 01:51:57 AM
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quote BFL

"Now, when we are committing resources to manufacture equipment in large volume and to do that we need to have a fairly accurate count of the parts we need. "   BFL

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy-11.html#post53824

"But you are ok for people to pay you to upgrade and cancel their Single orders? How does that work?"

" Originally Posted by BFL_Josh 

"People have had months and months to get a refund. At some point that had to stop. We are not a hedge for your bitcoin investment ; that is what the people asking for refunds now are using it as. We have been up front with our policy from day 1. To complain about it now is utterly ludicrous.
a very self serving and offensive twisting to the situation dont you think?
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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy-10.html#post53229

"we have heard for months that orders will be sent out in "two months". at some point we have to stop thinking this will be true. we are not a hedge for you unknown time schedual, that is why you are refusing refunds. we have been upfront with our expectations from the beginning, two months delivery ... to complain about our EXPECATIONS THAT YOU SPEAK TRUTH, while expending efforts on even more pre-orders for new products, is ludicrous.

I will continue to send cancelation emails and attempt to contact you by phone this week. if you continue to ignore me and refuse to refund my money I will be left no choice but to let others decide if your actions are acceptable. the folks i send a packet copies to will include FAR MORE than the ftc and will include consumer protection departments in all states, including your banks, atty generals investigating bitcoin activities, just to name a few ..... you will be judged ....

much of my career has been at startups. i know EXACTLY what it is like to have a fire under my ass when scheduals are missed. i also know how to handle customers in such cases, and your continued arrogance is totally unacceptable!"


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August 23, 2013, 07:33:53 AM
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(But I'm french, we used to read threads at night)

I have requested a refund to office@butterflylabs.com for a noob pre-order 05/30/2013

French, and yet you use backwards US date format???

Will

Yes, see, I'm a good boy, I even try to speak english.

You know, it's possible to be french and know US formats.

I should have said:

"Putain, ces rats de BFL me gavent avec leurs mensonges pouris et leur ton au pire insultant, au mieux paternaliste, et j'essaye donc de me faire rembourser ma commande du 30 mai 2013"

But who will understand this ? Wink
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(But I'm french, we used to read threads at night)

I have requested a refund to office@butterflylabs.com for a noob pre-order 05/30/2013

French, and yet you use backwards US date format???

Will

Yes, see, I'm a good boy, I even try to speak english.

You know, it's possible to be french and know US formats.

I should have said:

"Putain, ces rats de BFL me gavent avec leurs mensonges pouris et leur ton au pire insultant, au mieux paternaliste, et j'essaye donc de me faire rembourser ma commande du 30 mai 2013"

But who will understand this ? Wink

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That let me think I can pass Nasser the "urban french of the streets" test.

You know, the French that Google can't translate well  Grin

Wesh Nasser, bien ou bien ? Je suis sur Paris, tu me passes mon Jalapeno de paluche a paluche ?

Comme ça, je serais ta caution de frenchitude et cesserais mes véléités de remboursement.

Répond moi en Parisien.

If Nasser answers this correctly, you can be sure he is French  Grin

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quote BFL

"Now, when we are committing resources to manufacture equipment in large volume and to do that we need to have a fairly accurate count of the parts we need. "   BFL

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy-11.html#post53824

"But you are ok for people to pay you to upgrade and cancel their Single orders? How does that work?"

" Originally Posted by BFL_Josh 

"People have had months and months to get a refund. At some point that had to stop. We are not a hedge for your bitcoin investment ; that is what the people asking for refunds now are using it as. We have been up front with our policy from day 1. To complain about it now is utterly ludicrous.
a very self serving and offensive twisting to the situation dont you think?
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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy-10.html#post53229

"we have heard for months that orders will be sent out in "two months". at some point we have to stop thinking this will be true. we are not a hedge for you unknown time schedual, that is why you are refusing refunds. we have been upfront with our expectations from the beginning, two months delivery ... to complain about our EXPECATIONS THAT YOU SPEAK TRUTH, while expending efforts on even more pre-orders for new products, is ludicrous.

I will continue to send cancelation emails and attempt to contact you by phone this week. if you continue to ignore me and refuse to refund my money I will be left no choice but to let others decide if your actions are acceptable. the folks i send a packet copies to will include FAR MORE than the ftc and will include consumer protection departments in all states, including your banks, atty generals investigating bitcoin activities, just to name a few ..... you will be judged ....

much of my career has been at startups. i know EXACTLY what it is like to have a fire under my ass when scheduals are missed. i also know how to handle customers in such cases, and your continued arrogance is totally unacceptable!"



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August 23, 2013, 11:50:03 AM
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(But I'm french, we used to read threads at night)

I have requested a refund to office@butterflylabs.com for a noob pre-order 05/30/2013

French, and yet you use backwards US date format???

Will

Yes, see, I'm a good boy, I even try to speak english.

You know, it's possible to be french and know US formats.

I should have said:

"Putain, ces rats de BFL me gavent avec leurs mensonges pouris et leur ton au pire insultant, au mieux paternaliste, et j'essaye donc de me faire rembourser ma commande du 30 mai 2013"

But who will understand this ? Wink

Je préfère:

"Caliss d'enfoiré de marde qui me font chier avec leur osti de mensonges du tabarnak et leur responsable des relations publiques au mieux attardés au pire un criss d'osti de ciboire de tabarnak d'épais du caliss pis y vont me rembourser les osti de tabarnak de caliss de saint ciboire."
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Funny, but saying only the word tabarnak is a big fail for france localization test  Grin

I don't even understand "caliss, criss or ciboire". So I think I failed Quebec localization test.

If i finish receving my Jalapeno, I would have to create a new sha-2 UBC (useless butterfly coin)
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Funny, but saying only the word tabarnak is a big fail for france localization test  Grin

I don't even understand "caliss". So I think I failed Quebec localization test.

If i finish receving my Jalapeno, I would have to create a new sha-2 UBC (useless butterfly coin)
haha caliss (calice) is religious word related swearing like tabarnak (tabernacle).
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