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[TheQuin]

What's the formula for calculate rewards or minimum free roll payout?

Is there a way to view "how close to normal payout status"?

I didn't understand anything with my personal stats. Without $50 balance, what must I do for eligible all rewards and uncutted payouts?

Here is all the information we can make public.

I've got a few more details about the reduced awards algorithm I can share with you.


The algorithm for reducing rewards takes a combination of the balance, wager, lottery and jackpot spending to calculate the reward. Jackpot spending has a higher weight (4x) and the lottery has the highest weight (20x).

If you do not want to gamble you can keep a balance above $50 to not have reduced rewards.

Most users will not need to keep the full balance though because their gambling history is also added up to calculate.

New accounts have full rewards for the first 100 rolls to help them build up a history and then the algorithm is applied to them. So opening a new account might seem like it helps but it won't.

Additionally, the balance needed to have no captcha is $100.

you have to be profitable to them, lose your money, they're greedy.

You missed the most important differentiator for a gambling business. Anyone who bets gives us a CHANCE to be profitable.

Running a profitable business is not greed. Running botnets to try and bleed that business dry at the expense of genuine faucet user is greed.

[solosss]

What's the formula for calculate rewards or minimum free roll payout?

Is there a way to view "how close to normal payout status"?

I didn't understand anything with my personal stats. Without $50 balance, what must I do for eligible all rewards and uncutted payouts?

Here is all the information we can make public.

I've got a few more details about the reduced awards algorithm I can share with you.


The algorithm for reducing rewards takes a combination of the balance, wager, lottery and jackpot spending to calculate the reward. Jackpot spending has a higher weight (4x) and the lottery has the highest weight (20x).

If you do not want to gamble you can keep a balance above $50 to not have reduced rewards.

Most users will not need to keep the full balance though because their gambling history is also added up to calculate.

New accounts have full rewards for the first 100 rolls to help them build up a history and then the algorithm is applied to them. So opening a new account might seem like it helps but it won't.

Additionally, the balance needed to have no captcha is $100.

you have to be profitable to them, lose your money, they're greedy.

You missed the most important differentiator for a gambling business. Anyone who bets gives us a CHANCE to be profitable.

Running a profitable business is not greed. Running botnets to try and bleed that business dry at the expense of genuine faucet user is greed.

you give bitcoins - I collect them, it is greed?
forcing people to lose to you in the casino or Deposit into an account, while reducing their costs to a minimum - that's greed

[TheQuin]

you give bitcoins - I collect them, it is greed?

Doing it with more than one account is greed.

forcing people to lose to you in the casino or Deposit into an account, while reducing their costs to a minimum - that's greed

We don't force anyone to do anything. You have forced us to make some changes that mean only people doing certain things get the full benefits. If you and those like you were not so greedy and only used one account we could be more generous to those who are not greedy like you.

[TriumphB]

Thanks for the information and I have one last question

Here is the text at my freeroll page:

Play MULTIPLY BTC or buy lottery tickets to increase your FREE BTC rewards by up to +0.00000399 BTC

4.3180% achieved towards the next +0.00000021 BTC bonus!


What should this number (4.3180%) be for normal payouts, also what should be for max reward (0.00000399 BTC)?

[TheQuin]

That means you are 4.3180% of the way to the first 100%. Then you will get 42 sats and start working towards the next 100% to go to 63 sats.... do that 19 times and get to 399 sats.

[solosss]

you give bitcoins - I collect them, it is greed?

Doing it with more than one account is greed.

forcing people to lose to you in the casino or Deposit into an account, while reducing their costs to a minimum - that's greed

We don't force anyone to do anything. You have forced us to make some changes that mean only people doing certain things get the full benefits. If you and those like you were not so greedy and only used one account we could be more generous to those who are not greedy like you.

judging by your logic, it's enough for me to Deposit$ 50 into all my accounts and I automatically become a good and conscientious user? can I continue to collect bitcoins like all real users?

you don't reveal the formula for combing bots, not because bots can use it, but because you're ashamed to admit your own greed. admit in is that you need only those users which lose you have money.
I understand you perfectly, but it's not a bot fight - it's greed.

[Thirdspace]

I'm not sure yet, a couple of other people have reported the same problem. I've sent the details on to wetsuit and as soon as he gives me an update I'll let everyone know.

everything is clear and without wetsuit, those who do not play reduced the minimum payment, now also removed the ability to activate bonuses 1000% and 500% as well as the activation of the reward point + 100 and + 50

you think wrong, they not only cut the payout, they cut the points. and this will reduce earnings by 80%

I think wetsuit has done this a year ago for a short time because some users (bots) abuse them to game the system
just like before, I'm pretty sure he will turn it on again when the abusers settled down
is this time global switch off (like before) or selective users only?

you can't distinguish bots from real users, why do you think there are so many bots?

if the bonuses were made unavailable only for some users, then I would say wetsuit has done good job identifying those bots
as I remember, a few users complained about their base hourly rewards and requested to get it normalized
wetsuit did fix some legitimate users back to normal rewards and whitelisted them

[solosss]

That means you are 4.3180% of the way to the first 100%. Then you will get 42 sats and start working towards the next 100% to go to 63 sats.... do that 19 times and get to 399 sats.

my bots know how to play, they can play certain strategies, they can buy tickets and everything else)) tell me how much and they will do it))
without your hints, they will still receive the necessary information)
just really like to get it from official sources

[TheQuin]

if the bonuses were made unavailable only for some users, then I would say wetsuit has done good job identifying those bots
as I remember, a few users complained about their base hourly rewards and requested to get it normalized
wetsuit did fix some legitimate users back to normal rewards and whitelisted them

He's done a good job at recognising what they are doing in maxing out the RP bonus and then using the RP BTC bonus to make themselves profitable. There are also genuine users that do the same thing so they get hurt by the actions of the botnet operators.

It is a constant battle that has been going on for nearly 5 years now. Every time we do something to stop them they adjust and we have to come up with another measure. So nothing is permanent.

you don't reveal the formula for combing bots, not because bots can use it, but because you're ashamed to admit your own greed. admit in is that you need only those users which lose you have money.
I understand you perfectly, but it's not a bot fight - it's greed.

All gambling sites need some customers to lose money, others win, and the house pays its costs and makes a profit on the difference. That is not greed it is how gambling works.

Botnets leaching off it increases the costs. The people who suffer are the genuine users who just want to use the faucet. That is entirely caused by the greed of the botnet operators.

my bots know how to play, they can play certain strategies, they can buy tickets and everything else)) tell me how much and they will do it))
without your hints, they will still receive the necessary information)
just really like to get it from official sources

We are well aware of that. That's why we constantly monitor you and adjust things to remain profitable.

[solosss]

if the bonuses were made unavailable only for some users, then I would say wetsuit has done good job identifying those bots
as I remember, a few users complained about their base hourly rewards and requested to get it normalized
wetsuit did fix some legitimate users back to normal rewards and whitelisted them

He's done a good job at recognising what they are doing in maxing out the RP bonus and then using the RP BTC bonus to make themselves profitable. There are also genuine users that do the same thing so they get hurt by the actions of the botnet operators.

It is a constant battle that has been going on for nearly 5 years now. Every time we do something to stop them they adjust and we have to come up with another measure. So nothing is permanent.

you don't reveal the formula for combing bots, not because bots can use it, but because you're ashamed to admit your own greed. admit in is that you need only those users which lose you have money.
I understand you perfectly, but it's not a bot fight - it's greed.

All gambling sites need some customers to lose money, others win, and the house pays its costs and makes a profit on the difference. That is not greed it is how gambling works.

Botnets leaching off it increases the costs. The people who suffer are the genuine users who just want to use the faucet. That is entirely caused by the greed of the botnet operators.

my bots know how to play, they can play certain strategies, they can buy tickets and everything else)) tell me how much and they will do it))
without your hints, they will still receive the necessary information)
just really like to get it from official sources

We are well aware of that. That's why we constantly monitor you and adjust things to remain profitable.

if you are a gambling site, you need to also position yourself as a casino, if you are positing as a faucet, you need to be prepared that people will take what you give them. rather than crying that botnets are killing your business

why sacrifice real users if you can improve your protection from bots, there is a lot of software support that can help in this.
but you do not do it? it is advantageous for you to kill all those who do not bring you profit.

[TheQuin]

if you are a gambling site, you need to also position yourself as a casino, if you are positing as a faucet, you need to be prepared that people will take what you give them. rather than crying that botnets are killing your business

We have always been both of those things. In all the time we have been around this is the first time I can remember a botnet operator so upset they came here to cry in public. We must have done something right, thanks for making my day.

[solosss]

if you are a gambling site, you need to also position yourself as a casino, if you are positing as a faucet, you need to be prepared that people will take what you give them. rather than crying that botnets are killing your business

We have always been both of those things. In all the time we have been around this is the first time I can remember a botnet operator so upset they came here to cry in public. We must have done something right, thanks for making my day.

I'm not upset, it's still profitable for me to work on your site, my bots can always be adapted for any type of protection. from this only you lose, fewer real users will come to your site, and my bots will continue to rob your balance
thank you for the fact that with such ease I can collect BTC

[TheQuin]

I'm not upset,

He doth protest too much. With the amount of time you've spent crying your eyes out here, it is impossible to believe that. 

[Dav7]

if you are a gambling site, you need to also position yourself as a casino, if you are positing as a faucet, you need to be prepared that people will take what you give them. rather than crying that botnets are killing your business

We have always been both of those things. In all the time we have been around this is the first time I can remember a botnet operator so upset they came here to cry in public. We must have done something right, thanks for making my day.

 

If he keeps saying it is still profitable, why all this crying around here right? 

[TheQuin]

If he keeps saying it is still profitable, why all this crying around here right? 

I don't think he's the sharpest knife in the kitchen drawer as they say in my part of the world.

[solosss]

I'm not upset,

He doth protest too much. With the amount of time you've spent crying your eyes out here, it is impossible to believe that. 

yes, thanks to you I have to spend several days at the computer to increase my botnet network several times)
but I'm not upset, I already wrote that it's still profitable to work with you

[TheQuin]

I'm not upset,

He doth protest too much. With the amount of time you've spent crying your eyes out here, it is impossible to believe that. 

yes, thanks to you I have to spend several days at the computer to increase my botnet network several times)
but I'm not upset, I already wrote that it's still profitable to work with you

I can picture it now.

[TheQuin]

Due to the unpopularity of the change wetsuit has decided to remove the RP redemption restrictions and try and figure out another way of fighting the botnets.

@solosss
You can ask your mummy to dry your tears away and change your nappy now.

[Carter_Howard]

Due to the unpopularity of the change wetsuit has decided to remove the RP redemption restrictions and try and figure out another way of fighting the botnets.

@solosss
You can ask your mummy to dry your tears away and change your nappy now.

TheQuin Write me in private messages, I want to tell you something about bot net.)

[TheQuin]

TheQuin Write me in private messages, I want to tell you something about bot net.)

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