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August 26, 2013, 01:32:12 AM

150TH of avalon chips = speculation. 
Um, no. That is from the spreadsheet of orders that Avalon released. Plus some math to multiply the hash rate of each chip times the number of chips. Is that where you got lost? The math?

Maybe that's what BitFury is using and you're doubling up
Bitfury designed their own chip. Not surprised you don't have any clue about who they since:
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Yes, really. You should try google. It is pretty cool. Everyone from MIT is using it.
"Batch three have completely left our hands, may DHL be swift in their deliveries." - http://www.avalon-asics.com/ reported on Aug 9th. They had been shipping for a couple of weeks prior to that based on reports from the field.

5 days ago, BitFury was at 40TH, today 90TH.  50TH in 5 days!!!!!  Hot damn, that's freaking amazing!  90% of network increase from 1 company in 5 days!
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That is what companies who can properly outsource board production are capable of. So they set up 80 fully populated back-planes in 5 days. That is 16 per day. 2 guys could do that easy. Take board out of box, plug into backplane. Rinse-repeat, once populated plug into network. Turn on power switch.

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August 26, 2013, 01:41:19 AM

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Still waiting on that breakdown from http://bfl.ptz.ro/ that you claim to be so smart in doing.  I care not for your continued BS.

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August 26, 2013, 02:23:52 AM

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Still waiting on that breakdown from http://bfl.ptz.ro/ that you claim to be so smart in doing.  I care not for your continued BS.

Oh. I figured the math was so trivial that someone who attended MIT could do it in their head.
If you were waiting on it, you should have mentioned this.

You said BFL had 70,000 orders and that they had shipped less than 5%. Given the current bitcoin network hash rate of 500 TH/s, plus the other ASIC vendors, and your estimate of a 7PH/s orderbook, BFL could not have shipped more than 5% of that order book unless they shipped over 350TH/s of product.

You said that on average, each BFL order is for 100GH/s. Thus 70,000 orders, each for 100GH/s.

There was a total of 7668 devices in that table (http://bfl.ptz.ro/) for 4951 orders. This is an average of 1.548 devices per order.

1.548 x 70,000 is 108,400 devices total according to the distribution of http://bfl.ptz.ro/.

5% of that order book is 5,420 devices.

If we subtract that from 108,400 we get 102,980 devices left in the backlog.

102,980 is more than 100,000, thus 100,000+ devices would be accurate.

At 300 units per day, BFL would need 344 days to ship that many units. September 30th is only 35 days away.

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August 26, 2013, 02:36:49 AM

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Still waiting on that breakdown from http://bfl.ptz.ro/ that you claim to be so smart in doing.  I care not for your continued BS.

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I used that spreadsheet to show they likely had shipped 165TH and you still have a hardon for 7ph. Sad.

I estimated they had shipped ~8000 jalapenos, ~1600 LS, ~500 Singles and ~77 Minis and you say 5420 devices.

Since you can only post misquoted trash you obviously cannot perofrm a simple calculation.

Still waiting.

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August 26, 2013, 02:45:27 AM

Here is the break down of the http://bfl.ptz.ro/ data into total devices in a 7PH/s orderbook.

You said BFL had 70,000 orders and that they had shipped less than 5%. Given the current bitcoin network hash rate of 500 TH/s, plus the other ASIC vendors, and your estimate of a 7PH/s orderbook, BFL could not have shipped more than 5% of that order book unless they shipped over 350TH/s of product.

You said that on average, each BFL order is for 100GH/s. Thus 70,000 orders, each for 100GH/s.

There was a total of 7668 devices in that table (http://bfl.ptz.ro/) for 4951 orders. This is an average of 1.548 devices per order.

1.548 x 70,000 is 108,400 devices total according to the distribution of http://bfl.ptz.ro/.

5% of that order book is 5,420 devices.

If we subtract that from 108,400 we get 102,980 devices left in the backlog.

102,980 is more than 100,000, thus 100,000+ devices would be accurate.

At 300 units per day, BFL would need 344 days to ship that many units. September 30th is only 35 days away.

I see that you cannot even read the math I provided. Nor can you repeat it in your posts because it proves you wrong.

Here is your original post on the subject:
BFL: 7PH and rising.

Got a link or breakdown.
1) Has anyone compiled a guestimate of the amount of pre-orders.
2) I did a breakdown in a previous thread I cannot find ATM.  Worked out to an average .1TH per BFL order and ~70k orders using the ~4900 known orders.
3) Refunds were not taken into account due to lack of information.
4) Monarchs were considered the "and rising"

That sounds like 7PH/s and rising from you.
The 70,000 orders from "4900 known orders" is the http://bfl.ptz.ro/ spreadsheet.

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August 26, 2013, 03:06:17 AM

Crazy...some people paying $50,000 for the 500GH/s massive miners and then this immediately after they ship out like 10 of them. What a slap in the face.

BFL 60 GH MINER: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281313.new#new
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August 26, 2013, 03:22:46 AM

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Maybe we can get the needle to stop skipping on this record and move along.

Still waiting.

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August 26, 2013, 03:34:21 AM

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Maybe we can get the needle to stop skipping on this record and move along.

Still waiting.

You asked for a breakdown of the 100,000 devices. I gave it to you.
Stop asking. You have it already.
If you don't understand the math, have someone explain it to you.

You said BFL had 70,000 orders and that they had shipped less than 5%. Given the current bitcoin network hash rate of 500 TH/s, plus the other ASIC vendors, and your estimate of a 7PH/s orderbook, BFL could not have shipped more than 5% of that order book unless they shipped over 350TH/s of product.

You said that on average, each BFL order is for 100GH/s. Thus 70,000 orders, each for 100GH/s.

There was a total of 7668 devices in that table (http://bfl.ptz.ro/) for 4951 orders. This is an average of 1.548 devices per order.

1.548 x 70,000 is 108,400 devices total according to the distribution of http://bfl.ptz.ro/.

5% of that order book is 5,420 devices.

If we subtract that from 108,400 we get 102,980 devices left in the backlog.

102,980 is more than 100,000, thus 100,000+ devices would be accurate.

At 300 units per day, BFL would need 344 days to ship that many units. September 30th is only 35 days away.

The fact that you cannot reply to the basic math I have posted (it proves your 2 assertions to be incompatible) demonstrates that you are just a shill without substance. Either declare what about that math does not add up, or we can assume it is proof that your positions are not internally consistent. We will also have more proof that since you cannot respond to addition, subtraction and multiplication that it is highly unlikely you ever attended MIT as you claimed.

Since your posts are now entirely devoid of content I have to attach the following:
If you have ordered from ButterFly Labs and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules).
First ask ButterFly Labs for a refund, they will probably say no but you might get lucky.
If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. Multiple customers have already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days.
If you ordered via Bitcoin or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC at  http://www.ftc.gov/complaint and they will advocate for you with ButterFly Labs to get your refund. You can also contact the office of the Kansas Attorney General and inform them that you have had your money taken with no product delivered for months, just more promises.
You can also do a paper filing with the DA here: http://da.jocogov.org/complaint-forms

There are also several threads on how to get a refund from ButterFly Labs, here are two:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272585.0

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August 26, 2013, 03:35:43 AM

Crazy...some people paying $50,000 for the 500GH/s massive miners and then this immediately after they ship out like 10 of them. What a slap in the face.
the 500GH/s miner was a flop, it was meant to be a 1,500GH/s miner, but BFL screwed the power consumption calculations, so the 500GH/s was a hack job to still honor their commitment for a certain number of GH/s at a given price.  It wouldn't surprise me if the reason BFL were shipping the 500GH/s units so slowly was they wanted to replace them with a less power hungry chip for months now, but weren't ready to announce 28nm product.



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August 26, 2013, 03:52:47 AM

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Maybe we can get the needle to stop skipping on this record and move along.

Still waiting.

You asked for a breakdown of the 100,000 devices. I gave it to you.
Stop asking. You have it already.
If you don't understand the math, have someone explain it to you.

There are only 7668 known devices.  You said that extrapolating out to the 70k orders was bad math, now you are using bad math and repeating it back at me.  You cannot have it both ways. If it was bad for me, it is bad for you and therefore incorrect.

You are using estimates *I* made and claiming them as your own instead of figuring your own, can you not make a guestimate yourself or must you continue to rely on others work?

You are unable to think for yourself, cause you only know how to cut and paste, therefore I disavow your conclusions.

Still Waiting.

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August 26, 2013, 04:14:34 AM

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Maybe we can get the needle to stop skipping on this record and move along.

Still waiting.

You asked for a breakdown of the 100,000 devices. I gave it to you.
Stop asking. You have it already.
If you don't understand the math, have someone explain it to you.

There are only 7668 known devices.  You said that extrapolating out to the 70k orders was bad math, now you are using bad math and repeating it back at me.  You cannot have it both ways. If it was bad for me, it is bad for you and therefore incorrect.
Ah, you finally respond to what I posted. Glad you admitted that you estimated 70,000 orders, we can stop arguing about that.
Well, is it bad math or not? My point was that the math was not consistent with your other claims. Since it is your math I am posting, I would like to know. Is BFL able to ship 100,000 devices in 35 days, or is your math wrong in your "guesstimate".

You are using estimates *I* made and claiming them as your own instead of figuring your own, can you not make a guestimate yourself or must you continue to rely on others work?
Glad you are finally putting your name to the 7PH/s again.
I said they were YOUR guesstimates. I even linked to your original posting of them. Several times in fact.
Maybe if you read what I wrote, you might not come off as so ignorant. Perhaps skimming them before you delete them might be a good start.

You are unable to think for yourself, cause you only know how to cut and paste, therefore I disavow your conclusions.
Still Waiting.
I have done nothing but post your positions next to each other. You are disavowing yourself. Which is good, because you were wrong somewhere.
BFL cannot have a 100,000 device backlog like your "guesstimate" suggests AND ship all of them by Sept. 30th.

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August 26, 2013, 04:42:53 AM

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Ah, you finally respond to what I posted. Glad you admitted that you estimated 70,000 orders, we can stop arguing about that.
Well, is it bad math or not? My point was that the math was not consistent with your other claims. Since it is your math I am posting, I would like to know. Is BFL able to ship 100,000 devices in 35 days, or is your math wrong in your "guesstimate".
You called it bad math, you then used it. You decide.

Typical.  Childish games and nothing more.  Pat yourself on the back.

1) your backlog is not my preorder, so your question is moot.
2) Forest... trees...

You still have not provided me with your estimate of how much network hash BFL has added to the network using the http://bfl.ptz.ro/ site as I did.

To remind you, I said ~8000 Jalapeno, ~1600 LS, ~500 singles and ~77 Mini's.  My estimated Network hash = 165TH

Now I am sure you will simply continue your childish game of GOTCHA!  So I really don't expect an answer.

Plus, I doubt you could perform the calculations anyway.

Cheers.

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Ah, you finally respond to what I posted. Glad you admitted that you estimated 70,000 orders, we can stop arguing about that.
Well, is it bad math or not? My point was that the math was not consistent with your other claims. Since it is your math I am posting, I would like to know. Is BFL able to ship 100,000 devices in 35 days, or is your math wrong in your "guesstimate".
You called it bad math, you then used it. You decide.
I used your math to demonstrate that it was not consistent with your other claims about BFL being able to ship. Therefore, one of your claims must be wrong. It upset you so much that you refused to even discuss it and deleted it from your posts. Now you can either pick: a) 7 PH/s orderbook, or b) backlog cleared by Sept. 30th. If you want to pick both, then you need to explain how BFL can ship 100,000 units by Sept. 30th.

Typical.  Childish games and nothing more.  Pat yourself on the back.
No, I was simply posting 2 things you said and demonstrating that they are incompatible. You STILL haven't explained how BFL can ship 100,000 devices by september 30th.

1) your backlog is not my preorder, so your question is moot.
2) Forest... trees...
You referred to it in a thread about BFL shipping backlogs. You called them orders and orderlog. You asked for the definition of backlog. Everyone was talking about backlogs. You already admitted that you guesstimated 7PH/s.

You still have not provided me with your estimate of how much network hash BFL has added to the network using the http://bfl.ptz.ro/ site as I did.

To remind you, I said ~8000 Jalapeno, ~1600 LS, ~500 singles and ~77 Mini's.  My estimated Network hash = 165TH

Now I am sure you will simply continue your childish game of GOTCHA!  So I really don't expect an answer.

Plus, I doubt you could perform the calculations anyway.

Cheers.
Here is your claim again so you can't pretend otherwise:
BFL: 7PH and rising.

Got a link or breakdown.
1) Has anyone compiled a guestimate of the amount of pre-orders.
2) I did a breakdown in a previous thread I cannot find ATM.  Worked out to an average .1TH per BFL order and ~70k orders using the ~4900 known orders.
3) Refunds were not taken into account due to lack of information.
4) Monarchs were considered the "and rising"

Why would I provide more math, when you cannot agree to simple addition and subtraction. Either drop the claim that BFL can ship their backlog by Sept 30th, or point out the flaw in the math (it is your math after all), or if there are 100,000 devices in the backlog explain how BFL can ship them by Sept. 30th.

If your math is correct, why won't you defend it and why do I need to supply any new estimates? If your math is incorrect, why won't you admit to it?

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August 26, 2013, 05:03:11 AM

This whole discussion is stupid.  Anyone who thinks that this "Monarch" is anything but a scam is a fool and deserves to be parted with their cash. Even if they delivered "on-time", by February, it is a negative ROI anyway.  And that is the best case scenario.  If idiots want to go give their money to scammers, let them go ahead. Fools and their money are soon parted anyway.
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I'm not sure I can take any more of this inane back-and-forth.

This entire thread has become a



Are you implying that there was a point where the thread was not composed entirely of shit?
Did you not read the title?  Grin

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August 26, 2013, 05:26:43 AM

Now who's half of the argument is less informative or more annoying, Seems like bcp19 wins on both of those.
Please shut up

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